Cycling trips—how old is too old?
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LU Lucno Regular ·
Hi Françoise Hope it heals, even if it takes a while. Four years ago, when I ended up in the fire brigade’s stretcher, I cried thinking I’d never ride a bike again. They reassured me even before the surgery. Since then, I’ve been cycling way more than before—retirement has its perks, even if the years keep flying by. Wishing you a speedy recovery
17 178jules Veteran ·
The kicker—is this near home or while traveling? Watch your vitamin D levels; it’s crucial at our age. Daniel
PT Ptijojo75 Regular ·
Hi Jules, Statistically, cycling does so much good for the body (oxygenating both body and mind) that you still have plenty of great rides ahead of you! I’m a bit younger than you (43) but travel with the same gear, and along France’s canals I’ve met loads of people your age. There’s no limit—you just need to pick the right route. I recommend checking out: http://www.velocanauxdodo.fr

Happy trails, Joris.
JJ JJacques92 ·
Spotted in *La Dépêche*:

What an incredible feat! Harriette Thompson, 92 years and 65 days old, finished the San Diego marathon on Sunday. She’s now the oldest woman to complete such an event, according to the organizers.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2015/06/01/2115780-etats-unis-plus-92-ans-termine-marathon-san-diego.html#xtor=EPR-1 So, what about cycling?
PT Ptijojo75 Regular ·
Yes, the reflection on nutrition is spot-on: you can find vitamin D in ampoules, and some pharmacists will sell it without a prescription. Otherwise, when hiking, eating sardines and eggs (high in protein and easy to carry) works great!
SI Sitik Veteran ·
😎A balanced diet, sure, all year round, but no deprivation. Bike touring, sure, but at my own pace. Climbing the Galibier, the Little or the Great St. Bernard, or even the Col d'Izoard, yes, but not too fast, just taking it easy. I don’t follow any special diet, before, during, or after, and definitely no dietary supplements, which can sometimes be harmful to your health. When you’re cycling abroad, especially in Asia, you can imagine it’s not always possible to choose your food, and in some countries, it might even be inappropriate. That doesn’t stop you from pedaling, though. The main thing is to enjoy yourself.
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
For me, no "artificial" supplements—I just make sure to eat a balanced diet. A GOOD breakfast in the morning, a light meal at noon, often raw veggies and fruit... before a little apéritif—I mean, a *small* one!! In the evening, I make up for it, 😏 while staying reasonable... a little less than at noon.....
FR Frannycyclo Regular ·
Bad luck—near home or while traveling? Watch your vitamin D levels; it’s crucial at our age. Daniel

While on a cycling trip, I was trying to reach my little village in Georgia, with some hope that if I could get visas, I’d make it all the way to Beijing. It happened to me in Germany—I at least learned one German word: *Inkontinenzprodukte*… Lots of twists and turns before getting a proper diagnosis and treatment… I’m now in my fifth hospital… The repatriation assistance dragged their feet to bring me home, and in the end, a friend came to get me, turning his station wagon into an ambulance… The doctors painted a very grim future for me… But in a few months, when I’m feeling better, I’ll be back on the road. My vitamin D levels are normal; they gave me an Aclasta injection to help calcium bind to my bones. I’ve done a lot of research online and plan to cut out dairy—its calcium isn’t easily absorbed—in favor of calcium-rich water and foods. Bottom line, my friends: getting old isn’t for the faint of heart… Best to all you old-timers…
LU Lucbertrand Globetrotter ·
Hi Françoise, Love your steel morale—way to go! Luc
LU Lucno Regular ·
No way, we're not old—it's all in your head. Anyway, get well soon, Françoise.
17 178jules Veteran ·
dairy products whose calcium isn’t absorbable

Not only would it not be absorbable, but worse, it would block the absorption of calcium from other foods. Check out the books *Milk, Lies, and Propaganda*, *Be Less Dairy*, or *Milk: A Fine Mess* for more on this. I’ve been living without milk (all dairy) and gluten for 15 years now, and apart from arthritis (which I think I’ve stopped progressing), everything’s fine. You’ll find all the info on this topic at www.lanutrition.fr. Wishing you a speedy recovery and many more miles to ride!
SI Sitik Veteran ·
Hi there,

It’s always frustrating to cut a trip short, especially when it’s for health reasons. Take care of yourself and keep your spirits up. Your bike’s waiting for you—it’s a loyal companion.
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi everyone,

This probably wasn’t the goal of this discussion, but the profiles of the participants here make me want to share a 3-month cycling trip project starting in early 2016. The dates aren’t set in stone yet, but we’ll be leaving in the first half of January and returning in the first half of April.

The destination is Mexico. The planned route—though it could change before or during the trip—should take about 64 cycling days. It sometimes passes through regions flagged as risky on the travel advisory site: http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/...-pays/mexique-1.... So, I’ll do more research and plan alternate routes to avoid those areas if needed.

For now, there are two of us—men aged 64 and 65. Like the past three years, we’ll be riding trikes (recumbent bikes with three wheels). The group could grow, and anyone interested can reach out to me on this forum or via private message. There’s no issue mixing trikes with traditional bikes—we’ve ridden together for days or even weeks with standard bikes without any problems. That said, trikes are noticeably slower on climbs.

Google Maps link to the 2016 route with a few variations: https://www.google.com/...Wicg&usp=sharing

To give you an idea of our travel style, details of our past trips (all in Southeast Asia) are available on two sites. I don’t know Mexico yet, but it seems more expensive than Southeast Asian countries. So, the 2016 travel budget will likely be higher than previous trips.

2014 and 2015 (by trike) http://baladevelo3roues.e-monsite.com/...ire-voy...

2011 (classic bike) and 2013 (trike) (right-hand menu) http://velaustralie.e-monsite.com/...itineraire-...

I’ll wrap up—but I probably should’ve started with this—by wishing Françoise (Frannycyclo) a speedy recovery. I really admire her determination and perseverance.

Jean Marie
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
Awesome trike adventure, congrats!
FR Frannycyclo Regular ·
Hello everyone,

While this probably wasn’t the original purpose of the discussion, the profiles of the participants here have inspired me to share a 3-month cycling trip project planned for early 2016. The exact dates aren’t set yet, but we’ll be leaving in the first half of January and returning in the first half of April.

The destination is Mexico. The route is planned but may change before or during the trip, with around 64 cycling days. It occasionally passes through regions flagged as risky on the travel advisory site http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/...-pays/mexique-1.... I’ll do more research and prepare alternate routes to avoid those areas if needed.

For now, there are two of us—men aged 64 and 65. Like the past three years, we’ll be riding trikes (recumbent bikes with three wheels). The group could grow, and anyone interested can contact me here or via private message. There’s no issue mixing trikes with traditional bikes—we’ve ridden together for days or weeks at a time with standard bikes without problems. That said, trikes are noticeably slower on climbs.

Google Maps link to the 2016 route with a few variations: https://www.google.com/...Wicg&usp=sharing

To give you an idea of our travel style, details of our previous trips (all in Southeast Asia) are on these two sites. I don’t know Mexico yet, but it seems pricier than Southeast Asia, so the 2016 budget will likely be higher than past trips.

2014 and 2015 (by trike) http://baladevelo3roues.e-monsite.com/...ire-voy...

2011 (classic bike) and 2013 (trike) (right-hand menu) http://velaustralie.e-monsite.com/...itineraire-...

I’ll wrap up—but I should’ve started by wishing Françoise (Frannycyclo) a speedy recovery. I really admire her determination and perseverance.

Jean Marie

Ignore travel advisories. I’ve cycled in Mexico—the biggest hazard is the *topes* (speed bumps, or “sleeping policemen” as they’re poetically called). Avoid dairy, especially cow’s milk. Gluten (wheat) is easy to skip since corn dominates Mexican cuisine. Steer clear of medical mistakes and cortisone treatments. Cycle to your heart’s content—no limits! Listen to yourself, listen to your body. Adjust your route on a whim. Do what makes you happy. Learn Spanish—it helps... If you go in the dry season, pack light. If you can handle a hammock, bring one (though you’ll find plenty there). We always found a place to sleep—except once, but a ride from a passing car saved us. And don’t worry about dogs in Mexico—they’re not even mean... Safe travels! I’m recovering after two months in the hospital and a rough time, but I’ll get there. Cyclist greetings, Françoise
PT Ptijojo75 Regular ·
Of course! Contrary to what moms say, milk is bad for your health—hard to digest and lacking in protein. On a trek, you should fuel up on sardines and eggs. As for health insurance, France covers you for up to 3 months as a tourist. Beyond that, you’ll need to take out private insurance, or if you're in the EU, register with the embassy.

I’m not exactly young either, but I trust my doctor completely. He solved problems similar to yours with a single approach, where batteries of tests had done nothing: Cut out all cow-based products—meat and milk. Eat only frozen vegetables if you can (you can find freezers for 70 €), and as many dried legumes as possible (white beans, lentils, split peas—not canned, cooked in a pot) with white meat or line-caught fish. Stick to this diet for 4 weeks, and I guarantee you’ll feel the difference.
NA Nabère ·
Okay, here's a half-humorous reply... If your average was 35 km/h five years ago, you've still got plenty of room. I know a guy who had hip arthritis—he got a prosthesis (titanium for weight), and the surgeon guaranteed it'd last 15 years. Now he's got his old flexibility back (true story, except for the titanium part...). Hang in there!
SI Sitik Veteran ·
hi,

“I’ve got a year of recovery ahead after two months in the hospital and sheer hell, but I’ll get there.”

Of course you’ll get there. Hang in there. I know it’s not the easiest thing. Your bike’s waiting for you, and it won’t let you down. Don’t try just anything—listen to your doctors; they know what they’re doing.
PT Ptijojo75 Regular ·
The bike-packing forum’s here to back you up, and sitick’s right: don’t forget your best buddy—your bike.
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Thanks Françoise for the info on Mexico and also for the dietary tips.

For Mexico, I’m sticking with the planned route for now, with an alternative to avoid Acapulco and the state of Guerrero if needed. From past trips (southern Thailand), we’ve noticed that travel advisories tend to exaggerate the risks a bit. We’ll see on the ground if the same holds true for Mexico. My eldest son traveled there for three months this year with a friend on bikes, and they really enjoyed it. In fact, it was on their recommendation that we chose this destination.

We’ll watch out for *topes* (speed bumps), but they should be less risky on a recumbent trike than on a regular bike.

I don’t have a problem with hammocks. I have a lightweight parachute-fabric hammock with a mosquito net and tarp. I only used it once in Cambodia a few years ago—it wasn’t comfortable and was very hot. I’ve since replaced it with a lightweight tent, sleeping pad, and sleeping bag. For Mexico, I don’t have any experience yet, but I think nighttime temperatures vary a lot between the coast and the plateaus above 2,000 meters. For now, we’re planning to bring our lightweight camping gear and buy a hammock locally if needed.

I’ve started learning Spanish, but languages aren’t my strong suit. Still, I’ll try to leave with at least a basic knowledge and improve along the way.

Health-wise, I also have a minor issue with numb hands on a regular bike. I think that’s common for a lot of older cyclists. That, along with neck pain, is what led me to switch to a recumbent trike. My last trip on a regular bike was in 2011, and I had to take some descents at reduced speed because I couldn’t brake properly. With the recumbent trike, I don’t have those problems anymore, but climbs take about a third longer than on a regular bike.

For a few years now, I’ve been eating very few dairy products, but I need to cut back on bread.

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Best regards,

Jean Marie

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