J'ai découvert ce forum sur le Vietnam, il y a quelques jours, et ce que j'y lis est surprenant : émouvant par les témoignages vécus ( car derrière les lignes on sent vibrer la passion pour le Vietnam, et comme toute passion on aime ou on n'aime pas de façon souvent irréductible), amusant parfois par la candeur de certains propos, agaçant peut-être quand la force de conviction fait place à la force de dissuasion, et terrifiant quelquefois quand des affirmations sont données en dépit du bon sens en se donnant l'apparence de preuves irréfutables ! Notamment en ce qui concerne la santé et les enfants...Mais c'est toujours enrichissant. J'ai l'immense bonheur d'habiter au Vietnam, où j'ai immigré il y a quelques années après l'avoir pratiqué depuis plus de 20 ans. Je l'ai vu se transformer au fil du temps, accueillant, au début 100 à 200 000 touristes par an, et aujourd'hui près de 4 000 000.J'ai appris le vietnamien pour mieux en comprendre la culture et en saisir les nuances. Aujourd'hui, j'ai la chance d'y exercer plusieurs activités :pédiatre, journaliste, et écrivain. D'où mon vif intérêt pour tous ce que je lis dans les messages. Refusant de m'enfermer dans un cabinet ou un hôpital, je préfère intervenir à domicile, ce qui me donne l'occasion d'être en permanence au contact du Vietnam le plus profond, celui à côté duquel passe de nombreux voyageurs. La, j'y puise la force et la sérénité que seul peut avoir un pays qui a longtemps souffert. Journaliste, je suis en veille constante de l'évolution de ce pays, empreint d'un dynamisme étourdissant, peut-être trop enivrant pour ne pas être parfois inquiétant. Ecrivain j'y trouve mon inspiration en regardant en curieux insatiable, tous ces petits riens qui font la vie quotidienne. Ce pays je le connais de fond en comble sur le bout des roues de ma moto, et je peux vous dire qu'il mérite le détour ! Il est mille et une façons de le découvrir, à condition d'y venir en visiteur et non en simple passant. Déjà, tous ceux qui y habitent et qui sont sur ce forum, donnent des conseils ( parfois imprudents !), mais toujours sincères et trempés à l'encre de leur amour pour leur pays. Heureux si je peux m'y ajouter, pour vous aider à vivre votre rêve au pays du Sud Lointain. A bientôt dans mon pays Nhaqué
Découvrir et aimer le Vietnam...
by Nhaqué
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour aux forumistes, ce post est un témoignage d'amour pour le Vietnam,
J'ai découvert ce forum sur le Vietnam, il y a quelques jours, et ce que j'y lis est surprenant : émouvant par les témoignages vécus ( car derrière les lignes on sent vibrer la passion pour le Vietnam, et comme toute passion on aime ou on n'aime pas de façon souvent irréductible), amusant parfois par la candeur de certains propos, agaçant peut-être quand la force de conviction fait place à la force de dissuasion, et terrifiant quelquefois quand des affirmations sont données en dépit du bon sens en se donnant l'apparence de preuves irréfutables ! Notamment en ce qui concerne la santé et les enfants...Mais c'est toujours enrichissant. J'ai l'immense bonheur d'habiter au Vietnam, où j'ai immigré il y a quelques années après l'avoir pratiqué depuis plus de 20 ans. Je l'ai vu se transformer au fil du temps, accueillant, au début 100 à 200 000 touristes par an, et aujourd'hui près de 4 000 000.J'ai appris le vietnamien pour mieux en comprendre la culture et en saisir les nuances. Aujourd'hui, j'ai la chance d'y exercer plusieurs activités :pédiatre, journaliste, et écrivain. D'où mon vif intérêt pour tous ce que je lis dans les messages. Refusant de m'enfermer dans un cabinet ou un hôpital, je préfère intervenir à domicile, ce qui me donne l'occasion d'être en permanence au contact du Vietnam le plus profond, celui à côté duquel passe de nombreux voyageurs. La, j'y puise la force et la sérénité que seul peut avoir un pays qui a longtemps souffert. Journaliste, je suis en veille constante de l'évolution de ce pays, empreint d'un dynamisme étourdissant, peut-être trop enivrant pour ne pas être parfois inquiétant. Ecrivain j'y trouve mon inspiration en regardant en curieux insatiable, tous ces petits riens qui font la vie quotidienne. Ce pays je le connais de fond en comble sur le bout des roues de ma moto, et je peux vous dire qu'il mérite le détour ! Il est mille et une façons de le découvrir, à condition d'y venir en visiteur et non en simple passant. Déjà, tous ceux qui y habitent et qui sont sur ce forum, donnent des conseils ( parfois imprudents !), mais toujours sincères et trempés à l'encre de leur amour pour leur pays. Heureux si je peux m'y ajouter, pour vous aider à vivre votre rêve au pays du Sud Lointain. A bientôt dans mon pays Nhaqué
J'ai découvert ce forum sur le Vietnam, il y a quelques jours, et ce que j'y lis est surprenant : émouvant par les témoignages vécus ( car derrière les lignes on sent vibrer la passion pour le Vietnam, et comme toute passion on aime ou on n'aime pas de façon souvent irréductible), amusant parfois par la candeur de certains propos, agaçant peut-être quand la force de conviction fait place à la force de dissuasion, et terrifiant quelquefois quand des affirmations sont données en dépit du bon sens en se donnant l'apparence de preuves irréfutables ! Notamment en ce qui concerne la santé et les enfants...Mais c'est toujours enrichissant. J'ai l'immense bonheur d'habiter au Vietnam, où j'ai immigré il y a quelques années après l'avoir pratiqué depuis plus de 20 ans. Je l'ai vu se transformer au fil du temps, accueillant, au début 100 à 200 000 touristes par an, et aujourd'hui près de 4 000 000.J'ai appris le vietnamien pour mieux en comprendre la culture et en saisir les nuances. Aujourd'hui, j'ai la chance d'y exercer plusieurs activités :pédiatre, journaliste, et écrivain. D'où mon vif intérêt pour tous ce que je lis dans les messages. Refusant de m'enfermer dans un cabinet ou un hôpital, je préfère intervenir à domicile, ce qui me donne l'occasion d'être en permanence au contact du Vietnam le plus profond, celui à côté duquel passe de nombreux voyageurs. La, j'y puise la force et la sérénité que seul peut avoir un pays qui a longtemps souffert. Journaliste, je suis en veille constante de l'évolution de ce pays, empreint d'un dynamisme étourdissant, peut-être trop enivrant pour ne pas être parfois inquiétant. Ecrivain j'y trouve mon inspiration en regardant en curieux insatiable, tous ces petits riens qui font la vie quotidienne. Ce pays je le connais de fond en comble sur le bout des roues de ma moto, et je peux vous dire qu'il mérite le détour ! Il est mille et une façons de le découvrir, à condition d'y venir en visiteur et non en simple passant. Déjà, tous ceux qui y habitent et qui sont sur ce forum, donnent des conseils ( parfois imprudents !), mais toujours sincères et trempés à l'encre de leur amour pour leur pays. Heureux si je peux m'y ajouter, pour vous aider à vivre votre rêve au pays du Sud Lointain. A bientôt dans mon pays Nhaqué
pédiatre, journaliste, et écrivain
En tant que journaliste, connais-tu Gérard Bonnafont?🙂
En tant que journaliste, connais-tu Gérard Bonnafont?🙂
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Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Bonjour Nhaqué,
Très joli message.........🙂🙂🙂 (Ceux qui fréquentent régulièrement ce forum, ont d'ailleurs je pense tout de suite compris que tu connaissais bien ce pays !) Cela fait toujours plaisir de lire de tels témoignages, lorsque l'on partage cet amour. Merci à toi ! Tes infos seront précieuses pour les futurs voyageurs, et pardon si notre vision du Vietnam n'est pas toujours conforme à la réalité... C'est difficile en tant que simples touristes que nous sommes, (pour la plupart d'entre nous), de bien connaître ce pays. En tant que passionnés, nous essayons juste de le faire aimer autant que nous l'aimons, en répondant aux questions du mieux que possible. Mais l'expérience de chacun est différente...!!! En tout cas je suis d'accord avec toi, ce pays en mouvement perpétuel est fascinant, c'est comme tu dis ces petits riens de la vie de tous les jours qui m'a fascinée d'emblée, cette découverte du quotidien et des gens, leur culture, leur force. Ajouté à cela, des paysages exceptionnels, et pour moi une "photogénie" inépuisable... Tu as raison, le Vietnam vaut le détour et possède des richesses immenses ! Le seul fait d'en parler, suffit à me replonger dans l'ambiance et à me faire rêver.......
Cordialement. www.asimania.com
Très joli message.........🙂🙂🙂 (Ceux qui fréquentent régulièrement ce forum, ont d'ailleurs je pense tout de suite compris que tu connaissais bien ce pays !) Cela fait toujours plaisir de lire de tels témoignages, lorsque l'on partage cet amour. Merci à toi ! Tes infos seront précieuses pour les futurs voyageurs, et pardon si notre vision du Vietnam n'est pas toujours conforme à la réalité... C'est difficile en tant que simples touristes que nous sommes, (pour la plupart d'entre nous), de bien connaître ce pays. En tant que passionnés, nous essayons juste de le faire aimer autant que nous l'aimons, en répondant aux questions du mieux que possible. Mais l'expérience de chacun est différente...!!! En tout cas je suis d'accord avec toi, ce pays en mouvement perpétuel est fascinant, c'est comme tu dis ces petits riens de la vie de tous les jours qui m'a fascinée d'emblée, cette découverte du quotidien et des gens, leur culture, leur force. Ajouté à cela, des paysages exceptionnels, et pour moi une "photogénie" inépuisable... Tu as raison, le Vietnam vaut le détour et possède des richesses immenses ! Le seul fait d'en parler, suffit à me replonger dans l'ambiance et à me faire rêver.......
Cordialement. www.asimania.com
Et moi j'avais repéré tes messages sans fautes d'orthographe 😉 😏 et ton pseudo parce que c'est un des premiers mots vietnamiens que j'ai entendu lorsque j'étais enfant...
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Bonsoir,
Je me perds en conjectures sur la signification de votre phrase concernant le pseudo de ce forumiste qui aime autant "notre"Vietnam que nous tous. -Je pensais naïvement que ce mot avait une connotation quelque peu, dirons-nous, peu amicale., voire péjorative..🤪
Quoi qu'il en soit, cela fait chaud au coeur de voir qu'il y a - dois-je dire "encore" beaucoup d'amoureux du Vietnam - Personnellement, je ne comprends pas qu'on puisse ne pas l'aimer.. chaque séjour me fait l'effet d'une tranche de paradis... le retour en France n'en est que plus pénible. - la vie trépidante, bruyante sans doute, mais tellement vivante des rues d'Hanoi me manque énormément - avec un peu d'observation et d'intérêt, on peut deviner la vie de chacun, leurs soucis, leurs bonheurs et de séjour en séjour, j'ai la faiblesse de croire qu'ils ont une espèce de sympathie pour nous autres les "long stay" - à chaque retour, nous sommes reconnus et fêtés, même au coin des rues, par tous ceux qui font partie de notre quotidien pendant des mois - un vrai bonheur ! il y en a même qui croient que nous sommes installés définitivement là..et les autres se demandent ce que nous attendons pour le faire ..
Je suis comme Ming 2, rien que d'en parler ça me fait rêver de ce magnifique pays et de ses habitants - d'ailleurs, y a-t-il beaucoup de mauvais retours de touristes qui n'ont vraiment pas aimé ? - peut-être, mais pour avoir trainé mon sac à dos et mes baskets sur une grande partie de notre planète : je dirai une seule chose : ceux-là, certainement, ne se plaisent vraiment nulle part!..🙁😐🤪 Ce n'est pas le pays qui ne leur convient pas, ce sont leurs yeux qui ne voient pas ..
Amicalement - Kimtwo -
Je me perds en conjectures sur la signification de votre phrase concernant le pseudo de ce forumiste qui aime autant "notre"Vietnam que nous tous. -Je pensais naïvement que ce mot avait une connotation quelque peu, dirons-nous, peu amicale., voire péjorative..🤪
Quoi qu'il en soit, cela fait chaud au coeur de voir qu'il y a - dois-je dire "encore" beaucoup d'amoureux du Vietnam - Personnellement, je ne comprends pas qu'on puisse ne pas l'aimer.. chaque séjour me fait l'effet d'une tranche de paradis... le retour en France n'en est que plus pénible. - la vie trépidante, bruyante sans doute, mais tellement vivante des rues d'Hanoi me manque énormément - avec un peu d'observation et d'intérêt, on peut deviner la vie de chacun, leurs soucis, leurs bonheurs et de séjour en séjour, j'ai la faiblesse de croire qu'ils ont une espèce de sympathie pour nous autres les "long stay" - à chaque retour, nous sommes reconnus et fêtés, même au coin des rues, par tous ceux qui font partie de notre quotidien pendant des mois - un vrai bonheur ! il y en a même qui croient que nous sommes installés définitivement là..et les autres se demandent ce que nous attendons pour le faire ..
Je suis comme Ming 2, rien que d'en parler ça me fait rêver de ce magnifique pays et de ses habitants - d'ailleurs, y a-t-il beaucoup de mauvais retours de touristes qui n'ont vraiment pas aimé ? - peut-être, mais pour avoir trainé mon sac à dos et mes baskets sur une grande partie de notre planète : je dirai une seule chose : ceux-là, certainement, ne se plaisent vraiment nulle part!..🙁😐🤪 Ce n'est pas le pays qui ne leur convient pas, ce sont leurs yeux qui ne voient pas ..
Amicalement - Kimtwo -
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..
Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
Je pensais naïvement que ce mot avait une connotation quelque peu, dirons-nous, peu amicale., voire péjorative..
C'est tout à fait ça... Cela m'a rappelé l'école primaire et les mots effectivement peu amicaux que peuvent s'échanger les enfants dans la cour de récré (il y a presque 50 ans, dans un petit village des Landes, les "étrangers" n'étaient pas si nombreux...).
Alors ce mot choisi pour pseudo m'a interpelée et même fait sourire... 🙂
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Bon, j'explique le pseudo !
En vietnamien, nhà quê veut dire péquenot. Autrefois, il désignait le paysan ignare, juste bon à cultiver la terre au lieu de lui-même. ce terme a été repris par les colonialistes pour désigner tous les paysans, parce que plus facile à prononcer que câp nông dân, et aussi pour affirmer la supériorité du colon, par définition civilisé et cultivé (!?), sur cette population autochtone, obligatoirement inculte puisqu'il fallait lui apporter la civilisation (!?). Puis pendant la guerre d'Indochine, les militaires ont repris ce mot pour désigner tous ceux qui n'étaient pas de leur camp, avant de parler de viêt, car, comme tout le monde le sait, tous les paysans étaient forcément des révolutionnaires communistes (!?). Très vite, ce mot est arrivé en France, dans son sens le plus péjoratif pour désigner tous les immigrés d'Indochine, confondant sous le mot nhaqué ou nhaq, les laotiens, vitenamiens, cambodgiens, voire chinois et thailandais, tous ceux qui avaient fuit guerre, répression, génocide...Notre France si accueillante, mère des droits de l'homme, a une propension extraordinaire à baptiser les étrangers qu'elle accueille: polaks, espingouins, ritals, bougnoules, nhaqs, ...
Voila pour les faits. Si j'ai choisi ce pseudo, c'est pour dire qu'ici, malgré mes titres universitaires, ma condition sociale, ma culture judéo-chrétienne millénaire, je suis comme un péquenot qui découvre chaque jour qu'il ne connaît rien à cette culture encore plus ancienne que celle de son pays natal, et qu'il doit rester suffisamment humble pour ne pas croire que la vérité vient de l'Occident. Voir, entendre, partager, comprendre avant de juger et d'imposer ces idées... Voila pourquoi nhaqué
Hen gap lai tat ca ban
Nhaqué
Bonjour,
Merci pour toutes ces explications qui profiteront, je n'en doute pas, à la majorité des lecteurs du forum : personnellement, il y a bien longtemps que je connaissais ce mot et sa signification peu charitable 😕 !.. ce qui m'avait troublée, c'est que je pensais, à tort, que Margouillat avait été scolarisée au Vietnam quand elle est petite... et là je ne comprenais pas bien pourquoi des congénères la traitaient de telle manière !!! Ceci étant dit, ça n'excuse en rien le comportement qui consiste à traiter l'autre de cette façon quasi vexatoire.-
Bonne journée : il est encore temps : il doit être aux alentours de 14 heures "là-bas" -
Cordialement - Kimtwo -
Merci pour toutes ces explications qui profiteront, je n'en doute pas, à la majorité des lecteurs du forum : personnellement, il y a bien longtemps que je connaissais ce mot et sa signification peu charitable 😕 !.. ce qui m'avait troublée, c'est que je pensais, à tort, que Margouillat avait été scolarisée au Vietnam quand elle est petite... et là je ne comprenais pas bien pourquoi des congénères la traitaient de telle manière !!! Ceci étant dit, ça n'excuse en rien le comportement qui consiste à traiter l'autre de cette façon quasi vexatoire.-
Bonne journée : il est encore temps : il doit être aux alentours de 14 heures "là-bas" -
Cordialement - Kimtwo -
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..
Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
Bonjour margouillat,
C'est vrai que les gamins sont souvent méchants dans les cours d'école...... Mais je pense que c'est surtout le côté amusant et phonétique du mot, "Nia koué", qui leur donnait envie de se moquer, tout comme le mot "Chintoc"..... Pour des gamins, cela sonne de façon rigolote, ils n'ont aucune idée par contre de la signification.
Le pseudo de Nhaque, m'avait bien sûr interpelée moi aussi, et je connaissais bien sa connotation péjorative, voire insultante...
Il y avait aussi dans ma classe, (des Landes! Puisque nous sommes voisines), une vietnamienne d'une dizaine d'années, très réservée et un peu mise à l'écart, mais je ne crois pas que l'on se moquait. Pour ma part, j'étais très attirée par elle, par sa beauté, cette discussion m'a rappelé cela et m'a fait penser que mon attirance pour les asiatiques et vietnamiens plus particulièrement, remonte à bien longtemps......
C'est vrai que les gamins sont souvent méchants dans les cours d'école...... Mais je pense que c'est surtout le côté amusant et phonétique du mot, "Nia koué", qui leur donnait envie de se moquer, tout comme le mot "Chintoc"..... Pour des gamins, cela sonne de façon rigolote, ils n'ont aucune idée par contre de la signification.
Le pseudo de Nhaque, m'avait bien sûr interpelée moi aussi, et je connaissais bien sa connotation péjorative, voire insultante...
Il y avait aussi dans ma classe, (des Landes! Puisque nous sommes voisines), une vietnamienne d'une dizaine d'années, très réservée et un peu mise à l'écart, mais je ne crois pas que l'on se moquait. Pour ma part, j'étais très attirée par elle, par sa beauté, cette discussion m'a rappelé cela et m'a fait penser que mon attirance pour les asiatiques et vietnamiens plus particulièrement, remonte à bien longtemps......
Il y avait aussi dans ma classe, (des Landes! Puisque nous sommes voisines), une vietnamienne d'une dizaine d'années, très réservée et un peu mise à l'écart, mais je ne crois pas que l'on se moquait.
Pour ma part, j'étais très attirée par elle, par sa beauté
J'adore la photo de la fille de ton avatar🙂
Quand je lis tes lignes, on retrouve sa joie et sa serennité.
J'adore la photo de la fille de ton avatar🙂
Quand je lis tes lignes, on retrouve sa joie et sa serennité.
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Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Merci Abalone...
Ben oui, c'est comme ça, je trouve que les asiatiques sont d'une beauté parfaite.
Et les enfants comme cette petite fille avec son sourire, me font craquer !
(C'est une photo d'une petite vendeuse sur la baie d'Along.)
(C'est une photo d'une petite vendeuse sur la baie d'Along.)
Voir, entendre, partager, comprendre avant de juger et d'imposer ces idées...
Comme Gérard Bonnafont que j'ai évoqué plus haut.
A nos jours, NhàQuê veut dire "Démodé" à la limite "Ignare", "Au courant de rien".
"Mây Nhà Quê quá di"🙂: "Tu n'es plus à la page". "T'es au courant de rien"
Dans cette expression où l'on s'adresse directement à un ami qui est son interlocuteur, cela a une connotation familiale.
Par contre, si vous utilisez "Nhà Quê" pour désigner quelqu'un à la troisième personne, c'est très méprisant: "Cái Thàng Nhà Quê Dó", "Bon Nhà Quê!", vous risquez de provoquer une bagarre.
Comme Gérard Bonnafont que j'ai évoqué plus haut.
A nos jours, NhàQuê veut dire "Démodé" à la limite "Ignare", "Au courant de rien".
"Mây Nhà Quê quá di"🙂: "Tu n'es plus à la page". "T'es au courant de rien"
Dans cette expression où l'on s'adresse directement à un ami qui est son interlocuteur, cela a une connotation familiale.
Par contre, si vous utilisez "Nhà Quê" pour désigner quelqu'un à la troisième personne, c'est très méprisant: "Cái Thàng Nhà Quê Dó", "Bon Nhà Quê!", vous risquez de provoquer une bagarre.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
"cette discussion m'a fait penser que mon attirance pour les asiatiques et vietnamiens plus particulièrement, remonte à bien longtemps"
Idem pour moi lorsque toute jeune en banlieue parisienne, quand les "braves gens" de Brassens jetaient à peine un regard méprisant sur une famille de Vietnamiens habitant un pavillon mitoyen au nôtre - allant jusqu'à dire qu'ils cuisinaient des choses innommables...et que j'étais la seule à leur dire bonjour par-dessus la clôture - j'ai mesuré, à ce moment, la détresse de ces "étrangers" et la basse vilennie de certains de nos concitoyens...j'aurais tout donné plour qu'ils sentent que "j'étais de leur côté" .- je n'ai jamais été traitée de la sorte au Vietnam.
Idem pour moi lorsque toute jeune en banlieue parisienne, quand les "braves gens" de Brassens jetaient à peine un regard méprisant sur une famille de Vietnamiens habitant un pavillon mitoyen au nôtre - allant jusqu'à dire qu'ils cuisinaient des choses innommables...et que j'étais la seule à leur dire bonjour par-dessus la clôture - j'ai mesuré, à ce moment, la détresse de ces "étrangers" et la basse vilennie de certains de nos concitoyens...j'aurais tout donné plour qu'ils sentent que "j'étais de leur côté" .- je n'ai jamais été traitée de la sorte au Vietnam.
Le vent et les turbulences sont l'oeuvre de Dieu, mais la voile et le gouvernail nous appartiennent..
Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
Voyager c'est aller de soi à soi, en passant par les autres (proverbe touareg)
Allo! C, est très jolie et inspirant ce que vous avez écrit...quels sont donc ses conseils imprudents que certains écrivent ...je pars seule pour un mois du sud au Nord ...je n, aime pas trop les grandes villes mais elles sont incontournables ...avez-vous des suggestions ??😏
Bonjour à vous
Vos mots mon beaucoup émus étant, moi même, une grande amoureuse du vietnam. J'alimente régulièrement mon blog de cette passsion!
Nous avons la même approche du pays, nous le regardons avec les mêmes yeux et nous y sentons bien.
Merci pour votre passion ( pédiatre) et vos actions.
Cordialement A bientôt sur Hanoi où je réside régulièrement
Vos mots mon beaucoup émus étant, moi même, une grande amoureuse du vietnam. J'alimente régulièrement mon blog de cette passsion!
Nous avons la même approche du pays, nous le regardons avec les mêmes yeux et nous y sentons bien.
Merci pour votre passion ( pédiatre) et vos actions.
Cordialement A bientôt sur Hanoi où je réside régulièrement
Opale pour www.vietnam-vagabondages.com
Xin chao Christine,
Quand je parle de conseils imprudents, rien de croustillant ! Je fais simplement allusion à ces affirmations qui parfois sont émises sur la seule base d'une expérience personnelle, sans être passées au crible de la vérification, mais qui donne l'impression d'être des vérités. Par exemple, j'ai le droit de dire que j'ai vécu telle ou telle expérience au Vietnam, mais je ne peux pas généraliser en disant que le Vietnam est comme ceci ou comme celà. Je pense notamment à tout ceux qui comme moi habitent au Vietnam, et qui de ce fait ont une crédibilité à priori sur ce qu'ils affirment. Cette crédibilité leur donne une responsabilité : celle d'être absolument certains que tout ce qu'ils disent est validé, vérifié, contrôlé. Dans le cas contraire celà peut mettre dans l'embarras des personnes qui une fois sur place, sur la base de conseils erronnés, peuvent vivre de vraies galères. bien évidemment je ne parle pas des sentiments et des émotions que l'on peut manifester face à un paysage, pour un endroit, ...Ils et elles appartiennent à chacun, et le lecteur peut les partager ou non. Je pense plutôt aux infos sur la santé, la sécurité, les lois, les règles de vie, les formalités, ce qui est autorisé, ce qui est interdit, ...Toutes choses qui méritent de ne pas dire n'importe quoi, si on n'est pas certain... Il m'arrive souvent d'entendre des points de vue radicaux sur le pays, du style "J'y suis ou j'y étais, donc je connais !" qui me surprennent tellement que je me demande si c'est bien au Vietnam que je vis ! Heureusement, la force d'un forum c'est le grand nombre, et en recoupant les avis peut déceler ce qui est solide de ce qui ne l'est pas. Une dernière chose: aimer passionnément ne doit pas vouloir dire aimer aveuglément !
Quand je parle de conseils imprudents, rien de croustillant ! Je fais simplement allusion à ces affirmations qui parfois sont émises sur la seule base d'une expérience personnelle, sans être passées au crible de la vérification, mais qui donne l'impression d'être des vérités. Par exemple, j'ai le droit de dire que j'ai vécu telle ou telle expérience au Vietnam, mais je ne peux pas généraliser en disant que le Vietnam est comme ceci ou comme celà. Je pense notamment à tout ceux qui comme moi habitent au Vietnam, et qui de ce fait ont une crédibilité à priori sur ce qu'ils affirment. Cette crédibilité leur donne une responsabilité : celle d'être absolument certains que tout ce qu'ils disent est validé, vérifié, contrôlé. Dans le cas contraire celà peut mettre dans l'embarras des personnes qui une fois sur place, sur la base de conseils erronnés, peuvent vivre de vraies galères. bien évidemment je ne parle pas des sentiments et des émotions que l'on peut manifester face à un paysage, pour un endroit, ...Ils et elles appartiennent à chacun, et le lecteur peut les partager ou non. Je pense plutôt aux infos sur la santé, la sécurité, les lois, les règles de vie, les formalités, ce qui est autorisé, ce qui est interdit, ...Toutes choses qui méritent de ne pas dire n'importe quoi, si on n'est pas certain... Il m'arrive souvent d'entendre des points de vue radicaux sur le pays, du style "J'y suis ou j'y étais, donc je connais !" qui me surprennent tellement que je me demande si c'est bien au Vietnam que je vis ! Heureusement, la force d'un forum c'est le grand nombre, et en recoupant les avis peut déceler ce qui est solide de ce qui ne l'est pas. Une dernière chose: aimer passionnément ne doit pas vouloir dire aimer aveuglément !
la force d'un forum c'est le grand nombre, et en recoupant les avis peut déceler ce qui est solide de ce qui ne l'est pas.
Une dernière chose: aimer passionnément ne doit pas vouloir dire aimer aveuglément !
Je vous souhaite une longue vie sur voyageforum🙂
Quand vous aurez survécu à toutes les manoeuvres d'intimidation, à toutes les attaques personnelles, à toutes les désinformations sans vaciller, alors vous pouvez rejoindre le club de la notoriété et de la crédibilité.
Mong anh dùng nói móc, nói xéo, nói mia ban bè bà con cô bác. Anh se làm mât lòng tât ca moi nguoi môt cách vô ích.
Je vous souhaite une longue vie sur voyageforum🙂
Quand vous aurez survécu à toutes les manoeuvres d'intimidation, à toutes les attaques personnelles, à toutes les désinformations sans vaciller, alors vous pouvez rejoindre le club de la notoriété et de la crédibilité.
Mong anh dùng nói móc, nói xéo, nói mia ban bè bà con cô bác. Anh se làm mât lòng tât ca moi nguoi môt cách vô ích.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Mong anh dùng nói móc, nói xéo, nói mia ban bè bà con cô bác. Anh se làm mât lòng tât ca moi nguoi môt cách vô ích.
C'est exactement ce que je voulais dire 🤪
C'est exactement ce que je voulais dire 🤪
Le mauvais goût ou les opinions bizarres rendent la coexistence très difficile, mais leur interdiction la rend absolument impossible.
Daniel Innenarity
Vietnam quand tu nous tiens !!!!
Juste pour apporter mon petit grain de sel à la conversation. J'ai tout d'abord épousé un métis vietnamien (maman viet et papa français) et cela voici 37 ans.
Quand nous avons voulu chercher un appart après nous être mariés, lors d'une visite, une habitante a clairement dit "Nous allons être envahis par les chinois". Elle s'est fait remettre à sa place vite fait (si bien qu'après elle ne voulait plus avoir affaire qu'avec mon mari) bref. Notre histoire, nous l'avons vécue et nous la vivons encore avec bien des regards en coin mais peu importe.
Après un vietnamien, c'est le pays qui m'a conquise, je m'y suis sentie tout de suite chez moi. Y aller est un réel bonheur. J'ai vu des gens nous regarder en souriant, nous faire un petit salut alors que dans mon pays le regard que nous porte les autres est différent mais peu importe. J'aime cultiver cette différence qui peut déranger.
Le Vietnam, mon mari l'a retrouvé avec joie et mon fils et moi l'avons tout simplement "aimé".
Bonne journée à toutes et tous
Nadine
Nous ne sommes que des petits grains de sable posés sur la plage de l'univers
Prenons le temps de vivre, nous prendrons bien celui de mourir
😉 😉 Xin cam on Nhà quê, Belle démonstration de votre attachement à cette terre extrême-orientale, par ailleurs si chère à mon propre cœur ; MERCI Nha Quê.
Petite remarque, toutefois : le racourci et argotique NIAK, je ne l'ai jamais entendu en France provenant des Français " purs camembert, baguette et béret basque " et ce depuis 1955 lorsque je débarquai à Marseille en provenance... du Viet Nam. En revanche, je l'ai entendu tout au long des dix-neuf premières années de ma vie passées en pension ou au bahut entre Da Lat, Nha Trang et Sai Gon prononcé par beucoup de blancs de passage ou fixés pour quelques années en Indochine, voire plus.
Quant à moi, le vocable m'a toujours été étranger, non pas à cause de mon quart de sang viêt, mais parce j'estimais que ce fût m'insulter moi-même que m'adonner à une telle bassesse ; il est vrai que les conflits de sales gosses qui m'opposaient alors à mes alter ego viêts se soldait souvent par d'autres qualificatifs grossiers qui faisaient l'aller retour entre nous et du genre :
Bu cac - du ma mai - cho de - toi cha - an cut cho, etc...
Xin chao Em trai Nhà quê va hen gap lai.
Vietalier.
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
<< aimer passionnément ne doit pas vouloir dire aimer aveuglément ! >>
Tout à fait pertinent, BRAVO ! " Dung gio "... Vietalier
Tout à fait pertinent, BRAVO ! " Dung gio "... Vietalier
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
Bu cac - du ma mai - cho de - toi cha - an cut cho, etc...
Sais-tu comment distinguer entre les insultes du Sud et celles du Nord?🙂
Sais-tu comment distinguer entre les insultes du Sud et celles du Nord?🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Né au Centre et ayant essentiellement vécu entre Centre et Sud, je ne connais du Nord que :
DIT ME ou encore KHO NAN et MUT BUEI dont je ne garantis pas l'orthographe ; quant à ton truc imparable pour faire le distingo entre Nord et Sud, je veux bien que tu puisses me l'indiquer.
Merci d'avance et à bientôt — Vietalier
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
ABALONE,
A ta question sur la différnce entre les injures du Nord et celles du Sud du Viet Nam, j'ai fourni une réponse, mais toi, au lieu de revenir t'en entretenir avec moi, tu préfères aller faire des digressions quoc ngu avec Digambara auxquelles personne n'a rien compris ; crois-tu être plus malin maintenant ?
Vietalier
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
A ta question sur la différnce entre les injures du Nord et celles du Sud du Viet Nam
Tu veux vraiment te cultiver dans cette discipline?🙂
Les oreilles chastes n'ont qu'à les boucher!
Avant de te donner une réponse toute faite, voici deux exemples de ce qui fait la différence entre le Sud et le Nord.
- Dans le Sud: Du Me Mây et dans le Nord: Tiên Su Bô Mây - Dans le Sud: Di Me Mây et dans le Nord: Lôn Me Mây Nhu Cái Thúng, Dúa Nào Chui Vô Cung Duoc.
Tu veux vraiment te cultiver dans cette discipline?🙂
Les oreilles chastes n'ont qu'à les boucher!
Avant de te donner une réponse toute faite, voici deux exemples de ce qui fait la différence entre le Sud et le Nord.
- Dans le Sud: Du Me Mây et dans le Nord: Tiên Su Bô Mây - Dans le Sud: Di Me Mây et dans le Nord: Lôn Me Mây Nhu Cái Thúng, Dúa Nào Chui Vô Cung Duoc.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
PEUT-ÊTRE,
Mais je ne comprends toujours pas pourquoi tu m'as demandé si je savais cette différence ; maintenant, sache que si la grossièreté ne m'effraie pas, je n'en suis pas, et de loin, un " aficionado ". POINT FINAL.
Vietalier
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
Mais je ne comprends toujours pas pourquoi tu m'as demandé si je savais cette différence
C'était parce que dans une réponse au post, tu étales ton savoir avec une pétarade de: "Bu cac - du ma mai - cho de - toi cha - an cut cho, etc..."
Visiblement tu as l'air d'être connaisseur, ce pourquoi je voulais savoir jusqu'où tu en connais, en posant la question sur la manière d'insulter dans le Sud et dans le Nord du Pays.
Tu as l'air d'être curieux de tout, mais c'est dommage que tu voulais y mettre POINT FINAL, alors je garde le secret pour moi🙂
C'était parce que dans une réponse au post, tu étales ton savoir avec une pétarade de: "Bu cac - du ma mai - cho de - toi cha - an cut cho, etc..."
Visiblement tu as l'air d'être connaisseur, ce pourquoi je voulais savoir jusqu'où tu en connais, en posant la question sur la manière d'insulter dans le Sud et dans le Nord du Pays.
Tu as l'air d'être curieux de tout, mais c'est dommage que tu voulais y mettre POINT FINAL, alors je garde le secret pour moi🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Bonjour Nhaque et ami du forum..
Premièrement ..Merci pour vos conseils (Nhaque et Abalone et Patricia ) vous avez toujours pris du temps pour répondre aux gens..
Deuxièmement ..Merci pour l'amour que vous portez pour le peuple du Vietnam..
A bientôt peut être au Vietnam autour d'un café.. (j'y vais deux fois par an et je suis sur que je connais moins bien mon pays que Nhaque et Abalone et pourtant j'ai pas mal rodé..moins depuis 2 ou 3 ans) Mes amitiés Tam
A bientôt peut être au Vietnam autour d'un café.. (j'y vais deux fois par an et je suis sur que je connais moins bien mon pays que Nhaque et Abalone et pourtant j'ai pas mal rodé..moins depuis 2 ou 3 ans) Mes amitiés Tam
😉 Xin chao Abalone,
Parler de savoir et de culture à propos des différentes manières d'insulter qui seraient propres au Sud ou bien au Nord du Viet Nam, je ne crois pas qu'il s'agisse d'une démarche qui nous mènera loin ; je préfère me cantonner dans la politesse ordinaire et le langage normal, surtout lorsque je converse avec mes amis Vietnamiens ; je pense, en effet, avoir tout à y gagner... "Respecter les autres, c'est se respecter soi-même..."
Alors, et je me répète :
si la grossièreté ne m'effraie pas, je n'en suis pas, et de loin, un " aficionado "
Quant au POINT FINAL, qui m'a échappé, je le retire car je considère que nous avons encore beaucoup d'autres choses à échanger et qu'il serait dommage de ne plus se parler ou de s'ignorer.
Je reste ouvert aux discussions dont tu voudras bien m'entretenir et je te souhaite le bonsoir.
Vietalier 😏
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
Parler de savoir et de culture à propos des différentes manières d'insulter qui seraient propres au Sud ou bien au Nord du Viet Nam, je ne crois pas qu'il s'agisse d'une démarche qui nous mènera loin
Tu as tort🙂
Les insultes au VN ont des caractères particuliers qui intéressent des sociologues. Il existe même un institut qui étudie les différents aspects des insultes à travers l'âge, le niveau culurel, les différentes régions au Viêtnam. Ces études sont même publiées dans des documents sérieux.
J'ai bien compris que le POINT FINAL concerne le sujet des insultes, ce pourquoi j'ai dit dommage, car c'est toi qui as commencé à en parler en premier.
Ces sujets m'intéressent autant que le comportement de nouveaux touristes qui font des exploits de calcul combien de dông ils sont arnaqués durant leur séjour au pays.
Tu as tort🙂
Les insultes au VN ont des caractères particuliers qui intéressent des sociologues. Il existe même un institut qui étudie les différents aspects des insultes à travers l'âge, le niveau culurel, les différentes régions au Viêtnam. Ces études sont même publiées dans des documents sérieux.
J'ai bien compris que le POINT FINAL concerne le sujet des insultes, ce pourquoi j'ai dit dommage, car c'est toi qui as commencé à en parler en premier.
Ces sujets m'intéressent autant que le comportement de nouveaux touristes qui font des exploits de calcul combien de dông ils sont arnaqués durant leur séjour au pays.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Cher Nhaqué,
En parcourant ces quelques lignes, j'ai presque la certitude qu'elles proviennent de ce "Nhaqué" que j'ai récupéré à Lille, il y a quelques semaines... J'espère que tu consultes encore ce forum et que tu pourras me contacter le plus rapidement possible, car de mon côté, c'est en vain que j'essaye de prendre contact!!! Patrick
En parcourant ces quelques lignes, j'ai presque la certitude qu'elles proviennent de ce "Nhaqué" que j'ai récupéré à Lille, il y a quelques semaines... J'espère que tu consultes encore ce forum et que tu pourras me contacter le plus rapidement possible, car de mon côté, c'est en vain que j'essaye de prendre contact!!! Patrick
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Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
