Itinéraire possible en Namibie?
by Nouche
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
J'ai bien parcouru le forum mais une question me travaille :
Si par exemple, je voulais aller en Namibie pour voyager tranquillement, à savoir rester 2 jours à Windhoek en arrivant, puis prendre le bus pour une région définie à l'avance, rester 3 jours sur place en logement semi dur ou bed and brekfast, prendre 1 guide pour partir en balade à pied 1 journée, 1 autre jour visiter une réserve, le 3è jour rester tranquillement à regarder vivre les gens du village, et repartir ailleurs en bus pour voir un peu plus loin, ceci pendant 12 ou 13 jours, ce qui ferait disons 3 étapes si on compte une journée de bus à chaque fois. Est ce possible?
Je pose cette question car tout d'abord nous voyagerions en plein pendant les vacances de noel, et nous ne tenons absolument pas à courir après le temps qui passe trop vite.
Ensuite, nous serions une famille de 5 adultes à participer à ce voyage, et les parents ne se sentent pas d'humeur à dormir sous la tente tous les soirs, mal de dos oblige!!!
Enfin, le budget! Nous voudrions bien le faire ce 1er voyage en afrique, mais les prix des logements et de la location de voiture semblent nous en interdire l'accès.
Alors merci pour votre aide et vos conseils.
Bon week end à tous, il fait très très beau , il faut profiter de cette belle journée.
Bonjour ,
C'est sûr que le seul budget vols aériens vers la Namibie pour 5 personnes en période de congés va représenter une sacrée dépense ! Sur le plan financier , ce n' est pas une direction bon marché . Je le sais car nous y partons à 2 dans une semaine pile , et j' ai en mémoire comparativement le coût de voyages récents dans l' Ouest américain pour des durées équivalentes ( en ce qui nous concerne 3 grosses semaines ) . C' était sensiblement moins cher , mais néanmoins magnifique et sympa ... La Namibie , pour ce que j' en ai lu ou échangé ici ne me parait pas forcément bien adaptée à la nature de votre projet , et dimensionnée à la brièveté du séjour prévu . Les connaisseurs vous le diront probablement mieux que moi . Pourquoi ne pas aller vers des pays moins éloignés et peut-être + typiquement africains , comme le Mali ou le Cameroun ? Bonne réflexion . Pour ce qui est du beau temps , j' ai regardé par la fenêtre mais je ne l' ai pas vu ... 😕 . Mais ça devrait s' arranger dans 1 semaine ! 😉
C'est sûr que le seul budget vols aériens vers la Namibie pour 5 personnes en période de congés va représenter une sacrée dépense ! Sur le plan financier , ce n' est pas une direction bon marché . Je le sais car nous y partons à 2 dans une semaine pile , et j' ai en mémoire comparativement le coût de voyages récents dans l' Ouest américain pour des durées équivalentes ( en ce qui nous concerne 3 grosses semaines ) . C' était sensiblement moins cher , mais néanmoins magnifique et sympa ... La Namibie , pour ce que j' en ai lu ou échangé ici ne me parait pas forcément bien adaptée à la nature de votre projet , et dimensionnée à la brièveté du séjour prévu . Les connaisseurs vous le diront probablement mieux que moi . Pourquoi ne pas aller vers des pays moins éloignés et peut-être + typiquement africains , comme le Mali ou le Cameroun ? Bonne réflexion . Pour ce qui est du beau temps , j' ai regardé par la fenêtre mais je ne l' ai pas vu ... 😕 . Mais ça devrait s' arranger dans 1 semaine ! 😉
Bonjour,
Effectivement, ça ne me semble pas une façon très évidente de prendre les choses. Windhoek n'a pas grand intérêt pour y passer 2 nuits et le seul autre endroit ou tu pourrais pratiquer des activités à partir d'un point fixe, c'est la côte (Swakopmund/Walvis Bay).
Sans voiture, on ne peut pas faire grand chose. Le réseau de transports en commun est quasi inexistant et les villes où mènent éventuellement les bus n'ont pas grand intérêt touristique.
Si tu ne veux pas camper une petite voiture citadine et des hébergements dans des guest farms me semble la meilleure manière de tenir un budget raisonnable. Les dites guest farms proposent des activités, game drive, balade guidée à pied etc…
Merci pour la réponse. En fait, je voulais la Namibie parce que je voudrais voir des animaux sauvages, je voudrais aussi me promener dans un pays sûr, sans soucis. Mais je ne veux pas faire ni de la voiture tous les jours, ni du safari tous les jours. C'est comme ça que j'ai pensé que la Namibie répondrait bien à mes attentes.
Pour le fait de partir si loin juste 15 jours, je pense que c'est un faux problème. On n'a pas d'autres vacances en famille, c'est important pour nous d'être ensemble "ailleurs".En general, nous partons 10 jours avant mon mari et moi, histoire de se retrouver un peu, de récupérer aussi de notre année de routine.
S'il n'y a pas de bus locaux, il y a peut etre des trains. Notre but n'est pas de rouler rouler rouler. Bien souvent , nous retournons au moins une fois dans un même pays, pour comprendre et apprécier un peu mieux.
Merci pour vos avis.
Bon week end quand meme, sans le soleil. Dommage, c'est bien aussi avec le soleil!!!
Merci aussi pour ta réponse.
Je vais essayer de trouver des adresses de guest farms. Pas facile, tout ce que je trouve est à des prix prohibitifs. Et puis le bus local, nous , on adore parce que c'est souvent là qu'on fait des super rencontre, on adore la proximité et les échanges de nourritures, les photos, et même les pannes . ça fait partie du voyage. La voiture solo, ça nous enquiquine. On peut peut etre se débrouiller sur place pour trouver une camionnette qui nous emmènerait quelquepart, ça se fait se genre de truc là bas?
Par ailleurs, on va donc oublier Windhoek. On y restera 1 jour quand même.C'est pour être un peu dans l'ambiance. C'est souvent tellement surprenant ces capitales étrangères !
Je continue à croire qu'on va trouver , même si ce n'est pas habituel de visiter ce pays de la sorte, je suis sûre qu'il y a des gens qui vivent là bas qui vont me dire que c'est possible.Et on va trouver les solutions.
Merci et bon week end.
Vous pouvez faire un très beau voyage de 15 jours en Namibie. Mais par contre, il vous faut une voiture. C'est un grand pays et il est impossible de se déplacer en transports en commun (en tout cas en tant que touriste).
C'est effectivement un très bon choix pour conjuguer paysages superbes et animaux.
Si vous ne voulez pas rouler, rouler, rouler, alors il faut vous concentrer sur quelques étapes : clairement Etosha si vous aimez les animaux ou vous pouvez rester 3 ou 4 jours ; pour ce que vous voulez faire, je vous recommenderais de rester dans le nord du Pays, vers le Damaraland et le Kaokoland (ce qui vous fera manquer Sesriem et les dunes du Namib, incontournable de Namibie ; mais à vous de choisir) : au nord de Spitzkoppe et Palmwag. Il y a beaucoup de carnets ici qui décrivent les endroits.
Dans chacun de ces endroits, vous trouverez des campings ou des lodges abordables.
Bon voyage !
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Juste un point encore , si les animaux sauvages sont une priorité . Je crois que fin décembre est dans la saison des pluies , et si la multiplication des points d' eau rend l' observation des oiseaux + favorable , c' est le contraire pour les grands animaux terrestres . On peut parait-il beaucoup mieux les observer à la fin de notre été , et plus encore en septembre-octobre . Il vaut mieux le savoir .
Bon futur voyage à vous 5 ! 🙂
Allez jean michel, un peu de positivisme...Partons du principe qu'il est indispensable que nous soyions en Namibie à noel, nous 5, pour voir les animaux sauvages en plus du reste. Est ce que les pluies sont si insurmontables ? Dites moi plutot quelles régions éviter pour ne pas être noyer dans mon bungalow de fortune .Il nous est impossible de partir à une autre période. C'est LE désavantage de travailler à son compte, on part en vacances uniquement lorsque les clients n'ont pas besoin de nous.
Encore merci de vous interesser à mon projet, je m'y vois déjà!
Bonjour et merci pour votre intérêt à ce projet. J'apprécie vos encouragements, c'est agréable à lire.
Dites moi pourquoi en tant que touristes nous ne pouvons pas prendre les bus locaux?
Je ne suis jamais allée en afrique, juste en asie à plusieurs reprises, thailande, laos et vietnam. On s'est toujours fait tout petits au milieu des autochtones, et on a vécu des moments magiques. Alors pourquoi pas en Namibie?
J'ai un doute sur Etosha, effectivement pas sûr qu'on y voit beaucoup d'aniamux à cette période, et de plus probablement le coin le plus visité de toute la Namibie? J'ai bien peur qu'avec notre sens du voyage un peu "décallé" nous nous retrouvions en marge dans un tel endroit.
Je vais chercher des infos sur Sesirem, je crois que me souvenir en avoir lu beaucoup de bien.
Merci pour votre aide, et bon week end.
Pj : du soleil , du soleil , encore du soleil, il brille fort chez depuis 2 jours déjà (!), alors je partage avec grand plaisir.
C' est donc bien volontiers que je laisse s' exprimer tous ceux qui sauront se montrer "positifs" , sans restriction aucune .
Veuillez m' excuser , mais l' emploi du conditionnel pour évoquer ce projet de voyage n' indiquait pas à l' évidence une décision ferme et définitivement prise .
C'est vrai, j'ai attaqué sous un angle "imaginaire".
Après réflexion, vu nos finances, la seule façon pour nous de nous rendre en Namibie est de faire exactement comme les gens sur ce forum : partons du principe qu'il n'y a plus qu'à, et donc il me manque juste les adresses pas trop chers dans les coins pas trop humides à noel , avec quand meme des beaux animaux, et pas trop de monde, parce que c'est toujours le monde qui fait augmenter les prix.Toutefois, il semblerait que s'il n'y a pas de monde, c'est qu'il n' y a pas d'interets non plus...
Je vais donc relire les carnets de voyage, et surtout prendre des notes, mais aussi je suis sûre que vous allez m'aider à trouver ce que je cherche, c'est pas si sorcier , je cherche du simple et convivial, avec de belles bêtes en arrière plan.
Bonjour,
Tout d'abord, votre projet de voyage est interréssant, J'espere que vous réussirez a avoir le maximum d'infos pour le concretiser.
Quelques infos utiles sur ces liens :
Les routes, les bus, le réseau feroviaire (carte et infos): Le transport en Namibie
Les températures, la pluviométrie, ... des principales villes de Namibie : Le climat de la Namibie
Les campings, lodges, ... : Les hébergements en Namibie
Listes d'autres liens utiles : Liens utiles Namibie
Bonne préparation !
Tout d'abord, votre projet de voyage est interréssant, J'espere que vous réussirez a avoir le maximum d'infos pour le concretiser.
Quelques infos utiles sur ces liens :
Les routes, les bus, le réseau feroviaire (carte et infos): Le transport en Namibie
Les températures, la pluviométrie, ... des principales villes de Namibie : Le climat de la Namibie
Les campings, lodges, ... : Les hébergements en Namibie
Listes d'autres liens utiles : Liens utiles Namibie
Bonne préparation !
bon vent à tous!!
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Pour Etosha, oui, il y a du monde, d'autant plus que Noel correspond aux vacances d'été pour l'Afrique du Sud. Mais bon, si vous aimez les animaux, c'est LE parc de Namibie. Les autres sont beaucoup plus confidentiels... Même en tant que tourist iconoclaste, vous ne serez pas décalés ! Ce n'est pas l'Afrique authentique, mais c'est le safari réussi assuré !
Effectivement Noel = saison des pluies, donc moins bien que juilet / aout = saison sèche. Ca joue surtout sur les fauves, qu'il sera plus dur de voir. Comme vous dites, vu que la période s'impose a vous, faut faire avec !
Pour les transports en commun, c'est pas une histoire d'autochtone ou pas autochtone. C'est une histoire qu'il n'y en a (presque) pas ! n'essayez pas de transposer ce que vous avez vécu en asie sur l'afrique... ça ne marche pas !
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Pour les transports en commun, c'est pas une histoire d'autochtone ou pas autochtone. C'est une histoire qu'il n'y en a (presque) pas ! n'essayez pas de transposer ce que vous avez vécu en asie sur l'afrique... ça ne marche pas !
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Bonjour, merci pour la réponse.
Donc c'est d'accord, j'ai bien compris qu'il n'y a pas de bus locaux en Namibie .Je dois donc revoir mes calculs...
Par contre j'ai bien enregistré que Etosha, c'est le must. Mais s'il n'y a pas de trace de fauves en décembre, ça n'est plus un must ?
Faut m'excuser, je dois arriver à bien saisir le fonctionnement du pays avant de me lancer, car l'investissement financier n'est pas des moindres. Sans sompter le temps que l'on passe à puiser les informations dans la quantité de carnets de voyages ou dans les guides.
Enfin, vous avez raison de me signifier de ne pas imaginer que l'asie , même pauvre, puisse ressembler à l'afrique. C'est probablement le seul point où je suis sûre de moi , pas de soucis de ce côté là.
Bon dimanche et merci pour tous les avis pouvant m'aider .
Pour voir des fauves tu peux aussi envisager le KTP au sud de la Namibie
Sinon oui je t'engage à te renseigner un peu plus sur le pays et tu verras que le pays est grand et totalement désertique.
Donc forcément des km à faire pour rallier un point à un autre et pas grand monde à rencontrer entre deux.
Hors Etosha tu pourras voir des antilopes, des zèbres et des girafes, éventuellement les éléphants du désert mais c'est bien tout. Pour voir beaucoup d'animaux c'est à Etosha et avec les contraintes indiquées de la saison.
En décembre avec le début des pluies arrive aussi les grosses chaleurs. Un élément à prendre en considération pour ceux qui craignent.
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Je pense qu'on peut "résumer" la chose en disant : Namibie = 3/4 paysages (Désert du namib, Naukluft, Damaraland, Kaokoland) et 1/4 animaux (principalement à Etosha).
Côté paysages, été comme hiver, ils ne bougent pas ! :-) L'avantage du Damaraland au nord est qu'en poussant, vous arriverez dans le pays des himbas et comme vous avez l'air d'être à l'aise avec les rencontres locales, alors, surement arriverez vous à faire des rencontres authentiques !
Pour Etosha en décembre, tout dépend de votre habitude des safaris. Si ce sont vos premiers safaris, alors vous serez de toute façon émerveillés... Si vous êtes des habitués des safaris, c'est sur que vous n'aurez pas grand chose de nouveau... Comme dit vinnylove, il y a le KTP, mais c'est tout au ... sud :-(
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Bonjour,
Tant de choses déjà exprimées et a raison de plus.
J'aimerai juste ajouter que faire la Namibie sans moyen de locomotion cela veut dire: rester sur place.
Par contre avec une voiture oui nous pensons passer à côté des contacts humains si souvent enrichissants quand ils se font dans un voyage en bus ou en train. Pas vraiment possible en Namibie!
Par contre en individuel, en voiture les étapes entre le point A et B ne sont pas à considérer comme une simple liaison. La nature s'offre à vous, l'arrêt photo devient découverte pour admirer un scarabé, une fleur, un caillou. Le paysage est changeant, jamais lassant, toujours nouveau... La voiture n'est pas une prison dorée mais bel et bien un outil précieux pour rencontrer ce pays et s'y fondre.
Belles préparations à "votre voyage"
Tant de choses déjà exprimées et a raison de plus.
J'aimerai juste ajouter que faire la Namibie sans moyen de locomotion cela veut dire: rester sur place.
Par contre avec une voiture oui nous pensons passer à côté des contacts humains si souvent enrichissants quand ils se font dans un voyage en bus ou en train. Pas vraiment possible en Namibie!
Par contre en individuel, en voiture les étapes entre le point A et B ne sont pas à considérer comme une simple liaison. La nature s'offre à vous, l'arrêt photo devient découverte pour admirer un scarabé, une fleur, un caillou. Le paysage est changeant, jamais lassant, toujours nouveau... La voiture n'est pas une prison dorée mais bel et bien un outil précieux pour rencontrer ce pays et s'y fondre.
Belles préparations à "votre voyage"
Liz
Bonjour Voyageur,
Il s'agit bien de notre tout 1er safari...Une belle découverte en perspective.
On ne m'a pas encore suggéré de me tourner vers le Kenya ou la Tanzanie. Les prix y sont peut etre plus abordables? Mais il est vrai que nous avons choisi la Namibie , car il semblerait que le pays soit moins visité à cette période. Je sais bien que nous devons nous faire à l'idée que nous sommes nous mêmes des touristes envahissant, mais nous préférons les voyages un peu loin des foules.
Je viens de recevoir une offre d'itinéraire par Madiza, je vais la coller sur ma réponse au message suivant.
Merci pour votre aide.
Bonne journée, je souhaite que le soleil brille partout en France aujourd'hui, c'est si bon.
Bonjour Thébasile,
Je vois que vous avez bien compris ma problématique. Petit à petit, des gens apportent un peu d'eau à mon moulin, et je vous en remercie tous chaleureusement.
J'ai reçu une offre deMediza, mais manque de bol, je n'arrive pas à l'insérer ici, c'est en format pdf, si qqu peut me dire comment faire, merci
Merci et bonne journée à tous.
Sâââluuuut...
On ne connait pas le montant de ton budget par personne. ça nous aiderait à comprendre.
Vu le post en entier, je pense que ton trip pourrait être : Etosha (si les lions sont sympas), Obatere Camp site (les mêms animaux que Etosha sans les fauves), Opuwo camping ou bungalows, Epupa campings.
Mais reste à savoir comment tu vas transporter le matériel de camping si tu n'as pas de voiture, et plus généralement comment tu vas faire pour passer d un point à l'autre ?
Ou alors voir pour rester autour de Kamanjab Ou alors, tu pars, tu prends un bus, et Inch Allah.. !
Rappel : un pays deux fois grand comme la France et 2 ou 3 millions d'habitants (chiffres à vérifier). Deux grands axes routiers goudronnés (nord-sud, ...).
Si tu en es à explorer les TO locaux, essaye Tourmaline et Bel Africa qui ont bonne réputation ici et qui proposent des Tours adaptés.
Bonne voyage... en réver c est déjà voyager. Franck
On ne connait pas le montant de ton budget par personne. ça nous aiderait à comprendre.
Vu le post en entier, je pense que ton trip pourrait être : Etosha (si les lions sont sympas), Obatere Camp site (les mêms animaux que Etosha sans les fauves), Opuwo camping ou bungalows, Epupa campings.
Mais reste à savoir comment tu vas transporter le matériel de camping si tu n'as pas de voiture, et plus généralement comment tu vas faire pour passer d un point à l'autre ?
Ou alors voir pour rester autour de Kamanjab Ou alors, tu pars, tu prends un bus, et Inch Allah.. !
Rappel : un pays deux fois grand comme la France et 2 ou 3 millions d'habitants (chiffres à vérifier). Deux grands axes routiers goudronnés (nord-sud, ...).
Si tu en es à explorer les TO locaux, essaye Tourmaline et Bel Africa qui ont bonne réputation ici et qui proposent des Tours adaptés.
Bonne voyage... en réver c est déjà voyager. Franck
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Salut Francky,
Merci pour tes observations. Je compte aussi voir avec Tourmaline, j'ai lu effectivement que les forumistes apprécient ses services.
Mon budget, il serait de 9 000 euros pour 5 adultes, vols internationaux compris. En plein décembre, pour le moment il n'y a pas de vols en dessous de 1200 ou 1250 euros départ marseille ou nice. On a 1 départ de Casa sur les 5, je verrai peut etre pour celui ci avec emirates, car remonter sur francfort c'est pas top.
Ca nous laisserait 600 euros par personne pour le trip. Bon, on poussera jusqu'à 800, c'est d'ailleurs sur cette base que Madiza a opéré, mais il faut savoir que mon mari ne dormira pas sous tente igloo, problème de dos, donc impossible. Ok sous tente avec lits, mais pas question de se loger à 4 pattes dans la hutte!!!
Ce soir, je vais regarder pour faire suivre le pdf de Madiza, vous me direz ce que vous en pensez.
Merci et bonne journée.
Re bonjour,
Je vais donc vous donner l'itineraire proposé par Madiza
- J1/Windhoek-accueil aeroport, remise voiture +bons voyages Hébergement Londiningi GH avec pdj du lendemain.
- J2/Windhoek - Etosha (Namutoni ) 530 km / 6h30 Direction nord par la B1 Hébergement Onguma Bush Camp / bungalows avec pdj du lendemain. Situé à 800 m de l'entrée .
- J3/Etosha (Namutoni - Okaukuejo ) Journée en safari seul. Hébergemnt Etosha Safari Camp avec pdj du lendemain.
- J4/Etosha Okaukuejo - Twyfelfontein. 330 km 5h de route . Hébergement Aabadi Camp avec pdj du lendemain.
- J5/Twifelfontein - Swakopmund. 450 km de piste via Cape Cross . 6h Hebergement Intermezzo Hotel avec pdj du lendemain.
- J6/Swakopmund.2è nuit Intermezzo hotel. Pdj du lendemain.
- J7/Swakopmund - Sesriem. Passage par Solitaire. 350 km de pistes, 6h. Hébergement Desert Camp à Sesriem avec pdj du lendemain.
- J8/Sossusvlei. 2è nuit au Desert Camp avec pdj du lendemain.
- J9/Sesriem - monts Hochland . 365 km de pistes+ route. 5h30 Hébergement Hochland Nest avec diner + pdj du lendemain.
- J10/Monts Hochland - Windhoek. 50km piste + route . 1 h. Fin du circuit.
Donc pas de prix défini à ce jour car Madiza attend les tarifs de l'hiver prochain. Minimum 800 euros/personne à mon avis. Pour nous, il y a 3 , voire 4 jours à rajouter puisqu'on est en vacances 15 jours. Ensuite, il y a trop de route quotidiennement. Ce n'est pas la conduite qui nous effraie, c'est le fait de rester toute la journée en voiture, entre nous, et de gueter les animaux, que nous ne sommes pas sûrs de voir à cette saison-là si j'ai bien tout suivi !
Je vous laisse à vos claviers, merci de me donner vos avis , pertinents cela va de soi ! Meri et bonne aprèm.
- J1/Windhoek-accueil aeroport, remise voiture +bons voyages Hébergement Londiningi GH avec pdj du lendemain.
- J2/Windhoek - Etosha (Namutoni ) 530 km / 6h30 Direction nord par la B1 Hébergement Onguma Bush Camp / bungalows avec pdj du lendemain. Situé à 800 m de l'entrée .
- J3/Etosha (Namutoni - Okaukuejo ) Journée en safari seul. Hébergemnt Etosha Safari Camp avec pdj du lendemain.
- J4/Etosha Okaukuejo - Twyfelfontein. 330 km 5h de route . Hébergement Aabadi Camp avec pdj du lendemain.
- J5/Twifelfontein - Swakopmund. 450 km de piste via Cape Cross . 6h Hebergement Intermezzo Hotel avec pdj du lendemain.
- J6/Swakopmund.2è nuit Intermezzo hotel. Pdj du lendemain.
- J7/Swakopmund - Sesriem. Passage par Solitaire. 350 km de pistes, 6h. Hébergement Desert Camp à Sesriem avec pdj du lendemain.
- J8/Sossusvlei. 2è nuit au Desert Camp avec pdj du lendemain.
- J9/Sesriem - monts Hochland . 365 km de pistes+ route. 5h30 Hébergement Hochland Nest avec diner + pdj du lendemain.
- J10/Monts Hochland - Windhoek. 50km piste + route . 1 h. Fin du circuit.
Donc pas de prix défini à ce jour car Madiza attend les tarifs de l'hiver prochain. Minimum 800 euros/personne à mon avis. Pour nous, il y a 3 , voire 4 jours à rajouter puisqu'on est en vacances 15 jours. Ensuite, il y a trop de route quotidiennement. Ce n'est pas la conduite qui nous effraie, c'est le fait de rester toute la journée en voiture, entre nous, et de gueter les animaux, que nous ne sommes pas sûrs de voir à cette saison-là si j'ai bien tout suivi !
Je vous laisse à vos claviers, merci de me donner vos avis , pertinents cela va de soi ! Meri et bonne aprèm.
Tu es en train de vouloir résoudre la quadrature du cercle...
Si tu ne veux prendre que les transports en commun, tu fais comment pour rejoindre Etosha, Twifelfontein, Swakop, Sesriem...
Et si tu ne veux pas faire trop de voiture, comment tu fais pour visiter plusieurs sites dans un pays immense... ?
Je ne pense pas que ton choix soit dans nos réponses pertinentes, ton choix se trouve dans le dos de ton mari, et votre envie d'être ensemble, à 5, à longueur de temps.
D'autre part rester toute la journée en voiture, entre nous, et de gueter les animaux Tu ne guetteras les animaux que à Etosha, et quelques rares endroits (autruches, kudu...etc). Et à Etosha, le seul moyen c'est d'aller en voiture d'un point d'eau à l'autre. Le reste du temps vous vous gueterez entre vous 5 ...😛 Vaut mieux le savoir avant.
Donc apparemment tu envisages la location de voiture finalement ? Tu as regardé les prix des loc ? il te reste combien par jour quand tu enlèves le prix de la voiture ?
Haaarrrrghhh Va falloir choisir Nouche, et choisir... c'est renoncer à certaines choses. Pas facile hein ! 😕
Mais tout ça ce ne sont que des bons problèmes... Bon voyage. Franck
Si tu ne veux prendre que les transports en commun, tu fais comment pour rejoindre Etosha, Twifelfontein, Swakop, Sesriem...
Et si tu ne veux pas faire trop de voiture, comment tu fais pour visiter plusieurs sites dans un pays immense... ?
Je ne pense pas que ton choix soit dans nos réponses pertinentes, ton choix se trouve dans le dos de ton mari, et votre envie d'être ensemble, à 5, à longueur de temps.
D'autre part rester toute la journée en voiture, entre nous, et de gueter les animaux Tu ne guetteras les animaux que à Etosha, et quelques rares endroits (autruches, kudu...etc). Et à Etosha, le seul moyen c'est d'aller en voiture d'un point d'eau à l'autre. Le reste du temps vous vous gueterez entre vous 5 ...😛 Vaut mieux le savoir avant.
Donc apparemment tu envisages la location de voiture finalement ? Tu as regardé les prix des loc ? il te reste combien par jour quand tu enlèves le prix de la voiture ?
Haaarrrrghhh Va falloir choisir Nouche, et choisir... c'est renoncer à certaines choses. Pas facile hein ! 😕
Mais tout ça ce ne sont que des bons problèmes... Bon voyage. Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Salut,
J'ai lu attentivement tes souhaits et envies.
Je pense que sur le budget fixé, ça va être difficile de boucler ce voyage.
Les nuits en lodges sont très chères. (80€ par personne au moins). Il va falloir camper un maximum de fois mais ce n'est pas possible apparemment.
Pour info, sachant quer le prix de l'avion est incompressible, je suis sur la base de 450 €/jour par personne l'été prochain, billets d'avions (1200€/p) inclus...
J'aurai encore à payer quelques campings et les repas, l'essence, l'entrée dans les parcs, etc.
Je vais plus souvent aux USA, il est sûr que ça revient moins cher.
Je ne voudrais pas me faire jeter comme Jean-Michel, mais ça risque de pas le faire au niveau budget.
Merci fred,
Si c'est moi qui ai "jeté" jean michel , désolée jean michel, j'ai pas voulu être désagréable.. Mille excuses.
Pour le budget, je ne peux pas faire mieux.
On va en reparler entre nous, c'est pas si grave, ce ne sont que des envies de voyages après tout.
Je vous remercie tous, je reviendrai sans doute bientot avec LA solution.
Désoloée pour mes propos pas très gentils sans doute. J'ai pas fait attention.
Et bon voyage alors, veinard...
Merci pour la réponse claire.
Je vais aller voir mon banquier , ...
Non, je vais revoir ma destination, c'est plus sage! Avec 9 000 euros, on doit bien encore trouver à s'amuser quelque part ???
Bonjour Nouche,
Après avoir lu les derniers posts concernant votre future voyage je pense qu'il est bien de dire au TO tes envies premières.
Oui les points essentiels de Namibie sont Etosha, le Damaraland, la Côte et Sesriem sur un tour de 2 à 3 semaines. Pourquoi ne pas donner tes envies premières à un TO après avoir fait une sélection du style: Je préfère voir peu mais bien! Je préfère m'imprégner d'un lieu que de tous les voir! Demande également un tour avec l'option hébergement qui est entre le campement et le lodge: à savoir la tente avec lit en dur. (Tented camp) Il y en a de joli à des prix raisonnables (exemple le lodge de la whyte lady demande env 500 NAD pour une tente de 2 personnes) Madiza, Tourmaline oui mais sans oublier Bel Africa qui peut te proposer ce que tu recherches. Les propositions que tu nous a noté dans les autres posts sont de très longues étapes à mon humble avis. Bonnes recherches.
Après avoir lu les derniers posts concernant votre future voyage je pense qu'il est bien de dire au TO tes envies premières.
Oui les points essentiels de Namibie sont Etosha, le Damaraland, la Côte et Sesriem sur un tour de 2 à 3 semaines. Pourquoi ne pas donner tes envies premières à un TO après avoir fait une sélection du style: Je préfère voir peu mais bien! Je préfère m'imprégner d'un lieu que de tous les voir! Demande également un tour avec l'option hébergement qui est entre le campement et le lodge: à savoir la tente avec lit en dur. (Tented camp) Il y en a de joli à des prix raisonnables (exemple le lodge de la whyte lady demande env 500 NAD pour une tente de 2 personnes) Madiza, Tourmaline oui mais sans oublier Bel Africa qui peut te proposer ce que tu recherches. Les propositions que tu nous a noté dans les autres posts sont de très longues étapes à mon humble avis. Bonnes recherches.
Liz
Disons 800€ par personne, ça vous fait 4000€ pour 5 pour 15 jours. Disons entre 1000 et 1500€ pour la voiture : à vous de voir le type de véhicule que vous voulez prendre vu que vous êtes 5. Attention, vous l'aurez compris maintenant, pour aller d'un point à l'autre, faut faire de la route - euh, de la piste -, donc il ne faut pas prendre trop petit. Donc ça vous laisse 2500 à 3000€. Je pense que c'est largement jouable, mais ça serait plus simple si vous acceptiez de camper... on peut pas tout avoir !
Sinon, concernant le circuit de votre agence, ça vous fait faire un grand tour puisque vous allez de Etosha jusqu'à Sesriem. Si vous voulez limiter la route, je suggère que vous restiez dans le Nord : le Damaraland est magnifique. Vous louperez Sesriem, mais là encore, on ne peut pas tout avoir !
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Ah, vous pensez que je dois persevérer dans l'étude du projet?
Je vais m'y replonger alors.
Merci, je vais voir du côté du damaraland.
Bonne soirée
Bonjour,
une idée pour budget serré: prendre le bus (voir intercape) pour Tsumeb pour un forfait we et visiter Etosha pendant les 3 jours.
Pour les transports locaux, c'est le stop à la sortie des villes ou dans les stations-services, sauf dans le nord, plus peuplé (Rundu, Katima) .
Mahango est un parc tranquille et intéressant, au bord de l'Okavango. Location de voiture à Rundu pour y aller?
De Katima, transports classiques locaux pour aller à Victoria falls, plutôt via Botswana, site moins cher et agréable.
Vols mixte aller Windhoek/ retour Victoria falls, le tout via Johanesbourg. Ebookers propose ce genre de vols ouverts.
De quoi cogiter...
De quoi cogiter...
philou et cathy
bonsoir et merci pour ces infos.
J'ai toutefois abandonné le projet africa pour cette année, je ne boucle pas le budget, trop peu de marge de manoeuvre. Je ferais ce voyage plus tard, quand les conditions requises seront réunies.
Encore merci, j'ai pris des notes et je reviendrai bientot j'espere vers vous.
bonne soirée
anne
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Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
Hi there,
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
Hi everyone!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
hi
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi,
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?