je pars mi janvier ( 3 semaines) au maroc, je débarque à marrakech je souhaite aller à FEZ, dans le haut ATLAS ( imilchil, vallée ait bouguemez) puis désert vers M'Hamid, je suis en transport en commun... J'ai trouvé un hotel à marrakeh ( sindi sud) à FEZ j'ai repéré l' hotel kerouan ( ville nouvelle) est il correct? Je me demande comment tourner avec ce programme et circuler notamment au regard de la météo ( meilleurs accès à IMilchil, connexion possible avec la vallée ait bouguemez?) Mon budget est restraint ( chomage sans droits!) Merci de vos conseils et idées.
Voyage au Maroc en janvier-février: visiter le Haut Atlas et utiliser le transport en commun?
by Tophe44
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Bonjour
je pars mi janvier ( 3 semaines) au maroc, je débarque à marrakech je souhaite aller à FEZ, dans le haut ATLAS ( imilchil, vallée ait bouguemez) puis désert vers M'Hamid, je suis en transport en commun... J'ai trouvé un hotel à marrakeh ( sindi sud) à FEZ j'ai repéré l' hotel kerouan ( ville nouvelle) est il correct? Je me demande comment tourner avec ce programme et circuler notamment au regard de la météo ( meilleurs accès à IMilchil, connexion possible avec la vallée ait bouguemez?) Mon budget est restraint ( chomage sans droits!) Merci de vos conseils et idées.
je pars mi janvier ( 3 semaines) au maroc, je débarque à marrakech je souhaite aller à FEZ, dans le haut ATLAS ( imilchil, vallée ait bouguemez) puis désert vers M'Hamid, je suis en transport en commun... J'ai trouvé un hotel à marrakeh ( sindi sud) à FEZ j'ai repéré l' hotel kerouan ( ville nouvelle) est il correct? Je me demande comment tourner avec ce programme et circuler notamment au regard de la météo ( meilleurs accès à IMilchil, connexion possible avec la vallée ait bouguemez?) Mon budget est restraint ( chomage sans droits!) Merci de vos conseils et idées.
Bonjour
l'hotel Kérouan , se situe au centre de la ville , ilest pas mal ,
Cordialement
-
Salut,
n'ayant pas fait un circuit jusqu'au là ma dernière était jusqu'à Ifran et environ, mais voici un lien qui peut vous aider il est interéssant; http://www.toorista.com/groups/sujet-maroc-topo-vtt-dans-latlas-au-maroc-37-35468-p1.html
tiens nous au courant aprés votre voyage de vos impressions et suggestions, nous sommes une association et nous encurageons le tourisme social.
merci
n'ayant pas fait un circuit jusqu'au là ma dernière était jusqu'à Ifran et environ, mais voici un lien qui peut vous aider il est interéssant; http://www.toorista.com/groups/sujet-maroc-topo-vtt-dans-latlas-au-maroc-37-35468-p1.html
tiens nous au courant aprés votre voyage de vos impressions et suggestions, nous sommes une association et nous encurageons le tourisme social.
merci
on ne peut pas plaire à tout le monde
Bonjour,
En 3 semaines , à petit budget et en transports locaux , tu peux faire beaucoup de choses, mais n'oublie pas que mi janvier , même au Maroc , c'est l'hiver , qu'il fait froid, qu'il peut pleuvoir et neiger et que les journées sont encore courtes.
Ait Bougmez , et Imilchil , peuvent ne pas etre accessibles , Fes ça caille et c'est humide.
en tout cas , la connection ait Bougmez Imilchil n'est pas possible en transports publics, piste assez dure.
le désert de Mhamid, ça n'a rien d'un désert !
A Fes, l'hotel Kairouan a l'avantage d'exister, mais je lui préfère son presque voisin, le Royal. ils se trouvent dans la ville nouvelle, à une bonne trotte de la médina, En médina, très routard , l'hotel Cascade , à petit prix, à fuir absolument , la pension Talaa, que certains guides portent pourtant au pinacle !!
A Marrakech, le sindi sud fait partie d'une série d'hotels à petits prix, ce n'est pas obligatoirement le plus sympa, en prix très doux , ma préférence va à l'Immouzer, et un ton au dessus, l'Atlas, le Faouzi, ou l'Essaouira. Fes Marrakech, ça se fait par le train , pourquoi ne pas en profiter pour une visite de Rabat et/ou Casa.
Un conseil , le jour de ton arrivée, tu vas à la gare routière de Bab Doukkala, et tu fais le tour des guichets pour voir les destinations proposées , cela peut te donner plein d'idées. Pour éviter la météo mauvaise probable dans le nord , tu peux facilement aller dans le sud d'Agadir, par exemple, Taroudant , Tafraout, Tiznit, Goulimine, Sidi Ifni, Mirleft, Tantan...
A Fes, l'hotel Kairouan a l'avantage d'exister, mais je lui préfère son presque voisin, le Royal. ils se trouvent dans la ville nouvelle, à une bonne trotte de la médina, En médina, très routard , l'hotel Cascade , à petit prix, à fuir absolument , la pension Talaa, que certains guides portent pourtant au pinacle !!
A Marrakech, le sindi sud fait partie d'une série d'hotels à petits prix, ce n'est pas obligatoirement le plus sympa, en prix très doux , ma préférence va à l'Immouzer, et un ton au dessus, l'Atlas, le Faouzi, ou l'Essaouira. Fes Marrakech, ça se fait par le train , pourquoi ne pas en profiter pour une visite de Rabat et/ou Casa.
Un conseil , le jour de ton arrivée, tu vas à la gare routière de Bab Doukkala, et tu fais le tour des guichets pour voir les destinations proposées , cela peut te donner plein d'idées. Pour éviter la météo mauvaise probable dans le nord , tu peux facilement aller dans le sud d'Agadir, par exemple, Taroudant , Tafraout, Tiznit, Goulimine, Sidi Ifni, Mirleft, Tantan...
Il faudra choisir: le Nord ou le sud...ou alors voler sur Casablanca, car Fez est siuté au Nord de Marrakech. Le Haut Atlas, au Sud de Marrakech, La vallée des Ait Bougmez et lmilchil à l'est, Mhamid très loin au Sud !!!!
Il y a bien des bus qui silonnent le Maroc et ils sont en général très bon marché (vu les distances !). Trois semaines c'est bien, mais il faudra compter avec de longs trajets et si tu veux visiter un peu...celà prend du temps. Imilchil, très froid en hiver (parfois enneigé) est assez isolé sur un haut plateau, Mhamid au bout d'une route qui passe par Ouarzazate et Zagora, très longue et peu intéressante.
Les Aït Boughmez sont une tribu qui vit dans les montagnes au delà de Beni Mellal....
Achète un guide (du routard ou un autre) pour mieux cibler tes centres d'intérêt et choisir un circuit qui te permettra de visiter au mieux une ou l'autre des régions sans te fatiguer et disperser. Le climat est assez rude aussi en hiver dans les régions montagneuses, il y a parfois de la neige et les routes peuvent être difficiles, voire coupée par moments. La rencontre avec les habitants est toujours intéressante, mais il faut du temps..car les marocains sont très hospitaliers mais pas pressés.
Depuis Marrakech il est facile d'aller vers les villages de montagne au pied du Toubkal, traverser le col du Tizi'N'test et aller jusqu'à Taroudant, pouquoi pas vers Essaouira, le bord de mer est plus doux l'hiver, .. ou Tiznit et Tafraoute, très jolie région semi-montagneuse.... Il y a aussi la possibilité de prendre parfois un vol aller sur Casa et retour par Marrakech ou aller sur Marrakech et retour par Agadir, ça permet de ne pas revenir sur ses pas pour le retour.
Bonne recherche.
Achète un guide (du routard ou un autre) pour mieux cibler tes centres d'intérêt et choisir un circuit qui te permettra de visiter au mieux une ou l'autre des régions sans te fatiguer et disperser. Le climat est assez rude aussi en hiver dans les régions montagneuses, il y a parfois de la neige et les routes peuvent être difficiles, voire coupée par moments. La rencontre avec les habitants est toujours intéressante, mais il faut du temps..car les marocains sont très hospitaliers mais pas pressés.
Depuis Marrakech il est facile d'aller vers les villages de montagne au pied du Toubkal, traverser le col du Tizi'N'test et aller jusqu'à Taroudant, pouquoi pas vers Essaouira, le bord de mer est plus doux l'hiver, .. ou Tiznit et Tafraoute, très jolie région semi-montagneuse.... Il y a aussi la possibilité de prendre parfois un vol aller sur Casa et retour par Marrakech ou aller sur Marrakech et retour par Agadir, ça permet de ne pas revenir sur ses pas pour le retour.
Bonne recherche.
Merci à vous Raoulx et Mendouga
J'ai conscience qu'il peut faire très froid en montagne FEZ n'est pas agréable en Hiver? ( mais le détour en vaut la peine?) D'après toi Raoulx le détour pour M'hamid ne vaut pas le coup? lonely planete parle de dunes pourtant ( même pas une petite impression de désert histoire de rêver ?! 😕 Donc si IMILCHIL est trop isolé par la neige mieux faut laisser tomber... Pour aller de Marrakech à FEZ en train il faut passer par RABAT et CASA ? maisje suis pas trop attiré par les grandes agglomérations Concernant la vallée ait boughmez peut on y accéder par demnate? Merci Mendouga de ta suggestion de ne pas trop me disperser et de me proposer le sud OUest ( Tafraoute ...) Sinon quels villages au pied du Toubkal me proserais tu ? Il y a une connection randonnée à pied entre Setti fatma et Imlil ...?
J'ai conscience qu'il peut faire très froid en montagne FEZ n'est pas agréable en Hiver? ( mais le détour en vaut la peine?) D'après toi Raoulx le détour pour M'hamid ne vaut pas le coup? lonely planete parle de dunes pourtant ( même pas une petite impression de désert histoire de rêver ?! 😕 Donc si IMILCHIL est trop isolé par la neige mieux faut laisser tomber... Pour aller de Marrakech à FEZ en train il faut passer par RABAT et CASA ? maisje suis pas trop attiré par les grandes agglomérations Concernant la vallée ait boughmez peut on y accéder par demnate? Merci Mendouga de ta suggestion de ne pas trop me disperser et de me proposer le sud OUest ( Tafraoute ...) Sinon quels villages au pied du Toubkal me proserais tu ? Il y a une connection randonnée à pied entre Setti fatma et Imlil ...?
Bonjour,
Fes , en hiver est quand même visitable, c'est même superbe! mais attention , hotels petits prix non chauffés (les autres non d'ailleurs, plus pour la plupart!), la météo , c'est une loterie, mais on ne gagne pas à tous les coups.
Les grandes agglomérations ??? RAbat est plus petit que Fes , et Marrakech, cette ville mérite au moins une journée de visite. et Casa, encore plus, c'est le seul moyen de comprendre un tout petit peu le Maroc et ne pas le confondre avec un musée ou un zoo, comme certains(es)!
Imilchil, en transport public peut etre difficile, effectivement à zapper.
Ait Bougmez par Demnate, je ne pense pas qu'il y ait des transports publics , surement des camions de souks, mais difficile à maitriser, dès qu'on s'écarte , il n'y a plus de francophone. l'accès par Azilal est plus pratique, attention , pas fréquent , il est préférable d'etre sur Azilal en matinée.
Mhamid pour moi est un plan galère, le lonely planet raconte n'importe quoi , la première dune digne de ce nom est l'erg chigaga à une 1 h de 4x4 de l'arret du bus ou tu seras assailli, par une nuée de rabatteurs, les pires que j'ai croisés au Maroc. et la plupart des bivouacs sont à quelques kms du goudron , dans une foret de tamaris rabougris lègèrement envahie par le sable qu'on vous fait passer pour une dune , il suffit de monter sur le moindre tas pour voir les voitures et la ville.
Setti Fatma à Imlil , oui , il y a un sentier , mais il m'étonnerais qu'il soit praticable en plein hiver, c'est de la vraie montagne. Imlil est une bonne base au pied du toubkal , et la il y a un bureau de guides , et des professionnels qui te diront ce qu'il est possible de faire selon la météo et l'état du terrain.
Fes , en hiver est quand même visitable, c'est même superbe! mais attention , hotels petits prix non chauffés (les autres non d'ailleurs, plus pour la plupart!), la météo , c'est une loterie, mais on ne gagne pas à tous les coups.
Les grandes agglomérations ??? RAbat est plus petit que Fes , et Marrakech, cette ville mérite au moins une journée de visite. et Casa, encore plus, c'est le seul moyen de comprendre un tout petit peu le Maroc et ne pas le confondre avec un musée ou un zoo, comme certains(es)!
Imilchil, en transport public peut etre difficile, effectivement à zapper.
Ait Bougmez par Demnate, je ne pense pas qu'il y ait des transports publics , surement des camions de souks, mais difficile à maitriser, dès qu'on s'écarte , il n'y a plus de francophone. l'accès par Azilal est plus pratique, attention , pas fréquent , il est préférable d'etre sur Azilal en matinée.
Mhamid pour moi est un plan galère, le lonely planet raconte n'importe quoi , la première dune digne de ce nom est l'erg chigaga à une 1 h de 4x4 de l'arret du bus ou tu seras assailli, par une nuée de rabatteurs, les pires que j'ai croisés au Maroc. et la plupart des bivouacs sont à quelques kms du goudron , dans une foret de tamaris rabougris lègèrement envahie par le sable qu'on vous fait passer pour une dune , il suffit de monter sur le moindre tas pour voir les voitures et la ville.
Setti Fatma à Imlil , oui , il y a un sentier , mais il m'étonnerais qu'il soit praticable en plein hiver, c'est de la vraie montagne. Imlil est une bonne base au pied du toubkal , et la il y a un bureau de guides , et des professionnels qui te diront ce qu'il est possible de faire selon la météo et l'état du terrain.
Bonjour,
3 mois après mon retour du Maroc , je vous fait part de mon expérience de mon voyage au Maroc.
Séjour du 17 janvier au 9 février 2010:
Départ nantes arrivée Marrakech taroudant via le tizi n'test tafraoute ( anti atlas) via tiznit vallée Ait bouguemez ( haut atlas) via tiznit, marrakech et Azilal Ouarzazate via Demnate et traversée haut Atlas en bus vallée du Dadès Retour et visite marrakech pour départ.
je vous transmets un lien du diaporama de mon périple:
http://picasaweb.google.fr/zeureux.drilles/MarocJanvierFevrier2010?feat=directlink
3 mois après mon retour du Maroc , je vous fait part de mon expérience de mon voyage au Maroc.
Séjour du 17 janvier au 9 février 2010:
Départ nantes arrivée Marrakech taroudant via le tizi n'test tafraoute ( anti atlas) via tiznit vallée Ait bouguemez ( haut atlas) via tiznit, marrakech et Azilal Ouarzazate via Demnate et traversée haut Atlas en bus vallée du Dadès Retour et visite marrakech pour départ.
je vous transmets un lien du diaporama de mon périple:
http://picasaweb.google.fr/zeureux.drilles/MarocJanvierFevrier2010?feat=directlink
Tres belles photos effectivement.
Merci pour le partage..
Ps: j'ai bien aimé dak le parking pour ânes 😄
Ps: j'ai bien aimé dak le parking pour ânes 😄
Merci raoulx
pour tes conseils que tu m'avais donné avant de partir.
je voudrais faire une spéciale dédicace pour la ligne de bus entre Demnate et ouarzazate inconnue des guides et qui mérite d'être connue puisqu'elle passe par la montagne , est tès peu utilisée ; elle n'existerait qu'à peine depuis 2 ans mais à 2 passagers notre voyage n'était pas rentable.
Une dédicace aussi particulière aux chauffeurs qui vont de marrakech à taroudant via le Tizi N'test car c'est une route difficile et que les chauffeurs conduisent parfois + de 8 heures: chapeau bas.
J'ai effectivement passé beaucoup de journées dans les transports ( 10j/22j) mais je ne regrette pas cette rencontre car c'est dabords en transports collectifs que les marocains voyagent. Le mode des arrêts ( un signe suffit parfois) et le partage des véhicules est à méditer dans notre mode de vie européen.
pour tes conseils que tu m'avais donné avant de partir.
je voudrais faire une spéciale dédicace pour la ligne de bus entre Demnate et ouarzazate inconnue des guides et qui mérite d'être connue puisqu'elle passe par la montagne , est tès peu utilisée ; elle n'existerait qu'à peine depuis 2 ans mais à 2 passagers notre voyage n'était pas rentable.
Une dédicace aussi particulière aux chauffeurs qui vont de marrakech à taroudant via le Tizi N'test car c'est une route difficile et que les chauffeurs conduisent parfois + de 8 heures: chapeau bas.
J'ai effectivement passé beaucoup de journées dans les transports ( 10j/22j) mais je ne regrette pas cette rencontre car c'est dabords en transports collectifs que les marocains voyagent. Le mode des arrêts ( un signe suffit parfois) et le partage des véhicules est à méditer dans notre mode de vie européen.
la ligne de bus entre Demnate et ouarzazate
Qui passe par le R 307 ?
Qui passe par le R 307 ?
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
oui c'est celle là ...
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
Bonjour,
Tu as eu beaucoup de chance, en avril , j'ai fouillé tout Ouarzazate à 2 reprises pour trouver ce bus dont j'était certain de l'éxistence !!!! rien trouvé !!!! personne ne peut dire !!!! gare routière, gare des minibus, gare des pickups ... rien de rien !!
Pareil pour la ligne du Tizi n'test, à Bab Doukkala , je n'ai vu que les bus de nuit. j'ai pris les taxis, il faut dire que je voulais passer au moins 2 nuits à Ijoukak.
Mais une fois de plus... les bus beldi.. quel pied !
Bus Ozz, Er Rachidia, et minibus Tinghir, Imilchil
Tu as eu beaucoup de chance, en avril , j'ai fouillé tout Ouarzazate à 2 reprises pour trouver ce bus dont j'était certain de l'éxistence !!!! rien trouvé !!!! personne ne peut dire !!!! gare routière, gare des minibus, gare des pickups ... rien de rien !!
Pareil pour la ligne du Tizi n'test, à Bab Doukkala , je n'ai vu que les bus de nuit. j'ai pris les taxis, il faut dire que je voulais passer au moins 2 nuits à Ijoukak.
Mais une fois de plus... les bus beldi.. quel pied !
Bus Ozz, Er Rachidia, et minibus Tinghir, Imilchil
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have a good day
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day
Good evening, everyone!
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
Tickets for entry to Majorelle Garden are only issued online via an official site
(though there are fraudulent sites out there). On the official site, they ask for legitimate info
(name, nationality, etc.). What made me go "hmm" was the request for both an email address
AND a password (with confirmation). Is this normal?
Thanks for your replies.
Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!











