Le visa Waiver Program pour les Etats-Unis pourrait être remis en cause
by Michelzen
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
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le titre annonce la couleur !
"Washington veut imposer des visas à tous les Européens"
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/20070602.FIG000001658_washington_veut_imposer_des_visas_a_tous_les_europeens.html
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
Bonsoir,
Ce sera réciproque ? 🤪
Dans ce cas, très bien.
Michel
Michel
Bonjour
Avant de réagir en masse, lisez l'article. Ce type de visa - électronique - existe déja pour l'Australie, on l'obtient normalement dans l'immédiat avec le billet d'avion. Ca reste même beaucoup plus simple de visiter l'Australie que les US (pas d'histoire de passeport biométrique/électronique, pas de papiers à signer - hormi la déclaration biosanitaire) pourtant...
Apres, en ce qui concerne l'obsession sécuritaire des US... 🤪
Cela existe déjà pour beaucoup de pays.
Ce n'est en fin de compte qu'une fiche supplémentaire à remplir lors de l'achat du billet.
Rapide et gratuit.
Ils ont le droit d'établir les contrôles qui'ils veulent pour éviter autant que possible les risques et l'immmigration non officielle.
Ce qui n'empeche pas les USA d'être un des pays "phares" pour l'immigration avec plus de 1 million de nouveaux immigrants officiels par an. C'est d'ailleurs une source de richesse pour le pays, cra il s'agit presque exclusivement de personnes diplomées et expérimentées.
C'est le choix de l'administration US.
Pour les Visas, beaucoup de pays les exigent encore avec souvent des procédures lourdes et onéreuses, et dans certains cas (achat obligatoire de timbres ou tampons dans les aéroports) c'est une véritable "pompe à fric" qui n'empeche pas l'attente interminable aux contrôles douaniers.
Pour les Visas, beaucoup de pays les exigent encore avec souvent des procédures lourdes et onéreuses, et dans certains cas (achat obligatoire de timbres ou tampons dans les aéroports) c'est une véritable "pompe à fric" qui n'empeche pas l'attente interminable aux contrôles douaniers.
C'est un devoir de bousculer la pensée unique...
Bonjour,
Il y a tout de même un très grand nombre d'immigrés clandestins (11 à 12 millions), surtout dans le sud du pays, qui ne sont pas là pour leurs compétences et leur formation, mais pour travailler à pas cher ; sans parler des maquilladoras de la frontière mexicaine... Ils vont sans doute d'ailleurs être régularisés en masse très prochainement. Ceci dit les Etats-Unis effectivement tirent leur richesse de l'immigration, l'officielle dont tu parles, et dont la moralité est tout de même assez douteuse, la non officielle que j'évoque plus haut également. Mais pour s'en tenir au propos initial, il faut admettre que les obligations de visas pour les européens ont beaucoup diminué en quelques années, que seuls deux pays d'Europe appliquent encore des visas contraignants (je veux dire onéreux et à anticipation nécessaire). Certains pays font le choix de faire payer les touristes potentiellement riches ; c'est le choix de leur administration 😉.
Michel
Il y a tout de même un très grand nombre d'immigrés clandestins (11 à 12 millions), surtout dans le sud du pays, qui ne sont pas là pour leurs compétences et leur formation, mais pour travailler à pas cher ; sans parler des maquilladoras de la frontière mexicaine... Ils vont sans doute d'ailleurs être régularisés en masse très prochainement. Ceci dit les Etats-Unis effectivement tirent leur richesse de l'immigration, l'officielle dont tu parles, et dont la moralité est tout de même assez douteuse, la non officielle que j'évoque plus haut également. Mais pour s'en tenir au propos initial, il faut admettre que les obligations de visas pour les européens ont beaucoup diminué en quelques années, que seuls deux pays d'Europe appliquent encore des visas contraignants (je veux dire onéreux et à anticipation nécessaire). Certains pays font le choix de faire payer les touristes potentiellement riches ; c'est le choix de leur administration 😉.
Michel
Cela existe déjà pour beaucoup de pays.
Ce n'est en fin de compte qu'une fiche supplémentaire à remplir lors de l'achat du billet.
Rapide et gratuit.
C'est un point de vue ... ... par contre l'utilité ??? les listes tirées de "ces fiches" seront parcourues par des robots informatiques visiblement ça ne sert à rien, à chaque fois que l'on découvre un "méchant" il est soit américain soit sur le sol américain depuis longtemps!
Les visas (pris à l'avance) pour de nombreux pays ce n'est que du fichage et "fiscal", des €€€ qui aide à vivre leurs representations diplomatiques
C'est un point de vue ... ... par contre l'utilité ??? les listes tirées de "ces fiches" seront parcourues par des robots informatiques visiblement ça ne sert à rien, à chaque fois que l'on découvre un "méchant" il est soit américain soit sur le sol américain depuis longtemps!
Les visas (pris à l'avance) pour de nombreux pays ce n'est que du fichage et "fiscal", des €€€ qui aide à vivre leurs representations diplomatiques
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
Je sais que vous n'appréciez pas les USA, c'est votre droit.
Je ne parlais que de l'immigration officielle, et je ne vois pas ce qu'il y a de "moralité douteuse" dans le fait de n'accepter que les immigrants qui apportent un "plus" au pays.
Il n'ya pas que des ingénieurs, il suffit de regarder les chauffeurs de taxis à New York!
C'est le choix des USA et cela fonctionne assez bien car c'est le pays qui attire le plus de nouveaux immigrants officiels chaque année.
Pour l'immigration clandestine, c'est un tout autre sujet. Ce sont des systèmes mafieux avec de multiples sources d'enrichissements, que ce soit dans le pays d'origine de l'immigré, lors des passages, et dans le pays de destinations. Là encore les immigrés clandestins qui ont une qualification et un comportement correct arriveront souvent avec le temps à se faire régulariser, y compris aux USA.
Les procédures douanières et d'immigrations (c'est le terme y compris pour les touristes) aux USA se sont beaucoup simplifiées et le passage est en réalité assez rapide (20/30 mn en moyenne).
Et les règles du jeu sont claires, officielles, et sans arnaques.
C'est un devoir de bousculer la pensée unique...
Oui...
Ce que je trouve douteux c'est l'idée de drainer des compétences de pays pauvres pour les mettre au service de son économie ; mais je sais bien qu'il y a aussi beaucoup d'étudiants ; on ne dira jamais assez l'apport des étudiants étrangers dans un pays et une économie - et j'en connais un de pays, qui paie cher de ne pas les attirer 🤪... J'ai quelques doutes sur la clarté, justement, des procédures d'immigration, dans la mesure où elles sont laissées à l'appréciation plutôt arbitraire de fonctionnaires, comme il en était question dans un échange avec Nikki plus bas dans les discussions.
Michel
Ce que je trouve douteux c'est l'idée de drainer des compétences de pays pauvres pour les mettre au service de son économie ; mais je sais bien qu'il y a aussi beaucoup d'étudiants ; on ne dira jamais assez l'apport des étudiants étrangers dans un pays et une économie - et j'en connais un de pays, qui paie cher de ne pas les attirer 🤪... J'ai quelques doutes sur la clarté, justement, des procédures d'immigration, dans la mesure où elles sont laissées à l'appréciation plutôt arbitraire de fonctionnaires, comme il en était question dans un échange avec Nikki plus bas dans les discussions.
Michel
"chaque voyageur devrait remplir un formulaire sur Internet au moment de l'achat de son billet et, sur la foi des informations contenues dans son passeport et sur sa carte de crédit, un ordinateur central vérifierait qu'il ne figure pas sur une liste de suspects."
Et pour les personnes d'un âge respectable ou autre qui ne sont pas familiarisées à l'informatique et qui n'ont a jamais utilisé internet, que font-elles ?
Et pour les personnes d'un âge respectable ou autre qui ne sont pas familiarisées à l'informatique et qui n'ont a jamais utilisé internet, que font-elles ?
"Les relations, c'est comme l'argent, on n'en a jamais assez"
Les informations ne sont pas uniquement disponibles sur internet. Le téléphone, l'agence de voyage...toutes les ressources sont là 😉 Et les personnes âgées qui ne sont pas familières avec l'informatique...n'achètent pas leurs billets d'avion sur le net!
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We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.