Comparaison entre le train ou le Bus pour relier Kuala Lumpur depuis HatYai (Thailande). (mars 2017)
Conclusion personnelle :
Si on part le matin, moins cher avec beaucoup d'horaires et de compagnies, je trouve les bus plus pratiques, car le train du matin est désavantagé par une correspondance entre le train thai et malais qui impose 3heures d'attente dans une cafétéria limitée.
Par contre si on choisit de partir vers 13h d'HatYai pour KL, le train est sera plus rapide d'1 (à 2) heures mais nous arriverons à KL vers 22h00 ou (21h). Les nouveaux trains malais sont très confortables, avec un petit repas offert, et vont à 140km/h.
Remarque : si on veut faire un stop à Penang (Butterworth), il y a alors beaucoup plus de train malais de Padang Besar pour Butterworth que pour KL, à mon avis la rapidité et le confort des trains malaisiens prennent l'avantage sur le bus ou le minivan quelque soit l' heure de départ.
Comparaison détailée:
HATYAI KL EN BUS : Gros bus VIP confortable et Pick up possible en centre ville d'HatYai (de l’hôtel, de l'agence...) : 450 à 600THB suivant la compagnie, le Bus, l'agence de voyage... 8h30 à 9h de trajet (passage frontière et arrêt repas compris), drop off à KL à la gare routière TBS-BTS (bien le vérifier avant). J'ai fait 4 fois le trajet KL-HatYai (2010/2011) dans chaque sens avec différentes compagnies, j'ai trouvé les BUS VIP malaisiens très confortables, le seul bemol est le passage frontière un peu long, surtout dans le sens KL-HatYai. avec les sacs a se trimbaler dans de longues queues car il y a foule tot le matin.
HATYAI KL EN TRAIN : Le Train est plus confortable, plus rapide mais plus cher 670 ou 870THB au total(76 ou 102MYR +70THB soit environ 670 THB ou 870THB au total). Mais si on prend le train de 7h30 d'Hatyai, on a 3heures d'attente du trains malaisien à Padang Besar ce qui rend la durée total plus longue ! En effet le train du matin de 7h30 d'Hatyai arrive vers 8h25 (soit 9h25 pour la Malaisie car il y a 1 heure d'écart entre la Malaisie et la Thaïlande) et le premier train en suivant pour KL part à 12h55 soit 3heures d'attente le matin dans une très modeste cafétéria (bon marché) et pas d'autre restaurant proche de la gare. On arrivera vers les 18h05 à KL, soit une durée totale du trajet depuis Hatyai de 9h30! (18h05-1h00(décalage Malaisie/Thaïlande)-7h30= 9h35).
Si on prend le train de 13h05 de HatYai, on arrive à 14h00 à Padang Besar (soit 15h00 en Malaisie) et il faut se dépêcher pour attraper le train de 15h43 car même facile, il faut 30minutes pour le passage des postes frontières (quand il n'y a pas trop de monde), on arrivera alors le soir à 21h 09 à KL Sentral (durée totale du trajet 7h05). (Attention, train à 15h43 uniquement certains jours de la semaine, et les billets sont tous vendus quelques jours avant. Et si le train de 13h05 d'Hatyai a du retard, et/ou si il y a beaucoup de monde à passer la frontière... peut on encore espérer attraper ce train de 15h43 ?)
Si on prend le train malais suivant de 16h55 de Padang Besar on arrivera à KL Sentral vers 22h03 (soit 8h de durée totale du trajet depuis la gare de HatYai avec la grosse heure d'attente à Padang Besar comprise).
L'arrivée des trains aux stations tres centrales de Kuala Lumpur : station « Kuala Lumpur » (Pasar Seni) ou « KL Sentral » offre là aussi un gain de temps d'environ 30 minutes (si notre hotel est vers Chinatown) par rapport au Drop Off des Bus à la gare routière BTS TBS.
Depuis le 19th May 2016, le train couchette Hatyai-KL est supprimé et de nouveaux horaires sont mis en place à cause de la mise en service des trains rapides électriques (140km/h) sur le réseau malaisien. Il est devenu impossible d'acheter un billet qui combine les réseaux thaïlandais et malaisien, il faut acheter 2 billets séparément, 1 pour le réseau Thaïlandais et 1 autre pour le réseau malaisien...
Contrairement à des infos du net, en Mars 2017, le train thaïlandais d'Hatyai a pour terminus Padang Besar malais, où l'on descend et où s'effectue les 2 passages frontières l'immigration thaïlandaise, et la malaisienne. Donc tous les tampons se font maintenant à la station Padang Besar coté malais avec quasiment rien à marcher. Mais comme précédemment mentionné, la correspondance entre les trains thaïlandais et malaisiens impose le matin 3 heures d'attente à la gare de Padang Besar et il n'y a qu' une modeste cafétéria, (bon marché) pour tuer le temps, pas de restaurant, ni de café à proximité immédiate de la gare de Padang Besar malaisienne. L'après midi les temps d'attente sont plus courts mais cela nous fait arriver le soir à KL soit à 21h09 soit à 22h03.
Ceci sont mes comparaisons en mars 2017. Cette comparaison entre bus et train peut être complètement à revoir lors du prochain changement des horaires des trains thaïlandais ou malaisien.
AVION :
Même si ce n'est pas le sujet, il faut savoir qu'AirAsia offre assez souvent des promotions sur les vols KL-Hatyai dans les 1700THB (990+670 avec le bagage), mais à condition de s'y prendre bien à l'avance, ou d'avoir de la chance ! Car si on ne s'y prend que quelques jours avant, on risque de ne trouver que des vols à 3000 ou 4000 THB ! M'y étant pris trop tard, j'ai eu beau cherché je n'ai rien trouvé à moins de 4000THB !
Tiré du site:
www.train36.com/...i-shuttle-train.html
Padang Besar Hat Yai Shuttle Train
From 22nd December 2015 there is a new Padang Besar Hat Yai Shuttle Train service in operation with two services a day in each direction.
The trip covers a distance of 60 Kilometres and takes 55 minutes. At Padang Besar Railway Station in Malaysia, there is border control for both Thailand and Malaysia.
Hat Yai
07.30
13.05
Padang Besar
08.25 (09.25 Malaysian time)
14.00 (15.00 Malaysian time)
Mais lors de notre trajet le train de HatYai pour Padang besar de 7h30 arriva avec 10minutes d'avance (soit à 8h15 heure thaïlandaise et 9h15 heure malaisienne)
Padang Besar-Kuala Lumpur horaires des trains pour KL : De "http://www.train36.com/jadual-ets-padang-besar.html", www.train36.com/...ts-padang-besar.html, complété par le site Busonlinetick et
"http://www.busonlineticket.com/"]http://www.busonlineticket.com/ et Easybook : www.easybook.com/...besar-to-kualalumpur)
A partir Busonlineticket et Easybook il est facile d'obtenir les horaires des trains pour KL pour le jour projeté, (ATTENTION , d'un jour à l'autre certains trains ne circulent pas) :
6h45 76MYR (durée 5h10 à 5h30 suivant le train)
9h13 102MYR
12h55 102MYR
13h58 102MYR
15h43 76 MYR (pas tous les jours et duree 5h26 au lieu de 5h08, et souvent tous les billets sont déja vendus quelques jours avant)
16h55 102MYR
19h40 76MYR (parfois pas de train)
Comme je l'ai dit précédemment, on constate que le train thaïlandais du matin qui arrive à Padang Besar impose 3h d'attente. Par contre l'après midi il n'y a que 43min ou 1h55 de décalage entre l'arrivée du train thaïlandais et le départ du train malaisien
_ le train de 15h43 part donc 43 minutes après l'arrivée théorique du train thaïlandais, ce qui est peut être suffisant pour passer les frontières et attraper ce train, s'il n'y a pas trop de monde à passer les frontières, mais le train de 15h43 sera sans doute impossible à attraper si le train thai a du retard, ou si il y a beaucoup de mondes aux frontières ! (Il nous faudrait un retour d'expérience d'un autre VF )
Le train de 16h55 donne 1h43 pour passer les frontières, acheter son billet ce qui est amplement suffisant (et je n'ai pas/jamais vu ce train complet sur internet)
New Padang Besar to KL Sentral ETS schedule from 1st February 2017 :
EG9021 : Departs Pdg. Besar at 06:45 - Arrives KL Sentral at 12:18.
EP9401 : Departs Pdg. Besar at 09:13 - Arrives KL Sentral at 14:38.
EP9501 : Departs Pdg. Besar at 12:55 - Arrives KL Sentral at 18:08.
EP9007 : (operates on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays only) Departs Pdg. Besar at 13:58 - Arrives KL Sentral at 19:13.
EG9219 : Departs Pdg. Besar at 15:43 - Arrives KL Sentral at 21:16.
EP9009 : Departs Pdg. Besar at 16:55 - Arrives KL Sentral at 22:10.
EG9525 : Departs Pdg. Besar at 19:40 - Arrives KL Sentral at 01:12.
RÉSUMÉ
TRAIN : LE MATIN prendre le train de 7h30 de HatYai permet le départ de 12h55 de Padang Besar et nous arrivons le soir à KL (Pasar Seni) vers 18h 00 pour 102MYR plus 60THB soit 870THB, soit 9h30 au total de trajet (18h00-1h00(décalage Malaisie/Thaïlande)-7h30= 9h30).
(Pour éviter cette attente de 3heure, on peut prendre un bus de Hatyai pour Padang Besar vers les 10heures plutôt que le train thaïlandais de 7h30, i.e. faire un trajet bus et train)
L'APRÈS MIDI, prendre le train de 13h05 d'HatYai, permet le départ de (15h43?) ou 16h55 de Padang Besar et nous arrivons le soir à KL vers (21h) ou 22h15 pour 102MYR plus 60B soit pour 870THB (ou 670THB pour le train de 15h43).
BUS : de multiples Bus VIP partent de HatYai Bus terminal toute la journée et mettent environ 8h30 à 9h00 pour 450 à 600 THB. Beaucoup de compagnies proposent aussi un service de Pick up en centre ville, de l'hotel ou d'agence de voyage. Certains hotels vendent aussi des billets pour toutes les destinations et offrent un pick up de l'hotel. Beaucoup d'agences vendent des billets et prennent une forte commission mais certaines sont raisonnables. Les sites d'achat en ligne Easybook, Busonlineticket offrent des infos comparatives … mais si on passe par un site d'achat en ligne, je ne pense pas qu'il soit possible de se faire prendre en centre ville.
Mais on peut aussi prendre le bus à HatYai Bus Terminal, il semble me souvenir que l'on peut acheter des billets au centre de cette gare, et refuser l'aide des rabatteurs qui vous demandent « Où allez vous ? » vous paierez plus cher votre billet et vous n'aurez plus le choix ni de l’horaire ni de la compagnie.
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” (M. Twain)
Bonjour
Pour info : sur le site "Busonlineticket.com" :
Vous pouvez prendre un bus VIP direct entre Hat Yai et l aéroport de Kuala Lumpur ( KLIA ) .
Cie TRANS MVS EXPRESS
Départ Hat Yai à 10.00 et 19.00
Départ Klia à 9.00 et 22.00
Coût : 78,75 MYR ( 620 Baths ou 16 € ) .
Merci pour ces infos complémentaires. 🙂
Pour le vol retour, Asie-Europe, je préfère toujours etre dans la ville de mon vol retour 1 ou 2 jours avant, on ne sait jamais... 😉 (On n'est jamais à l'abris d'imprévus, de correspondances manquées, ... ) Et 1 jour ou 2 à Kuala Lumpur ou Bangkok permet de faire quelques achats avant de rentrer... 🙂 😉
Comment aller du centre de Kuala Lumpur (Chinatown/ Pasar Seni) à l'aéroport international KLIA et KLIA2:
1. Par le train "KLIA EXPRES":
C'est l'option la plus rapide, surtout aux heures de pointes, mais doit d'abord aller en gare de "KL Sentral", lieu de départ des trains “KLIA Expres” et “KLIA transit” pour l'aéroport.
Trains “KLIA Espres” (direct) ou “KLIA transit” (3 stops) jusqu'à l'Aeroport: en 28 min ou 34 minutes, pour 55 MR ! (autant le LRT ou le KTM du métro de Kuala Lumpur sont bons marchés que ce train rapide est cher !)
De Chinatown (Pasar Seni) pour nous rendre à la station "KL Sentral", on peut :
__ soit prendre le métro aérien LRT (ligne 5) et descendre à la station suivante "KL Sentral" (1,2MR, 5min). Meme si la gare “KL Sentral” est immense, la correspondance du LRT au KLIA est rapide.
__soit prendre le KTM Komuter (ligne 1 ou ligne 2) à la station “Kuala Lumpur” et descendre à la station suivante "KL Sentral" . Depuis Chinatown, on rejoint cette station "Kuala Lumpur" par un long pont piéton enjambant les lignes de trains.
_- soit prendre un taxi meter (normalement pas plus de 9MR). Le taxi peut etre utile si l'hotel est loin d'une station du LRT ou du Komuter.
Remarque : on peut diminuer le prix du train rapide KLIA pourl' Aeroport, en prenant le train rapide non pas de "KL Sentral", mais de la station "Terminal Bersepadu Selatan at Bandar Tasik Selatan" (TBS-BTS), station qui est plus proche de l'aéroport.
Pour se rendre à la station TBS -BTS depuis Chinatown: Prendre le KTM à la Gare "Kuala Lumpur" et prendre sur la ligne 1 la direction Pulau Sebang/Tampin. 5 stations, train toutes les 15min, 30min de trajet. On peut aussi prendre le LRT jusqu'à "KL Sentral" puis le KTM jusqu'a "TBS-BTS". Ou encore, etc, etc. Meme si les correspondances à "KL Sentral" sont rapides, il peut y avoir beaucoup de monde, et une attente importante aux automotes des billets pour le KTM.
(voir la carte ci dessous le plan du metro de Kuala Lumpur pour comprendre le chemin à faire pour se rendre à cette nouvelle gare routière TBS - BTS)
2; Par le Bus:
C'est le moins cher (RM 10) . Mais cela peut etre très long car il y a de plus en plus d'embouteillage à KL (1h15 à 2h) je déconseille cette option aux heures de pointes ou prévoir une marge de temps confortable.
Le départ des bus pour les aéroports (Aerobus) est de la station "KL Sentral" au niveau inférieur, en dessous du Centre Commercial. (10MR de 1 à 2h suivant le trafic)
Il existe aussi un bus pour l'aéroport qui part en face de Pudaraya, près du magasin MYDIN près de Chinatown, mais le lieu de départ n'est pas facile à trouver. (11 à 12MR, 1 à 2h)
Attention pour le retour à l'aéroport: Le bus met souvent plus longtemps pour revenir de KL a l'aeroport que le trajet inverse car il fait un détour, et le trafic à KL peut etre vraiment bloqué.
3; Par taxi: Un voyageur a mis 50 minutes en taxi (102Ringgits) mais à 23 heures! Attention Je ne conseille pas du tout un taxi aux heures de pointes 😕 car vous risquez de manquer votre avion.
A l'aéroport internationnal de Kuala Lumpur, il y a de nombreux restos, dont un Food Garden (prix raisonnables). Départ des vols au niveau 5.
Bonne journée
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” (M. Twain)
Merci pour ces infos complémentaires. 🙂
Pour le vol retour, Asie-Europe, je préfère toujours etre dans la ville de mon vol retour 1 ou 2 jours avant, on ne sait jamais... 😉 (On n'est jamais à l'abris d'imprévus, de correspondances manquées, ... ) Et 1 jour ou 2 à Kuala Lumpur ou Bangkok permet de faire quelques achats avant de rentrer... 🙂 😉
Comment aller du centre de Kuala Lumpur (Chinatown/ Pasar Seni) à l'aéroport international KLIA et KLIA2:
1. Par le train "KLIA EXPRES":
C'est l'option la plus rapide, surtout aux heures de pointes, mais doit d'abord aller en gare de "KL Sentral", lieu de départ des trains “KLIA Expres” et “KLIA transit” pour l'aéroport.
Trains “KLIA Espres” (direct) ou “KLIA transit” (3 stops) jusqu'à l'Aeroport: en 28 min ou 34 minutes, pour 55 MR ! (autant le LRT ou le KTM du métro de Kuala Lumpur sont bons marchés que ce train rapide est cher !)
De Chinatown (Pasar Seni) pour nous rendre à la station "KL Sentral", on peut :
__ soit prendre le métro aérien LRT (ligne 5) et descendre à la station suivante "KL Sentral" (1,2MR, 5min). Meme si la gare “KL Sentral” est immense, la correspondance du LRT au KLIA est rapide.
__soit prendre le KTM Komuter (ligne 1 ou ligne 2) à la station “Kuala Lumpur” et descendre à la station suivante "KL Sentral" . Depuis Chinatown, on rejoint cette station "Kuala Lumpur" par un long pont piéton enjambant les lignes de trains.
_- soit prendre un taxi meter (normalement pas plus de 9MR). Le taxi peut etre utile si l'hotel est loin d'une station du LRT ou du Komuter.
Remarque : on peut diminuer le prix du train rapide KLIA pourl' Aeroport, en prenant le train rapide non pas de "KL Sentral", mais de la station "Terminal Bersepadu Selatan at Bandar Tasik Selatan" (TBS-BTS), station qui est plus proche de l'aéroport.
Pour se rendre à la station TBS -BTS depuis Chinatown: Prendre le KTM à la Gare "Kuala Lumpur" et prendre sur la ligne 1 la direction Pulau Sebang/Tampin. 5 stations, train toutes les 15min, 30min de trajet. On peut aussi prendre le LRT jusqu'à "KL Sentral" puis le KTM jusqu'a "TBS-BTS". Ou encore, etc, etc. Meme si les correspondances à "KL Sentral" sont rapides, il peut y avoir beaucoup de monde, et une attente importante aux automotes des billets pour le KTM.
(voir la carte ci dessous le plan du metro de Kuala Lumpur pour comprendre le chemin à faire pour se rendre à cette nouvelle gare routière TBS - BTS)
2; Par le Bus:
C'est le moins cher (RM 10) . Mais cela peut etre très long car il y a de plus en plus d'embouteillage à KL (1h15 à 2h) je déconseille cette option aux heures de pointes ou prévoir une marge de temps confortable.
Le départ des bus pour les aéroports (Aerobus) est de la station "KL Sentral" au niveau inférieur, en dessous du Centre Commercial. (10MR de 1 à 2h suivant le trafic)
Il existe aussi un bus pour l'aéroport qui part en face de Pudaraya, près du magasin MYDIN près de Chinatown, mais le lieu de départ n'est pas facile à trouver. (11 à 12MR, 1 à 2h)
Attention pour le retour à l'aéroport: Le bus met souvent plus longtemps pour revenir de KL a l'aeroport que le trajet inverse car il fait un détour, et le trafic à KL peut etre vraiment bloqué.
3; Par taxi: Un voyageur a mis 50 minutes en taxi (102Ringgits) mais à 23 heures! Attention Je ne conseille pas du tout un taxi aux heures de pointes 😕 car vous risquez de manquer votre avion.
A l'aéroport internationnal de Kuala Lumpur, il y a de nombreux restos, dont un Food Garden (prix raisonnables). Départ des vols au niveau 5.
Bonne journée
Merci Jean François
Moi aussi , Je prend à chaque fois le bus à 10 MYR entre KL SENTRAL et l aéroport .
A noter : il y a une navette de bus gratuits entre les 2 terminaux .
NOUVEAUX HORAIRES DES TRAINS MALAISIENS : bien plus pratiques ! 🙂 🙂
Les nouveaux horaires des trains malaisiens semblent maintenant s'accorder parfaitement avec l'arrivée des trains thaïlandais à Padang Besar, laissant le temps de passer les 2 immigrations et d'attraper le train malaisien pour Kuala Lumpur un peu après. Ainsi, par rapport à ma comparaison précédente, le train l'emporte sur le Bus pour ce trajet HatYai--Kuala Lumpur au point de vue rapidité et confort, que l'on prenne le train du matin ou de l'après midi. Les bus malaisien sont confortables (à très confortables), mais le voyage avec ce train moderne et rapide est encore plus confortable.🙂 🙂
Le train thaïlandais (50thb, confort similaire aux trains thai « Special Express ») de 7h30 de HatYai arrive à 8h25 à Padang Besar (soit 9h25 malaisian time) ce qui donne 1h50 de battement pour passer les 2 immigrations et attraper le train de 11H15 pour Kuala Lumpur (102MR, 5h30), train malaisien qui arrivera à 16h48 à la station centrale « Kuala Lumpur » de la ville de Kuala Lumpur, soit au total 8h18 de trajet (16h48-7h30 – 1h décalage).
Le train de l'après midi de 14H00 de HatYai donne lui 1h20 de battement à Padang Besar pour passer les 2 immigrations et attraper le train malais de 17h13 (malaisian time) pour Kuala Lumpur (102MR, 5h30) qui arrivera vers 22H46 à KL, soit 7h46 de voyage. (22h46-14h00-1h décalage)
Revers de cette excellence : il semble que toutes les places de ces trains soient vendu un à deux jours avant. En simulant un achat sur internet, plus aucune place de ces trains n'est disponibles 1 jours avant, et relativement peu restent à la vente 2 jours avant, ce qui imposent d'acheter les places du train malaisien pour KL à l'avance, au minimum 2 jours avant.
REMARQUE :
__ La différence de durée avec le bus semble faible, mais les bus arrivent à la gare routière TBS-BTS et il faut rajouter 45min pour aller en centre ville, (de plus, les bus ont souvent du retard).
__ Si à KL on veut loger près de Chinatown (Pasar Seni), il faut descendre à la station « Kuala Lumpur » et emprunter la longue passerelle spécial piéton (de mémoire en queue de quai) qui enjambe la rivière et mène à la station Pasar Seni. (Cette passerelle piéton n'est pas indiqué ni sur GoogleMaps, ni sur Maps.Me, logiciels qui vous rallongent et vous font passer par un pont routier pas agréable du tout).
__ Pour les autres destinations/hôtels du centre ville, la station du train où il faut descendre est la station suivante « Sentral KL », station immense et ultramoderne en liaison avec toutes les lignes de métro, et moyens de transport (KTM, Taxis...).
__ Si on arrive tard le soir à son hôtel de Kuala Lumpur, je recommande de réserver sa chambre à l'avance, car les hôtels de KL sont souvent complets.
Je donne ci dessous les principales modifications d'horaires et les liens pour les vérifier :
TRAIN THAÏLANDAIS DE HATYAI À PADANG BESAR : (50baht)
7h30 arrive à 8h25 à Padang Besar (soit 9H25 heure malaisienne, horaire inchangé)
14H00 arrive à 14h55 à Padang Besar (soit 15h55 heure malaisienne, nouveau horaire)
TRAIN THAÏLANDAIS DE PADANG BESAR à HATYAI (pour revenir à HATYAI)
8H55 arrive à 9H50 à HatYai (horaire thaïlandais inchangé)
15h40 arrive à 16h35 à HatYai (horaire thaïlandais, nouvel horaire)
(Lorsqu'il est 8h55 en Thaïlande, il est 9h55 en Malaisie).
www.train36.com/...i-shuttle-train.html
TRAIN MALAISIEN DE PADANG BESAR pour KUALA LUMPUR : Le train passe par la station centrale « Kuala Lumpur » (proche du quartier chinois et du Pasar Seni), avant d' arriver à la station « KL Sentral » 8 minutes plus tard.
De Padang Besar pour Kuala Lumpur
7:47
11:15
14:20
17:13
18:05
www.train36.com/...ts-padang-besar.html
LE PRIX DES BILLETS DE TRAINS SONT INCHANGÉS : 102MR (76MR pour le train de 18h05 mais pas de raison de le prendre)
Ticket Prices for the ETS Padang Besar to Kuala Lumpur Train
ETS Gold Service train tickets from Pdg Besar to Kuala Lumpur cost :
Adults 76 MYR (590baht)
Children 42 MYR
Platinum services cost:
Adults 102 MYR (775baht)
Children 55 MYR
Train numbers starting with EG are ETS Gold Services.
Train numbers starting with EP are ETS Platinum Services
(www.train36.com/...to-kuala-lumpur.html)
ACHAT RÉSERVATION DU BILLET DE TRAIN:
Par le site malaisien officiel des trains malaisiens « KTMB E TICKET » :
www.ktmb.com.my/bookingjourney.html
Tickets can be purchased from any Malaysian mainline station in advance, or you can book your tickets on the day at your departure station (if there are any seats left).
We would however not recommend you go to Padang Besar without first buying your tickets before you arrive.
The best way to book train tickets in advance in Malaysia is to book them online.
You can either book them through an online ticketing agent (usually the most easiest way to book - and sometimes cheaper) or direct from the KTMB website.
(www.train36.com/...to-kuala-lumpur.html)
On peut imprimer son billet soi même ou le retirer au guichet avec son code de réservation.
Payment is made by credit card and at the moment they except Visa, Mastercard or American Express.
Once you have made your train ticket booking, you can choose to print out the e-ticket yourself or pick it up from the ticket office at the station before boarding, giving them your booking reference.
Je donne ci dessous le seul site commercial qui semble fonctionner et qui permet de voir les réservations des trains Padang Besar/KL sur la journée mais on peut acheter son billet sur le site officiel des trains malaisien ETS/KTMB (lien ci dessus) et je ne fais pas de pub pour le site ci dessous, il est juste plus pratique pour voir les réservations sur l'ensemble des trains :(si le lien ne fonctionne plus, ou change, il faut se mettre sur la page malaisienne de easybook, puis train, et Padang Besar Perlis comme gare de départ ... )
www.easybook.com/en-my
ou
www.easybook.com/...besar-to-kualalumpur
Voili, voilà, les nouvelles infos pour faire son choix, 😉 bon voyage à tous 🙂
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” (M. Twain)
COMPARAISON AVEC L'AVION (ESTIMATION À AFFINER)
L'aéroport de HatYai est à 15km du centre ville, soit 30 min en taxi (selon google), et compte tenu des embouteillages fréquents d'HatYai, prévoir 30 minute pour se rendre à l'aéroport me paraît un minimum prudent (je me souviens d'embouteillage assez terrible). De plus il s'agit d'un vol international, et comme la région est sous la menace terroriste (contrôle et fouille à l'entrée de tous les bâtiments publics), il faut mieux prévoir d'arriver au moins 1h30 avant le départ de ce vol international. Aussi, à priori, partir de l’hôtel pour l'aéroport 2H (1h30+30) avant l'heure du vol me paraît un minimum prudent. L'avion met 1h10.
A Kuala Lumpur, le débarquement, le passage de l'immigration et la récupération des bagages nous prends habituellement de mémoire environ 1h30 (mais 1h est possible pour les rapides, premiers à sortir de l'avion, chance avec l'immigration et les bagages, sans arrêt toilette, etc...). L'aéroport de Kuala Lumpur est lui même à 30minute du centre ville par train rapide (KLIA Express a KL Sentral. 28-33 minutes. RM55 ) ou 1H00/1H30 par bus (10MR pour Chinatown) (je me souviens d'avoir eu une fois la malchance d'un bus pris dans les embouteillage qui mit 2H aux heures de pointe, mais 1h /1H30 est habituel en bus). De la récupération des bagages à la prise du train rapide (fréquence toutes les 20 minutes, et 15min aux heures de pointes), voir pour changer un peu d'argent, on peut prévoir15 à 30 minutes supplémentaires.
La durée total du trajet en avion (du centre de HatYai au centre de Kuala Lumpur) est donc à priori : 30 (taxi) +1h30+1h10 (vol)+1h (à 1h30 récupération bagage) +15 à 30 min+30' KLIA (ou 1h à 1H30 bus) = soit de 5 à 7H.
COÛT : pour cette simulation au hasard du calendrier, puisqu'on doit acheter son billet de train au moins 2 jours avant, j'ai regardé le prix des billets d'avion Airasia à la vente également 2 jours en avance, (donc pour cette simulation du 28 février), Billet d'avion du 2 mars, soit 1680thb (Les billets d'avion varient de 900 thb à 3500thb, mais il faut ajouter le prix du bagage soute 620thb, le train rapide aéroport KL 420thb, taxi HatYai environ 300thb).
Donc, le cout total en avion : 300thb Taxi aéroport de HatYai (estimation perso de 300thb, car je n'ai pas vu de taximeter à HatYai mais je peux me tromper) + 1680thb billet aller simple + 630thb(bagage soute 20kg) + O (pas choisi de siège donc 0thb) + 55MR (420thb) (KLIA Express) = 3030thb
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L'avion représente donc un surcoût par rapport au train d'environ 2200thb (3030-820) soit environ 60€ (35thb= 1€) mais permet un gain de temps d'environ 2h (de 1 à 3 heures) par rapport au train.
CONCLUSION : Pour un surcoût d'environ 60€ l'avion permet un gain d'environ 2h par rapport au train, du centre ville d'HatYai au centre ville de Kuala Lumpur. Le train malaisien circule à 140km est très confortable, et un petit repas est compris dans le prix du billet du train. Ce deux modes de transports (avion ou train) sont très confortables l'un l'autre. Cependant le bilan carbone est très nettement en faveur du train.
Voilà pour aider chacun à faire son choix. Bonne journée à tous 😉
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” (M. Twain)
Voyager en train › Thaïlande / Malaisie · 2 replies
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Bonjour à tous
Je n ai pas trouvé d infos récentes sur Kuching
Est ce quelqu un peut recommander un hotel ou une guesthouse à moins de 100 RM bien et pas cher? pas de dortoir merci
Est ce qu en novembre il pleut beaucoup et aller à Semenggoh ou Bako vaut le coup ou pas?
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight)
· Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok)
· Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok)
· Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x")
· Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok)
· Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok)
· Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok)
· Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling.
For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees?
We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo.
Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.