ESTA ou visa pour les États-Unis
by Quatia75
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Nous sommes français résidant en France. Voyage touristique de 3 semaines.
27 mai Paris / Miami par Air France / Miami / Nassau par Américan Airlines.
28 mai au 9 / 10 juin retour par mer Catamaran privé Nassau Miami (Fort Lauderdale).
11 juin Miami / Port au Prince / Pointe à Pitre par Air France.
19 juin retour sur Paris Air France.
Dans ce cadre l'Esta est-il suffisant ou faut-il un visa pour les USA, et dans l’affirmative lequel ?
Il y a deux ans nous avons fait le tour de la Floride avec ce même catamaran privé et nous avons eu besoin que de l'Esta. Mais là se pose le retour (l'entrée) aux usa depuis les Bahamas par Catamaran privé.
J'espère avoir été claire. 🤪
Cordialement.
Vous arrivez par avion aux USA, pour moins de 90 jours en tout ======> ESTA
Quand vous reviendrez par mer, vous n'aurez pas besoin de l'I94, vous aurez déjà l'ESTA.
Quand vous reviendrez par mer, vous n'aurez pas besoin de l'I94, vous aurez déjà l'ESTA.
Merci pour votre réponse.
Excusez moi d'insister 😊, mais j'ai lu ceci et ça me chiffonne...
"Pour voyager sans visa sur le VWP, vous devez disposer d'une autorisation par le biais du Système électronique d'Autorisation de Voyage (ESTA) avant de monter à bord d'un avion ou bateau transporteur américain lié. Voyage doit être sur un transporteur agréé Si vous arrivez par avion ou par la mer, vous devez être arrivez sur une voie aérienne ou maritime transporteur agréé. Vous devez également avoir un billet aller-retour indiquant le passage de retour dans un pays * en dehors des États-Unis." Doit-on considérer que la traversée Bahamas/Floride n'est qu'une parenthèse qui ne s'applique pas et ne sera retenu que notre entrée et sortie air (transporteur agréé) 😛 🤪
"Pour voyager sans visa sur le VWP, vous devez disposer d'une autorisation par le biais du Système électronique d'Autorisation de Voyage (ESTA) avant de monter à bord d'un avion ou bateau transporteur américain lié. Voyage doit être sur un transporteur agréé Si vous arrivez par avion ou par la mer, vous devez être arrivez sur une voie aérienne ou maritime transporteur agréé. Vous devez également avoir un billet aller-retour indiquant le passage de retour dans un pays * en dehors des États-Unis." Doit-on considérer que la traversée Bahamas/Floride n'est qu'une parenthèse qui ne s'applique pas et ne sera retenu que notre entrée et sortie air (transporteur agréé) 😛 🤪
Vous arrivez aux USA : vous avez l'ESTA. Vous vous baladez à droite, à gauche, en Floride, aux Bahamas. Quand vous reviendrez des Bahamas, ils verront que votre ESTA est encore valable (la limite en tout est de 90 jours, les Bahamas ne remettent pas le compteur à zéro). Il n'y aura pas de problème. Vous avez bien un avion qui repart vers l'Europe à un moment ? Quand vous arrivez, vous montrerez votre billet retour pour l'Europe, vous n'êtes pas obligé de leur dire que vous allez aux Bahamas (mais, par contre, ne leur mentez pas, même pour une connerie comme ça), vous pouvez ne rien préciser si ça vous chiffonne.
Bonjour Katia,
Je serai beaucoup moins affirmatif que d'autres au sujet du fait que l'ESTA est suffisant ...
Sur le site de l'ambassade américaine de Bruxelles ( http://french.belgium.usembassy.gov/visa_waiver_program.html ), je trouve ceci:
" 6. Le Programme d'Exemption de Visa permet aux visiteurs de demeurer aux Etats-Unis pendant 90 jours maximum. Cette durée ne peut pas être prolongée. Les visiteurs ne peuvent pas changer de statut pendant leur séjour, n'ont pas le droit de travailler, ni de faire un stage ou de fréquenter une école aux Etats-Unis. Attention: Un visa est exigé pour les voyageurs:qui ne sont pas citoyens des pays bénéficiaires du Programme d'Exemption de Visa.dont le séjour dépasse les 90 jours qui entrent aux Etats-Unis par avion ou bateau privé qui souhaitent étudier ou faire un stage aux Etats-Unisqui souhaitent travailler aux Etats-Unis. Un visa est également requis pour les journalistes/représentants des médias.qui ne pourraient pas recevoir un visa selon la législation américaine pour des raisons sanitaires, de protection sociale et de sécurité publique, comme les personnes auxquelles un visa a déjà été refusé, ayant commis des infractions graves à la loi entraînant une condamnation, ayant utilisé des moyens frauduleux ou illégaux dans les formalités d'admission sur le territoire des Etats-Unis, etc.qui ont le statut diplomatique/officiel ET qui se rendent aux Etats-Unis en mission officielle. Pour plus de renseignements, cliquez ici (texte disponible en anglais uniquement). "La mention : qui entrent aux Etats-Unis par avion ou bateau privé mérite de retenir ton attention ... Si, effectivement, tu veux aborder le sol US en bateau privé venant du large, la question mérite d'être approfondie avec des services compétents... et il ne me semble pas impossible qu'un visa soit exigé dans ce cas.
Je t'invite donc à t'assurer auprès des services compétents de l'Ambassade US de Paris de ce qu'il en est pour toi en fonction de ta situation.
Joseph
Je serai beaucoup moins affirmatif que d'autres au sujet du fait que l'ESTA est suffisant ...
Sur le site de l'ambassade américaine de Bruxelles ( http://french.belgium.usembassy.gov/visa_waiver_program.html ), je trouve ceci:
" 6. Le Programme d'Exemption de Visa permet aux visiteurs de demeurer aux Etats-Unis pendant 90 jours maximum. Cette durée ne peut pas être prolongée. Les visiteurs ne peuvent pas changer de statut pendant leur séjour, n'ont pas le droit de travailler, ni de faire un stage ou de fréquenter une école aux Etats-Unis. Attention: Un visa est exigé pour les voyageurs:qui ne sont pas citoyens des pays bénéficiaires du Programme d'Exemption de Visa.dont le séjour dépasse les 90 jours qui entrent aux Etats-Unis par avion ou bateau privé qui souhaitent étudier ou faire un stage aux Etats-Unisqui souhaitent travailler aux Etats-Unis. Un visa est également requis pour les journalistes/représentants des médias.qui ne pourraient pas recevoir un visa selon la législation américaine pour des raisons sanitaires, de protection sociale et de sécurité publique, comme les personnes auxquelles un visa a déjà été refusé, ayant commis des infractions graves à la loi entraînant une condamnation, ayant utilisé des moyens frauduleux ou illégaux dans les formalités d'admission sur le territoire des Etats-Unis, etc.qui ont le statut diplomatique/officiel ET qui se rendent aux Etats-Unis en mission officielle. Pour plus de renseignements, cliquez ici (texte disponible en anglais uniquement). "La mention : qui entrent aux Etats-Unis par avion ou bateau privé mérite de retenir ton attention ... Si, effectivement, tu veux aborder le sol US en bateau privé venant du large, la question mérite d'être approfondie avec des services compétents... et il ne me semble pas impossible qu'un visa soit exigé dans ce cas.
Je t'invite donc à t'assurer auprès des services compétents de l'Ambassade US de Paris de ce qu'il en est pour toi en fonction de ta situation.
Joseph
Merci Micy,
En effet, et c'est bien ce point qui nous pose problème.
Vous avez raison le mieux serait que je me déplace à l'ambassade à Paris 😕. Mon mari a dans un premier temps essayé de les joindre par téléphone, peine perdue...
J'ai moi même envoyé un email au service compétent mais la réponse est à 3 semaines minimum...
Les avis sont donc partagés... Un point partout - la balle au centre ! 😏
j'ai trouvé ceci qui semble correspondre à votre idée :
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html
Les voyages au Canada, au Mexique ou les îles voisines Si vous êtes admis aux États-Unis en vertu du VWP, vous pouvez prendre un court voyage au Canada, au Mexique, ou une île voisine et généralement être réadmis aux États-Unis en vertu du VWP pour le reste de l'original de 90 jours accordé à la suite de votre première arrivée aux États-Unis. Par conséquent, la durée de votre séjour total, y compris le court voyage, doit être de 90 jours ou moins. Voir le site Customs and Border Protection(CBP).
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html
Les voyages au Canada, au Mexique ou les îles voisines Si vous êtes admis aux États-Unis en vertu du VWP, vous pouvez prendre un court voyage au Canada, au Mexique, ou une île voisine et généralement être réadmis aux États-Unis en vertu du VWP pour le reste de l'original de 90 jours accordé à la suite de votre première arrivée aux États-Unis. Par conséquent, la durée de votre séjour total, y compris le court voyage, doit être de 90 jours ou moins. Voir le site Customs and Border Protection(CBP).
Bonjour Joseph
Vous aviez parfaitement raison !
Un visa est exigé pour les voyageurs qui entrent aux Etats-Unis par avion ou bateau privé (ce qui est notre cas puisque nous arriverons des Bahamas entre amis sur un catamaran appartenant à l'un d'eux).
L'ESTA est suffisant si le voyage se fait sur un transport agréé Si vous arrivez par avion ou par la mer, vous devez être arrivés sur une voie aérienne ou maritime transporteur agréé
Nous avons obtenu notre visa, départ le mois prochain...
Merci à toutes les personnes qui ont participé à cette discussion.
Vous aviez parfaitement raison !
Un visa est exigé pour les voyageurs qui entrent aux Etats-Unis par avion ou bateau privé (ce qui est notre cas puisque nous arriverons des Bahamas entre amis sur un catamaran appartenant à l'un d'eux).
L'ESTA est suffisant si le voyage se fait sur un transport agréé Si vous arrivez par avion ou par la mer, vous devez être arrivés sur une voie aérienne ou maritime transporteur agréé
Nous avons obtenu notre visa, départ le mois prochain...
Merci à toutes les personnes qui ont participé à cette discussion.
Bonjour Katia,
Merci pour ton retour d'expérience qui sera utile pour ceux qui chercheront la même information sur ce site
Bravo pour l'obtention du visa et donc ... BON VOYAGE.
Tiens, pour info sur l'arrivée aux USA par bateau "agréé" (paquebot Costa DELIZIOSA), nous avons fait escale sur ce bateau durant un jour à Fort Lauderdale le 06 mars de cette année. TOUS les passagers (même ceux qui n'avaient pas prévus de descendre à terre pour une excursion ou autre chose) ont du descendre pour faire les procédures d'immigration (ESTA dans ce cas pour les européens) avant de remonter sur le bateau.
Les autorités exigent que le bateau soit TOTALEMENT vidé de ses passagers durant la procédure.
Encore bon voyage
Joseph
Merci pour ton retour d'expérience qui sera utile pour ceux qui chercheront la même information sur ce site
Bravo pour l'obtention du visa et donc ... BON VOYAGE.
Tiens, pour info sur l'arrivée aux USA par bateau "agréé" (paquebot Costa DELIZIOSA), nous avons fait escale sur ce bateau durant un jour à Fort Lauderdale le 06 mars de cette année. TOUS les passagers (même ceux qui n'avaient pas prévus de descendre à terre pour une excursion ou autre chose) ont du descendre pour faire les procédures d'immigration (ESTA dans ce cas pour les européens) avant de remonter sur le bateau.
Les autorités exigent que le bateau soit TOTALEMENT vidé de ses passagers durant la procédure.
Encore bon voyage
Joseph
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There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.





