Carte d'identité nécessaire pour les enfants détenant leur propre passeport? (France)
by Matei
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour a tous
Nous aimerions savoir si pendant un voyage avec nos enfants, en dehors des passeports (chaque enfant a le sien), nous devons leur faire aussi les cartes nationales d'identité (pour l'instant, aucun ne l'a car nous n'avons pas trouvé cela neccessaire...)
Merci beaucoup
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Bonjour Daniel,
Tu sais que si les enfants ont leur passeport, tu devras souvent payer un visa pour eux... Nous, on avait fait le contraire. Tout le monde avait sa carte d'identité. Mais nous n'avions que 2 passeports et les enfants étaient sur nos 2 passeports.
Bises.
Annie
Tu sais que si les enfants ont leur passeport, tu devras souvent payer un visa pour eux... Nous, on avait fait le contraire. Tout le monde avait sa carte d'identité. Mais nous n'avions que 2 passeports et les enfants étaient sur nos 2 passeports.
Bises.
Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
Merci Annie, mais je ne comprends toujours ps a quoi sert une carte d'identité a l'etranger? Pour les passeports ca a change un peu dernierement, les enfants ne sont plus acceptés sur les passeports des parents pour les etats unis, chacun doit avoir le sien, rien que pour les US ils en ont besoin, donc, si de toute facon nous avons les passeports, est-il necessaire de faire des cartes nationales d'identité ?
Bonjour a toute la famille
www.despetitspasparciparla.com
A mon avis non, les enfants n'ont pas besoin de cartes d'identité s'ils ont leur passeport.
Mets peut-être les enfants sur vos passeports quand même pour les visas africains et asiatiques. Ca t'évitera de payer pour 5...
Et si tu ne montres pas leur passeport, alors les cartes d'identité seront peut-être intéressantes ?
A plus. Annie
A plus. Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
A l'étranger, la carte d'identité a peu d'intérêt sauf en cas de perte de passeport, il devient alors beaucoup plus facile de faire établir par le consulat de France de n'importe quel pays un document de voyage provisoire pour rentrer en France.
Aussi étrange que cela puisse paraître, la CNI a une plus grande valeur administrative que le passeport au regard de la législation française.
si les enfants mineurs ont leur propre passeport, ne pas oublier cependant l'autorisation de sortie du territoire s'ils voyagent avec d'autres membres de leur famille ou d'autres personnes.
si les enfants mineurs ont leur propre passeport, ne pas oublier cependant l'autorisation de sortie du territoire s'ils voyagent avec d'autres membres de leur famille ou d'autres personnes.
Bonsoir Valérie,
On a refait nos passeports il y a 2 mois, et on a mis nos enfants dessus. Donc ça serait très récent. La mairie devrait te renseigner, tiens nous au courant...
Amicalement.
Annie
On a refait nos passeports il y a 2 mois, et on a mis nos enfants dessus. Donc ça serait très récent. La mairie devrait te renseigner, tiens nous au courant...
Amicalement.
Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
Bonjour,
j'ai la même info pour les nouveaux passeports bio que je suis en train de faire faire; l'employé de la mairie nous a dit qu'il remplace la CNI et qu'on ne peut plus inscrire les enfants dessus. Ceux que vous avez eu il y a 2 mois ne sont pas valides pour les USA et donc à lecture optique mais non pas biométriques. Valérie.
j'ai la même info pour les nouveaux passeports bio que je suis en train de faire faire; l'employé de la mairie nous a dit qu'il remplace la CNI et qu'on ne peut plus inscrire les enfants dessus. Ceux que vous avez eu il y a 2 mois ne sont pas valides pour les USA et donc à lecture optique mais non pas biométriques. Valérie.
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Bonjour Valérie,
tu as raison, on n'a pas de biométriques. On a bien fait de le fara avant ! Est-ce que maintenant, quand on fait un passeport, il est obligatoirement bio ? J'espère que les notres seront quand même valables pour les pays où nous allons. Je vais me renseigner de ce pas. Si on ne peut plus mettre les enfants, bonjour le coût des visas ....
Amicalement.
Annie
tu as raison, on n'a pas de biométriques. On a bien fait de le fara avant ! Est-ce que maintenant, quand on fait un passeport, il est obligatoirement bio ? J'espère que les notres seront quand même valables pour les pays où nous allons. Je vais me renseigner de ce pas. Si on ne peut plus mettre les enfants, bonjour le coût des visas ....
Amicalement.
Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
bonjour annie,
C'est dommage que la personne a la mairie ne vous ait pas prevenus...surtout que depuis +/- 1 mois ils delivrent les biometriques. je ne connais pas la realité des autres pays mais pour les etats unis et le mexique par exemple - pas biomatrique egal visa. par contre je ne savais pas qu'on ne peut plus faire figurer les enfants sur les passeports biometriques, et dire que je trouvais ton idée brillante pour faire baisser le cout des visas !!!
bon courage
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Bonjour Daniel,
Par où on va, il nous faut des visas, donc ce n'est pas grave. Et je suppose que nos passeports sont valables 5 ans et avec les enfants dessus.
A vérifier si on ne peut vraiment pas mettre les enfants sur les biométriques.
Quelqu'un a des infos archi-sures ?
Annie
Par où on va, il nous faut des visas, donc ce n'est pas grave. Et je suppose que nos passeports sont valables 5 ans et avec les enfants dessus.
A vérifier si on ne peut vraiment pas mettre les enfants sur les biométriques.
Quelqu'un a des infos archi-sures ?
Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
Zut, je me réponds à moi-même !
Je viens d'appeler la préfecture pour en avoir le coeur net.
On a eu sans le savoir du flair de faire nos passeports il y a 2 mois. On a pu mettre les enfants dessus (pour avoir moins de visas à faire).
Maintenant, en tout cas vers début juin, le passeport électronique sera obligatoire et on ne pourra plus mettre les enfants dessus. Que ceux qui prévoient un tour du monde se dépê chent, ils auront peut-être le temps de faire un passeport classique pour les enfants dessus.
Désolé Daniel...
Amicalement.
Annie
Je viens d'appeler la préfecture pour en avoir le coeur net.
On a eu sans le savoir du flair de faire nos passeports il y a 2 mois. On a pu mettre les enfants dessus (pour avoir moins de visas à faire).
Maintenant, en tout cas vers début juin, le passeport électronique sera obligatoire et on ne pourra plus mettre les enfants dessus. Que ceux qui prévoient un tour du monde se dépê chent, ils auront peut-être le temps de faire un passeport classique pour les enfants dessus.
Désolé Daniel...
Amicalement.
Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
salut
en fait les passeports BIO / sont unquement valable pour les vegetariens😎
pour les passeports bio : ceux des enfants ne sont valable que 5 ans et ne coute que 30 euros
au lieu de 60 euros pour les adultes : qui eux restent valables : 10 ans
CQFD
DIDIER/PARIS-KABOUL-KHATMANDOU
Bonjour,
Les biométriques sont en cours de réalisation: certains départements les ont déjà tandis que d'autres ne les mettront en place que courant juillet. C'est ça l'égalité des chances!!! Comme tu comptes faire l'Asie, je pense que tu peux utiliser les anciens. Il n'y a que les USA qui les réclament pour le moment. Nous sommes aujourd'hui obligés de refaire les photos car il faut rentrer exactement dans le rond sinon la préfecture les refusent🤪 Heureusement qu'on a fait l'Iran avec les anciens pour les prix des visas! Amicalement. Valérie. PS: j'espère qu'au retour de nos voyages respectifs, on pourra se voir peut-être chez Cyril...
Les biométriques sont en cours de réalisation: certains départements les ont déjà tandis que d'autres ne les mettront en place que courant juillet. C'est ça l'égalité des chances!!! Comme tu comptes faire l'Asie, je pense que tu peux utiliser les anciens. Il n'y a que les USA qui les réclament pour le moment. Nous sommes aujourd'hui obligés de refaire les photos car il faut rentrer exactement dans le rond sinon la préfecture les refusent🤪 Heureusement qu'on a fait l'Iran avec les anciens pour les prix des visas! Amicalement. Valérie. PS: j'espère qu'au retour de nos voyages respectifs, on pourra se voir peut-être chez Cyril...
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Bonjour Valérie,
Tu imagines comme je suis contente d'avoir fait les passeports avant que les autres ne soient obligatoires. On a au moins une dizaine de visas à faire vers où on va !
Alors RV vers aout 2007, à votre retour. Nous devrions être revenus avant à moins que les filles apprécient le voyage au point de ne pas vouloir rentrer si vite...
Bises.
Annie
Tu imagines comme je suis contente d'avoir fait les passeports avant que les autres ne soient obligatoires. On a au moins une dizaine de visas à faire vers où on va !
Alors RV vers aout 2007, à votre retour. Nous devrions être revenus avant à moins que les filles apprécient le voyage au point de ne pas vouloir rentrer si vite...
Bises.
Annie
Trois Enfants Autour du Monde
Notre site : http://www.periple.org
Hello Matei,
A priori, les cartes d'identité ne servent à rien à l'étranger (mis à part auprès d'une ambassade de France en cas de perte du passeport, comme précisé plus haut). En tout cas, nos enfants n'en ont jamais eu (nous-mêmes n'en avons pas non plus) et personne ne nous les a jamais demandées. Par contre, au regard de la législation française, c'est vrai que seule la carte d'identité est une preuve de nationalité française. Sinon, nous venons aussi de faire refaire nos passeports (non sans mal : pas d'ambassade de France en Sierra Leone => envoi à Conakri, en Guinée, qui envoie à son tour à Nantes puisque les ambassades ne peuvent plus délivrer de passeports exceptés des modèles "d'urgence" valables six mois => 4 mois de délai !) et nos enfants sont toujours dessus. Mais ce ne sont pas des biométriques. Bises
Flo
A priori, les cartes d'identité ne servent à rien à l'étranger (mis à part auprès d'une ambassade de France en cas de perte du passeport, comme précisé plus haut). En tout cas, nos enfants n'en ont jamais eu (nous-mêmes n'en avons pas non plus) et personne ne nous les a jamais demandées. Par contre, au regard de la législation française, c'est vrai que seule la carte d'identité est une preuve de nationalité française. Sinon, nous venons aussi de faire refaire nos passeports (non sans mal : pas d'ambassade de France en Sierra Leone => envoi à Conakri, en Guinée, qui envoie à son tour à Nantes puisque les ambassades ne peuvent plus délivrer de passeports exceptés des modèles "d'urgence" valables six mois => 4 mois de délai !) et nos enfants sont toujours dessus. Mais ce ne sont pas des biométriques. Bises
Flo
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Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?