Je souhaite des conseils sur cet itinéraire car je c'est ma première aux states. Nous partons à 4 et on louerai un 4x4 pour les parcs et une voiture pour le reste.
J'ai tout mis. Vous pouvez y aller. Critiques, suggestions, etc... MERCI D'AVANCE😉
Itinéraire indicatif sur l’Ouest Américain Paris – Las Vegas / Los Angeles - Paris
1e JOUR : à Las Vegas
Hotel LVG : Circus-Circus*** ou Excalibur***
2e JOUR : LAS VEGAS / DECOUVERTE VILLE et SHOPPING
Hotel LVG : Circus-Circus*** ou Excalibur***
3e JOUR : LAS VEGAS /BRYCE CANYON (273 mi / 5h30 route)
Nuit sur place à Bryce
Hotel Best Western Ruby’s Inn***
4e JOUR : BRYCE CANYON /LAKE POWELL (140km)
Matin Bryce visiteet Route vers Lake Powell
Hotel : Lake Powell Resort ***
5e JOUR : LAKE POWELL / MONUMENT VALLEY (200 KM)
Hôtel Monument Valley : Goulding’s trading post and lodge
6e JOUR : MONUMENT VALLEY / GRAND CANYON (290 km)
Matin Monument valley avec les Navajo (4h)
Hotel : Yavapai East ou à l’entrée du parc Canyon Plaza Quality Inn
7e JOUR : GRAND CANYON / LAS VEGAS (490 km)
Hotel LVG : Circus-Circus*** ou Excalibur***
Arrêt sur le Hoover Dam
8e JOUR : LAS VEGAS (rester ou partir sur SF vol midi ?)
9e JOUR : LAS VEGAS / SAN FRANCISCO (avion)
Départ : 09h28 Las Vegas McCarran International (Nevada, Etats-Unis) Terminal 1
Arrivée : 11h03 San Francisco San Francisco International (California, Etats-Unis) Terminal 1
US Airways 466
Boeing 737-300
Classe Economique.
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61.12€
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Bonjour
ce serait dommage de zapper Moab
vous pouvez retirer 1 nuit à Las Vegas(J8) et une nuit à Los Angeles pour les mettre sur Moab, que vous pouvez joindre à partir de Bryce. Apres Moab vous pouvez continuer sur Monument Valley puis Page puis Grand Canyon ...
"lorsqu'au crépuscule de ma vie je me retournerai, je dirai: c'est moi qui ai vécu et non un ètre factice créé par mes ennuis et mes regrets"
Il faut récupérer + de 2 jours pour aller à Moab... Cette région mérite au moins 2 jours pleins. Il est donc dommage de se taper Bryce > Moab (beaucoup de route) juste pour y passer un jour...
Je trouve ton parcours plutôt bien pensé. A Page, essaye d'arriver vers 11h pour faire Antelope Canyon. Tu auras le temps de visiter Bryce la veille.
Au fait, à quelle période pensez-vous partir ?
Une amélioration serait de prendre une seule voiture pour tout le voyage et de faire le circuit suivant :
J9 : Las Vegas > Death Valley
J10 : Death Valley > Los Angeles
J14 : LA > Big Sur
J15 : BS > San Francisco
J20 : SF > Paris. ça te permet même de rendre la voiture avant J20, car SF peut se visiter en transport en commun sans problème. 😉
Je vais essayer de repenser le circuit en y mettant Moab. J'ai vu que c'était le point de départ de rafting sur le colorado mais je ne pars pas avec de grands sportifs.
Nous sommes plutôt du genre à rester devant de grands paysages et marcher à la cool.
Niveau temps, mon impératif est de ne pas dépasser 20 jours. Donc vos commentaires sont les bienvenus sur les coupes à faire ou pas.
Bonjour Dommm
j'ai bien parlé de 2 nuits à récupérer sur le circuit ce qui correspond à 3 jours
tout à fait d'accord avec toi que la magnifique région de Moab mérite au minimum 3J/2N
"lorsqu'au crépuscule de ma vie je me retournerai, je dirai: c'est moi qui ai vécu et non un ètre factice créé par mes ennuis et mes regrets"
effectivement, à Moab tu peux faire l'expérience d'un minirafting sans difficulté sur le Colorado
ce sont des escapades d'une demi-journée, le minibus part sur la 128 jusqu'au Fisher Tower et le retour par pneumatique avec 3 ou 4 "rapides" en cours de route; l'expérience est cool, les paysages sont fantastiques
N'oublie pas Ecran solaire et surtout baume à lèvres
"lorsqu'au crépuscule de ma vie je me retournerai, je dirai: c'est moi qui ai vécu et non un ètre factice créé par mes ennuis et mes regrets"
Bonjour,
Pour les hôtels à Las Vegas, l'Excalibur ou le Circus-Circus c'est vraiment pas le top. Chambres mal isolées, beaucoup de bruit etc..... Je te conseillerai plutôt Tresure Iceland ou le Mirage qui ont l'avantage d'être au centre ville.
Pour Los Angeles, ne pas oublier d'aller faire une balade au bord de la plage à Venice.
A coté de Monument Valley tu as également Petrified Forest qui est à voir.
S'il te reste un peu de temps à Los Angeles, descends jusqu'à San Diego pour visiter Sea World.
Pour San Francisco, une fois à Fisherman Wharf faire un tour au "Pier 39" (quai avec énormément de boutiques)
A+
Ce qui compte pour la richesse, ce n'est pas d'en disposer mais d'en profiter !!
quand tu parles de "minirafting sans difficulté sur le Colorado" Cela peut-il convenir à des personnes agées (sachant nager bien sur !) mais dont l'une n'est pas très à l'aise sur l'eau 😠 ? Nous restons 3 jours à MOAB et cela me tenterait bien !
J'aimerai bien faire Moab mais je ne sais pas comment l'inclure dans mon circuit en respectant mes 20 jours.
De Bryce, je devrais faire Moab, et descendre sur Monument Valley par Mesa Verde ... j'évite Powelll ?
Je ne fais pas Calico et gagne un jour sur LA ?
Une suggestion de votre part serait la bienvenue.
Y a t-il une chose à éviter en préférence de Moab dans ce circuit ? Les parks, itinéraires, durée de séjour sur les villes ?
Pour l'hôtel à Las Vegas, j'ai changé pour le Mirage.
Merci.
Rappel itinéraire : Itinéraire indicatif sur l’Ouest Américain Paris – Las Vegas / Los Angeles - Paris
1e JOUR : Paris à Las Vegas
Hotel LVG : Tresure Iceland ou le Mirage
2e JOUR : LAS VEGAS / DECOUVERTE VILLE et SHOPPING
Hotel LVG : Tresure Iceland ou le Mirage
Las Vegas, le Strip à pied, + le monorail.
Location d’un 4*4
3e JOUR : LAS VEGAS /BRYCE CANYON (273 mi / 5h30 route)
Nuit sur place à Bryce
Hotel Best Western Ruby’s Inn***
4e JOUR : BRYCE CANYON /LAKE POWELL (140km)
Matin Bryce visiteet Route vers Lake Powell
Hotel : Lake Powell Resort ***
5e JOUR : LAKE POWELL / MONUMENT VALLEY (200 KM)
Hôtel Monument Valley : Goulding’s trading post and lodge
6e JOUR : MONUMENT VALLEY / GRAND CANYON (290 km)
Matin Monument valley avec les Navajo (4h)
Hotel : Yavapai East ou à l’entrée du parc Canyon Plaza Quality Inn
7e JOUR : GRAND CANYON / LAS VEGAS (490 km)
Hotel LVG : Circus-Circus*** ou Excalibur***
Arrêt sur le Hoover Dam (impressionnant barrage)
8e JOUR : LAS VEGAS
RESTITUTION VOITURE 4*4 – FIN VISITE VILLE
9e JOUR : LAS VEGAS / SAN FRANCISCO (avion)
Départ : 09h28 Las Vegas McCarran International (Nevada, Etats-Unis) Terminal 1
Arrivée : 11h03 San Francisco San Francisco International (California, Etats-Unis) Terminal 1
US Airways 466
Boeing 737-300
Classe Economique.
Récapitulatif de votre commande
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61.12€
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14e JOUR : SAN FRANCISCO / MORRO-BAY (4 H - 350 KM)
Faire le trajet par la Pacific Coast Highway ("PCH" ou route "1").
STOP : Santa Barbara à visite
STOP : Point Lobbos (proche de Carmel) à visite plage : otaries baleines.
STOP Arrêt nuit : Morro Bay pour y passer la nuit (Anchor Motel)
15e JOUR : MORRO-BAY / LOS ANGELES (343 KM – 4H)
STOP MONTEREY : Grand Aquarium
16e JOUR : LOS ANGELES
Hôtel à Los Angeles :
RITZ MILNER**
813 S.FLOWER STREET
LOS ANGELES, CA 90017
17e JOUR : Los Angeles
Hollywood avec Sunset Boulevard et Hollywood Boulevard.
Beverly Hills et visite de la ville
18e JOUR : Los Angeles
Visite de Universal Studio / http://www.universalstudioshollywood.com/
(dans le choix du pays pour envoi des billets mettre France).
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1869534;
+ shopping outlett factory’s
19e JOUR : Los Angeles / Départ pour CALICO GHOST TOWN
Itinéraire route I40.
Arrêt et visite :
36600 Ghost Town Rd
Yermo, CA 92398
(760) 254-2122
D'abord c'est une bonne idée de choisir Mirage ou Treasure Island plutot que Circus ou Excalibur
concernant Moab, il faut au minimum 2 nuitées pour pouvoir faire Island in the Sky, Dead Horse Point et Arches, ce qui suppose d'enlever 1 nuit à Powell et la nuit 8 à Las Vagas
"lorsqu'au crépuscule de ma vie je me retournerai, je dirai: c'est moi qui ai vécu et non un ètre factice créé par mes ennuis et mes regrets"
Non, tu ne feras pas tout en un jour à Las Vegas !!!
La dernière fois j'y suis resté 10 jours et je n'ai vu que la moitié des choses !!!!
Chaque grand hotel-casino présente un show (gratuit) durant la journée qu'il ne faut pas rater, pour les petits comme pour les grands !!!
A titre indicatif il ya plus de 250 hotels à Las Vegas .....
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Ce qui compte pour la richesse, ce n'est pas d'en disposer mais d'en profiter !!
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Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
Follow-up question: if they were "standard" tires, did that cause any issues on the gravel roads and rough terrain?
Thanks so much for any info you can share.
Best,
Marc
Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla).
Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place?
Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport?
Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?...
How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT?
Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia.
When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day?
We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey.
Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice!
Best,
Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th?
Was the journey doable and safe?
Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊
Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them.
Thanks again!
