Merci d'avance pour vos lumières.
Tour du Mont Blanc
by Sapapaya
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous.
Voila, avec un ami, nous avons décidé de faire le TMB en partie, en 6-7 jours.
J'aimerai me faire conseiller une agence qui s'occuperait d'organiser la reservation des logements et transfert entre etapes si necessaire.
Nous voudrions faire le Tour avec nos sac au dos pour le sejour en entier. Donc pas de transport de bagage par l'organisateur.
Du fait du portage des sacs, existe-t-il une variente du tour où on reste vers des refuges qui sont moins accesible par la route comme c'est souvent prévu lors des tours organisés classique. Mais peut etre que je me fais une mauvaise idée et que c'est inévitable de devoir descendre vers des gites d'etapes plutot que des refuges. Je compte partir du 09 au 15 septembre, je sais que c'est un peu tard dans l'année, mais ce sont mes disponibilités. Nous sommes des marcheurs de bon niveau, pour ma part je fais du jogging et trail à raison de 4 h d'entrainement +/- par semaine.
Merci d'avance pour vos lumières.
Merci d'avance pour vos lumières.
Bonjour,
mi septembre, vous pouvez avoir une météo moins favorable, mais vous éviterez la foule de la période mi-juillet/mi-aout. Comme vous n'êtes que 2 et que vous n'envisagez pas le transfert de vos affaires, à votre place j'oublierai l'agence. Vous pouvez très bien gérer vous même. Prenez le topo "tour du Mont Blanc", faites votre itinéraire et profitez en bien!
Vérifiez juste que les refuges sont encore ouverts à cette époque. Ensuite vous pouvez facilement faire vos résa vous-même (voire ne pas en faire vu que vous êtes 2, à cette période ça doit passer, éventuellement posez la question en vérifiant les ouvertures. Ca vous permet éventuellement d'adapter sur place selon si vous éprouvez le besoin de raccourcir ou rallonger certaines étapes.) Il y a pas mal de possibilités de refuge hors vallées, donc pas de souci.
Solcha.
mi septembre, vous pouvez avoir une météo moins favorable, mais vous éviterez la foule de la période mi-juillet/mi-aout. Comme vous n'êtes que 2 et que vous n'envisagez pas le transfert de vos affaires, à votre place j'oublierai l'agence. Vous pouvez très bien gérer vous même. Prenez le topo "tour du Mont Blanc", faites votre itinéraire et profitez en bien!
Vérifiez juste que les refuges sont encore ouverts à cette époque. Ensuite vous pouvez facilement faire vos résa vous-même (voire ne pas en faire vu que vous êtes 2, à cette période ça doit passer, éventuellement posez la question en vérifiant les ouvertures. Ca vous permet éventuellement d'adapter sur place selon si vous éprouvez le besoin de raccourcir ou rallonger certaines étapes.) Il y a pas mal de possibilités de refuge hors vallées, donc pas de souci.
Solcha.
Merci Solcha,
Quand tu dis "topo" tour du mont blanc, s'agit-il d'un ouvrage qui rassemble en détail le tour avec carte et données de contact pour les refuges ? Tu connais une reference pour se fournir cela.
Ou bien ce que tu appelles "topo" est une sujet du forum sur ce site ou autre.
Merci
Merci
Je parle du topo-guide de la fédé de randonnée (http://www.ffrandonnee.fr/boutique/topo-guide.aspx?ref=028)
C'est un petit livret qui rassemble la carto au 1/50 000 et le descriptif des différentes étapes, y compris les variantes + infos hébergement. Les sentiers sont bien balisés donc il suffit largement.
et pour les hébergements: http://www.cdrp74.fr/gr/heberg-tmb.html
avec une petite recherche sur internet, vous trouverez pleins de retours de randonneurs pour avoir des idées d'étapes sympa.
En tout cas c'est un super projet!
Solcha.
et pour les hébergements: http://www.cdrp74.fr/gr/heberg-tmb.html
avec une petite recherche sur internet, vous trouverez pleins de retours de randonneurs pour avoir des idées d'étapes sympa.
En tout cas c'est un super projet!
Solcha.
super, je me rejouis deja d'y etre....
encore merci
encore merci
Bonsoir,
Tout à fait d'accord avec Solcha, le topo guide de la FFRP que vous pouvez commander via Internet, suffit largement pour faire ce tour. Vous avez les temps de marche et dénivelés de façon précise et détaillée .Nous avons fait le tour du Mont Blanc en 2006 et avons retenu les hébergements d'après les indications de ce topo guide.Ce tour est varié, la partie italienne superbe car les glaciers sont proches et pas franchement difficile avec un peu d'entraînement et vous semblez en avoir bien suffisamment.Bonne rando.Cordialement.
Petite photo pour vous mettre en appétit, c'est le col de la Seigne (frontière franco-italienne)
hello !
je l'ai fait 2 fois, une 1ere très classique et une autre avec des variantes corsées.
6 7 jours me semblent assez juste pour le tour complet surtout à cette époque
pas mal de randonneurs traversent le coté suisse en car et c'est vraiment dommage
quel parcours envisages tu?
des refuges, il y en a partout
le coté italien avec les 13 glaciers qui de déroulent l'un après l'autre c'est grandiose
le fenêtre d'Arpette c'est à ne pas manquer
le balcon face au massif du Mont Blanc coté français est incontournable : du col des Montets à Plan praz on déroule la banane du massif et on ne finit pas d etre ébloui
Si t as pas compris j adore et on peut en causer ....
KENAVO PATRICK
Bonjour Patrick44, en fait vous m'avez répondu alors que je répondais moi même à Sapapaya, donc il faut rediriger votre message.
Celà dit, celà me permet de vous dire que j'ai beaucoup aimé ce tour, fait fin juin( en 10 jours) donc encore un peu enneigé et nous avons du mettre les crampons dans la montée du col du Bonhomme(enfin parce que nous ne sommes plus tout jeunes.....)Du fait de l'enneigement, nous n'avons pu faire certaines variantes.
J'ai vraiment beaucoup aimé le côté italien, par contre, nous n'avons rien vu du grand col Ferret dans la purée de pois et c'est sans doute dommage car on voit paraît il jusqu'au Cervin.Le lac blanc m'a plu énormément mais c'était un dimanche, on se serait cru aux heures de pointe dans le métro, les gens avec leur glacières, le melon et le petit rosé, on s'est vite sauvé.
Cette année Tour des Cerces, avez vous fait ce parcours?
Bonne journée, cordialement.A
Salut,
Je vais commander le topo et voir un peu avec mon comparse quelles sont nos envies.
Je vous demanderais surement vos appreciations quand mon itineraire sera fixé.
A bientot.
A bientot.
Bonjour à tous,
Nous avons décidé de faire le TMB en baroud à deux donc.
Mais vu nos disponiblités on pensais peut etre faire le demi tour sud ou le demi tour nord. Ou encore le tour complet mais en sautant une partie en bus ( certainement de Courmayeur a Champex).
Dans le cas d'un demi tour, il y a-t)il une préférence entre les deux. Vous allez me dire que le tour complet est bien mieux, mais bon. S'il fallait faire un choix, plutot Les Houches-Champieux Courmayeur ou bien Courmayeur-Champex-Les houches ???
Merci de me donner vos avis.
Bonjour,
avez-vous pensé à l'option Les Houches - Courmayeur - Argentières (et rattraper votre point de départ en train dans la vallée de Chamonix)? L'option col du bonhomme - tête des fours plutôt que Champieux est vraiment top!
Solcha.
avez-vous pensé à l'option Les Houches - Courmayeur - Argentières (et rattraper votre point de départ en train dans la vallée de Chamonix)? L'option col du bonhomme - tête des fours plutôt que Champieux est vraiment top!
Solcha.
On avait pensé faire : Les Houches-Chalet du Truc-Refuge col du Bonhomme-(Col des Fours)-Refuge Elisabetta-Courmayeur , puis retour par le tunel. Avec sac a dos de 10-12 kg et tente.
Cest vrai que le tour nous plairait mieux, mais on devrait prendre 3 bus je crois, sauf si je me suis mal renseigner, pour relier Courmayeur à Champex. Ca nous permet de boucler le tour en 8 jours. Maintenant ce trajet en bus est p-e une erreur ???
C'est pour ca qu'on c'est dit autant rester en vadrouille dans la montagne et ne faire q'un demi tour, mais fatallement plus court en jours de marche.
J'avais aussi une autre question. Lorsqu'on dors sous tente a coté d'un refuge, a-t-on acces à la salle commune et au commodité ( moyennant finance j'imagine ), peut-on passer la soirée dans le refuge et ne pas y dormir. Faut-il prevenir aussi les refuges si on dors sous tente, pour les repas j'imagine que oui, enfin sait pas trop. Mais je vais surement demander par mail directement a chaque refuge...
Merci
J'avais aussi une autre question. Lorsqu'on dors sous tente a coté d'un refuge, a-t-on acces à la salle commune et au commodité ( moyennant finance j'imagine ), peut-on passer la soirée dans le refuge et ne pas y dormir. Faut-il prevenir aussi les refuges si on dors sous tente, pour les repas j'imagine que oui, enfin sait pas trop. Mais je vais surement demander par mail directement a chaque refuge...
Merci
Lorsqu'on dors sous tente a coté d'un refuge, a-t-on acces à la salle commune et au commodité ( moyennant finance j'imagine ), peut-on passer la soirée dans le refuge et ne pas y dormir. Faut-il prevenir aussi les refuges si on dors sous tente, pour les repas j'imagine que oui, enfin sait pas trop. Mais je vais surement demander par mail directement a chaque refuge...
Salut Si tu dors sous tente à côté du refuge, oui tu peux y manger le soir. C'est ce que j'ai toujours fait. Mais il vaut mieux prévenir par précaution et respect vis à vis des gérants. Les prévenir la veille suffit en général. Et bien sûr tu as accès à la salle commune. Pour les "commodités", toilettes, oui; douches, ça dépend : il te faudra peut-être payer un petit quelques chose.
Il est également de bon ton de prévenir dès que tu arrives. D'une part pour confirmer que tu vas manger le soir, et d'autre part pour demander où tu peux planter ta tente.
(au passage, salut à Patrick44 😉 )
Salut Si tu dors sous tente à côté du refuge, oui tu peux y manger le soir. C'est ce que j'ai toujours fait. Mais il vaut mieux prévenir par précaution et respect vis à vis des gérants. Les prévenir la veille suffit en général. Et bien sûr tu as accès à la salle commune. Pour les "commodités", toilettes, oui; douches, ça dépend : il te faudra peut-être payer un petit quelques chose.
Il est également de bon ton de prévenir dès que tu arrives. D'une part pour confirmer que tu vas manger le soir, et d'autre part pour demander où tu peux planter ta tente.
(au passage, salut à Patrick44 😉 )
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Merci, je pense que c'est ce qu'on fera. Reste a voir si on fait le tour complet avec une partie en bus, ou faire juste 1/2 tour sur ou nord.
Maintenant je pensais aussi, ca vaut ce que ca vaut, vous que nous avons 8 jours max. C'est de commencer le tour aux Houches, puis col du bonhomme, courmayeur, champex, argentiere. Puis bus d'argentiere aux Houches...
Salut Fred !!
Ma réponse : Il existe une navette de bus pas chère qui amène de la gare du Fayet à la sortie des Contamines ce qui met le refuge de Nant Borrant à moins d'une heure et donc la suite à planifier. Moi je trouverais génial de partir de là, puis Bonhomme, Courmayeur et les cretes vers Bertone ( super bivouac à 100m du refuge face au Mont Blanc ) col Ferret et bus à La Fouly pour rejoindre Champex. De là, le top du top, la Fenêtre d'Arpette pour revenir vers la France et les transports : à finaliser.
Pour ce qui est des bus entre Courmayeur et Champex, ne pas oublier qu'entre les 2 il y a la frontière élevée du col Ferret qui ne se franchit qu' à pieds et qu'il serait vraiment dommage de passer par le Val Veny plutôt que par les cretes : on découvre les 13 glaciers du massif au fur et à mesure de l'avancée.
Sur 8 jours ça doit cadrer mais si en rentrant en France tu peux garder une journée de libre, fais le balcon entre le col des Montets, le lac Blanc, Plan Praz, le Brévent ( quitte à descendre en téléphérique ) ce balcon, si le temps est clair, c'est du pur bonheur.
KENAVO Patrick
Je crois que cela résume très bien!
Même en 7 jours, il y a de quoi faire un super tour!
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Hi everyone,
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.





