Si c'est vraiment trop chargé, je supprimerai kyushu et ajouterai un jour de plus par ville et un passage par Nikko. Nous avons visite yellowstone aux E-U , risquons nous d'être déçu par Beppu? Quand j'aurai vos avis expérimenté sur le parcours, je détaillerai davantage le parcours.
1er circuit 17 jours en famille au Japon
by Titouc
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Ce thème a déjà fait l'objet de nombreuses discussions, mais j'aimerai votre avis sur mon itinéraire. Nous partons fin juin avec nos 2 ados de 16 et 17 ans. Louer une voiture en dehors de tokyo et kyoto sera peut être moins cher que 4 Jr pass et nous donnera plus de liberté.
Nous souhaitons avoir un bon aperçu des grandes villes mais après qq jours, nous avons besoin d'espace et de nature. Nous avons par exemple visiter New York en 3 jours, un de plus aurait été bien mais pas nécessairement plus. Par contre les parcs nationaux americains ne nous ont pas lassé. On souhaite varier les plaisirs visuels (temples, quartiers typiques, balade dans les grands espaces, ...) sans trop courir et donc en acceptant de ne pas tout voir. Nous ne pensons pas retourner au japon une 2 ème fois à court terme car le budget est conséquent et il y tant d'autre régions à découvrir !
J1 à J5 : 5j à tokyo
J6 à J8: 3j ds les alpes japonaises (avec un onsen)
J9 à J12: 4j à kyoto et environ
J13 à J16: 4j kyushu par vol domestique (pour la nature et si possible une demi journée de plage/snorkeling)
J17 retour sur tokyo puis sur bruxelles
Si c'est vraiment trop chargé, je supprimerai kyushu et ajouterai un jour de plus par ville et un passage par Nikko. Nous avons visite yellowstone aux E-U , risquons nous d'être déçu par Beppu? Quand j'aurai vos avis expérimenté sur le parcours, je détaillerai davantage le parcours.
Si c'est vraiment trop chargé, je supprimerai kyushu et ajouterai un jour de plus par ville et un passage par Nikko. Nous avons visite yellowstone aux E-U , risquons nous d'être déçu par Beppu? Quand j'aurai vos avis expérimenté sur le parcours, je détaillerai davantage le parcours.
Bonjour,
Ce thème a déjà fait l'objet de nombreuses discussions, mais j'aimerai votre avis sur mon itinéraire. Nous partons fin juin avec nos 2 ados de 16 et 17 ans. Louer une voiture en dehors de tokyo et kyoto sera peut être moins cher que 4 Jr pass et nous donnera plus de liberté.
Nous souhaitons avoir un bon aperçu des grandes villes mais après qq jours, nous avons besoin d'espace et de nature. Nous avons par exemple visiter New York en 3 jours, un de plus aurait été bien mais pas nécessairement plus. Par contre les parcs nationaux americains ne nous ont pas lassé. On souhaite varier les plaisirs visuels (temples, quartiers typiques, balade dans les grands espaces, ...) sans trop courir et donc en acceptant de ne pas tout voir. Nous ne pensons pas retourner au japon une 2 ème fois à court terme car le budget est conséquent et il y tant d'autre régions à découvrir !
J1 à J5 : 5j à tokyo
J6 à J8: 3j ds les alpes japonaises (avec un onsen)
J9 à J12: 4j à kyoto et environ
J13 à J16: 4j kyushu par vol domestique (pour la nature et si possible une demi journée de plage/snorkeling)
J17 retour sur tokyo puis sur bruxelles
Si c'est vraiment trop chargé, je supprimerai kyushu et ajouterai un jour de plus par ville et un passage par Nikko. Nous avons visite yellowstone aux E-U , risquons nous d'être déçu par Beppu? Quand j'aurai vos avis expérimenté sur le parcours, je détaillerai davantage le parcours.
Hum, par rapport aux parcs US, les "grands espaces" japonais risquent de te paraître serrés ! Kyushu n'est pas particulièrement "plus" nature que le reste du pays, il y a de jolies choses à voir, ça a son charme, mais n'y vas pas en espérant de grands espaces vides de population !
Beppu et Yellowstone ne sont pas du tout comparables à mon avis. Beppu c'est une ville moyenne avec des sources chaudes, Yellowstone est un grand parc naturel.
Si tu veux essayer de découvrir un peu plus de nature, si tu as la voiture, allonge un peu ton séjour entre Tokyo et Kyoto et essaie de te perdre dans les petites routes de montagne. Il y a quelques parcs naturels nationaux entre Tokyo et Kyoto (Hakusan, Chubu, Myoko, Alpes du Sud...).
Si c'est vraiment trop chargé, je supprimerai kyushu et ajouterai un jour de plus par ville et un passage par Nikko. Nous avons visite yellowstone aux E-U , risquons nous d'être déçu par Beppu? Quand j'aurai vos avis expérimenté sur le parcours, je détaillerai davantage le parcours.
Hum, par rapport aux parcs US, les "grands espaces" japonais risquent de te paraître serrés ! Kyushu n'est pas particulièrement "plus" nature que le reste du pays, il y a de jolies choses à voir, ça a son charme, mais n'y vas pas en espérant de grands espaces vides de population !
Beppu et Yellowstone ne sont pas du tout comparables à mon avis. Beppu c'est une ville moyenne avec des sources chaudes, Yellowstone est un grand parc naturel.
Si tu veux essayer de découvrir un peu plus de nature, si tu as la voiture, allonge un peu ton séjour entre Tokyo et Kyoto et essaie de te perdre dans les petites routes de montagne. Il y a quelques parcs naturels nationaux entre Tokyo et Kyoto (Hakusan, Chubu, Myoko, Alpes du Sud...).
Bonjour,
je pense que c'est bien, autant dans les délais que dans endroits visés. Essayez de passer 2 jours pleins à Kyôto et de profiter des deux jours restants pour aller sur le village d'Ohara ou autour du lac Biwa par exemple. Il y a aussi Ôsaka.
Kyûshû est très accessible surtout avec des vols domestiques, on ne met qu'une heure depuis Ôsaka pour aller à Fukuoka par exemple. L'île regorge d'espaces 100% nature mais cela n'a rien à voir avec les parcs nationaux américains. Je ne connais pas ces derniers mais je pense qu'Hokkaido s'y rapprocherait plus. Toutefois pour voir de la nature sur Kyûshû il y a l'embarras du choix : Saga (il n'y a même pas de grandes villes dans cette préfecture), Kumamoto, Miyazaki et Kagoshima sont les meilleurs régions.
Beppu est juste une ville. Pour avoir un côté un peu plus sauvage il faut plutôt aller du côté de Yufuin (village avec randos), ou vers le Mont Aso. A voir si il sera ré-ouvert d'ici là (le cratère est fermé depuis plus d'un an).
Fin-juin sera pile pendant la saison des pluies, à moins d'un gros coup de chance, oubliez la plage. Pour le snorkelling il faut plutôt aller du côté d'Okinawa où en plus la saison des pluies aura de bonnes chance d'être terminée.
Kyûshû est très accessible surtout avec des vols domestiques, on ne met qu'une heure depuis Ôsaka pour aller à Fukuoka par exemple. L'île regorge d'espaces 100% nature mais cela n'a rien à voir avec les parcs nationaux américains. Je ne connais pas ces derniers mais je pense qu'Hokkaido s'y rapprocherait plus. Toutefois pour voir de la nature sur Kyûshû il y a l'embarras du choix : Saga (il n'y a même pas de grandes villes dans cette préfecture), Kumamoto, Miyazaki et Kagoshima sont les meilleurs régions.
Beppu est juste une ville. Pour avoir un côté un peu plus sauvage il faut plutôt aller du côté de Yufuin (village avec randos), ou vers le Mont Aso. A voir si il sera ré-ouvert d'ici là (le cratère est fermé depuis plus d'un an).
Fin-juin sera pile pendant la saison des pluies, à moins d'un gros coup de chance, oubliez la plage. Pour le snorkelling il faut plutôt aller du côté d'Okinawa où en plus la saison des pluies aura de bonnes chance d'être terminée.
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Le japon est aussi montagneux que ...la Corse ! Alors , pour les panoramas plats...hum !
C'est à Takayama et alentours que vous aurez des espaces "presque" vierges .
Si vous aimez les jardins , passez 4 jours entiers à Kyoto qui est une MERVEILLE sur ce plan là + un aller-retour à Nara ! Donc , un jour de moins à Tokyo : 4 jours et vous commencerez à avoir le tournis !
2 choses surprenantes pour les paysages ruraux :
a) on passe souvent en 200 m d'une urbanisation de masse à la campagne pure et vice-versa
b) on ne voit pas trop de villages-bourgades mais par contre énormément de hameaux , 7 à 10 maisons et le mini cimetière à côté .
En dehors des "classiques" , 2 idées de visites à Tokyo :
1) le quartier branché des "geeks" avec ses minettes aux bas...faut aimer !
2) si cela se passe quand vous y êtes , allez voir les fans de rock " classique " à Crystal Palace : extra !
Il est évident qu'à Kyu Shu , c'est moins urbanisé.
Quelques photos pour illustrer
1-2 : Takayama
3-4 : hameaux
5 : oh , les bas sexy !
6-7 : rockers
8-9-10 : jardins à Kyoto
Plus 2 photos que j'aime bien
11 : votre serviteur à Nara avec les fameux daims en liberté depuis près de 1000 ans ; bref , un tas de bêtes à cornes...
12 : le fameux portique de Miyajima . Là aussi , des daims en liberté . Le monsieur allait prendre la photo lorsqu'un jeune daim est venu se placer là et est reparti une fois la photo prise : EXTRAORDINAIRE !
Le quartier branché des "geeks" c'est Akihabara ? Ca fait quand meme parti des gros classiques.
Et pour les bas... on en porte du nord au sud du Japon, ce n'est pas specifique a ce quartier, ni a Tokyo.
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Je trouve que sur un premier séjour, c'est un peu chargé quand même, surtout avec des ados qui devraient quand même bien accrocher avec Tokyo... Or, 4 jours dans cette ville immense, c'est bien peu ! Perso, j'y passe au moins 7 jours à chaque passage au Japon... et je trouve toujours que c'est trop court...
De même, 3 jours dans le Kyushu, c'est trop court aussi (attention aux distances à parcourir qui sont chronophages : même en avion, un Tokyo - Fukuoka globalement, ça te bouffe une demi-journée de tes vacances). Il faut au moins un jour de plus... et en se cantonnant à un petit tiers de l'île... Pour les plages... heu... bof, bof cette région, même si le sud, vers Kagoshima, est plus beau.
Pour avoir un séjour plus cool mais qui mixte quand même bien ville et nature, je te suggère plutôt : 6 jours dans Tokyo (intra-muros... et minimum !), puis location de voiture pour faire une boucle vers le Fuji et les Alpes et retour à Tokyo (le tout sur environ 5 à 6 jours), puis 4 jours sur Kyoto en train. Idéalement dans ce cas, c'est bien de repartir d'Osaka pour retourner en Europe plutôt que de Tokyo. Sinon, tu peux aussi faire 3 jours Tokyo au début et 3 jours Tokyo à la fin.
Comme dit plus haut, pour les grands espaces, le Japon ce n'est pas les Etats-Unis. Il y a beaucoup de régions peu habitées, mais c'est très montagneux et souvent dans les forêts : il n'est pas si courant d'avoir de grands panoramas.
Nous ne pensons pas retourner au japon une 2 ème fois à court terme car le budget est conséquent et il y tant d'autre régions à découvrir !
Beaucoup disent ça avant d'y être allés 😉 !
De même, 3 jours dans le Kyushu, c'est trop court aussi (attention aux distances à parcourir qui sont chronophages : même en avion, un Tokyo - Fukuoka globalement, ça te bouffe une demi-journée de tes vacances). Il faut au moins un jour de plus... et en se cantonnant à un petit tiers de l'île... Pour les plages... heu... bof, bof cette région, même si le sud, vers Kagoshima, est plus beau.
Pour avoir un séjour plus cool mais qui mixte quand même bien ville et nature, je te suggère plutôt : 6 jours dans Tokyo (intra-muros... et minimum !), puis location de voiture pour faire une boucle vers le Fuji et les Alpes et retour à Tokyo (le tout sur environ 5 à 6 jours), puis 4 jours sur Kyoto en train. Idéalement dans ce cas, c'est bien de repartir d'Osaka pour retourner en Europe plutôt que de Tokyo. Sinon, tu peux aussi faire 3 jours Tokyo au début et 3 jours Tokyo à la fin.
Comme dit plus haut, pour les grands espaces, le Japon ce n'est pas les Etats-Unis. Il y a beaucoup de régions peu habitées, mais c'est très montagneux et souvent dans les forêts : il n'est pas si courant d'avoir de grands panoramas.
Nous ne pensons pas retourner au japon une 2 ème fois à court terme car le budget est conséquent et il y tant d'autre régions à découvrir !
Beaucoup disent ça avant d'y être allés 😉 !
Je ne me souviens plus du nom du quartier : quand je voyage , je suis "contemplatif" et je ne prends JAMAIS de notes .
Pour les bas , je n'ai jamais écrit que c'était spécifique à Tokyo : simplement , on voit rarement des minettes françaises en porter !
Autre "caractéristique" du Japon : le nombre important , dans les campagnes surtout , de maisons aux tuile vernissées...bleues .
Amitiés .
Suite à vos sympathiques interventions, je pense qu'on fera l'impasse sur kyushu.
6 jours sur tokyo (dont un à hakone?)
2 jours sur nikko
4 jours dans les alpes japonaises
5 jours sur kyoto
On prendrait une voiture entre tokyo et kyoto mais quid pour le permis, le gps en japonais, le tarif de location et les frais d'abandon si on laisse la voiture à kyoto?
On reprendrait alors l'avion à osaka.
6 jours sur tokyo (dont un à hakone?)
Hakone peut être sur la route quand on part de Tokyo pour aller dans les Alpes. C'est bien de se donner 6 jours dans Tokyo, ce serait dommage de réduire ! (si je devais programmer mon propre voyage et connaissant les lieux que tu souhaites visiter, je retirerais même une journée à Kyoto pour la rajouter à Tokyo...).
quid pour le permis, le gps en japonais, le tarif de location et les frais d'abandon si on laisse la voiture à kyoto?
Il faut une traduction de permis en japonais, le permis international délivre en France n'est pas reconnu au Japon.
Le GPS en japonais est préférable au GPS en anglais car, sinon, les indications ne correspondent plus aux kanjis que l'on peut voir sur la route... Et même sans parler japonais, le GPS est très simple à utiliser.
La location de voiture n'est pas spécialement chère (le kilométrage est illimité), en revanche, les frais d'abandon, si. C'est la raison pour laquelle je suggérais une boucle depuis Tokyo. En même temps, les frais d'abandons ne coûteront pas plus que 4 billets de train...
Hakone peut être sur la route quand on part de Tokyo pour aller dans les Alpes. C'est bien de se donner 6 jours dans Tokyo, ce serait dommage de réduire ! (si je devais programmer mon propre voyage et connaissant les lieux que tu souhaites visiter, je retirerais même une journée à Kyoto pour la rajouter à Tokyo...).
quid pour le permis, le gps en japonais, le tarif de location et les frais d'abandon si on laisse la voiture à kyoto?
Il faut une traduction de permis en japonais, le permis international délivre en France n'est pas reconnu au Japon.
Le GPS en japonais est préférable au GPS en anglais car, sinon, les indications ne correspondent plus aux kanjis que l'on peut voir sur la route... Et même sans parler japonais, le GPS est très simple à utiliser.
La location de voiture n'est pas spécialement chère (le kilométrage est illimité), en revanche, les frais d'abandon, si. C'est la raison pour laquelle je suggérais une boucle depuis Tokyo. En même temps, les frais d'abandons ne coûteront pas plus que 4 billets de train...
Le GPS en japonais est préférable au GPS en anglais
Faut arrêter, qui regarde les kanjis ? Par exemple, cet été, je suis allé à Wajima, Nanao et Himi. Et sur les panneaux, c'était écrit... (attention, ça va être dingue)... Wajima, Nanao et Himi ! De toute façon, au Japon, sur un GPS, on ne rentre que les numéros de téléphone, pas les kanjis. Alors, la différence, c'est qu'un GPS japonais gazouille, alors qu'un GPS anglais dit : turn left ou turn right. Du coup, le GPS japonais, on est obligé de le regarder, contrairement à l'autre, et c'est plutôt dangereux. Donc fortement déconseillé...
Les frais de drop off chez Tocoo s'élèvent environ à 30 k¥ pour une voiture moyenne. En ce qui concerne le permis, si tu ne prends pas la voiture directement à l'aéroport, il est tout à fait possible de faire la traduc en arrivant à Tokyo.
Faut arrêter, qui regarde les kanjis ? Par exemple, cet été, je suis allé à Wajima, Nanao et Himi. Et sur les panneaux, c'était écrit... (attention, ça va être dingue)... Wajima, Nanao et Himi ! De toute façon, au Japon, sur un GPS, on ne rentre que les numéros de téléphone, pas les kanjis. Alors, la différence, c'est qu'un GPS japonais gazouille, alors qu'un GPS anglais dit : turn left ou turn right. Du coup, le GPS japonais, on est obligé de le regarder, contrairement à l'autre, et c'est plutôt dangereux. Donc fortement déconseillé...
Les frais de drop off chez Tocoo s'élèvent environ à 30 k¥ pour une voiture moyenne. En ce qui concerne le permis, si tu ne prends pas la voiture directement à l'aéroport, il est tout à fait possible de faire la traduc en arrivant à Tokyo.
Je trouve ça dommage de renoncer à ses envies et de passer beaucoup de temps dans un endroit (non, 6 jours minimum sur Tokyo n'est pas une condition pour faire un beau séjour dans la capitale, pour moi c'est plus 4 minimum) et supprimer la possibilité de voir différentes choses et de sortir des sentiers battus, surtout que c'était largement faisable, sans courir.
Si ca avait été depuis Tokyo j'aurais sans doute dit que ca n'aurait pas été la peine de descendre mais depuis Ôsaka : 2h45 en train et 3 heures pile en avion (temps compté depuis notre hôtel jusqu'à notre arrivée en gare d'Hakata) soit à peine moins, autant ou à peine plus que certain trajets dans votre itinéraire. Il aurait suffit de repartir depuis Fukuoka par exemple. Dommage donc de se priver d'une île si belle et variée. Tant pis je garde ses trésors pour moi et je m'adapte à vos nouvelles envies:
je ne passerais pas la nuit sur Nikkô, avec une voiture car l'A/R est faisable dans la journée mais il peut être agréable de passer la nuit pour découvrir les points d'intérêts sans touristes : je n'y ai jamais passé la nuit, je laisse les connaisseurs. Si vous décidez de faire l'A/R dans la journée, vous pouvez rajouter un jour de plus dans les Alpes : Matsumoto, Takayama, Shirakawago, Magome, Tsumago. Avec autant d'endroits merveilleux, il y a l'embarras du choix.
De toute façon, au Japon, sur un GPS, on ne rentre que les numéros de téléphone, pas les kanjis.
Les deux méthodes sont autant utilisés l'une que l'autre. Le GPS en japonais : oui pour ceux qui sont habitués du Japon, de la langue et de l'écriture. Pour un premier voyage je dirais que l'anglais est une meilleure option. Tout à fait d'accord avec Masterpo.
je ne passerais pas la nuit sur Nikkô, avec une voiture car l'A/R est faisable dans la journée mais il peut être agréable de passer la nuit pour découvrir les points d'intérêts sans touristes : je n'y ai jamais passé la nuit, je laisse les connaisseurs. Si vous décidez de faire l'A/R dans la journée, vous pouvez rajouter un jour de plus dans les Alpes : Matsumoto, Takayama, Shirakawago, Magome, Tsumago. Avec autant d'endroits merveilleux, il y a l'embarras du choix.
De toute façon, au Japon, sur un GPS, on ne rentre que les numéros de téléphone, pas les kanjis.
Les deux méthodes sont autant utilisés l'une que l'autre. Le GPS en japonais : oui pour ceux qui sont habitués du Japon, de la langue et de l'écriture. Pour un premier voyage je dirais que l'anglais est une meilleure option. Tout à fait d'accord avec Masterpo.
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Faut arrêter, qui regarde les kanjis ?
Hé bien par exemple, quand la veille tu prépares ton itinéraire du lendemain sur une carte achetée au Japon (impossible d'en trouver de précise en dehors du pays), les repères sont en japonais.
Perso, je trouve que le GPS en anglais embrouille davantage que le GPS en japonais, et le GPS en japonais est tout à fait facile à utiliser même sans connaître nu mot de japonais (les premières fois que j'ai utilisé un GPS au Japon, je ne connaissais rien au japonais et tout s'est très bien passé). Et en plus en effet, entendre parler anglais au Japon me déprime au plus haut point (et ça ne sert à rien puisque l'écran suffit, et ça n'a rien de spécialement dangereux...).
Hé bien par exemple, quand la veille tu prépares ton itinéraire du lendemain sur une carte achetée au Japon (impossible d'en trouver de précise en dehors du pays), les repères sont en japonais.
Perso, je trouve que le GPS en anglais embrouille davantage que le GPS en japonais, et le GPS en japonais est tout à fait facile à utiliser même sans connaître nu mot de japonais (les premières fois que j'ai utilisé un GPS au Japon, je ne connaissais rien au japonais et tout s'est très bien passé). Et en plus en effet, entendre parler anglais au Japon me déprime au plus haut point (et ça ne sert à rien puisque l'écran suffit, et ça n'a rien de spécialement dangereux...).
je ne passerais pas la nuit sur Nikkô, avec une voiture car l'A/R est faisable dans la journée mais il peut être agréable de passer la nuit pour découvrir les points d'intérêts sans touristes : je n'y ai jamais passé la nuit, je laisse les connaisseurs.
Je trouve que Nikko vaut justement d'y passer une nuit, si on en a le temps, car la ville est beaucoup plus authentique lorsque les touristes l'ont désertée. De plus, la région est très belle et montagneuse, quand on a une voiture, ça vaut le coup de la découvrir un peu, ce qu'on ne fait pas sur un "run" d'une journée.
Je trouve que Nikko vaut justement d'y passer une nuit, si on en a le temps, car la ville est beaucoup plus authentique lorsque les touristes l'ont désertée. De plus, la région est très belle et montagneuse, quand on a une voiture, ça vaut le coup de la découvrir un peu, ce qu'on ne fait pas sur un "run" d'une journée.
bonjour
A titre d'exemple en 2014 pour notre premier séjour avec deux ados et une mini ado nous avons fait sur 23 jours Tokyo 6 nuits Matsumoto deux nuits Takayama quatre nuits Hiroshima deux nuits Kyoto 6 nuits Mont fui une nuit pour le plaisir un endroit somptueux et re tokyo deux nuits
On avait sillonné autour des villes où nous logions et on avait bcp aimé. Voir même craqué complètement par contre Il faut savoir qu'avec la chaleur on a bcp ralenti le rythme de nos ballades .... Nous y retournons d'ailleurs cet été et faisons un autre périple, on part vers le sud.... Bon séjour . stéphanie
A titre d'exemple en 2014 pour notre premier séjour avec deux ados et une mini ado nous avons fait sur 23 jours Tokyo 6 nuits Matsumoto deux nuits Takayama quatre nuits Hiroshima deux nuits Kyoto 6 nuits Mont fui une nuit pour le plaisir un endroit somptueux et re tokyo deux nuits
On avait sillonné autour des villes où nous logions et on avait bcp aimé. Voir même craqué complètement par contre Il faut savoir qu'avec la chaleur on a bcp ralenti le rythme de nos ballades .... Nous y retournons d'ailleurs cet été et faisons un autre périple, on part vers le sud.... Bon séjour . stéphanie
la famille de Stéphanie: Alan le papa Jules numéro un 16 ans Achille numéro deux 15 ans et Capucine numéro trois 11 ans .......
Bonjour,
Nouvelles propositions de parcours:
- 3 jours a tokyo
- debut de location de voiture, 1 jour a nikko
- 4 jours dans les alpes japonaises (suggestions de parcours en voiture bienvenue)
- 3 jours a kyoto
- 1 jour au parc d'attraction studio universal d'osaka (pr nos ados)
- 1 jour a nara
- 2 jours pour remonter sur tokyo avec pauses (?) dont plage a enoshima
- remise de la voiture, 2 jours a tokyo
Je sais que la voiture sera inutile a kyoto mais la garder nous permets d'eviter les frais d'abandon. Vu que nous serons 4, je ne pense pas que ce soit plus cher en voiture qu'avec le jr pass et nous serons plus libre. En esperant ne pas trop nous perdre malgre le gps. J'ai bien compris qu'on y entre la destination avec le N de gsm mais quid si on va se promener qq part(village) sans y loger donc pas de gsm a encoder...
Je sais que la voiture sera inutile a kyoto mais la garder nous permets d'eviter les frais d'abandon. Vu que nous serons 4, je ne pense pas que ce soit plus cher en voiture qu'avec le jr pass et nous serons plus libre. En esperant ne pas trop nous perdre malgre le gps. J'ai bien compris qu'on y entre la destination avec le N de gsm mais quid si on va se promener qq part(village) sans y loger donc pas de gsm a encoder...
Bonjour Valerie
Une suggestion de parcours en voiture dans les Alpes Japonaises...
1) Nagano: ne pas rater les singes dans leur onsen de Jigokudani (même en été ils y sont).
2) Matsumoto: Surtout pour le château... mais il n'y a pas que cela.
3) Kamikochi: une belle balade dans une superbe vallée
4) Takayama: une grosse journée de visites...
5) Shirakawago: le village de Ogimachi, bien sur et quelques autres si vous avez le temps.
6) Kanazawa: encore une autre très grosse journée de visites... au moins.
Ensuite, en allant sur Kyoto, vous pouvez faire une halte au château de Hikone...
Mes 25 ans de séjours au japon! http://www.soleilrouge.org/
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Bonjour à tous
Pour simplifier la logistique, j'envisage de louer une voiture pour passer 5/6 jours dans les alpes japonaises avant d'aller à Kyoto en solo.
La conduite est-elle compliquée voire risquée dans cette région.?
Merci pour vos retours
Tara
Hi there,
We’re arriving as a group of three in Tokyo on Saturday, October 17th, then heading straight to Kyoto by direct train. On Sunday and Monday, we’ll explore Kyoto, and in the evening, we’ll take a train to Osaka to spend the night. On Tuesday, we’ll pick up a rental car at Itami Airport for a 6-day/5-night road trip around Shikoku: - 2 nights in the Iya Valley - Thursday morning, we’ll head to Matsuyama for 2 nights. - Saturday, we’ll visit Mima (town, a few temples + overnight stay) and return on Sunday to drop off the car in Osaka. We’ll leave very early on Monday the 26th by plane for Aomori in northern Honshu, where we’ll pick up another rental car at the airport for a 5-day/4-night trip: - Day 1: Tsugaru Peninsula (Takayam Inari, Cape Tappi, Kanita); overnight in Kanita - Day 2: Ferry transfer to the Mutsu Peninsula (cliffs, Lake Usori); overnight in Shimofuro - Day 3: Head to the Hakkoda Mountains and onsens galore; overnight TBD - Day 4: Return the car in Aomori by noon and explore the city before taking the train to Tokyo in the evening We’ll spend Friday night in Tokyo, wander around on Saturday, and head home on Sunday.
Thoughts on the road feasibility of this trip? We’ll be there right in the middle of Koyo season, so it’ll be busy... I know it’s a lot of driving, but there are two of us who can take turns. We’re not afraid of driving, even in the mountains and on the left side! Just wondering, are we going to be rushing, or is this manageable? AI says it’s all good, but it’s not the one driving... Any tips for booking accommodations in the Iya Valley? Not many places have email addresses or websites (I know Booking.com exists, but not all listings are on there... and given the season, I think it’s better to book ahead!). Same question applies for northern Honshu. For the rental car, I’m thinking of going with Alamo since at least it’s in French and straightforward, but are there any direct rental companies with user-friendly websites (Toyota Rentacar, ugh... 🏴☠️)? Another question: With so many trains, is it even necessary to book them in advance? Can we just go to the ticket counter and grab seats on the spot? For paying for the rental car, do we need a credit or debit card?
Thanks for your help!
We’re arriving as a group of three in Tokyo on Saturday, October 17th, then heading straight to Kyoto by direct train. On Sunday and Monday, we’ll explore Kyoto, and in the evening, we’ll take a train to Osaka to spend the night. On Tuesday, we’ll pick up a rental car at Itami Airport for a 6-day/5-night road trip around Shikoku: - 2 nights in the Iya Valley - Thursday morning, we’ll head to Matsuyama for 2 nights. - Saturday, we’ll visit Mima (town, a few temples + overnight stay) and return on Sunday to drop off the car in Osaka. We’ll leave very early on Monday the 26th by plane for Aomori in northern Honshu, where we’ll pick up another rental car at the airport for a 5-day/4-night trip: - Day 1: Tsugaru Peninsula (Takayam Inari, Cape Tappi, Kanita); overnight in Kanita - Day 2: Ferry transfer to the Mutsu Peninsula (cliffs, Lake Usori); overnight in Shimofuro - Day 3: Head to the Hakkoda Mountains and onsens galore; overnight TBD - Day 4: Return the car in Aomori by noon and explore the city before taking the train to Tokyo in the evening We’ll spend Friday night in Tokyo, wander around on Saturday, and head home on Sunday.
Thoughts on the road feasibility of this trip? We’ll be there right in the middle of Koyo season, so it’ll be busy... I know it’s a lot of driving, but there are two of us who can take turns. We’re not afraid of driving, even in the mountains and on the left side! Just wondering, are we going to be rushing, or is this manageable? AI says it’s all good, but it’s not the one driving... Any tips for booking accommodations in the Iya Valley? Not many places have email addresses or websites (I know Booking.com exists, but not all listings are on there... and given the season, I think it’s better to book ahead!). Same question applies for northern Honshu. For the rental car, I’m thinking of going with Alamo since at least it’s in French and straightforward, but are there any direct rental companies with user-friendly websites (Toyota Rentacar, ugh... 🏴☠️)? Another question: With so many trains, is it even necessary to book them in advance? Can we just go to the ticket counter and grab seats on the spot? For paying for the rental car, do we need a credit or debit card?
Thanks for your help!
I saw there are several "authentic" villages about 90/100 km from Beijing.
Including: Lingshui, Liuliqu, Sangyu, Miaoying, and Cuandixia.
Has anyone visited any of them? I was thinking of choosing Cuandixia—what do you think?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone!
It seems there’s a flea market in Tianjin that’s way more interesting than the one in Beijing. I’ve been searching online but can’t find the right one… The one I’m looking for is called gu wan shi chang (my PC won’t display the Chinese characters…). Does anyone have the address and has anyone been there before? The one in Beijing has lost a lot of its charm over the past 10 years, so I wanted to find another. Thanks!
Hi there,
I’m staying in Atami for 2 nights in October. I was thinking of exploring the area and trying to see Mount Fuji.
I was planning to go to Shizuoka. And also enjoy the onsen (hot springs).
Don’t hesitate to share any tips or recommendations—I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance.
I’m staying in Atami for 2 nights in October. I was thinking of exploring the area and trying to see Mount Fuji.
I was planning to go to Shizuoka. And also enjoy the onsen (hot springs).
Don’t hesitate to share any tips or recommendations—I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
Can anyone recommend a way to transfer from Narita Airport to Haneda Airport? Is the bus the simplest option? Thanks!
Hi,
My departure is coming up soon—two months backpacking in Taiwan, so much to discover! I’d love to hear about your travel experiences.
My main interests are meeting people, understanding how things work, hiking, and nature in general. I’ve also done a lot of reading about Taiwan’s complex situation. I do stone sculpture. I also want to visit Orchid Island for its history. Marie
My main interests are meeting people, understanding how things work, hiking, and nature in general. I’ve also done a lot of reading about Taiwan’s complex situation. I do stone sculpture. I also want to visit Orchid Island for its history. Marie
Hello,
I’m looking for advice from seasoned travelers about a roughly one-month trip to Japan. From late October to late November 2026.
We often travel in Southeast Asia but have never been to Japan. Based on what I’ve read, I’d love to hear your thoughts on:
- Is traveling day-to-day, without booking hotels or trains in advance, possible in Japan? (I’ve read many travel journals and blogs that say everything was booked way in advance… but that’s not how we usually travel.)
- Will the Japan Rail Pass be worth it for us? (According to an old simulator, I’m looking at around 400 € for trains compared to 570 € for the JRP.)
Here’s our rough itinerary (which may change):
- Arrival Osaka: 3 nights with Nara - Hiroshima and Miyajima Island: 3 nights - Kurashiki or Naoshima: 2 nights - Himeji: 1 night - Kyoto: 4 nights - Kanazawa: 2 nights - Takayama and Shirakawa-go: 3 nights - Around Mount Fuji: 3 nights - Tokyo with Nikko: 6 nights (no theme parks) Departure from Tokyo
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! :)
I’m looking for advice from seasoned travelers about a roughly one-month trip to Japan. From late October to late November 2026.
We often travel in Southeast Asia but have never been to Japan. Based on what I’ve read, I’d love to hear your thoughts on:
- Is traveling day-to-day, without booking hotels or trains in advance, possible in Japan? (I’ve read many travel journals and blogs that say everything was booked way in advance… but that’s not how we usually travel.)
- Will the Japan Rail Pass be worth it for us? (According to an old simulator, I’m looking at around 400 € for trains compared to 570 € for the JRP.)
Here’s our rough itinerary (which may change):
- Arrival Osaka: 3 nights with Nara - Hiroshima and Miyajima Island: 3 nights - Kurashiki or Naoshima: 2 nights - Himeji: 1 night - Kyoto: 4 nights - Kanazawa: 2 nights - Takayama and Shirakawa-go: 3 nights - Around Mount Fuji: 3 nights - Tokyo with Nikko: 6 nights (no theme parks) Departure from Tokyo
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! :)
Here are some tips from our 6-week trip (summer 2026) to China, Vietnam, and Cambodia. We traveled as a family of four with two kids aged 15 and 12.
I hope these notes help other travelers!
CHINA General You’ll need to download and set up a few apps: - Alipay and WeChat for payments (I didn’t withdraw a single bill the entire trip) - Didi for taxis - Amap = Chinese Maps (works great, especially for subways) - A translation app (we used Papago, but it sometimes gave weird results) - Google Lens for translating menus or signs—super handy. - HelloRide for bikes - Gemini and ChatGPT for everything: understanding daily life, enhancing visits, checking the weather, finding things. - HomeExchange if you want to lower travel costs (few listings in Asia except in big cities, often expats) - Trip.com is very useful, even essential, for trains, domestic flights, and hotels. Like Booking.com, the more you book with them, the more perks you get. So I’d even suggest checking flight tickets on this site, even if it’s a bit pricier. However, buying train tickets is complicated because (1) they only open 15 days in advance, and (2) they sell out fast. Trip.com just promises to buy them as soon as they’re available but doesn’t always succeed. It’s stressful and might force you to change your plans, especially if you’re aiming for a sleeper car and there are no seats left. Watch out for station names—many cities have multiple stations, including a high-speed rail one outside the city. For internet, we got the Asia plan from Holafly. It worked but seemed much slower than Chinese internet. I regretted not buying a Chinese SIM card because without internet in China, everything is VERY complicated (money, transport, etc.).
For the firewall, we used ExpressVPN, but it wasn’t always reliable. A bit disappointing. Ask ChatGPT for tips with screenshots to improve the settings.
Since we only had one SIM card with internet, we couldn’t rent shared bikes. If I were to do it again, I’d get a SIM for each person, even the kids, because distances in cities are huge. We walked *a lot*. Same goes for buses—it’s tricky with just one internet connection. Better to have a phone per person with internet. Book your visits as far in advance as possible—they often sell out. Watch out for power banks: if they don’t explicitly say "3C," they’ll confiscate it. Even if there’s a little airplane logo.
Shanghai In the evening, the streets leading to the Bund from the metro were so crowded that police were out in force blocking roads. Arrive early. We went around the north side.
Suzhou Be careful—there are two stations (common in China), and the high-speed rail one is 45–50 minutes from the old town. The Humble Administrator’s Garden was *packed*—we don’t recommend it. It turned into a marathon day from Shanghai (almost 4 hours from our hotel to the garden).
Beijing Forbidden City: Don’t go—I know it’s a shame, but it’s too crowded. I couldn’t buy tickets on the official site because of the kids’ passports. We ended up with a guided tour, the only way to get in (tickets sell out fast). The visit was disappointing—bad guide *and* massive crowds. You’ll queue a lot to enter and see certain areas. You’ll be checked often, so pack your bags carefully. Great Wall at Mutianyu: Crowded. Two hours by bus, and even though we arrived early, people were already leaving! I really think the best option is to leave your big bags in Beijing and stay overnight near the Wall. That way, you’ll have it to yourself a bit more. For transport: get off at Tiananmen Square metro and look for buses with official guides in bright yellow-green vests. No need to buy tickets online—they made me cancel mine to rebook on the spot. Buses leave when full. Note: the cable car and chairlift are separate—if you want to go up one side and down the other, you’ll need different tickets. The endless queue for the toboggan ride put us off. Quick tip: Incredible swimming spot in Beijing—on the north shore of Houhai Lake, you can swim by crossing the barrier. We did it twice with about ten other people. Bring a swimsuit!
Shapotou Desert Amazing, but it gets *very* hot in the afternoon. We had a tent (not an air-conditioned bungalow), which was unbearable during the day. We hung out in the restaurant. The paid activities are fun, except the camels—they look sad. The real highlight is the evening and sunset. The only downside: you can’t explore the desert alone or far—they don’t rent 4x4s, for example. We stayed at "The Desert Camping Hotel of the Proprietress of Shapotou." They were lovely.
Zhongwei Gaomiao Temple and its underground: Fun and short—you’ll see quirky Buddhist hell paintings.
Xi’an Terracotta Army: We took a Didi because for four people, a car was almost the same price as four shuttle tickets. It was packed—chaotic to see properly. We visited the halls in order: 3, 2, then 1—a good choice. Hua Shan Mountains: Left before sunrise to arrive when the ticket office opened (7 AM, I think). We were shocked to see so many people already coming down. 45 minutes by bus to the west cable car, then 15 minutes up. We did the west, south, east, central, then north peaks (in that order) before taking the other cable car down (you can buy the ticket at the top). A beautiful day. In the city, check out...
Chengdu Panda Research Center: Like Hua Shan, plan to arrive when the ticket office opens. Already *tons* of people, and it moves fast to see the big pandas before their nap. Have them drop you at the west entrance (not south), or you’ll have to walk uphill. Leshan Giant Buddha: Interesting. The trip is a bit long (metro, then train, then city bus, then shuttle on-site). We didn’t take the boat option but walked. In the end, you only spend a few minutes at the Buddha’s feet, but it’s a nice day out. Hotel tip: Panda Enjoy Home Hotel Apartments (Chengdu East Railway Station Dongda Road Branch). The view is insane, and the neighborhood is super convenient and nice. 646 CNY for 2 nights. Swimming: The municipal pool is an interesting experience, but don’t expect to swim—no one does. Everyone just splashes around where they can stand. The hours are a bit odd, with a break in the late afternoon.
Kunming The bike path along Dian Lake is pretty and often well-protected from cars. But like everywhere in China, it’s *packed*. Not much to say about visits—the flower market is a wholesale market, not very interesting. The ethnic minorities museum closed right in front of us. All the big malls are good for shopping.
Dali We thought we could bike around the lake in two days. Wrong on two counts: First, the lake’s edge is blocked to traffic and reserved for bikes (or tourist mini-buses). So you’re stuck on the main road, which never gives you a view of the lake, with all the trucks and cars. Doing 120 km like that wouldn’t make sense, in our opinion. The rice fields around are nice but not as impressive as elsewhere, so Dali isn’t worth it for that. The old town, all restored, is pretty but *packed*—thousands of people, especially in the evening.
Hekou (Vietnam border) Comfortable train from Kunming. In the parking lot, a bus (not well-marked, but Didi is an option) takes you to the border in 15–20 minutes. Short wait at both border posts. Fun to see the two lampposts near the border line: the Chinese one is new, modern, with a surveillance camera (of course), while the Vietnamese one is old and a bit rusty.
VIETNAM General: - You’ll need the Grab app for taxis - Very disappointed with 12Go—it doesn’t show all buses, never connects you with the company, and refuses refunds. Try booking directly with companies like FUTA Bus instead. - Credit cards are often accepted (supermarkets and modern stores), otherwise, you’ll need cash
Lao Cai 2 km between the border and the train station. The sleeper bus to Hanoi with Sao Viet is well-organized—it works.
Hanoi Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum closes early (10:30 AM, I think). Women’s Museum: Very good, not too long Temple of Literature: Beautiful, fairly quick This is where you should buy souvenirs, clothes, and knockoffs—the prices are reasonable, and the sellers are nicer than elsewhere. We recommend Cho Dong Xuan.
Tu Long Bay We did 2 days, 1 night (so really 24 hours on the boat) with Parfum d’Automne (French-speaking agency), which put us on a Cycad Cruise boat. Cost: 300 € per person—expensive, but it was amazing, super luxurious, and the buffet meals were delicious. We don’t regret the splurge. The only downside: no swimming in the bay (but there’s a pool on the boat). To swim, you’d need a 3-day, 2-night trip to an area not protected by the maritime park.
Phong Nha If you didn’t do the northern mountains due to time or weather (like us), Phong Nha is a great stop for a motorbike ride. It’s beautiful, especially the mountains west of the city toward the caves. There are two (small) swimming spots at the Botanic Garden—a pleasant 45-minute walk without stops. Hotel tip: Sunbeam Village (very friendly, pool, breakfast by the river, motorbike rentals)
Da Nang Hotel tip: Meridians by Hsuite—you’ll have the beach almost to yourself. You’ll still need to walk 15–20 minutes to the hyper-touristy area if you want to rent surfboards (150–200k VND per hour). The beach is beautiful, and the water is 30°C—great for a break on a long trip, especially since all transport goes through Da Nang.
Hoi An 45 minutes from Da Nang, so it’s easy to visit in a day, especially since the city isn’t that big and it’s *very* hot. Cooking class: MS Hanh cooking class—great (the market tour is a bit useless). We don’t recommend the "basket boat" tour—it’s a bit sad on a big brown pond with elderly guides.
Ho Chi Minh City Ben Thanh Market is a nightmare: starting prices are exorbitant, and the vendors are aggressive. Don’t go. The War Remnants Museum can be really tough for kids.
Can Tho Avoid this city. We made the mistake of going to see the floating market—don’t.
Chau Doc No Grab in the city, but regular taxis. One day is enough if you go early to the forest and the mountain in the late afternoon. 250k VND per person for the forest and its canals (45 minutes by motorbike) The sunset at Victoria Nui Sam can be magnificent if the clouds cooperate. Cheap and good restaurant: Quan Nem Nuong Sau Hiep Hotel tip: Homestay Khoa (2,250,000 VND for 3 nights)—adorable hostess, full of tips, clean rooms.
The speedboat to Cambodia is more comfortable than a bus. Book with Hangchau a few days in advance—payment in cash on the day (1,640,000 đ).
CAMBODIA General: - Issues with the "Bakong Tourists" app—we had to go to a big bank to load money onto it. We barely used it afterward.
Phnom Penh For us, a day and a half is enough if you want to spend more time elsewhere. Markets close early (around 6 PM) and are less interesting than in Hanoi, for example. The Royal Palace has a break from 11 AM to 2 PM, but there aren’t many people in the afternoon.
Siem Reap Trip with Capitol company—the bus is basic but cheap. Departs at 10:15 AM, 7-hour ride. Angkor entrance fee: 62 USD per person for a 3-day pass. Tickets are picked up at Angkor Enterprise. Renting two 125cc motorbikes: 10 USD each, plus 7 USD for gas. By bike, it took me 25 minutes to reach Angkor Wat’s pools. A basic city bike rental was 1 USD per hour. Short circuit by motorbike (in reverse): 7 hours with stops everywhere. Grand tour by tuk-tuk: Only 5 temples, 4.5 hours. If you want to see lots of monkeys, they’re grouped west of Bayon. For the temples, we asked Gemini (AI) at each stop to point out details that might interest kids (who can get bored with the repetition). It gave fun facts and things to look for—great for the little ones. Hotel tip: The Five Senses, run by a Frenchman, Bruno, who knows Cambodia inside out and organizes tours. Restaurant tip: Wild (only spring rolls, but *so* many varieties—delicious and cheap) Watch out: 1 hour to the airport, 50 km from the city. Show tip: The Phare Circus
CHINA General You’ll need to download and set up a few apps: - Alipay and WeChat for payments (I didn’t withdraw a single bill the entire trip) - Didi for taxis - Amap = Chinese Maps (works great, especially for subways) - A translation app (we used Papago, but it sometimes gave weird results) - Google Lens for translating menus or signs—super handy. - HelloRide for bikes - Gemini and ChatGPT for everything: understanding daily life, enhancing visits, checking the weather, finding things. - HomeExchange if you want to lower travel costs (few listings in Asia except in big cities, often expats) - Trip.com is very useful, even essential, for trains, domestic flights, and hotels. Like Booking.com, the more you book with them, the more perks you get. So I’d even suggest checking flight tickets on this site, even if it’s a bit pricier. However, buying train tickets is complicated because (1) they only open 15 days in advance, and (2) they sell out fast. Trip.com just promises to buy them as soon as they’re available but doesn’t always succeed. It’s stressful and might force you to change your plans, especially if you’re aiming for a sleeper car and there are no seats left. Watch out for station names—many cities have multiple stations, including a high-speed rail one outside the city. For internet, we got the Asia plan from Holafly. It worked but seemed much slower than Chinese internet. I regretted not buying a Chinese SIM card because without internet in China, everything is VERY complicated (money, transport, etc.).
For the firewall, we used ExpressVPN, but it wasn’t always reliable. A bit disappointing. Ask ChatGPT for tips with screenshots to improve the settings.
Since we only had one SIM card with internet, we couldn’t rent shared bikes. If I were to do it again, I’d get a SIM for each person, even the kids, because distances in cities are huge. We walked *a lot*. Same goes for buses—it’s tricky with just one internet connection. Better to have a phone per person with internet. Book your visits as far in advance as possible—they often sell out. Watch out for power banks: if they don’t explicitly say "3C," they’ll confiscate it. Even if there’s a little airplane logo.
Shanghai In the evening, the streets leading to the Bund from the metro were so crowded that police were out in force blocking roads. Arrive early. We went around the north side.
Suzhou Be careful—there are two stations (common in China), and the high-speed rail one is 45–50 minutes from the old town. The Humble Administrator’s Garden was *packed*—we don’t recommend it. It turned into a marathon day from Shanghai (almost 4 hours from our hotel to the garden).
Beijing Forbidden City: Don’t go—I know it’s a shame, but it’s too crowded. I couldn’t buy tickets on the official site because of the kids’ passports. We ended up with a guided tour, the only way to get in (tickets sell out fast). The visit was disappointing—bad guide *and* massive crowds. You’ll queue a lot to enter and see certain areas. You’ll be checked often, so pack your bags carefully. Great Wall at Mutianyu: Crowded. Two hours by bus, and even though we arrived early, people were already leaving! I really think the best option is to leave your big bags in Beijing and stay overnight near the Wall. That way, you’ll have it to yourself a bit more. For transport: get off at Tiananmen Square metro and look for buses with official guides in bright yellow-green vests. No need to buy tickets online—they made me cancel mine to rebook on the spot. Buses leave when full. Note: the cable car and chairlift are separate—if you want to go up one side and down the other, you’ll need different tickets. The endless queue for the toboggan ride put us off. Quick tip: Incredible swimming spot in Beijing—on the north shore of Houhai Lake, you can swim by crossing the barrier. We did it twice with about ten other people. Bring a swimsuit!
Shapotou Desert Amazing, but it gets *very* hot in the afternoon. We had a tent (not an air-conditioned bungalow), which was unbearable during the day. We hung out in the restaurant. The paid activities are fun, except the camels—they look sad. The real highlight is the evening and sunset. The only downside: you can’t explore the desert alone or far—they don’t rent 4x4s, for example. We stayed at "The Desert Camping Hotel of the Proprietress of Shapotou." They were lovely.
Zhongwei Gaomiao Temple and its underground: Fun and short—you’ll see quirky Buddhist hell paintings.
Xi’an Terracotta Army: We took a Didi because for four people, a car was almost the same price as four shuttle tickets. It was packed—chaotic to see properly. We visited the halls in order: 3, 2, then 1—a good choice. Hua Shan Mountains: Left before sunrise to arrive when the ticket office opened (7 AM, I think). We were shocked to see so many people already coming down. 45 minutes by bus to the west cable car, then 15 minutes up. We did the west, south, east, central, then north peaks (in that order) before taking the other cable car down (you can buy the ticket at the top). A beautiful day. In the city, check out...
Chengdu Panda Research Center: Like Hua Shan, plan to arrive when the ticket office opens. Already *tons* of people, and it moves fast to see the big pandas before their nap. Have them drop you at the west entrance (not south), or you’ll have to walk uphill. Leshan Giant Buddha: Interesting. The trip is a bit long (metro, then train, then city bus, then shuttle on-site). We didn’t take the boat option but walked. In the end, you only spend a few minutes at the Buddha’s feet, but it’s a nice day out. Hotel tip: Panda Enjoy Home Hotel Apartments (Chengdu East Railway Station Dongda Road Branch). The view is insane, and the neighborhood is super convenient and nice. 646 CNY for 2 nights. Swimming: The municipal pool is an interesting experience, but don’t expect to swim—no one does. Everyone just splashes around where they can stand. The hours are a bit odd, with a break in the late afternoon.
Kunming The bike path along Dian Lake is pretty and often well-protected from cars. But like everywhere in China, it’s *packed*. Not much to say about visits—the flower market is a wholesale market, not very interesting. The ethnic minorities museum closed right in front of us. All the big malls are good for shopping.
Dali We thought we could bike around the lake in two days. Wrong on two counts: First, the lake’s edge is blocked to traffic and reserved for bikes (or tourist mini-buses). So you’re stuck on the main road, which never gives you a view of the lake, with all the trucks and cars. Doing 120 km like that wouldn’t make sense, in our opinion. The rice fields around are nice but not as impressive as elsewhere, so Dali isn’t worth it for that. The old town, all restored, is pretty but *packed*—thousands of people, especially in the evening.
Hekou (Vietnam border) Comfortable train from Kunming. In the parking lot, a bus (not well-marked, but Didi is an option) takes you to the border in 15–20 minutes. Short wait at both border posts. Fun to see the two lampposts near the border line: the Chinese one is new, modern, with a surveillance camera (of course), while the Vietnamese one is old and a bit rusty.
VIETNAM General: - You’ll need the Grab app for taxis - Very disappointed with 12Go—it doesn’t show all buses, never connects you with the company, and refuses refunds. Try booking directly with companies like FUTA Bus instead. - Credit cards are often accepted (supermarkets and modern stores), otherwise, you’ll need cash
Lao Cai 2 km between the border and the train station. The sleeper bus to Hanoi with Sao Viet is well-organized—it works.
Hanoi Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum closes early (10:30 AM, I think). Women’s Museum: Very good, not too long Temple of Literature: Beautiful, fairly quick This is where you should buy souvenirs, clothes, and knockoffs—the prices are reasonable, and the sellers are nicer than elsewhere. We recommend Cho Dong Xuan.
Tu Long Bay We did 2 days, 1 night (so really 24 hours on the boat) with Parfum d’Automne (French-speaking agency), which put us on a Cycad Cruise boat. Cost: 300 € per person—expensive, but it was amazing, super luxurious, and the buffet meals were delicious. We don’t regret the splurge. The only downside: no swimming in the bay (but there’s a pool on the boat). To swim, you’d need a 3-day, 2-night trip to an area not protected by the maritime park.
Phong Nha If you didn’t do the northern mountains due to time or weather (like us), Phong Nha is a great stop for a motorbike ride. It’s beautiful, especially the mountains west of the city toward the caves. There are two (small) swimming spots at the Botanic Garden—a pleasant 45-minute walk without stops. Hotel tip: Sunbeam Village (very friendly, pool, breakfast by the river, motorbike rentals)
Da Nang Hotel tip: Meridians by Hsuite—you’ll have the beach almost to yourself. You’ll still need to walk 15–20 minutes to the hyper-touristy area if you want to rent surfboards (150–200k VND per hour). The beach is beautiful, and the water is 30°C—great for a break on a long trip, especially since all transport goes through Da Nang.
Hoi An 45 minutes from Da Nang, so it’s easy to visit in a day, especially since the city isn’t that big and it’s *very* hot. Cooking class: MS Hanh cooking class—great (the market tour is a bit useless). We don’t recommend the "basket boat" tour—it’s a bit sad on a big brown pond with elderly guides.
Ho Chi Minh City Ben Thanh Market is a nightmare: starting prices are exorbitant, and the vendors are aggressive. Don’t go. The War Remnants Museum can be really tough for kids.
Can Tho Avoid this city. We made the mistake of going to see the floating market—don’t.
Chau Doc No Grab in the city, but regular taxis. One day is enough if you go early to the forest and the mountain in the late afternoon. 250k VND per person for the forest and its canals (45 minutes by motorbike) The sunset at Victoria Nui Sam can be magnificent if the clouds cooperate. Cheap and good restaurant: Quan Nem Nuong Sau Hiep Hotel tip: Homestay Khoa (2,250,000 VND for 3 nights)—adorable hostess, full of tips, clean rooms.
The speedboat to Cambodia is more comfortable than a bus. Book with Hangchau a few days in advance—payment in cash on the day (1,640,000 đ).
CAMBODIA General: - Issues with the "Bakong Tourists" app—we had to go to a big bank to load money onto it. We barely used it afterward.
Phnom Penh For us, a day and a half is enough if you want to spend more time elsewhere. Markets close early (around 6 PM) and are less interesting than in Hanoi, for example. The Royal Palace has a break from 11 AM to 2 PM, but there aren’t many people in the afternoon.
Siem Reap Trip with Capitol company—the bus is basic but cheap. Departs at 10:15 AM, 7-hour ride. Angkor entrance fee: 62 USD per person for a 3-day pass. Tickets are picked up at Angkor Enterprise. Renting two 125cc motorbikes: 10 USD each, plus 7 USD for gas. By bike, it took me 25 minutes to reach Angkor Wat’s pools. A basic city bike rental was 1 USD per hour. Short circuit by motorbike (in reverse): 7 hours with stops everywhere. Grand tour by tuk-tuk: Only 5 temples, 4.5 hours. If you want to see lots of monkeys, they’re grouped west of Bayon. For the temples, we asked Gemini (AI) at each stop to point out details that might interest kids (who can get bored with the repetition). It gave fun facts and things to look for—great for the little ones. Hotel tip: The Five Senses, run by a Frenchman, Bruno, who knows Cambodia inside out and organizes tours. Restaurant tip: Wild (only spring rolls, but *so* many varieties—delicious and cheap) Watch out: 1 hour to the airport, 50 km from the city. Show tip: The Phare Circus
Hi there,
What do you think of this itinerary for a first 15-day trip to China?
Day 1 to 4: Beijing
Day 5 to 6: Datong - Yungang
Day 6 to 7: Pingyao
Day 8 to 10: Xi'an
Day 11 to 15: Shanghai
Itinerary:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HXdGotaSPgQThoi19?g_st=iw
Day 1 to 4: Beijing
Day 5 to 6: Datong - Yungang
Day 6 to 7: Pingyao
Day 8 to 10: Xi'an
Day 11 to 15: Shanghai
Itinerary:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HXdGotaSPgQThoi19?g_st=iw
hi
I booked my trip from May 5 to 26, 2027. I’m starting to plan my itinerary and look for hotels (I know it’s early!). While I’ve found some in Seoul and Busan, I’m noticing that elsewhere—like Yeosu—most hotels aren’t available (on Booking.com, for example, almost all are unavailable). AI tells me not to worry because hotels in South Korea only open bookings 6 months in advance, so it’s normal to see most of them unavailable on booking sites.
Could you confirm this for me and, of course, reassure me (!)? Thanks so much. philippe
I booked my trip from May 5 to 26, 2027. I’m starting to plan my itinerary and look for hotels (I know it’s early!). While I’ve found some in Seoul and Busan, I’m noticing that elsewhere—like Yeosu—most hotels aren’t available (on Booking.com, for example, almost all are unavailable). AI tells me not to worry because hotels in South Korea only open bookings 6 months in advance, so it’s normal to see most of them unavailable on booking sites.
Could you confirm this for me and, of course, reassure me (!)? Thanks so much. philippe
We’re back from a one-month trip to China and wanted to share our itinerary. Hopefully, this can give future travelers some ideas for exploring this beautiful country.
Beijing → Temple of Heaven / Forbidden City Jinshanling → Great Wall Zhangjiajie → Tianmen Mountain and Heaven’s Gate Wulingyuan → Avatar Mountains / sandstone pillars Fenghuang → riverside houses Ping’an → terraced rice fields Tiantouzhai → village / rice terraces Yangshuo → Li River / karst mountains Shanghai → skyline with the Oriental Pearl Tower
Our travel journal is available on our travel journal, written day by day. You’ll find lots of photos and some travel tips there.
Beijing → Temple of Heaven / Forbidden City Jinshanling → Great Wall Zhangjiajie → Tianmen Mountain and Heaven’s Gate Wulingyuan → Avatar Mountains / sandstone pillars Fenghuang → riverside houses Ping’an → terraced rice fields Tiantouzhai → village / rice terraces Yangshuo → Li River / karst mountains Shanghai → skyline with the Oriental Pearl Tower
Our travel journal is available on our travel journal, written day by day. You’ll find lots of photos and some travel tips there.
Hi, I’m planning a Paris–Hong Kong round trip with a return from Chongqing to Paris, spanning 28 days in November 2026.
The flight is with Air China, with a few hours’ layover in Beijing each time (I plan to stay inside the airport).
I’ve reread the conditions several times, but since I’m never entirely sure, I’d love your input.
Are we all clear that visa exemptions apply?
For arrival in Hong Kong, crossing the Hong Kong–China land border (via Shenzhen), and the return flight from Chongqing?
Thanks for your insights.
The flight is with Air China, with a few hours’ layover in Beijing each time (I plan to stay inside the airport).
I’ve reread the conditions several times, but since I’m never entirely sure, I’d love your input.
Are we all clear that visa exemptions apply?
For arrival in Hong Kong, crossing the Hong Kong–China land border (via Shenzhen), and the return flight from Chongqing?
Thanks for your insights.
Hi there,
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’d like to do this cycling route over 2 or 3 days. I’m struggling to figure out and find a (good) bike rental that lets me start in Onomichi and drop off in Imabari. Can anyone help with great tips for rentals and accommodations along the route? How do I get back to Onomichi afterward?
Hey everyone,
Next year, we’re celebrating 20 years of marriage (and travel 🙂), and we’re looking for something new, pretty legendary, and something the teens will enjoy too.
The family council has settled on Japan for now. And it’d have to be a summer trip—no choice there.
The catch: I keep reading that August isn’t the right season for southern Japan. It’s hot, humid, and there’s a risk of typhoons… Okay, but what does that *actually* mean in practice? Are there any travelers who’ve been there during this time? Is it *that* unbearable? We’re pretty familiar with Southeast Asia—last year, we dealt with scorching heat in Vietnam and insane humidity, plus a typhoon we experienced from a distance, and visiting Angkor in the blazing sun. Is it worse than that?
Thanks for your feedback 😉
Next year, we’re celebrating 20 years of marriage (and travel 🙂), and we’re looking for something new, pretty legendary, and something the teens will enjoy too.
The family council has settled on Japan for now. And it’d have to be a summer trip—no choice there.
The catch: I keep reading that August isn’t the right season for southern Japan. It’s hot, humid, and there’s a risk of typhoons… Okay, but what does that *actually* mean in practice? Are there any travelers who’ve been there during this time? Is it *that* unbearable? We’re pretty familiar with Southeast Asia—last year, we dealt with scorching heat in Vietnam and insane humidity, plus a typhoon we experienced from a distance, and visiting Angkor in the blazing sun. Is it worse than that?
Thanks for your feedback 😉
hi there
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change? thanks
philippe
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change? thanks
philippe
hi everyone, we're heading out for a 12-day trek in the Japanese Alps. We're bringing freeze-dried meals like we always do. We just found out that importing meat is banned, even freeze-dried. Is that true? We already bought them. They're commercially made freeze-dried meals. Online, it's not specified that they have to be "commercially made" because you can make your own freeze-dried food. And since we've heard they're really strict in Japan, can anyone confirm this for us? thanks
Hi there,
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS. Could you recommend something?
Thanks in advance
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS. Could you recommend something?
Thanks in advance
hi there
I’m planning a trip in September—here’s my rough itinerary. What do you think? Is it easy to rent a car to get around between my stops? Thanks so much!
Philippe StopNightsFull daysSeoul44Gurye (Jirisan)43Suncheon43Namhae43Gyeongju21Seoul1—
Philippe StopNightsFull daysSeoul44Gurye (Jirisan)43Suncheon43Namhae43Gyeongju21Seoul1—
Hi,
July 2026: I’m writing to you from Dali.
First, I got scammed on Booking—AI-retouched photos. No tourists at this hotel (Yishanju Designer Hotel), and the reality was horrible: dirty, with a disgusting breakfast. It’s better to use Trip.com here.
Next, the old town was an infernal cacophony, packed with tourists who shoved past without a care. Some vendors harassed you to buy things. All the stalls sold the same cheap plastic junk or other uninteresting stuff. The beautiful scenery was ruined by vendors lining 100% of the alleys. Impossible to walk, crushing heat, nothing good to eat except fresh fruit. Horrible experience.
Day 2: We went to Cangshan Mountain by cable car—the ride was short and nothing spectacular. We were at 2,600 m.
My plan was to see Erhai Lake. Unfortunately, I followed the advice of an AI chatbot: take the boat at Langkan Dock. The Didi dropped us off in the nearest area, which was full of charming little alleys but packed with Chinese tourists. The three-wheeled yellow cabs zoomed through the narrow streets, forcing you to hug the walls, on top of the scooters and other pedestrians to deal with. Crossing the neighborhood was hellish and suffocating. Once out, we hit the "corniche," which was also packed with Chinese tourists. The lake’s edge was all pebbles, and everyone was standing around taking photos. I was with my 5-year-old son. I would’ve liked to sit down and let him play with stones by the water, but it was clear we didn’t belong. They were even shoving each other for a shot! There were no boats in sight. In short, we’d had enough, and there was nothing interesting there either.
On the way back, we had to cross that maze again under the scorching sun. My son was braver than me—I even had a little dizzy spell from all the chaos. Add to that Dali’s altitude (2,200 m), so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day...
The restaurants weren’t inviting—the staff served sticky rice in a little bucket. The dishes were wrapped, and you had to figure it out yourself. After that, they ignored you completely, even if you were the only tourist.
On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, noise is everywhere, and the behavior of some Chinese people is abusive...
Silver lining: not a drop of rain in 4 days and blue skies.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
Hi,
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there,
My girlfriend (23) and I (24) are heading to Japan for the first time from October 20th to November 6th. Here’s our itinerary:
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
Hi there.
I’m traveling solo to China in October '26, heading to these spots:
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Hi there,
I’m getting ready for a classic tourist trip to China in May 2026.
The "Terres Lointaines" itinerary looks good to me, and the price is interesting.
Has anyone traveled with them before? Any feedback?
Is there a better option?
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences on this!
Michel
hi, does anyone have suggestions or contacts for a private local driver without going through a big travel agency for a multi-day trip in Yunnan?
thanks for any info
thanks for any info
Hi there,
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I’m traveling to Japan with a young adult with autism (ASD) from July 28 to August 8, following a pretty classic route: Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, and Tokyo. I’m looking for a schedule of the most spectacular fireworks displays during that time. So far, the dates for the major *hanabi* events aren’t available online yet. If anyone has them, I’d really appreciate it if you could share!
Hi there,
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.

















