Transsibérien Oulan-Bator (Mongolie) - Pékin et visas chinois
by Juliarobin
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour tout le monde!!!!!!!!
on avait prévu de prendre le transsibérien de moscou à pékin en passant par la mongolie cet été, mais il ne semble pas possible de prendre le transsibérien de ulan-bator à pekin en raison des JO. le problème c'est que nous avons déja pris nos billets d'avion en partant de shanghai pour paris, et que prendre l'avion de ulanbator à pékin n'est vraiment pas abordable, que faire?? y a-t-il d'autres personnes dans notre cas????
aidez nous!!!!!!!!!!!
le probleme c'est le visa chinois!
soit vous allez en chine sans le transiberien soit vous faites demi tour de mongolie!
soit vous allez en chine sans le transiberien soit vous faites demi tour de mongolie!
Bonjour,
Il n'y a pas que le transsibérien qui fasse le trajet depuis Ulan Bator. Vous avez de nombreux trains locaux qui vous emmènent jusqu'à Erlian, frontière chinoise. De là, vous avez le bus jusqu'à Pékin, ou aussi des trains locaux (je l'avais fait en train), pas cher.
Voici un site intéressant:
http://www.voyagemongolie.com/Mongolie_informations_voyage_langue_culture_fichiers/Pekin_Oulan_bator_transport_train_avion.htm
Bon voyage, Danielle
Il n'y a pas que le transsibérien qui fasse le trajet depuis Ulan Bator. Vous avez de nombreux trains locaux qui vous emmènent jusqu'à Erlian, frontière chinoise. De là, vous avez le bus jusqu'à Pékin, ou aussi des trains locaux (je l'avais fait en train), pas cher.
Voici un site intéressant:
http://www.voyagemongolie.com/Mongolie_informations_voyage_langue_culture_fichiers/Pekin_Oulan_bator_transport_train_avion.htm
Bon voyage, Danielle
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama - palindrome, auteur inconnu
le vrai probleme est que vous devez arrivez avant la date limite d'entrée en chine et comme actuellement la duree est courte cela risque d'ecourter votre voyage en transiberien/train/bus.
Bonsoir Nemo,
Oui, c'est vrai que j'avais oublié ce "détail" ! Mais peut-être que nos voyageurs qui ne sont pas tenus à l'horaire du Transsibérien peuvent partir 1 jour plus tôt de UB, ce qui ne changerait rien à la date d'arrivée en Chine.
C'est drôlement embêtant cette histoire, à moins qu'on fasse le trajet en Trans. dans l'autre sens, on n'a plus le temps de traîner en Sibérie ou en Mongolie !
Danielle
Oui, c'est vrai que j'avais oublié ce "détail" ! Mais peut-être que nos voyageurs qui ne sont pas tenus à l'horaire du Transsibérien peuvent partir 1 jour plus tôt de UB, ce qui ne changerait rien à la date d'arrivée en Chine.
C'est drôlement embêtant cette histoire, à moins qu'on fasse le trajet en Trans. dans l'autre sens, on n'a plus le temps de traîner en Sibérie ou en Mongolie !
Danielle
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L'interet pour moi du transiberien c'est de profiter de la russie et surtout de la mongolie.
si c'est uniquement faire le trajet en train, je ne vois pas trop l'interet.
A mon avis il faut remettre a l'année prochaine ce genre de voyage et meme en chine d'ailleurs. Moi j'ai reporté au printemps prochain.
si c'est uniquement faire le trajet en train, je ne vois pas trop l'interet.
A mon avis il faut remettre a l'année prochaine ce genre de voyage et meme en chine d'ailleurs. Moi j'ai reporté au printemps prochain.
l'idée d'aller en chine via le train et bus nous pose pas de peoblème mais peut on toujours rentrer en chine par voie terrestre???
Bonsoir,
Pas moyen de savoir réellement. Mais d'après ce qu'on peut lire ci e là sur les refus de visa pour passage terrestre, c'est parce qu'il n'y a pas de preuves de la sortie de Chine.
Or, ce n'est pas votre cas puisque vous avez votre billet d'avion au départ de Shanghai. J'imagine que vous avez aussi vos réservations d'hôtel. Si j'étais vous, je réserverais une chambre d'hôtel à Erlian et je présenterais la réservation au consulat de Chine, avec le reste des documents. De toutes façons, si vous avez déjà vos billets d'avion Chine-France, vous n'avez pas tellement le choix ! OU vous tentez le coup et ils vous donnent le visa ou vous devrez prendre l'avion depuis UB mais ça risque d'être aussi très surbooké.
Je vous signale aussi que sur un autre site, il était indiqué qu'en raison des JO, il n'y aurait peut-être pas de place même dans les trains locaux depuis Ulan Bator.
Et ça devrait être des vacances ! L'ennui, c'est que personne ne peut vous conseiller officiellement, les agences ont beau dire, elles n'en savent pas plus que ce que les autorités chinoises veulent bien laisser passer, et ce n'est pas terrible. J'ai vraiment de la peine pour vous, se f.... en l'air un si beau voyage mais vous devriez envisager un autre circuit !
On aura peut-être des infos plus précises. Vous partez quand ?
Danielle
Pas moyen de savoir réellement. Mais d'après ce qu'on peut lire ci e là sur les refus de visa pour passage terrestre, c'est parce qu'il n'y a pas de preuves de la sortie de Chine.
Or, ce n'est pas votre cas puisque vous avez votre billet d'avion au départ de Shanghai. J'imagine que vous avez aussi vos réservations d'hôtel. Si j'étais vous, je réserverais une chambre d'hôtel à Erlian et je présenterais la réservation au consulat de Chine, avec le reste des documents. De toutes façons, si vous avez déjà vos billets d'avion Chine-France, vous n'avez pas tellement le choix ! OU vous tentez le coup et ils vous donnent le visa ou vous devrez prendre l'avion depuis UB mais ça risque d'être aussi très surbooké.
Je vous signale aussi que sur un autre site, il était indiqué qu'en raison des JO, il n'y aurait peut-être pas de place même dans les trains locaux depuis Ulan Bator.
Et ça devrait être des vacances ! L'ennui, c'est que personne ne peut vous conseiller officiellement, les agences ont beau dire, elles n'en savent pas plus que ce que les autorités chinoises veulent bien laisser passer, et ce n'est pas terrible. J'ai vraiment de la peine pour vous, se f.... en l'air un si beau voyage mais vous devriez envisager un autre circuit !
On aura peut-être des infos plus précises. Vous partez quand ?
Danielle
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Attention! Nos raisonnements paraissant logiques ne sont pas tjrs ceux de l'ambassade. J'avais un billet aller Shangai et retour St Pétersbourg (plus réeravtions hotels etc). Ca n'a pas suffi. J'ai dû obtenir une attestation de réservation de train, alors que, pr cause de JO, les réservations ne sont ouvertes que 1 ou 2 jours à l'avance, même en Chine, même pour les Chinois, même pour le transsibérien. J'ai donc réservé un billet auprès d'une agence à Pékin qui m'a envoyé une attestation comme quoi elle se chargerait de réserver le train pour moi en temps utile et priant l'ambassade d'accepter cette attestation comme preuve. Mon dossier a été accepté, donc je suppose que je vais avoir le visa (je vais le chercher jeudi).
bernadette2
Prendre l'avion ou le train(jeudi) Ulaanbaatar-Pekin presque impossible a cause de surbooking ( seul solution ce passe par une agence). Si non vous prenez le train regionale( departs tous les jours a 20h vers Erlian ville chinoise sur la frontiere ou a 16h, 30m vers Zamiin Uud la frontiere mongole. si vous n'avez pas le visa je ne peux pas garantire que vous auriez le visa sur la frontiere.
J'ai le meme probleme (billet retour shanghai paris acheté) à peu de choses près sauf que je prevois de partir de mongolie début novembre ce qui me laisse un peu d'espoir (de naiveté ?) que les choses changent et que je puisse avoir un train et un visa à Ulaanbaatar pour la chine.
Mais dans le cas où ce soit vraiment la merde : Est-ce qu'il y a des bus ou des taxis vers Erlian s'il n'y a pas de place dans les trains ? Est-ce qu'il est possible d'avoir à Ulaanbaatar un visa chinois de transit type G avec juste le billet de retour shanghai paris ? Et si oui combien de jours est-il valable ? (10 ?)
Merci de vos infos tout comme l'auteur du post j'ai acheté mon billet avant les nouvelles regles et maintenant c'est la merde...
Mais dans le cas où ce soit vraiment la merde : Est-ce qu'il y a des bus ou des taxis vers Erlian s'il n'y a pas de place dans les trains ? Est-ce qu'il est possible d'avoir à Ulaanbaatar un visa chinois de transit type G avec juste le billet de retour shanghai paris ? Et si oui combien de jours est-il valable ? (10 ?)
Merci de vos infos tout comme l'auteur du post j'ai acheté mon billet avant les nouvelles regles et maintenant c'est la merde...
Novembre ce la fin de saison touristique en mongolie, (mais il y a toujours des backpackers, ) mais tu as mieux de chance d'avoir le place. Si tu as le possibilite il faut le reserve en avance. A niveau de visa j'ai aucun idea, parce que pour nous (mongoles) la chine n'a pas l'obligation de visa pour moins de 30jours . est que c'est difficile avoir le visa a paris?
Est-ce qu'il y a des bus ou des taxis vers Erlian s'il n'y a pas de place dans les trains ?
1)oui, ce n'est pas facile d'obtenir un ticket de train Ulaanbaator-Pekin pendant la saison touristique
2) passer par Zamiin-uud et prendre le bus jusque pekin coute moin cher
3) Pour passe la frontiere chinoise, dans le train ce prends 3 ou 4 heures de controles, alors les mongoles preferont passe la frontiere plus vite et aussi moin des controles douanieres. car pluparts des passants par Zamiin-uud sont des petits commercants.
merci infiniment pour tous ces renseignements nous partons début juillet de mongolie vers la chine, donc je crains que nous n'ayons pas plus d'infos d'ici là. de plus j'ai contacté la ligne mise en place au sein de l'ambassade chnoise pour informer sur les visas ils ont été incapables de répondre à mes demandes... donc j'y vais demain matin!
pour les hôtels en chine on a rien réservé on compte y aller un peu à l'aventure mais on va avoir une invitation d'amis qui y vivent je crois que c'est suffisant pour le visas.
merci pour tout
Salut Juliarobin,
je suis en Russie actuellement et j'aimerai partir en Chine via le transsibérien pendant le mois de juin. Le problème c'est le visa chinois. A l'ambassade de Chine à Moscou on me dit qu'il me faut une invitation pour avoir un visa touriste 🙁 .... Pareil à Paris ou est ce que passeport, photo, formulaire et (optionnel) billets d'avion + reservation hotel sur place suffisent?
Thx.
je suis en Russie actuellement et j'aimerai partir en Chine via le transsibérien pendant le mois de juin. Le problème c'est le visa chinois. A l'ambassade de Chine à Moscou on me dit qu'il me faut une invitation pour avoir un visa touriste 🙁 .... Pareil à Paris ou est ce que passeport, photo, formulaire et (optionnel) billets d'avion + reservation hotel sur place suffisent?
Thx.
si tu demandes un visa chinois avec billet d'avion aller retour + resa d'hotel tu as un visa de 30 jours
🙂🙂🙂 Merci bcp, je fonce à l'ambassade asap 🙂🙂🙂
Bonjour,
Je prends le transsiberien avec quatre amis , fin septembre prochain, nous partons de moscou , pour aller jusqu'a pekin en s'arretant quelques jours a Irkutsk. J'ai deja les billets de train pour Mosou Irkustk, et irkutsk Ulan Bator, mais impossible de reserver de Russie pour le Ulan Bator Pekin. Pensez vous que sans reservation on peut avoir des places ds le train UB Pekin? Combien ca coute? Le bus coute combien sinon? Merci ,
Emilia
Je prends le transsiberien avec quatre amis , fin septembre prochain, nous partons de moscou , pour aller jusqu'a pekin en s'arretant quelques jours a Irkutsk. J'ai deja les billets de train pour Mosou Irkustk, et irkutsk Ulan Bator, mais impossible de reserver de Russie pour le Ulan Bator Pekin. Pensez vous que sans reservation on peut avoir des places ds le train UB Pekin? Combien ca coute? Le bus coute combien sinon? Merci ,
Emilia
Salut Emilia!
Je pars avec ma copine au mois d'Aout prochain pour faire exactement le même voyage: Mosou-Irkustk, Irkutsk-UBator et UB-Pekin. Peux-tu me dire combien tu as payé pour les deux premières étapes (en compartiment de 4 je suppose? si tu as une idée en compartiment de 2...?). Et puis si finalement tu as réussi à trouver des billets pour le dernier tronçon? combien et où?
Pour les deux premières étapes, vous avez acheté les billets sur place ou depuis la France?
Bref, beaucoup de question encore.... merci d'avance pour ton aide!
Coucou !
Nous prenons aussi le transmongolien au printemps (mais on se laisse 1 mois en Russie, 1 ou 2 mois en Mongolie et 1 mois en Chine).
Pour ce qui est des tarifs, vous pouvez avoir une bonne idée sur ce site : http://www.trainsrussia.com/en/travels/ Cependant les billets sont apparemment moins chers si achetés directement en gare en Russie (par contre il faut batailler avec le russe parce que vous avez peu de chances de tomber sur quelqu'un qui parle anglais)
Voilà bon courage et bon voyage !
Nous prenons aussi le transmongolien au printemps (mais on se laisse 1 mois en Russie, 1 ou 2 mois en Mongolie et 1 mois en Chine).
Pour ce qui est des tarifs, vous pouvez avoir une bonne idée sur ce site : http://www.trainsrussia.com/en/travels/ Cependant les billets sont apparemment moins chers si achetés directement en gare en Russie (par contre il faut batailler avec le russe parce que vous avez peu de chances de tomber sur quelqu'un qui parle anglais)
Voilà bon courage et bon voyage !
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My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel