Deux filles au Maroc: désert et vertige
by Desneige
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour
Ma soeur et moi dans la quarantaine a besoin information
Nous aimont faire de la route
Alors voila pour la route Fès, Midelt, Merzouga, Ouarzazate, Marrakech, nous voulons louer voiture automatique
Est ce possible de faire le grand Sud en voiture automatique.
Et le problème , j'ai peur d'avoir le vertige en conduisant dans les hauteurs, un peu comme le mal de mer qui ne se contrôle pas.🤪
S.V.P. donné moi votre avis
Merci
Bonjour Sylvie ,
Je vais vous rassurer tout de suite.En octobre, on a fait ce voyage dans le sud du Maroc.On était 2 amies et c'était notre 1er voyage au Maroc .On avait loué
une voiture , on avait traversé la montagne sans se faire peur, on a passé de superbes vacances dans les oasis et dans le désert .
Ne vous tracassez pas.
Bonjour,
La difficulté sera surtout de trouver à louer une voiture au Maroc avec une boite auto. Surtout en petite voiture ! Pratiquement toutes sont en boite manuelle.
Si vous louez votre véhicule à Fès et le rendez dans une autre ville, marrakech par exemple, vous aurez un surcoût à payer, autour de 80 €.
Dans l'itinéraire que vous prévoyez, tout bitumé, vous ne conduirez pas dans des hauteurs vertigineuses ! Le plus haut sera le col du Tichka, entre Ouarzazate et Marrakech à passer, mais c'est une route de montagne très fréquentée, même les camions l'empruntent !
La difficulté sera surtout de trouver à louer une voiture au Maroc avec une boite auto. Surtout en petite voiture ! Pratiquement toutes sont en boite manuelle.
Si vous louez votre véhicule à Fès et le rendez dans une autre ville, marrakech par exemple, vous aurez un surcoût à payer, autour de 80 €.
Dans l'itinéraire que vous prévoyez, tout bitumé, vous ne conduirez pas dans des hauteurs vertigineuses ! Le plus haut sera le col du Tichka, entre Ouarzazate et Marrakech à passer, mais c'est une route de montagne très fréquentée, même les camions l'empruntent !
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
Merci Dd
Je te trouve rassurante
J'ai eu mauvais feeling au mont Ventoux en France
et le même dans la descente de la côte des Éboulements au Québec
tellement que je tremblais, grosse sueur, panique...
Ce qui me fait un peu peur ce n'est pas la route, les voitures ou la vitesse
seulement les ravins et les hautes et grandes descentes.
Un peu d'adrénaline j'aime mais avec une certaine limite
Avez vous passé par Tzi-n-Test et la route avait l'air comment.
Un gros merci pour ta réponse 🙂
Bonjour,
Si vous craignez d'avoir le "mal des montagnes"comme celui du mal de mer, il y a un médicament très efficace, c'est le "mercalme"mais il calme tellement qu'il vaut mieux ne pas conduire dans les cols du haut atlas, après l'avoir pris!😉
Pour le tizi n' test, il est un peu plus "sport" que le tichka, particulièrement sous la pluie.
Cdlt
patrick
marche à l'étoile meme si elle est trop haute
(Alexandra David- Neel)
voyager n'est pas arrivé mais parcourir le chemin(stevenson)
Moi je ne vais pas être optimiste comme les autres, parce que j'ai le vertige, et très honnêtement, la route de Tichka, il y a des moments où je déglutis encore de travers alors que je l'ai faite des centaines de fois. J'ai fait la côte des éboulements, sans aucune angoisse, sans rien remarquer.
Tichka, ou Tizi n Test, ce sont des routes de montages, avec de très gros a pic. Et quand tu es en haut de Tichka et que tu commences la descente, il y a un moment où tu vois la route, avec le vide de part et d'autre, et quand on a le vertige ça fout les jetons, il n'y a pas d'autre mot.
La première fois que j'ai conduit au Maroc, j'ai du m'arrêter, pour laisser le volant.
Avec ce que tu donnes comme exemples, je crains que ce soit la même chose pour toi. Donc tu as le choix : - éviter les routes de montagne (mais ça va beaucoup te limiter) - prendre le bus (au moins tu peux te mettre au milieu et ne pas voir) - monter dans un taxi ou prendre une voiture avec chauffeur : ce n'est pas beaucoup plus cher qu'une voiture normale, et tu n'auras pas en plus l'angoisse combinée de la montagne et du coup de débrayage en urgence parce qu'il y a un truc pas prévu en face de toi sur la route...
Réfléchis bien parce que une fois que tu seras sur la route de Tichka, pas le choix, il faut traverser...
Tichka, ou Tizi n Test, ce sont des routes de montages, avec de très gros a pic. Et quand tu es en haut de Tichka et que tu commences la descente, il y a un moment où tu vois la route, avec le vide de part et d'autre, et quand on a le vertige ça fout les jetons, il n'y a pas d'autre mot.
La première fois que j'ai conduit au Maroc, j'ai du m'arrêter, pour laisser le volant.
Avec ce que tu donnes comme exemples, je crains que ce soit la même chose pour toi. Donc tu as le choix : - éviter les routes de montagne (mais ça va beaucoup te limiter) - prendre le bus (au moins tu peux te mettre au milieu et ne pas voir) - monter dans un taxi ou prendre une voiture avec chauffeur : ce n'est pas beaucoup plus cher qu'une voiture normale, et tu n'auras pas en plus l'angoisse combinée de la montagne et du coup de débrayage en urgence parce qu'il y a un truc pas prévu en face de toi sur la route...
Réfléchis bien parce que une fois que tu seras sur la route de Tichka, pas le choix, il faut traverser...
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
monter dans un taxi
Aïe! 🤪
Aïe! 🤪
Pourquoi aïe ?
Le vertige n'est pas la peur de la conduite, ou de la route. C'est une réaction physique à la vision d'un aplomb
A partir du moment où tu ne conduis pas et où tu peux, au pire, baisser les yeux, tu vas oublier ton vertige.
Après si la conduite marocaine stresse, c'est autre chose :D
A partir du moment où tu ne conduis pas et où tu peux, au pire, baisser les yeux, tu vas oublier ton vertige.
Après si la conduite marocaine stresse, c'est autre chose :D
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
Pourquoi aïe ?
Tu connais certainement la façon de conduire des chauffeurs de grands taxis... Même les yeux fermés, pour quelqu'un qui craint les routes sinueuses de montagne et ne connaît pas les routes marocaines, c'est l'aventure avec un grand A! 😉
Tu connais certainement la façon de conduire des chauffeurs de grands taxis... Même les yeux fermés, pour quelqu'un qui craint les routes sinueuses de montagne et ne connaît pas les routes marocaines, c'est l'aventure avec un grand A! 😉
Je connais très bien le sud et ses routes , c'est vrai vous pouvez bien profiter des paysages si vous louez une voiture mais
le danger c'est les virages entre Midelt et vers Warzazet , le chauffeur des grands taxis , les bus ....le code de la route n'est pas respecté par tout le monde ....
Bonjour,
vous pouvez louée une voiture avec un chauffeur si possible , je crois c'est mieux afin d'éviter tous problèmes.
Pourquoi aïe ?
Tu connais certainement la façon de conduire des chauffeurs de grands taxis... Même les yeux fermés, pour quelqu'un qui craint les routes sinueuses de montagne et ne connaît pas les routes marocaines, c'est l'aventure avec un grand A! 😉
Tu confonds avoir "peur de la montagne" et "avoir le vertige". Les deux choses sont totalement différentes.
Pour info, la roue québecoise à laquelle Desneige fait allusion est une grande route toute droite, bien large, avec du plat de chaque côté, et qui simplement "plonge" assez abruptement.
Le vertige, c'est une sensation physique, qui est liée à ce qu'on voit, ou pas. ça n'a rien à voir avec la crainte au sens appréhension d'une condition de route, d'un mode de conduite ou d'un danger. ça m'est déjà arrivé d'avoir un gros vertige à 50 cm. de haut....
Tu connais certainement la façon de conduire des chauffeurs de grands taxis... Même les yeux fermés, pour quelqu'un qui craint les routes sinueuses de montagne et ne connaît pas les routes marocaines, c'est l'aventure avec un grand A! 😉
Tu confonds avoir "peur de la montagne" et "avoir le vertige". Les deux choses sont totalement différentes.
Pour info, la roue québecoise à laquelle Desneige fait allusion est une grande route toute droite, bien large, avec du plat de chaque côté, et qui simplement "plonge" assez abruptement.
Le vertige, c'est une sensation physique, qui est liée à ce qu'on voit, ou pas. ça n'a rien à voir avec la crainte au sens appréhension d'une condition de route, d'un mode de conduite ou d'un danger. ça m'est déjà arrivé d'avoir un gros vertige à 50 cm. de haut....
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
Comme le dit DD44, pas de souci, les routes sont bonnes.....et tout est accessible. Pourle vertige....normalement ça ne devrait pas arriver...plutot le mal des transports....vules virages dans le col. Mais en se concentrant sur la route il n'y a pas de raison d'avoir peur. rouler prudememnt quand-même et lorsque les routes sont étroites et que vous croisez ....mettez-vous sur le bas-côté (côté montagne) avant que l'autre ne vous y oblige !!! valable aussi sur les routes plates entre Merzouga et Ouarzazate.....!
Bon séjour
Bon séjour
Bonjour,
Je ne confonds rien, et sais ce qu'est le vertige... 🤪 Pourrais-tu m'expliquer en quoi le fait de prendre un grand taxi lui donnerait moins d'appréhension que de conduire elle-même? Vu leur façon de conduire, je ne pense pas que cela va la rassurer! C'était mon propos...
Je ne confonds rien, et sais ce qu'est le vertige... 🤪 Pourrais-tu m'expliquer en quoi le fait de prendre un grand taxi lui donnerait moins d'appréhension que de conduire elle-même? Vu leur façon de conduire, je ne pense pas que cela va la rassurer! C'était mon propos...
Coucou
si tu as compris la différence entre "vertige" qui est une réaction physique et "peur de la route et du mode de conduite" qui est une crainte raisonnée, tu comprends aussi que en conduisant soi même il est assez difficile de fermer les yeux pour ne pas voir ce qui provoque le vertige !
Pourrais-tu m'expliquer en quoi le fait de prendre un grand taxi lui donnerait moins d'appréhension que de conduire elle-même? Vu leur façon de conduire, je ne pense pas que cela va la rassurer!
J'ai beau être assez intrépide et bien conduire, j'aurais très peur de fermer les yeux en conduisant... vraiment 🙂
En revanche, être dans une situation où tu ne conduis pas, que ce soit avec un chauffeur, un taxi, un bus ou quelqu'un qui voyage avec toi permet de "pudiquement détourner son regard" et donc ... d'échapper au vertige ! (Testé et vérifié régulièrement)
On ne se "rassure pas" pour contrer un vertige, car ce n'est pas au départ, une peur, mais un problème physique (oreille interne, vision, etc...)
Pourrais-tu m'expliquer en quoi le fait de prendre un grand taxi lui donnerait moins d'appréhension que de conduire elle-même? Vu leur façon de conduire, je ne pense pas que cela va la rassurer!
J'ai beau être assez intrépide et bien conduire, j'aurais très peur de fermer les yeux en conduisant... vraiment 🙂
En revanche, être dans une situation où tu ne conduis pas, que ce soit avec un chauffeur, un taxi, un bus ou quelqu'un qui voyage avec toi permet de "pudiquement détourner son regard" et donc ... d'échapper au vertige ! (Testé et vérifié régulièrement)
On ne se "rassure pas" pour contrer un vertige, car ce n'est pas au départ, une peur, mais un problème physique (oreille interne, vision, etc...)
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
Bonsoir,
Il est certain que fermer les yeux dans un grand taxi conduisant sur une route de montagne marocaine est la meilleure solution pour ne pas voir sa mort venir!😉
Il est certain que fermer les yeux dans un grand taxi conduisant sur une route de montagne marocaine est la meilleure solution pour ne pas voir sa mort venir!😉
Si vous vous rendez compte que vous profiterez mieux de votre voyage de cette façon, vous avez raison.Cependant, pour avoir croisé lors de nos vacances, des touristes qui avaient fait ce choix, je me permets de vous conseiller de bien établir votre itinéraire vous-mêmes, de ne pas laisser le chauffeur décider à votre place des étapes à faire, de leur durée, des hébergements...Les gens qu'on a rencontrés étaient frustrés et déçus d'avoir laissé le chauffeur-guide organiser leur voyage et ils étaient convaincus que ce n'était pas une bonne solution.Ils avaient eu droit notamment aux arrêts-boutiques des cousins ou des amis chez lesquels le chauffeur avait son pourcentage, un ça va, tous les jours ils avaient fini par se fâcher...Soyez fermes!C'est vous qui payez, c'est vous qui décidez!
Ce sont de très sages conseils...
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
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Planned arrival on Sunday evening, November 16, 2025, in San José. Staying 3 nights, then taking a bus to Tortuguero for 2 nights. Looking for a shared shuttle to La Fortuna for 2 nights, then a van-boat-van combo to Santa Elena for 2 or 3 nights. Heading to Quepos for 4 nights for day trips using local buses—Jaco, San Antonio, Uvita. After that, a full-day bus ride to Cahuita. I’m booking hotels as I go, which gives me the flexibility to stay longer in places I like. I’m looking for accommodations in city centers near restaurants and not too far from the bus station. Budget: 50 € for a room with a private bathroom (if you’ve got any great tips!). For my finale, I’ll cross the land border to Panama City for 4 days. Thanks for your suggestions! 😉
As I mentioned before, I’m heading to Istanbul next summer, and I’ve heard there have been quite a few attacks by Kurds in Turkey recently, which is making me hesitate about my trip.
What do you all think? :( I’m wondering if it’s really a good idea to go...
What do you all think? :( I’m wondering if it’s really a good idea to go...
Hi everyone,
I’m 66 and just discovered solo travel in Uzbekistan—I loved it! So I’ve decided to explore Africa, starting with Senegal. I’m just beginning my research, but if anyone can give me advice on which month to go, what to see, and whether this destination is safe—or maybe suggest another African country—I’d really appreciate your tips!
Hi there!
We’re leaving in early November for a month.
Here’s our itinerary:
Arrival in Takhmau, then heading to:
Kampong Cham
Kratie – 2 days
Mondolkiri – 3 days
Ratanakiri – 3 days
Stung Treng – 1 day
Siem Reap – 4 days
Battambang – 1 day
Kampong Chhnang – 3 days
Kampot – 2 days
Islands (WE’RE HESITATING WHICH ONE?) – 4 DAYS
Phnom Penh – 2 days
That’s it! 😊
We’re backpacking… and we love spots that aren’t too touristy. If you’ve got any tips, we’re all ears!
Thanks
Hi there,
We’d like to stay in Switzerland for five days.
There are two of us (women).
We don’t know this country at all.
What cities or affordable spots would you recommend for visiting?
Cheap accommodation.
Looking for community-based options.
And being close to public transport.
Thanks for your tips and experiences!
Best regards.
Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone has taken a Rede Expressos bus from Lisbon Airport to Lagos, and if so, where exactly at the airport you need to board it? I’m worried I’ll get lost and miss my bus...
Hi again,
I’m adding more details to my info request. Here are two proposed itineraries. We’re hesitating:
Colombo - Unawatuna 2 days - Sinharaja 1 day - Bandarawela 2 days - Kandy 3 days - Dambulla 2 days - Wilpattu Park 1 day - Kalpitiya 3 days - Negombo 1 day
What should we change or add a day for to include Jaffna?
Or: Negombo 1 day - Anuradhapura 2 days - Jaffna 2 days - Sigiriya 2 days - Dambulla 1 day - Kandy 2 days - Ella 1 day - Galle 3 days For your advice. Is it better to finish in Galle or Kalpitiya? Thanks in advance! Nicole
Or: Negombo 1 day - Anuradhapura 2 days - Jaffna 2 days - Sigiriya 2 days - Dambulla 1 day - Kandy 2 days - Ella 1 day - Galle 3 days For your advice. Is it better to finish in Galle or Kalpitiya? Thanks in advance! Nicole
Hello everyone,
This is a warning message! I’d like to address it especially to young women traveling alone for the first time in India. Other travelers may react to my post based on their own experiences, but I think what I’m about to say shouldn’t be taken lightly—unless that’s what you’re looking for!
Last July, I traveled to Northern India. I stopped in Khajuraho to see the famous tantric temples. I stayed one night, and that was more than enough. Khajuraho is very touristy, but you should know that 80% of young Indian men there are "gigolos." Locals call these young men (aged 18 to 30) "playboys" or "Lapka" (which means "capture the woman" in Hindi)!!!
They approach tourists with kindness and politeness, offering tea or a motorcycle ride (which they’ve often gotten from generous Western female tourists) to waterfalls a few kilometers from Khajuraho or other tourist sites. After befriending you, they charm you—be careful, these are professionals who are very skilled at this; it’s all they do, and they do it well. They’ll offer you food, drinks, and even temple entry to confuse you. They’ll suggest spending the evening or even the night with them. **Refuse (unless you’re into local flings and that’s why you came)!!!!**
At first, you’ll be seduced by their generosity, let your guard down, and then they’ll make you believe in *true love*. They won’t leave you alone and will keep in touch via email or phone if you give them your details. The lines they use to soften you up and scam you include: *"I’m the only one taking care of my family, my brother is sick, I don’t know what to do..."* All of this is to manipulate you into offering them money. They’ll never ask for it outright (to avoid being exposed) but will wait for you to suggest it.
If you receive emails from them, they’ll never be signed, and their name won’t appear in the email address (to avoid leaving traces). They use fake names to avoid being reported. If you believe their sob stories and offer help, they’ll give you a bank account number to send money via Western Union. These young men make a living from this—selling their bodies and scamming people! They’re very skilled, charming, manipulative, and *big-time cheaters*!
(Especially one young man who goes by the alias *Tony*—apparently the most skilled. He lives in a hotel near the lake, *Krishna Cottage*, and is in regular contact via Skype with Western women he’s tricked into believing he loves them while shamelessly scamming them. He even opened an internet café on the roof of the hotel with money he stole from women who fell for his charm.)
So, young romantic women craving love, sensitive singles, or anyone emotionally vulnerable—**don’t let yourself be scammed!!!** This behavior is becoming more common in India and is still relatively unknown. Male prostitution is on the rise, and cases of romantic scams and financial fraud by gigolos are increasing.
This is a warning message! I’d like to address it especially to young women traveling alone for the first time in India. Other travelers may react to my post based on their own experiences, but I think what I’m about to say shouldn’t be taken lightly—unless that’s what you’re looking for!
Last July, I traveled to Northern India. I stopped in Khajuraho to see the famous tantric temples. I stayed one night, and that was more than enough. Khajuraho is very touristy, but you should know that 80% of young Indian men there are "gigolos." Locals call these young men (aged 18 to 30) "playboys" or "Lapka" (which means "capture the woman" in Hindi)!!!
They approach tourists with kindness and politeness, offering tea or a motorcycle ride (which they’ve often gotten from generous Western female tourists) to waterfalls a few kilometers from Khajuraho or other tourist sites. After befriending you, they charm you—be careful, these are professionals who are very skilled at this; it’s all they do, and they do it well. They’ll offer you food, drinks, and even temple entry to confuse you. They’ll suggest spending the evening or even the night with them. **Refuse (unless you’re into local flings and that’s why you came)!!!!**
At first, you’ll be seduced by their generosity, let your guard down, and then they’ll make you believe in *true love*. They won’t leave you alone and will keep in touch via email or phone if you give them your details. The lines they use to soften you up and scam you include: *"I’m the only one taking care of my family, my brother is sick, I don’t know what to do..."* All of this is to manipulate you into offering them money. They’ll never ask for it outright (to avoid being exposed) but will wait for you to suggest it.
If you receive emails from them, they’ll never be signed, and their name won’t appear in the email address (to avoid leaving traces). They use fake names to avoid being reported. If you believe their sob stories and offer help, they’ll give you a bank account number to send money via Western Union. These young men make a living from this—selling their bodies and scamming people! They’re very skilled, charming, manipulative, and *big-time cheaters*!
(Especially one young man who goes by the alias *Tony*—apparently the most skilled. He lives in a hotel near the lake, *Krishna Cottage*, and is in regular contact via Skype with Western women he’s tricked into believing he loves them while shamelessly scamming them. He even opened an internet café on the roof of the hotel with money he stole from women who fell for his charm.)
So, young romantic women craving love, sensitive singles, or anyone emotionally vulnerable—**don’t let yourself be scammed!!!** This behavior is becoming more common in India and is still relatively unknown. Male prostitution is on the rise, and cases of romantic scams and financial fraud by gigolos are increasing.
hi everyone! I’d like to visit Montreal and the surrounding areas in August, and I’ve got 3 weeks of vacation. I’m traveling alone and will be visiting my daughter, who recently moved there. She’ll be working and only available in the evenings! So I’m torn between spending a week in Montreal, then taking a flight to Cuba, and returning to France from Havana—or staying in Montreal and exploring the nearby areas alone.
For my first idea—going to Cuba—is it feasible in terms of administrative formalities and legality? And for my second idea, is it possible to take buses? If so, is it too expensive? And are there many places served by them?
Thanks for your advice! Jocelyne
For my first idea—going to Cuba—is it feasible in terms of administrative formalities and legality? And for my second idea, is it possible to take buses? If so, is it too expensive? And are there many places served by them?
Thanks for your advice! Jocelyne
From FES, I’d like to spend a few days in:
MEKNES
CHEFCHAOUEN
TETOUAN
and then return to FES.
I’m planning this trip in November.
Thanks for your tips!
I just got back from an unforgettable road trip in Madagascar where I drove down the legendary RN7. It connects Tana (the capital) to Tulear.
Since we were traveling as a group of girls, we decided to go with a guide. I’d never done an “organized” trip before, but I have to say we loved this first tailor-made travel experience.
From the highlands of the Red Island
down to the west coast, by the Mozambique Channel.
Vast landscapes as far as the eye can see
Human encounters
Discovering ancestral artisanal know-how
Sunsets over the ochre mountains
Intense, precious moments with my friends
We loved the mountains, visits to artisans, and the parties too ;-)
We used local guides to show us specific spots (like Isalo National Park, where we were able to bivouac)
Hi there,
My friend and I are traveling together between October and November 2025—no exact dates yet.
We’d love to step away from the typical travel agency packages and are hoping to rent a car locally and stay with locals, living with them rather than in a vacation rental.
Does anyone know if this is possible? Thanks in advance for your advice and tips! Warm regards to all
Does anyone know if this is possible? Thanks in advance for your advice and tips! Warm regards to all






