Où aller en Éthiopie quand on dispose d'une semaine au départ d'Addis?
by Dadie
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
J'ai prochainement l'occasion de me rendre en Ethiopie pour raisons professionelles et je souhaiterais évidemment en profiter pour découvrir un peu le pays. Mais les contraintes font que je n'aurai qu'une semaine depuis Addis-Abéba.
Je serai seule, je souhaite utiliser les transports locaux et je préfère aller tranquille faire un truc sympa qui permette de s'imprégner du pays qu'essayer de voir le maximum de choses en speedant.
Que me conseillerez-vous?
Aussi est-il conseillé / intéressant de prendre un guide? Combien est-ce que cela peut couter?
Merci d'avance pour vos bons conseils et vos bons plans.
Géraldine
Bonjour,
J'ai prochainement l'occasion de me rendre en Ethiopie pour raisons professionelles et je souhaiterais évidemment en profiter pour découvrir un peu le pays. Mais les contraintes font que je n'aurai qu'une semaine depuis Addis-Abéba.
Je serai seule, je souhaite utiliser les transports locaux et je préfère aller tranquille faire un truc sympa qui permette de s'imprégner du pays qu'essayer de voir le maximum de choses en speedant.
Que me conseillerez-vous?
Aussi est-il conseillé / intéressant de prendre un guide? Combien est-ce que cela peut couter?
Merci d'avance pour vos bons conseils et vos bons plans.
Géraldine
bonjour , faisable et trés bien pour une semaine: HARAR , transport Skybus , hotel :si vous voulez je vs renseignerai , pas besoin de guide juste un guide papier !! lieu magique ! enfin, pour moi ce fût! une semaine c'est bien , on met 9h pour y arriver en bus , on peut s'arrêter à Awash aussi et repartir, ou bien à Dire Dawa au retour pourquoi pas ? si besoin je peux vs renseigner je l'ai fait en 2010 . je pense même y revenir bientôt !
bonjour , faisable et trés bien pour une semaine: HARAR , transport Skybus , hotel :si vous voulez je vs renseignerai , pas besoin de guide juste un guide papier !! lieu magique ! enfin, pour moi ce fût! une semaine c'est bien , on met 9h pour y arriver en bus , on peut s'arrêter à Awash aussi et repartir, ou bien à Dire Dawa au retour pourquoi pas ? si besoin je peux vs renseigner je l'ai fait en 2010 . je pense même y revenir bientôt !
Harar , hotel Belayneh ; sur place demander Abdul Aziz il connait bien & habite l'ex maison de l'épouse d'H Sélasié (il parle français .)
Sur la route , stop à Awash au buffet de la gare.
OUI!! bonne idée , j'ai personnellement logé au belayneh car chez l'habitant déjà occupé mais c'est un hotel agréable propre pas cher et surtout trés bien placé ... prendre avec petit balcon pour les photos du marché le matin avec arrivée du khat ... !🙂
OUI!! bonne idée , j'ai personnellement logé au belayneh car chez l'habitant déjà occupé mais c'est un hotel agréable propre pas cher et surtout trés bien placé ... prendre avec petit balcon pour les photos du marché le matin avec arrivée du khat ... !🙂
merci baucoup pour vos réponses super rapides.
C'est vrai que dans ma tête je me voyais plutot partir vers le nord que vers Harar vu la proximité avec la zone orange MAE. Aussi je ne connais que l'afrique musulmane (Mali et Niger), j'ai envie de voir autre chose et je n'étais donc pas a priori motivée plus que ça par ce coin.
Et les quelques trucs que j'ai commencé à lire sur Bati et son marché m'ont un peu titillée :) . Savez-vous si on peut se batir un itinéraire sympa autour de Bati (a priori mon périple serait plutot du dimanche au dimanche) ?
C'est quels types de paysages par là-bas? On peut voir du vert?
En tout cas je garde Harar en tête comme une option.
Meci encore
ne suis pas allée à Bati , mais à Lalibela en avion ; si vous allez une semaine seulement dans le Nord c'est trés peu si vous prenez les transports terrestres . voilà pourquoi Harar c'était parfait ,
il y a un accés en buses pas mal aussi qui est Bahar Dar pour un temps court disons ! et, j'y reviens car fabuleux , Lalibela bien sûr, mais moi j'ai pris l'avion donc je ne peux rien dire de mieux !
ps : montagneux , hauts plateaux , et , oui on voit "du vert"😉
ceux qui ont pris la route, et les minibuses ou autres, vous répondront j'espère pour vous dire l'état des routes . les deux axes que je connais, moi, en buses trés confortables ( Skybus ), sont goudronnés , en état , mais la montagne est partout tant au Nord qu'à l'Est donc les routes sont sinueuses ! je crois me souvenir que sur l'axe Addis Awash en plus il y a bcp de camions ( vers Djibouti ) ; Bahar Dar en effet est une bonne route vers Addis et Skybus a des buses sur ce parcours . l'Ethiopie est partout un pays montagneux ! plus ou moins aride selon l'altitude justement . je vous conseille d'acheter un guide écrit et de lire ce qui se dit de la géographie du pays ! 🙂 mais vous me parlez de Bati donc vous avez de la lecture ? autour de Bahar Dar le paysage est bien différent de celui d'Harar ou Lalibela . mais l'altitude est élevée pourtant .
"C'est vrai que dans ma tête je me voyais plutot partir vers le nord que vers Harar vu la proximité avec la zone orange MAE"
Ne pas aller à Harar pour ce motif est une ineptie. il n'y a rien à craindre. Autre possibilité, un trek dans le Bale (Dodola-Adaba) avec une éventuelle remontée par Butajira.
Michel
Ne pas aller à Harar pour ce motif est une ineptie. il n'y a rien à craindre. Autre possibilité, un trek dans le Bale (Dodola-Adaba) avec une éventuelle remontée par Butajira.
Michel
Bonjour,
Si vous êtes sur Bahar-Dar, empruntez la route chinoise pour aller à Lalibela. De là, vous n'êtes pas loin de Bati et si vous voulez aller sur Harar, vous pouvez rejoindre la route qui y mène à Awash en venant via Mille.
Les Isuzu/Iveco (bus) sont robustes mais pas nécessairement bien suspendus. Sur les pistes, vous êtes secoué alors que c'est tout à fait correct sur les tronçons goudronnés. Si vous employez les Hiace sur quelques trajets, entrainez-vous pour la contorsion...
Le retour sur Addis avec Sky ou Selam car ainsi vous faites l'étape dans la journée.
Michel
Si vous êtes sur Bahar-Dar, empruntez la route chinoise pour aller à Lalibela. De là, vous n'êtes pas loin de Bati et si vous voulez aller sur Harar, vous pouvez rejoindre la route qui y mène à Awash en venant via Mille.
Les Isuzu/Iveco (bus) sont robustes mais pas nécessairement bien suspendus. Sur les pistes, vous êtes secoué alors que c'est tout à fait correct sur les tronçons goudronnés. Si vous employez les Hiace sur quelques trajets, entrainez-vous pour la contorsion...
Le retour sur Addis avec Sky ou Selam car ainsi vous faites l'étape dans la journée.
Michel
Bonjour Michel et merci
Merci de me rassurer sur la proximité de la zone orange.. je me suis pourtant suffisament promenée en zone au Mali en m'y sentant en totale sécurité... Mais bon une zone orange dans un pays qu'on ne connait pas dans une région qu'on ne connait pas et entouré de la Somalie, de l'Erythrée et du Soudan c'est pas très rassurant :)
Le problème pour profiter de mon passage à Bahar-Dar est que mes contraintes pro font que je dois y aller direct d'Addis et pour le retour je n'aurai guère plus de 24h...
Qu'est-ce qui fait l'attrait du Bale? Bon je vais acheter et potasser mon Bradt et je reviendrai avec de nouvelles questions je pense.
Merci pour les conseils sur les différents modes de transports routier en tout cas :)
La Somalie est loin d’Harar et encore plus de Bahar Dar ou Addis. La partie la plus « proche » d’Harar est le Somaliland. La nuance a toute son importance car la situation sécuritaire est à des années-lumière de celle plus à l’est, vers Mogadiscio.
La situation au Soudan n’est pas partout calme (loin de là) mais n’influence en rien un séjour en Ethiopie.
La zone frontalière avec l’Erythrée est sous tension depuis de nombreuses années. La situation dans la dépression du Danakil est ce qu’elle est, potentiellement dangereuse (avec les derniers événements connus pour renforcer cet état de fait) mais une fois quitté cette zone, n’influence en rien un voyage dans le pays (Ethiopie)
Bref, la localisation dans la Corne ne va pas influencer votre voyage.
Je dois bien vous avouer ne plus très bien comprendre. Vous ne savez disposez que de 24 heures de temps libre ou vous avez plus de temps ?
Si ce ne n’est que 24h, oubliez d’aller sur Harar et focalisez vous sur le lac Tana.
Le Bale, c’est pour les montagnes, avec une infrastructure touristique adéquate mais c’est vers le sud. Au nord, pour l’aspect nature, les Simiens. Dans les deux cas, pas de villes mais de la montagne.
Il y a de quoi faire et voir pour plusieurs vies. Avant tout, bouquinez et faites vous votre propre opinion. Vous serez plus à même de composer votre propre trame.
Michel
La situation au Soudan n’est pas partout calme (loin de là) mais n’influence en rien un séjour en Ethiopie.
La zone frontalière avec l’Erythrée est sous tension depuis de nombreuses années. La situation dans la dépression du Danakil est ce qu’elle est, potentiellement dangereuse (avec les derniers événements connus pour renforcer cet état de fait) mais une fois quitté cette zone, n’influence en rien un voyage dans le pays (Ethiopie)
Bref, la localisation dans la Corne ne va pas influencer votre voyage.
Je dois bien vous avouer ne plus très bien comprendre. Vous ne savez disposez que de 24 heures de temps libre ou vous avez plus de temps ?
Si ce ne n’est que 24h, oubliez d’aller sur Harar et focalisez vous sur le lac Tana.
Le Bale, c’est pour les montagnes, avec une infrastructure touristique adéquate mais c’est vers le sud. Au nord, pour l’aspect nature, les Simiens. Dans les deux cas, pas de villes mais de la montagne.
Il y a de quoi faire et voir pour plusieurs vies. Avant tout, bouquinez et faites vous votre propre opinion. Vous serez plus à même de composer votre propre trame.
Michel
Merci pour toutes ces précisions rassurantes.
Et pour mieux préciser je dispose d'une semaine libre au début de mon séjour, puis je travaillerai une semaine à Addis et une semaine à Bahar Dar. Suite à quoi il me restera 1 journée ou 2 pour revenir à Addis et reprendre l'avion pour la France...
Le choix va être difficile je sens, l'idéal serait de pouvoir combiner sur une semaine une ville intéressante et un petit trek.
Bon je vais potasser mon Bradt d'abord :)
merci beaucoup
Géraldine
Géraldine bonjour,
Pour votre première semaine, il y a plusieurs possibilités (et encore plus après avoir bouquiné le Bradt)
Combiner Lalibela et Harar pour cette première période de temps libre n’est pas très réaliste même si les rythmes japonisants des troupeaux laissent à penser le contraire ! Etant donné qu’il y a une foultitude d’étapes possibles, ne visiter que ces deux « spots » au départ d’Addis (ce qui est néanmoins théoriquement possible) ne rime pas à grand-chose.
Vous pourriez aller sur Harar avec l’une ou l’autre étape comme Awash. Le retour peut se faire en un jour en bus (Selam ou Sky, cette dernière compagnie étant plus cher) Il y a moyen de digresser depuis Harar.
Je ne suis pas partisan de ne prendre que l’avion car si sur le fond (temps de voyage), il sera plus court, votre journée risque quand même d’être grandement occupée par les à-côtés et le vol lui-même. Cela a plus de sens pour des étapes qui par voies terrestres prennent deux jours mais pour des « plus courtes », le gain n’est pas évident.
Gardez Lalibela et Bati (si possible d’y être le lundi) pour votre semaine depuis Bahar-Dar.
Si vous n’optez pas pour Harar, vous pouvez envisager le Bale (Dodola-Adaba) mais il s’agit de randonnées.
Autre solution, tjrs vers le sud », les lacs du Rift descendre ou remonter par Butajira, puis Ziway, aller sur Awassa et/ou Dilla et retour par Assella et Adama.
Depuis Bahar Dar, si pas Lalibela (ce qui est dommage !), les Simiens depuis Debark mais ici aussi, c’est de la rando.
Michel
Pour votre première semaine, il y a plusieurs possibilités (et encore plus après avoir bouquiné le Bradt)
Combiner Lalibela et Harar pour cette première période de temps libre n’est pas très réaliste même si les rythmes japonisants des troupeaux laissent à penser le contraire ! Etant donné qu’il y a une foultitude d’étapes possibles, ne visiter que ces deux « spots » au départ d’Addis (ce qui est néanmoins théoriquement possible) ne rime pas à grand-chose.
Vous pourriez aller sur Harar avec l’une ou l’autre étape comme Awash. Le retour peut se faire en un jour en bus (Selam ou Sky, cette dernière compagnie étant plus cher) Il y a moyen de digresser depuis Harar.
Je ne suis pas partisan de ne prendre que l’avion car si sur le fond (temps de voyage), il sera plus court, votre journée risque quand même d’être grandement occupée par les à-côtés et le vol lui-même. Cela a plus de sens pour des étapes qui par voies terrestres prennent deux jours mais pour des « plus courtes », le gain n’est pas évident.
Gardez Lalibela et Bati (si possible d’y être le lundi) pour votre semaine depuis Bahar-Dar.
Si vous n’optez pas pour Harar, vous pouvez envisager le Bale (Dodola-Adaba) mais il s’agit de randonnées.
Autre solution, tjrs vers le sud », les lacs du Rift descendre ou remonter par Butajira, puis Ziway, aller sur Awassa et/ou Dilla et retour par Assella et Adama.
Depuis Bahar Dar, si pas Lalibela (ce qui est dommage !), les Simiens depuis Debark mais ici aussi, c’est de la rando.
Michel
Géraldine bonjour,
Pour votre première semaine, il y a plusieurs possibilités (et encore plus après avoir bouquiné le Bradt)
Combiner Lalibela et Harar pour cette première période de temps libre n’est pas très réaliste même si les rythmes japonisants des troupeaux laissent à penser le contraire ! Etant donné qu’il y a une foultitude d’étapes possibles, ne visiter que ces deux « spots » au départ d’Addis (ce qui est néanmoins théoriquement possible) ne rime pas à grand-chose.
Vous pourriez aller sur Harar avec l’une ou l’autre étape comme Awash. Le retour peut se faire en un jour en bus (Selam ou Sky, cette dernière compagnie étant plus cher) Il y a moyen de digresser depuis Harar.
Je ne suis pas partisan de ne prendre que l’avion car si sur le fond (temps de voyage), il sera plus court, votre journée risque quand même d’être grandement occupée par les à-côtés et le vol lui-même. Cela a plus de sens pour des étapes qui par voies terrestres prennent deux jours mais pour des « plus courtes », le gain n’est pas évident.
Gardez Lalibela et Bati (si possible d’y être le lundi) pour votre semaine depuis Bahar-Dar.
Si vous n’optez pas pour Harar, vous pouvez envisager le Bale (Dodola-Adaba) mais il s’agit de randonnées.
Autre solution, tjrs vers le sud », les lacs du Rift descendre ou remonter par Butajira, puis Ziway, aller sur Awassa et/ou Dilla et retour par Assella et Adama.
Depuis Bahar Dar, si pas Lalibela (ce qui est dommage !), les Simiens depuis Debark mais ici aussi, c’est de la rando.
Michel
bjr , à part vous et votre Bradt , il y a d'autres voyageurs qui connaissent l'Ethiopie ! certes ! personnellement j'ai renseigné pour Harar où je suis allée , seule , pas en troupeau, en buses Sky guère plus chers que Selam , pour une semaine et comme Géraldine ne voulait pas une région signalée dans une zone "dangereuse" et musulmane (?!)... je lui ai proposé Lalibela , retour via Bahar Dar possible en une semaine mais jamais les deux , Harar Lalibéla et retour , impossible bien sûr en une semaine ! d'autant que si j'ai pris l'avion pour Lalibela c'était pour ne pas perdre de temps et profiter des lieux . au fait en Ethiopie je n'ai pas rencontré de japonais en groupe ni de groupes du tout !! peut être au Sud pour faire des photos payantes?? mais je n'y suis pas allée !! que pensez vous d'Axum ? et la région ?
Pour votre première semaine, il y a plusieurs possibilités (et encore plus après avoir bouquiné le Bradt)
Combiner Lalibela et Harar pour cette première période de temps libre n’est pas très réaliste même si les rythmes japonisants des troupeaux laissent à penser le contraire ! Etant donné qu’il y a une foultitude d’étapes possibles, ne visiter que ces deux « spots » au départ d’Addis (ce qui est néanmoins théoriquement possible) ne rime pas à grand-chose.
Vous pourriez aller sur Harar avec l’une ou l’autre étape comme Awash. Le retour peut se faire en un jour en bus (Selam ou Sky, cette dernière compagnie étant plus cher) Il y a moyen de digresser depuis Harar.
Je ne suis pas partisan de ne prendre que l’avion car si sur le fond (temps de voyage), il sera plus court, votre journée risque quand même d’être grandement occupée par les à-côtés et le vol lui-même. Cela a plus de sens pour des étapes qui par voies terrestres prennent deux jours mais pour des « plus courtes », le gain n’est pas évident.
Gardez Lalibela et Bati (si possible d’y être le lundi) pour votre semaine depuis Bahar-Dar.
Si vous n’optez pas pour Harar, vous pouvez envisager le Bale (Dodola-Adaba) mais il s’agit de randonnées.
Autre solution, tjrs vers le sud », les lacs du Rift descendre ou remonter par Butajira, puis Ziway, aller sur Awassa et/ou Dilla et retour par Assella et Adama.
Depuis Bahar Dar, si pas Lalibela (ce qui est dommage !), les Simiens depuis Debark mais ici aussi, c’est de la rando.
Michel
bjr , à part vous et votre Bradt , il y a d'autres voyageurs qui connaissent l'Ethiopie ! certes ! personnellement j'ai renseigné pour Harar où je suis allée , seule , pas en troupeau, en buses Sky guère plus chers que Selam , pour une semaine et comme Géraldine ne voulait pas une région signalée dans une zone "dangereuse" et musulmane (?!)... je lui ai proposé Lalibela , retour via Bahar Dar possible en une semaine mais jamais les deux , Harar Lalibéla et retour , impossible bien sûr en une semaine ! d'autant que si j'ai pris l'avion pour Lalibela c'était pour ne pas perdre de temps et profiter des lieux . au fait en Ethiopie je n'ai pas rencontré de japonais en groupe ni de groupes du tout !! peut être au Sud pour faire des photos payantes?? mais je n'y suis pas allée !! que pensez vous d'Axum ? et la région ?
Bonjour,
Toujours aussi agressive*...
A mon avis, vous n'avez pas saisi le principe d'un forum: donner son avis. On peut être d'accord ou pas, ce qui est logique mais il ne s'agit tjrs que d'avis de personnes qui ne partagent pas nécessairement le même point de vue.
Pourriez-vous dès lors me signaler à la modération car ainsi vous pourriez éliminer les avis que vous ne partagez pas?
Le terme "rythme japonisant" provient du tempo des groupes japonais que l'on croise en Europe où ils viennent pour "faire" l'Europe en une semaine. C'est ce rythme caricatural qui est employé, ailleurs et pas nécessairement pour des groupes mais qui cararctérise la façon que de plus en plus de "voyageurs" ont à vouloir "tout voir et tout faire" quitte à avoir un rythme digne d'une course de F1.
On apperçoit, épisodiquement, des troupeaux, plus dans le nord que dans d'autres coins mais vous ne les cotoyez jamais très longtemps...
Axum pour Axum? Non. Pour y digresser et y inclure le Tigray oui mais avec une semaine, il faut voler les deux tronçons et panancher Axum et Mekele pour les vols Ethiopian. Pour les églises? Teka Tesfay est lecluster le plus aisé à visiter et qui demande le moins de temps possible. A titre personnel, ce n'est pas mon choix (dans le contexte présent)
Même si Sky n'est pas beaucoup plus cher que Selam, il l'est quand même. C'était cela le seul sens de la phrase.
* N'avez-vous pas pensé consulter un professionnel de santé afin de tenter de résoudre ce problème?
Michel
Toujours aussi agressive*...
A mon avis, vous n'avez pas saisi le principe d'un forum: donner son avis. On peut être d'accord ou pas, ce qui est logique mais il ne s'agit tjrs que d'avis de personnes qui ne partagent pas nécessairement le même point de vue.
Pourriez-vous dès lors me signaler à la modération car ainsi vous pourriez éliminer les avis que vous ne partagez pas?
Le terme "rythme japonisant" provient du tempo des groupes japonais que l'on croise en Europe où ils viennent pour "faire" l'Europe en une semaine. C'est ce rythme caricatural qui est employé, ailleurs et pas nécessairement pour des groupes mais qui cararctérise la façon que de plus en plus de "voyageurs" ont à vouloir "tout voir et tout faire" quitte à avoir un rythme digne d'une course de F1.
On apperçoit, épisodiquement, des troupeaux, plus dans le nord que dans d'autres coins mais vous ne les cotoyez jamais très longtemps...
Axum pour Axum? Non. Pour y digresser et y inclure le Tigray oui mais avec une semaine, il faut voler les deux tronçons et panancher Axum et Mekele pour les vols Ethiopian. Pour les églises? Teka Tesfay est lecluster le plus aisé à visiter et qui demande le moins de temps possible. A titre personnel, ce n'est pas mon choix (dans le contexte présent)
Même si Sky n'est pas beaucoup plus cher que Selam, il l'est quand même. C'était cela le seul sens de la phrase.
* N'avez-vous pas pensé consulter un professionnel de santé afin de tenter de résoudre ce problème?
Michel
bon... il y a de droles de comptes à régler sur ce forum :s
merci à tous les 2 pour vos réponses en tout cas
je n'ai aucune intention de prendre l'avion ni d'accumuler les "spots". J'ai toujours pris grand plaisir à utiliser la voie terrestre lors de mes voyages, malgrè l'inconfort parfois et les temps de trajet extensibles, il me semble que l'expérience de la route et de tout ce qui s'y passe faut intégralement partie du voyage :)
J'opterai pour un "spot" et prendrai le temps pour y aller ou en revenir ou disgresser autour.
Et pour mon hésitation par rapport à Harrar et son caractère musulman ce n'est pas un problème d'a priori quelconque envers l'islam mais plutot l'envie et la curiosité de découvrir l'Ethiopie chrétienne et son caractère qui semble assez unique.
j'ai commandé le Bradt et attend son arrivée... en atendant je suis toujours preneuse des conseils des voyageurs...
amicalement
Géraldine
Bonjour,
Toujours aussi agressive*...
A mon avis, vous n'avez pas saisi le principe d'un forum: donner son avis. On peut être d'accord ou pas, ce qui est logique mais il ne s'agit tjrs que d'avis de personnes qui ne partagent pas nécessairement le même point de vue.
Pourriez-vous dès lors me signaler à la modération car ainsi vous pourriez éliminer les avis que vous ne partagez pas?
Le terme "rythme japonisant" provient du tempo des groupes japonais que l'on croise en Europe où ils viennent pour "faire" l'Europe en une semaine. C'est ce rythme caricatural qui est employé, ailleurs et pas nécessairement pour des groupes mais qui cararctérise la façon que de plus en plus de "voyageurs" ont à vouloir "tout voir et tout faire" quitte à avoir un rythme digne d'une course de F1.
On apperçoit, épisodiquement, des troupeaux, plus dans le nord que dans d'autres coins mais vous ne les cotoyez jamais très longtemps...
Axum pour Axum? Non. Pour y digresser et y inclure le Tigray oui mais avec une semaine, il faut voler les deux tronçons et panancher Axum et Mekele pour les vols Ethiopian. Pour les églises? Teka Tesfay est lecluster le plus aisé à visiter et qui demande le moins de temps possible. A titre personnel, ce n'est pas mon choix (dans le contexte présent)
Même si Sky n'est pas beaucoup plus cher que Selam, il l'est quand même. C'était cela le seul sens de la phrase.
* N'avez-vous pas pensé consulter un professionnel de santé afin de tenter de résoudre ce problème?
Michel
si vous relisez mes réponses vous verrez bien que c'est mon avis que je donne justement et que j'utilise plus ce forum comme une source de renseignements je le conçois ! qu'il m'arrive aussi d'être péte sec ou agressive si vous voulez mais que ceux qui me répondent le soient encore davantage et c'est votre cas , on ne peut jamais parler de certains pays visités ici sans que vous vous imposiez aux gens , votre bradt en mains , jamais , c'est vous qui savez les autres ne savent pas , eux, sauf ceux qui sont en admiration devant votre connaissance du terrain. et vous n'êtes pas le seul dans ce cas , en bref , vous savez, eux et elles ne savent pas . comme précisément , on a le droit de donner son avis c'est ce que je fais , et le ton ne plait pas , je pourrai le faire en privé comme bcp le font mais je préfère qu'on lise mon avis . il m'est aussi arrivé de poser des questions trés précises et on n'a jamais répondu , il vaut mieux étaler sa science devant des gens qui racontent bcp d'histoires mais ne font rien en fin de compte , c'est plus valorisant!! votre dernier conseil est bien plus agressif que quoi que j'aie pû dire ici , bien plus, et vs le savez bien ! pour Selam et Skybus ça m'étonnerait que vous ayez pris Skybus vous roulez en camion ou en Hiace d'aprés mes lectures!! et aussi les Skybuses sont un peu plus confortables et partent de Mesquel tôt le matin mais moi je prends ce qui m'arrange au moment où ça m'arrange ...ouala quant au terme rythme japonisant j'avais parfaitement compris , je suis un peu givrée mais pas sotte , et moi qui voyage presque toujours seule , je prends justement le temps si je suis bien dans un lieu j'y reste ! parce je pars assez longtemps en général , je préfère ! ps: merci pour Axum , la région sera mon prochain voyage là bas . ps : et en réponse à la personne qui parle de groupes chinois mon avis est que les chinois vont bcp en Afrique et pour prospecter !! ceci est mon avis , j'en ai vus, mais en activité , et aussi dans les musées des capitales parfois .
Toujours aussi agressive*...
A mon avis, vous n'avez pas saisi le principe d'un forum: donner son avis. On peut être d'accord ou pas, ce qui est logique mais il ne s'agit tjrs que d'avis de personnes qui ne partagent pas nécessairement le même point de vue.
Pourriez-vous dès lors me signaler à la modération car ainsi vous pourriez éliminer les avis que vous ne partagez pas?
Le terme "rythme japonisant" provient du tempo des groupes japonais que l'on croise en Europe où ils viennent pour "faire" l'Europe en une semaine. C'est ce rythme caricatural qui est employé, ailleurs et pas nécessairement pour des groupes mais qui cararctérise la façon que de plus en plus de "voyageurs" ont à vouloir "tout voir et tout faire" quitte à avoir un rythme digne d'une course de F1.
On apperçoit, épisodiquement, des troupeaux, plus dans le nord que dans d'autres coins mais vous ne les cotoyez jamais très longtemps...
Axum pour Axum? Non. Pour y digresser et y inclure le Tigray oui mais avec une semaine, il faut voler les deux tronçons et panancher Axum et Mekele pour les vols Ethiopian. Pour les églises? Teka Tesfay est lecluster le plus aisé à visiter et qui demande le moins de temps possible. A titre personnel, ce n'est pas mon choix (dans le contexte présent)
Même si Sky n'est pas beaucoup plus cher que Selam, il l'est quand même. C'était cela le seul sens de la phrase.
* N'avez-vous pas pensé consulter un professionnel de santé afin de tenter de résoudre ce problème?
Michel
si vous relisez mes réponses vous verrez bien que c'est mon avis que je donne justement et que j'utilise plus ce forum comme une source de renseignements je le conçois ! qu'il m'arrive aussi d'être péte sec ou agressive si vous voulez mais que ceux qui me répondent le soient encore davantage et c'est votre cas , on ne peut jamais parler de certains pays visités ici sans que vous vous imposiez aux gens , votre bradt en mains , jamais , c'est vous qui savez les autres ne savent pas , eux, sauf ceux qui sont en admiration devant votre connaissance du terrain. et vous n'êtes pas le seul dans ce cas , en bref , vous savez, eux et elles ne savent pas . comme précisément , on a le droit de donner son avis c'est ce que je fais , et le ton ne plait pas , je pourrai le faire en privé comme bcp le font mais je préfère qu'on lise mon avis . il m'est aussi arrivé de poser des questions trés précises et on n'a jamais répondu , il vaut mieux étaler sa science devant des gens qui racontent bcp d'histoires mais ne font rien en fin de compte , c'est plus valorisant!! votre dernier conseil est bien plus agressif que quoi que j'aie pû dire ici , bien plus, et vs le savez bien ! pour Selam et Skybus ça m'étonnerait que vous ayez pris Skybus vous roulez en camion ou en Hiace d'aprés mes lectures!! et aussi les Skybuses sont un peu plus confortables et partent de Mesquel tôt le matin mais moi je prends ce qui m'arrange au moment où ça m'arrange ...ouala quant au terme rythme japonisant j'avais parfaitement compris , je suis un peu givrée mais pas sotte , et moi qui voyage presque toujours seule , je prends justement le temps si je suis bien dans un lieu j'y reste ! parce je pars assez longtemps en général , je préfère ! ps: merci pour Axum , la région sera mon prochain voyage là bas . ps : et en réponse à la personne qui parle de groupes chinois mon avis est que les chinois vont bcp en Afrique et pour prospecter !! ceci est mon avis , j'en ai vus, mais en activité , et aussi dans les musées des capitales parfois .
Et pour mon hésitation par rapport à Harrar et son caractère musulman ce n'est pas un problème d'a priori quelconque envers l'islam mais plutot l'envie et la curiosité de découvrir l'Ethiopie chrétienne et son caractère qui semble assez unique.
Géraldine
c'est pour ça que je vous ai parlé de Lalibela justement et seulement Lalibela pour une semaine ; l'avion étant pour ne pas perdre de temps en attendant les renseignements de "ceux qui connaissent les routes" . en camion vous retrouverez l'ambiance malienne may be ?? surtout les pistes ......en plus escarpé , amusez vous bien ! c'est quoi un "spot" ? 😏 il n'y a aucun compte à rendre ici en ce qui me concerne !!
c'est pour ça que je vous ai parlé de Lalibela justement et seulement Lalibela pour une semaine ; l'avion étant pour ne pas perdre de temps en attendant les renseignements de "ceux qui connaissent les routes" . en camion vous retrouverez l'ambiance malienne may be ?? surtout les pistes ......en plus escarpé , amusez vous bien ! c'est quoi un "spot" ? 😏 il n'y a aucun compte à rendre ici en ce qui me concerne !!
Salut Michel,
Une fois encore je suis d'accord avec toi tant pour la visite en Ethiopie que pour ton avis sur FMAEJ.
Figure toi que c'est moi qu'elle a traité d'agressif par ce que je trouve que le terme de "touristico-arnaque" qu'elle a employé au sujet du Sud était un peu injurieux et que, d'autre part je considérait Harar comme une ville sûre.
C'est assez drôle comme des gens qui connaissant peu peuvent avoir des avis tranchés et définitifs.
Je pars dans un mois et, une fois de plus, je boirai ma bière tout seul (en tous cas sans toi).
Voyager c'est rencontrer plus que voir.
Salut Michel,
Une fois encore je suis d'accord avec toi tant pour la visite en Ethiopie que pour ton avis sur FMAEJ.
Figure toi que c'est moi qu'elle a traité d'agressif par ce que je trouve que le terme de "touristico-arnaque" qu'elle a employé au sujet du Sud était un peu injurieux et que, d'autre part je considérait Harar comme une ville sûre.
C'est assez drôle comme des gens qui connaissant peu peuvent avoir des avis tranchés et définitifs.
Je pars dans un mois et, une fois de plus, je boirai ma bière tout seul (en tous cas sans toi).
c'est exact que vous m'avez répondu en privé ( citez donc nos échanges ça ne me gène pas du tout ainsi les gens se feront une opinion!) que le terme de "touristico arnaque" que j'ai utilisé vous a paru un "peu injurieux"(??!!) , je suis d'accord , je l'ai écrit et je le pense ...ok, je n'y suis pas allée dans le sud , et j'ai manqué de précision dans mes réponses, c'est suite à des lectures des renseignements donnés par des gens qui y sont allés, eux, que j'ai dit que je n'irai pas car ça ne me plaisait pas , le contact disons.. quant à Harar je n'ai absolument rien commenté de votre avis rien , vous le savez bien , par contre là je connais donc j'ai mon avis sur la question . je suis allée deux fois 15j en Ethiopie et ce que j'ai vu et connu est ma connaissance à moi ! gardez votre monopole et si j'estime pouvoir continuer à renseigner des voyageurs je le ferai . pas mal d'entre eux ont dû y trouver leur compte aussi . mais ce qu'il y a de privé en échanges ne le transformez pas à votre seul avantage s'il vous plait . celà n'est tout simplement pas honnête ; vous n'aimez pas que des opinions autres que les votres soient données , et pour Harar jamais ( citez moi vous pouvez !) je n'ai dit quoi que ce soit contraire à votre définition de la sécurité dans la région , c'est à l'autre personne que vous répondiez (Géraldine) . vous êtes hypocrite et vous me décevez Monsieur !
ps: j'ai relu de prés votre MP sur Harar, vous disiez en effet que le "on" désignant Harar comme zone sensible se trompait , ce qui en fait rejoignait mon opinion , et que je n'ai pas contredit ! le "on" peut être un voyageur ou le MAE ou autre forum voyage ect ect ....
c'est exact que vous m'avez répondu en privé ( citez donc nos échanges ça ne me gène pas du tout ainsi les gens se feront une opinion!) que le terme de "touristico arnaque" que j'ai utilisé vous a paru un "peu injurieux"(??!!) , je suis d'accord , je l'ai écrit et je le pense ...ok, je n'y suis pas allée dans le sud , et j'ai manqué de précision dans mes réponses, c'est suite à des lectures des renseignements donnés par des gens qui y sont allés, eux, que j'ai dit que je n'irai pas car ça ne me plaisait pas , le contact disons.. quant à Harar je n'ai absolument rien commenté de votre avis rien , vous le savez bien , par contre là je connais donc j'ai mon avis sur la question . je suis allée deux fois 15j en Ethiopie et ce que j'ai vu et connu est ma connaissance à moi ! gardez votre monopole et si j'estime pouvoir continuer à renseigner des voyageurs je le ferai . pas mal d'entre eux ont dû y trouver leur compte aussi . mais ce qu'il y a de privé en échanges ne le transformez pas à votre seul avantage s'il vous plait . celà n'est tout simplement pas honnête ; vous n'aimez pas que des opinions autres que les votres soient données , et pour Harar jamais ( citez moi vous pouvez !) je n'ai dit quoi que ce soit contraire à votre définition de la sécurité dans la région , c'est à l'autre personne que vous répondiez (Géraldine) . vous êtes hypocrite et vous me décevez Monsieur !
ps: j'ai relu de prés votre MP sur Harar, vous disiez en effet que le "on" désignant Harar comme zone sensible se trompait , ce qui en fait rejoignait mon opinion , et que je n'ai pas contredit ! le "on" peut être un voyageur ou le MAE ou autre forum voyage ect ect ....
"Et pour mon hésitation par rapport à Harrar et son caractère musulman ce n'est pas un problème d'a priori quelconque envers l'islam mais plutot l'envie et la curiosité de découvrir l'Ethiopie chrétienne et son caractère qui semble assez unique"
Pour l'Ethiopie chrétienne, cela ne peut être que le Nord. Il y a des chrétiens vers l'est et le sud mais jamais vous n'aurez l'ambiance du Nord. Il est évident qu'Harar est "bien" musulman.
Michel
Pour l'Ethiopie chrétienne, cela ne peut être que le Nord. Il y a des chrétiens vers l'est et le sud mais jamais vous n'aurez l'ambiance du Nord. Il est évident qu'Harar est "bien" musulman.
Michel
Jean-Louis bonjour,
Pour notre "amie", ne relevons pas, cela n'en vaut pas la peine. Pour la Saint-Georges, n'en commande en effet qu'une (à la fois) mais je m'engage à lever mon verre de Carlsberg (...) à ta santé dès la mi-mai, à Lilongwe...
Bien à toi
tout à fait d'accord !! 😛😏 il vaut mieux... un peu à cours d'arguments sans doute ??
Pour notre "amie", ne relevons pas, cela n'en vaut pas la peine. Pour la Saint-Georges, n'en commande en effet qu'une (à la fois) mais je m'engage à lever mon verre de Carlsberg (...) à ta santé dès la mi-mai, à Lilongwe...
Bien à toi
tout à fait d'accord !! 😛😏 il vaut mieux... un peu à cours d'arguments sans doute ??
Bonjour,
D'après ce que vous cherchez il me semble de constituer un petit parcours en transport en commun avec guide qui connait la région. il y a 4 ans j'ai visité avec un ami ethiopian (pas guide professionnel) tous les marché traditionnels qui existent entre Addis abeba et Ayssaita en passant par le grand marché du Batie le lundi. Le marché est un lieu ou tu peux croiser les différents cultures, peuples etc... d'une région.
Salato
Merci Soubaho et tous les précédents contributeurs.
Décidemment au plus j'avance dans mes lectures au plus le nord me fait plus envie que le sud ou l'est. La date de départ approche et je pense m'orienter vers un classique Addis-Bati-Lalibela-Addis. Harar sera pour une prochaine fois.. :)
J'arrive à Addis le vendredi matin et je pense prendre le bus pour Kombolcha le dimanche matin pour dormir sur place ou à Bati et pouvoir assister au marché du lundi. Puis reprendre le bus le mardi matin pour me rendre à Lalibella pour en revenir en bus ou en avion le vendredi ou le samedi. J'aurais encore quelques questions sur lesquelles je n'ai pas réussi à me faire un avis en parcourant le forum : Vaut-il mieux dormir à Bati ou à Kombolcha le dimanche soir? Peut-on repartir de Kombolcha direct pour Lalibella le matin ou faut-il faire étape à Dessie?
Enfin je suis bien sure preneuse de vos suggestions et expériences d'étapes ou d'excursions autour de ce trajet, ainsi que de contacts de guides locaux.
Merci d'avance !
Géraldine
Décidemment au plus j'avance dans mes lectures au plus le nord me fait plus envie que le sud ou l'est. La date de départ approche et je pense m'orienter vers un classique Addis-Bati-Lalibela-Addis. Harar sera pour une prochaine fois.. :)
J'arrive à Addis le vendredi matin et je pense prendre le bus pour Kombolcha le dimanche matin pour dormir sur place ou à Bati et pouvoir assister au marché du lundi. Puis reprendre le bus le mardi matin pour me rendre à Lalibella pour en revenir en bus ou en avion le vendredi ou le samedi. J'aurais encore quelques questions sur lesquelles je n'ai pas réussi à me faire un avis en parcourant le forum : Vaut-il mieux dormir à Bati ou à Kombolcha le dimanche soir? Peut-on repartir de Kombolcha direct pour Lalibella le matin ou faut-il faire étape à Dessie?
Enfin je suis bien sure preneuse de vos suggestions et expériences d'étapes ou d'excursions autour de ce trajet, ainsi que de contacts de guides locaux.
Merci d'avance !
Géraldine
Bonjour Géraldine,
Il est intéressant de se trouver à Batie le dimanche après midi pour rencontre à l'entrée du village les nomades qui arrivées à pied.
J'ai pas beaucoup d'idée par rapport au transport Batie et Lalibela direct. Mais il est fort probable que vous changiez le bus à Déssie.Par ailleurs, vous pouvez prendre le mini bus d'Addis pour combolcha au lieu du bus classique. Le mini bus coût plus cher, plus rapide et plus facile à prendre des photos sur la route. Si le chauffeur est gentil!!!.
Le contact du guide, je vous le donnerai en privée.
salato
Bonjour,
En une semaine, le petit circuit entre Addis-Bati-Lalibela-Addis est parfait. L'idéal, c'est quand même de dormir le dimanche soir à Bati, sachant qu'il n'y a, à ma connaissance, qu'une guesthouse. Ce sera donc mieux de téléphoner avant pour être sût d'avoir une chambre. En octobre dernier, j'avais vu des touristes qui avaient dormi à Dessie ou Kombolcha la veille et ils ont éprouvé des diificultés pour rejoindre Bati le lendemain matin, tellement il y a de monde. Résultat : ils sont arrivés vers 11 h 30-midi au moment où l'ambiance du marché du décline. Le lundi après 15-16 heures, il vous faudra vite reprendre un transport pour rejoindre le nord et Lalibela, car la route est encore longue.
Plus d'infos
http://coupsdecoeurenafrique.over-blog.com
En une semaine, le petit circuit entre Addis-Bati-Lalibela-Addis est parfait. L'idéal, c'est quand même de dormir le dimanche soir à Bati, sachant qu'il n'y a, à ma connaissance, qu'une guesthouse. Ce sera donc mieux de téléphoner avant pour être sût d'avoir une chambre. En octobre dernier, j'avais vu des touristes qui avaient dormi à Dessie ou Kombolcha la veille et ils ont éprouvé des diificultés pour rejoindre Bati le lendemain matin, tellement il y a de monde. Résultat : ils sont arrivés vers 11 h 30-midi au moment où l'ambiance du marché du décline. Le lundi après 15-16 heures, il vous faudra vite reprendre un transport pour rejoindre le nord et Lalibela, car la route est encore longue.
Plus d'infos
http://coupsdecoeurenafrique.over-blog.com
Merci à tous les 2. Kristofe, j'avais justement lu l'article de votre blog hier, ça donne super envie :)
Et le mini-bus c'est un truc qu'on réserve à l'hotel plutot que d'aller à la gare routière c'est ça? Du coup c'est que pour les touristes??
Soubaho je vous envoie un message en privé pour le contact.
Merci encore !!!
Géraldine
Ah non, le minibus, j'avais été le chercher tout seul à la gare routière de Kombolcha. A l'aller, j'étais le seul touriste et au retour, il y avait deux Allemands avec moi. Sinon, contrairement à d'autres pays, je n'ai jamais vu de bus locaux pris d'assaut par les touristes. j'étais souvent le seul dans les bus que j'ai pris.
D'ailleurs, les touristes se font plutôt rares, hormis à Lalibela...
"Et le mini-bus c'est un truc qu'on réserve à l'hotel plutot que d'aller à la gare routière c'est ça? Du coup c'est que pour les touristes?? "
Le minibus, c'est une camionnette Toyota à 12 places et 3 additionnelles (ce qui n’empêche pas parfois de s’y entasser à plus de 20) qui est employé par "les locaux" sur une série de tronçons. Ce n'est pas destiné aux touristes mais est employé par certains indépendants.
Michel
Le minibus, c'est une camionnette Toyota à 12 places et 3 additionnelles (ce qui n’empêche pas parfois de s’y entasser à plus de 20) qui est employé par "les locaux" sur une série de tronçons. Ce n'est pas destiné aux touristes mais est employé par certains indépendants.
Michel
Mon avis, si tu le peux, evite Dessié pour dormir, meme si d'un point de vue transport c'est tres pratique, la ville la plus glauque que j'ai vu en ethiopie.... et en plus on m'avais prévenue!!!
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It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
Hello,
A must-read for anyone planning to travel to Kenya or Tanzania in the coming months.
https://www.corsematin.com/article/francemonde/70999544524516/lonu-prevoit-un-el-nino-de-tres-forte-intensite-ces-cinq-prochains-mois
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A must-read for anyone planning to travel to Kenya or Tanzania in the coming months.
https://www.corsematin.com/article/francemonde/70999544524516/lonu-prevoit-un-el-nino-de-tres-forte-intensite-ces-cinq-prochains-mois
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Worth keeping in mind (just in case).
Best regards, ...
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Hi there,
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Dream of standing on the roof of Africa at 5,895 m? I’m looking for 4 people to complete our group for the Kilimanjaro ascent in Tanzania. 📅 September 17–28, 2026 👥 Small group 🥾 Suitable for experienced hikers 🏔️ Goal: Uhuru Peak – 5,895 m 🇹🇿 Local team specialized in Kilimanjaro 🎒 Porters during the ascent 🍽️ Meals and trek organization included 🧗♂️ Trip led by a French state-certified Mountain Leader
September is a great time to attempt the Kilimanjaro ascent. 🔥 Only 4 spots left. The departure is confirmed. No need to be a mountaineer—just be in good shape, love hiking, and want to experience an incredible adventure. 👋 If you’re alone, no problem: you’ll join our small group directly. 📧 Send me a message for the full program, price, and all the details.
Don’t hesitate to share this post with your hiking friends! 😊 Mafate Randos
Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
Hi everyone!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
hi
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi,
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉





