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Bonjour,
un laps de temps entre 2 vols de 45 minutes n'est-il pas un peu juste sachant que j'arrive au terminal 2F à 15h, et que je reparts du terminal 2B à 15h45?
Aéroport CDG: transit de 45 minutes entre deux vols?
by Emma186
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Bonjour,
S'agit-il d'une correspondance sur un même billet ? Autrement, effectivement, c'est beaucoup trop court.
Michel
S'agit-il d'une correspondance sur un même billet ? Autrement, effectivement, c'est beaucoup trop court.
Michel
Oui, c'est un vol air france Bordeaux-Prague. Donc, on n'a pas besoin de recuperer les bagages. C'est faisable dans ce cas, ou vaut-il mieux que je prevois plus large?
Si la compagnie vous vend le billet comme ça c'est qu'elle pense que c'est jouable. De toutes façons les vols pour Prague du 2B ne partent presque jamais à l'heure.
Les risques de bavures sont quand même assez importants.
Michel
Michel
"Avec seulement 45 minutes d'escale à CDG, il y a même un risque assez important de ne pas les récupérer à l'arrivée à Prague. "
D'où l'intérêt de rater la correspondance 😏 ! Pour arriver en même temps qu'eux...
Michel
D'où l'intérêt de rater la correspondance 😏 ! Pour arriver en même temps qu'eux...
Michel
J'ai pris ces vols un paquet de fois, et ils sont presque toujours partis à l'heure, à 10 min près.
Les deux cas de retard que j'ai vus : une chute de neige importante à Prague (ça m'a permis d'être surclassé 🙂) une attente de correspondance...
Pour un cas comme ça, ça parait jouable, mais c'est à l'agence de confirmer que le deuxième avion attendra si le premier a du retard. Dans le pire des cas, il y a plusieurs vols par jour pour Prague. Il faudrait se renseigner pour s'assurer qu'en cas de correspodance ratée, le vol suivant (2 heures environ), est accesssible sans racheter des billets.
Pour un cas comme ça, ça parait jouable, mais c'est à l'agence de confirmer que le deuxième avion attendra si le premier a du retard. Dans le pire des cas, il y a plusieurs vols par jour pour Prague. Il faudrait se renseigner pour s'assurer qu'en cas de correspodance ratée, le vol suivant (2 heures environ), est accesssible sans racheter des billets.
Bonjour,
Les départ du 2B se font en général assez largement après l'heure annoncée mais les temps de vol étant calculés pour ça l'avion parvient à destination à l'heure. De toutes façons le 2B est tellement désagréable qu'on n'a aucune envie d'y être en avance... 🙂
"mais c'est à l'agence de confirmer que le deuxième avion attendra si le premier a du retard. "
L'agence est incapable de confirmer ça, et cette attente si elle est parfois possible n'est jamais un principe. Le plus probable est un acheminement par un avion suivant en cas d'échec de la correspondance.
Michel
Les départ du 2B se font en général assez largement après l'heure annoncée mais les temps de vol étant calculés pour ça l'avion parvient à destination à l'heure. De toutes façons le 2B est tellement désagréable qu'on n'a aucune envie d'y être en avance... 🙂
"mais c'est à l'agence de confirmer que le deuxième avion attendra si le premier a du retard. "
L'agence est incapable de confirmer ça, et cette attente si elle est parfois possible n'est jamais un principe. Le plus probable est un acheminement par un avion suivant en cas d'échec de la correspondance.
Michel
Air France considère que le délai minimum pour une correspondance à Roissy est de 40 minutes.
Ce transfert est faisable, mais en cas de retard du 1er avion, peu de chance d'y arriver. Ce n'est pas grave car vous serez automatiquement placée sur le vol suivant, donc pas de souci.
Pour savoir si vos bagages ont suivi, il vous suffira de le demander en porte d'embarquement si vous n'êtes pas trop en retard.
Les avions attendent de moins en moins à Roissy, en tout cas sur le moyen courrier, car le coût du stationnement d'un avion est prohibitif.
Pour info, 10 minutes avant de l'heure de fin d'embarquement, le personnel vérifie la liste des passagers manquants. Les agents sauront que vous venez d'un autre vol et l'heure d'atterrissage de celui-ci. Ils sauront donc si vous avez une chance d'être à l'heure. Et dans ce cas il peuvent attendre jusqu'à la dernière minute.
Pour savoir si vos bagages ont suivi, il vous suffira de le demander en porte d'embarquement si vous n'êtes pas trop en retard.
Les avions attendent de moins en moins à Roissy, en tout cas sur le moyen courrier, car le coût du stationnement d'un avion est prohibitif.
Pour info, 10 minutes avant de l'heure de fin d'embarquement, le personnel vérifie la liste des passagers manquants. Les agents sauront que vous venez d'un autre vol et l'heure d'atterrissage de celui-ci. Ils sauront donc si vous avez une chance d'être à l'heure. Et dans ce cas il peuvent attendre jusqu'à la dernière minute.
L'agence peut au moins confirmer qu'elle assure l'arrivée à la destination finale. C'était le sens de mon intervention.
Comme je l'ai dit, des vols AF-CSA Paris-Prague, il y en a un paquet, donc pas de problème pour décoller vite si on a raté un vol. Maisil faut être sur que le réembarquement sur le vol suivant ne coûte rien au passager, et là, c'est à l'agence de le confirmer. Le reste n'est que conjecture.
Concernant les retards, je ne sais pas pour le terminal 2B en général, mais pour les vols Paris-Prague, que j'ai pris très souvent, les embarquements se font à l'heure indiquée à 10 min près.
Comme je l'ai dit, des vols AF-CSA Paris-Prague, il y en a un paquet, donc pas de problème pour décoller vite si on a raté un vol. Maisil faut être sur que le réembarquement sur le vol suivant ne coûte rien au passager, et là, c'est à l'agence de le confirmer. Le reste n'est que conjecture.
Concernant les retards, je ne sais pas pour le terminal 2B en général, mais pour les vols Paris-Prague, que j'ai pris très souvent, les embarquements se font à l'heure indiquée à 10 min près.
Bonjour,
"L'agence peut au moins confirmer qu'elle assure l'arrivée à la destination finale. C'était le sens de mon intervention."
Si c'est sur un même billet, c'est bon....
"Comme je l'ai dit, des vols AF-CSA Paris-Prague, il y en a un paquet, donc pas de problème pour décoller vite si on a raté un vol. Maisil faut être sur que le réembarquement sur le vol suivant ne coûte rien au passager, et là, c'est à l'agence de le confirmer. Le reste n'est que conjecture. "
L'agence n'a rien à voir. La réponse est OUI ; si on c'est un seul billet et qu'on est enregistré à destination on doit vous acheminer et cela ne coûte rien. Et cela n'a rien à voir non plus avec la classe tarifaire.
Je ne fais jamais de Paris-Prague, mais je suis prêt à beaucoup pour éviter le 2B 😏...
Michel
"L'agence peut au moins confirmer qu'elle assure l'arrivée à la destination finale. C'était le sens de mon intervention."
Si c'est sur un même billet, c'est bon....
"Comme je l'ai dit, des vols AF-CSA Paris-Prague, il y en a un paquet, donc pas de problème pour décoller vite si on a raté un vol. Maisil faut être sur que le réembarquement sur le vol suivant ne coûte rien au passager, et là, c'est à l'agence de le confirmer. Le reste n'est que conjecture. "
L'agence n'a rien à voir. La réponse est OUI ; si on c'est un seul billet et qu'on est enregistré à destination on doit vous acheminer et cela ne coûte rien. Et cela n'a rien à voir non plus avec la classe tarifaire.
Je ne fais jamais de Paris-Prague, mais je suis prêt à beaucoup pour éviter le 2B 😏...
Michel
Merc pour vos conseils,
Je vais donc essayer de voir si je ne peux pas reserver sur un vol avec un transit un peu plus long (bien que ces vols m'aient été proposé directement sur le site d'air france).
Quant au 2B, je ne le connait pas encore celui là, mais a mon avis il ne peut pas etre pire que le T9 (j'ai eu l'occasion d'y passer plusieurs fois il y a une quinzaine d'année lorsque j'etais étudiante, et là, j'ai vraiment eu l'impression de n'etre que du bétail!)
Je vais donc essayer de voir si je ne peux pas reserver sur un vol avec un transit un peu plus long (bien que ces vols m'aient été proposé directement sur le site d'air france).
Quant au 2B, je ne le connait pas encore celui là, mais a mon avis il ne peut pas etre pire que le T9 (j'ai eu l'occasion d'y passer plusieurs fois il y a une quinzaine d'année lorsque j'etais étudiante, et là, j'ai vraiment eu l'impression de n'etre que du bétail!)
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Here’s the account of the start of our 5/7-day trip in Normandy (then off to the neighbors in... Brittany):
Day 01 from Valenciennes to Mont Saint-Michel: Sunday, September 6, 2020.
After a detour through the south of Lille (picking up our son), we head southwest around 10:00 AM, taking the highways via Amiens, the Pont de Normandie, and Avranches to arrive at "the Mount" around 4:00 PM after 515 km. Parking P3 (14.20 € for 24 hours) for residents and hotels, located 50 meters from the start of the free round-trip shuttle included in the parking price (not too many tourists at this "late" Sunday hour), and we arrive at the hotel around 4:30 PM. Triple room with a view of the bay at Hôtel Du Guesclin for 1 night. From 5:15 PM to 6:30 PM, we tackle the complete tour of the ramparts counterclockwise from the Porte de l’Avancée, via the Tour du Nord (near the abbey entrance), passing in front of the abbey to reach the Tour Gabriel, and back to the start: stunning, not crowded, great weather, and amazing views. Dinner in the beautiful panoramic restaurant of the hotel, with a bay view at a "window" table (such a nice touch!). Of course, the day isn’t over, and we can then wander through a deserted main street and its unique atmosphere (photos below labeled "night" even though it’s only 9:15/9:30 PM). What a privilege!
Day 02 from Mont Saint-Michel to Saint-Cast: Monday, September 7, 2020.
After a memorable sunrise over the bay and a sit-down breakfast, we climb the steps to the Abbey for our online-reserved time slot (9:30 AM, 11 € per person). The "masked group" is quite large, though within normal limits, and the one-way Covid-marked route (with a small brochure) prevents crowds. No need to rush, and 1 hour 15 minutes later, we’re done. Sure, it doesn’t have the charm of a guided tour, but we’re not complaining about being there! We pick up our bags at the hotel, take the shuttle back, grab the car at Parking P3, and head "south" to Dol-de-Bretagne, 26 km/25 minutes away. Around noon, the small town is very quiet, and parking in front of the Saint-Samson Cathedral** is free. Across the street, the tourist office is generous with info and gives us a great walking map/circuit: Cathedral, a stroll near the ramparts, the historic center** with its typical shopping streets and half-timbered houses, all covered at a leisurely pace in 45 minutes. Then a picnic on-site. It’s another 50 km/50 minutes to Saint-Cast-le-Guildo and the Armor Conseil agency for the apartment keys (Résidence du Casino, 72 m², 5th floor, 2 bedrooms, beach 20 meters away, insane morning and evening views, bed linen rental at Ohier 50 meters away, Carrefour City supermarket, and a bakery 200 meters away, plus a town center that hasn’t changed much in 25/30 years. Really, really nice. After settling in, a short walk is a must up to the heights of the Isle neighborhood behind the seaside residence... memories. Strangely, the well-known Crêperie Bretan’Or seems to be closed, as does the venerable Hôtel du Centre et des Plages (formerly "des Voyageurs")?? And for this reunion evening with the resort, a great crêpe/galette dinner at La Régal’ette, just 100 meters away. Day’s total: 12 km of walking for sightseeing.
A few photos at the bottom of the page...
* Read the rest on the blog: https://blogs.crespel.me/bretagne/
Hi there,
I’m traveling alone from my remote Pyrenees home to Roissy Airport, arriving at Austerlitz Station. I’m a bit nervous about getting to the airport—could you suggest a route?
While you’re at it, maybe you could recommend a budget hotel near the airport?
Thanks so much for your help!
Best to you all
I’m traveling alone from my remote Pyrenees home to Roissy Airport, arriving at Austerlitz Station. I’m a bit nervous about getting to the airport—could you suggest a route?
While you’re at it, maybe you could recommend a budget hotel near the airport?
Thanks so much for your help!
Best to you all
Hi everyone,
I’m looking into a trip to Paris around mid-February. I’d love to know more about the temperature (weather) in Paris, museum access (closures or anything else), how easy it is to get around on foot (slippery due to ice?), public transport, etc.
Also, are there any events or activities I absolutely shouldn’t miss? I could adjust my dates based on what you know.
On another note, I’d love to catch a hockey game. Are there any around Paris? I’m happy to watch a few games no matter the level 🏒🥅
FYI, I’m not afraid of the cold since I’m from Quebec 😁😆😆🧑🌾
Thanks in advance for your help! 👍😊❤️❤️
I’m looking into a trip to Paris around mid-February. I’d love to know more about the temperature (weather) in Paris, museum access (closures or anything else), how easy it is to get around on foot (slippery due to ice?), public transport, etc.
Also, are there any events or activities I absolutely shouldn’t miss? I could adjust my dates based on what you know.
On another note, I’d love to catch a hockey game. Are there any around Paris? I’m happy to watch a few games no matter the level 🏒🥅
FYI, I’m not afraid of the cold since I’m from Quebec 😁😆😆🧑🌾
Thanks in advance for your help! 👍😊❤️❤️
Hi,
This summer, we’re planning a family trip to Corsica.
We’ve chosen Sari Solenzara because we want to combine: sea, mountain hikes, natural pools, canyoning, and peace and quiet. Does this choice seem like a good one to you?
Second question: which airport should we prioritize to have the easiest roads to access?
Thanks in advance for your tips! :-)
This summer, we’re planning a family trip to Corsica.
We’ve chosen Sari Solenzara because we want to combine: sea, mountain hikes, natural pools, canyoning, and peace and quiet. Does this choice seem like a good one to you?
Second question: which airport should we prioritize to have the easiest roads to access?
Thanks in advance for your tips! :-)
Hi everyone,
We’ve wanted to visit Alsace for a long time to see the famous and well-known "Christmas markets."
Apart from the one in Strasbourg, could you give us some tips on other markets (Sélestat, Colmar, Mulhouse)?
Also, any recommendations for hotels, restaurants, or things to see, etc.?
I know my question is a bit "basic," but we really need some expert advice.
Thanks in advance to all.
Hi there,
I’m planning to spend three days in the Annecy region. What would you recommend visiting? Just so you know, I love nature and enjoy walking, but I prefer hikes that aren’t longer than two hours.
Thanks for your great tips!
I’m planning to spend three days in the Annecy region. What would you recommend visiting? Just so you know, I love nature and enjoy walking, but I prefer hikes that aren’t longer than two hours.
Thanks for your great tips!
How do I get to ibis budget coeur orly from the Metro Line 14 Orly station on foot
We’ll be back from a river cruise with a stop in Strasbourg for just the afternoon and evening. We’d like to spend the afternoon in either Colmar or Kaysersberg and then return to Strasbourg for dinner and a stroll afterward. I’d love your advice on which spot—Colmar or Kaysersberg—you’d recommend. I’ve noticed there’s a bus line 145 that runs from Colmar to Kaysersberg, taking about 40 minutes and costing around 5 €.
Is there a train or another way to get directly from Strasbourg that’s quick and affordable? I think a taxi would be pretty expensive. The issue is we don’t have much time—our flight is the next morning. We’ve already visited Strasbourg, Colmar, Eguisheim, Ribeauvillé, and Riquewihr about 10 years ago and loved them all. Our river cruise covers the Main, Rhine, and Danube.
We’re really looking forward to seeing places in Germany, like Rothenburg ob der Tauber, among others.
Thanks, and looking forward to your tips!
Is there a train or another way to get directly from Strasbourg that’s quick and affordable? I think a taxi would be pretty expensive. The issue is we don’t have much time—our flight is the next morning. We’ve already visited Strasbourg, Colmar, Eguisheim, Ribeauvillé, and Riquewihr about 10 years ago and loved them all. Our river cruise covers the Main, Rhine, and Danube.
We’re really looking forward to seeing places in Germany, like Rothenburg ob der Tauber, among others.
Thanks, and looking forward to your tips!
Hi there,
My husband, our 1-year-old son, and I have decided to head to southern France in mid-September.
We don’t know the region at all—it’ll be our first time.
We only have 9 days, and we’re really torn between Provence for its gorgeous villages, its "slow" vibe, Provençal markets, flavors, and colors, and the famous French Riviera for its beaches, ports, and because it’s intrigued us for so long.
I found a beautiful place to stay in a *mas*, but it’s not in the region at all (it’s in the Gard).
My husband found a place he really likes in Saint-Aygulf, but before booking, I’m hesitating and wanted to get some advice.
Obviously, with only 9 days, we clearly have to choose. I thought about splitting the trip in two, but that seems like a bad idea for two reasons: first, we’re traveling with a little one, and second, if we spread ourselves too thin, we risk not seeing anything properly.
Since we don’t know the area at all, I’m worried the coastline might be too built-up with big buildings, etc., like Lloret de Mar (no offense to anyone who loves it—it’s just not what we’re looking for).
Anyway… what would you recommend for a first 9-day trip to the south?
Thanks so much!
My husband, our 1-year-old son, and I have decided to head to southern France in mid-September.
We don’t know the region at all—it’ll be our first time.
We only have 9 days, and we’re really torn between Provence for its gorgeous villages, its "slow" vibe, Provençal markets, flavors, and colors, and the famous French Riviera for its beaches, ports, and because it’s intrigued us for so long.
I found a beautiful place to stay in a *mas*, but it’s not in the region at all (it’s in the Gard).
My husband found a place he really likes in Saint-Aygulf, but before booking, I’m hesitating and wanted to get some advice.
Obviously, with only 9 days, we clearly have to choose. I thought about splitting the trip in two, but that seems like a bad idea for two reasons: first, we’re traveling with a little one, and second, if we spread ourselves too thin, we risk not seeing anything properly.
Since we don’t know the area at all, I’m worried the coastline might be too built-up with big buildings, etc., like Lloret de Mar (no offense to anyone who loves it—it’s just not what we’re looking for).
Anyway… what would you recommend for a first 9-day trip to the south?
Thanks so much!
Hi
Does anyone know a reliable and affordable shuttle service from Roissy airport to Lille train station?
I know there are TGVs, but we’d like to avoid a long wait at Roissy station.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
BD
Hi there,
We’re heading to Forcalquier as a couple and would love to explore the Valensole area, including the Verdon Gorge, etc. We’ll be there for 5 days, so I’d like to put together a little rundown of things to see, plus the best tips—what to avoid, what to recommend, restaurants, and so on.
Thanks so much!
Hi everyone, after a stay in the South and one in the North, I’m planning a mini road trip in Corsica (Bastia-Bastia) in June to explore places I haven’t seen yet. Since we’re heading to the mountains later this year, we’ve deliberately skipped the Corsican mountains. Could you share your thoughts and, most importantly, suggest things to see? We love nature, reasonable hikes, peaceful spots, and small villages. No cities. No boat excursions (yes, that includes Piana and Scandola). We already know the area between Bastia and Calvi.
June 7 Flight arrival in Bastia and night at the hotel
June 8 Drive to Calvi (beach and/or fortress) Meal at Les Boucaniers restaurant Night in Calvi
June 9 Walk from Calvi fortress to Alga beach Charcuterie platter at A Casetta Calvi Night in Calvi
June 10 Drive from Calvi to Piana Buvette du col de la Croix and visit the orientation table Chemin des muletiers (Muleteers’ Path) Or Sentier de la source des roches bleues (Blue Rocks Spring Trail) counterclockwise Or (less scenic) Tête du chien (Dog’s Head, starting at the parking lot) Dinner at Épicerie Castellani in Piana Night in Piana
June 11 Drive from Piana to Propriano Arone beach and meal at Le Café de la plage Drive along the coast, stopping wherever we like Night in Propriano
June 12 Hike starting from Campomoro in the Jardin du Vent (Wind Garden), and visit the Genoese tower of Campomoro Meal in Campomoro: restaurant Chez Pierre Paul U spuntinu Night in Propriano
June 13 Around Propriano (avoid Capu Laurosu beach—sewage treatment plant...) Night in Propriano
June 14 Drive from Propriano to Bastia airport Meal at L’Éternisula in Zonza Aiguilles de Bavella (Hole of the Bomb) Night at the same hotel as arrival
June 15 Departure
June 7 Flight arrival in Bastia and night at the hotel
June 8 Drive to Calvi (beach and/or fortress) Meal at Les Boucaniers restaurant Night in Calvi
June 9 Walk from Calvi fortress to Alga beach Charcuterie platter at A Casetta Calvi Night in Calvi
June 10 Drive from Calvi to Piana Buvette du col de la Croix and visit the orientation table Chemin des muletiers (Muleteers’ Path) Or Sentier de la source des roches bleues (Blue Rocks Spring Trail) counterclockwise Or (less scenic) Tête du chien (Dog’s Head, starting at the parking lot) Dinner at Épicerie Castellani in Piana Night in Piana
June 11 Drive from Piana to Propriano Arone beach and meal at Le Café de la plage Drive along the coast, stopping wherever we like Night in Propriano
June 12 Hike starting from Campomoro in the Jardin du Vent (Wind Garden), and visit the Genoese tower of Campomoro Meal in Campomoro: restaurant Chez Pierre Paul U spuntinu Night in Propriano
June 13 Around Propriano (avoid Capu Laurosu beach—sewage treatment plant...) Night in Propriano
June 14 Drive from Propriano to Bastia airport Meal at L’Éternisula in Zonza Aiguilles de Bavella (Hole of the Bomb) Night at the same hotel as arrival
June 15 Departure