La vallée des merveilles vers le 15 avril
by Vilcanota
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Profitant de quelques jours dans le sud vers le 15 avril, j'aimerai aller me balader dans la vallée des merveilles. Est ce encore les conditions hivernal à cette époque (enneigement).Y a t'il accés aux refuges sans partir en "expé" avec tout le matos haute montagne 🙂.Autrement y a t'il une rando sur trois jours accessible dans la région sans être dans la neige jusqu'au menton?
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Salut,
Tu devrais pouvoir monter sans problème au refuge des merveilles depuis les Meshes, par contre le passage de la baisse de Valmasque pour aller au refuge du même nom c'est très dangereux si c'est enneigé ce qui est souvent le cas jusqu'en juin.
En partant de Casterino on peux aussi rejoindre le refuge de Valmasque par 2 chemins, une large piste qui doit être praticable, un sentier qui mène au lac de l'Agnel qui est magnifique mais qui ne dois pas être praticable à cette saison.
Pour plus d'info : http://dchabaud.club.fr/index.html puis My personal Web Page, puis Quelques randonnées, puis lien Alpes Maritimes
Sinon dans le coin il y la cime de la Marta qui est pas mal et qui doit être praticable.
Tu devrais pouvoir monter sans problème au refuge des merveilles depuis les Meshes, par contre le passage de la baisse de Valmasque pour aller au refuge du même nom c'est très dangereux si c'est enneigé ce qui est souvent le cas jusqu'en juin.
En partant de Casterino on peux aussi rejoindre le refuge de Valmasque par 2 chemins, une large piste qui doit être praticable, un sentier qui mène au lac de l'Agnel qui est magnifique mais qui ne dois pas être praticable à cette saison.
Pour plus d'info : http://dchabaud.club.fr/index.html puis My personal Web Page, puis Quelques randonnées, puis lien Alpes Maritimes
Sinon dans le coin il y la cime de la Marta qui est pas mal et qui doit être praticable.
Bub
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Super sympa de m'avoir répondu, je vais aller voir sur le lien transmis et regarder les cartes pour plus de détails.Nous sommes équipés pour la marche sur neige (fraîche et dure) petite expérience de 20 ans de crapahus dans les alpes dont pas mal de courses de neige mais l'âge se fait sentir😉 et je ne veux pas me prendre la tête pour trois jours.La montée au refuge des merveilles vaut elle le coup? si nous ne pouvons pas aller plus loin, je vais me rabattre sur tes autres propositions.Merci encore😎
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Salut Vilcanota,
La montée jusqu'au refuge des Merveilles ne présente pas d'intérêt (encaissé, piste à 4*4), il faut aller au-delà. De plus, il n'est pas dit du tout que ce soit accessible en avril. Il y a peu de neige cette année mais elle peu très bien retomber d'ici là. Il m'arrive en avril d'y monter en skis.
Il ne faut pas espérer monter à pieds secs au-dessus de ce refuge à cette période. De plus, les gravures de la vallée seront sous la neige.
Si tu as d'autres questions n'hésite pas.
David
La montée jusqu'au refuge des Merveilles ne présente pas d'intérêt (encaissé, piste à 4*4), il faut aller au-delà. De plus, il n'est pas dit du tout que ce soit accessible en avril. Il y a peu de neige cette année mais elle peu très bien retomber d'ici là. Il m'arrive en avril d'y monter en skis.
Il ne faut pas espérer monter à pieds secs au-dessus de ce refuge à cette période. De plus, les gravures de la vallée seront sous la neige.
Si tu as d'autres questions n'hésite pas.
David
En partant de Casterino on peux aussi rejoindre le refuge de Valmasque par 2 chemins, une large piste qui doit être praticable
Attention, cette piste n'est pas praticable avant mai/juin en général. En hiver, il se forme dessus un bombé de neige déversant vers un ravin très encaissé, très dangereux. L'accès au refuge de Valmasque par ce chemin est également très avalancheux.
Attention, cette piste n'est pas praticable avant mai/juin en général. En hiver, il se forme dessus un bombé de neige déversant vers un ravin très encaissé, très dangereux. L'accès au refuge de Valmasque par ce chemin est également très avalancheux.
Merci pour tous les bons tuyaux, va falloir que je me rabatte plus au sud et me contenter de randos les pieds au sec, en Vésubie peut être ? Ou alors rester sur le litoral et faire les sentiers du côté de St Cassien, sinon je trouverai bien de quoi assouvir ma soif de marche 😎.
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La piste 4x4 qui monte des Meshes jusqu'au refuge des merveilles c'est pour les familles italiennes qui monte picqueniquer. Par contre à un moment il y a un sentier qui part sur la droite et monte le long du torrent dans la foret donc sans danger et c'est très joli.
Par contre au delà de la baisse de Valmasque c'est très dangereux car la neige peut recouvrir les lacs et c'est plutôt encaissé. Même équipé c'est pas évident y'a moyen facile de prendre un bain prolongé!
Par contre au delà de la baisse de Valmasque c'est très dangereux car la neige peut recouvrir les lacs et c'est plutôt encaissé. Même équipé c'est pas évident y'a moyen facile de prendre un bain prolongé!
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Ok merci, connais tu des balades sympa même dures qui pourraient se passer au sec?Peut importe la région du moment que c'est au sud est 😉
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Entre Vésubie et Tinée, tu dois pouvoir randonner tranquille autour du Brec d'Utelle. Sinon, toute la vallée de l'Estéron devrait être sèche à cette période mais je trouve ce secteur moins joli.
Coté Vésubie, il est possible que nombre de balades soient faisables si les températures et le soleil du moment persistent. Tout ce qui est au sud déneige à grande vitesse.
Coté Vésubie, il est possible que nombre de balades soient faisables si les températures et le soleil du moment persistent. Tout ce qui est au sud déneige à grande vitesse.
Je prends note et je vais plonger dans les cartes, merci encore et bon W-E😉
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Sinon, n'hésite pas à me demander les conditions du coin début avril, je suis là jusqu'au 10, après je pars au Sahara.😎
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Ok je ne manquerai pas de te soliciter car j'ai vraiment envie d'aller par là pour les congés de Paques 😉 et ensuite faire un coucou aux amis et amies de Nice 😎
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hello
je recommande ce site dans lequel se trouve un topo pour une rando ski au refuge des merveilles
chemin : topo/roya/refuge des merveilles
http://www.alpes-sud.net/
amicalement
je recommande ce site dans lequel se trouve un topo pour une rando ski au refuge des merveilles
chemin : topo/roya/refuge des merveilles
http://www.alpes-sud.net/
amicalement
marc de Nice
Merci pour le lien, mais par manque de temps je vais faire des randos dans les Gorges du Verdon sur trois jours 🙂.
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Tiens un aficionados ! 😎 Salut à toi !
David
David
cool le site ...et pratique !
mon meilleur souvenir de ski n est pas la descente de la face nord du cimet mais celle du "pas de chêvre" aux grands montets avec des conditions similaires et un soleil de folie...
c 'était au siècle dernier en 1990 !!!
mon meilleur souvenir de ski n est pas la descente de la face nord du cimet mais celle du "pas de chêvre" aux grands montets avec des conditions similaires et un soleil de folie...
c 'était au siècle dernier en 1990 !!!
marc de Nice
c 'était au siècle dernier en 1990 !!!
Tu veux dire quand il y avait de la neige ?!😕
Tu veux dire quand il y avait de la neige ?!😕
la même question discutée pour la mi-avril m'interesse pour la fin mai (2006 😉). je vous ai lu qu'il y a des risques d'avalanches, mais réellement jusqu'à fin mai? les refuges ouvrent pour la plupart le 1er juin. je suis interessé par le refuge de Valmasque...
mon seul passage dans cette région était fin septembre 1996 et j'ai beaucoup aimé....
salutations du tyrol, andré
mon seul passage dans cette région était fin septembre 1996 et j'ai beaucoup aimé....
salutations du tyrol, andré
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From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.