Tokyo, Osaka du 23 décembre au 3 janvier 2009
by Valdechancri
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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sommes 4 personnes 2 grands 2 jeunes 22 et 16 ans, arrivée tokyo 8h30 le 23.12 pensons y rester 3 nuits puis on terminerait par 2 nuits kyoto et 2 nuits osaka ou peut t on rester à kyoto et se deplacer en revenant
chaque soir sur kyoto sachant que l'on a l'avion à 10h35 a osaka le 03.01. Il reste donc 4 nuits pour aller ailleurs
tout a l'air tellement magnifique je ne sais pas vraiment comment organiser notre voyage toutes vos idées sont
les bienvenues surtout sur les endroits a ne surtout pas manquer pensons aller au max jusqu'a hiroshima adresse de riokan les bienvenus également sauf sur tokyo c'est déja trouvé merci d'avance pour vos conseils que j'attend
avec impatience😏
Perso je rallongerai d'une journée (au moins !!!) à Tokyo pour réduire Osaka : cette ville est sans grand intérêt ; une journée sur place (en dormant à Kyoto) peut suffir. En revanche, même en restant une semaine, vous aurez proportionnellement vu de Tokyo la même chose que si vous étiez restés une seule journée à Paris (la ville est 7 fois plus grande...) ; c'est juste pour vous donner une idée... Idem Hiroshima, intéressant historiquement, est en revanche assez moche : la ville au été reconstruite comme nos villes d'après guerre (genre Brest...), sans style ni charme. Préférez plutôt Nagazaki... même si c'est nettement plus loin.
En fait, comme votre séjour est court, je vous conseille de vous concentrer sur Tokyo et Kyoto (avec éventuellements des sauts vers Nara; Yokohama ou Kamakura). Et, à moins qu'ils soient adeptes de la campagne et allergiques à la ville, je pense que les jeunes auront une très très nette préférence pour Tokyo !
merci pour la réponse je me suis blindé de guides dommage que le routard n'est pas le japon
pourriez vous aussi me dire s il est possible de louer une voiture je sais il faut faire traduire le permis
je pensais faire tokyo à pied bus etc ainsi que kyoto puis aller en train jr chercher une voiture de loc à l'aéroport
d osaka kansai pour faire la campagne hiroshima naha puis rendre la voiture à l'a��roport d osaka kansai mais je
ne trouve pas d'agences représentées au japon c'est peut être idiot comme idée merçi pour les idées et réponses
Bonjour,
Ce n'est pas idiot comme idée mais perso je pense que ce n'est pas la bonne, les transports sont ultra developpe au japon, c'est le pays le plus complet et le plus securise pour les transports alors autant en profiter!
par ailleurs n'oubliez pas que le volant est à droite sur les voitures au Japon, ce qui n'et pas negligeable et le code de la route n'est pas identique, certains panneaux sont ecris en KANJI, je ne sais pas si vous parlez japonais...?
* ***JAPON:TOKYO-YOKOHAMA-KAMAKURA-NIKKO-HAKONE-KYOTO, les temples, les rues, les metros, les trains, les hotels, les parcs, les sorties et le shopping, si vous avez besoin d'info demander moi!****
😏merci pour la réponse non malheureusement on ne parle pas japonais mais on pensait au gps dans les voitures
qui sauvent la situation on pensait aussi a une voiture pour aller dans les campagnes et mont fuji en fait
rester 3 nuits à tokyo sans voiture on a trouver un ryokan edoya 3-20-3 yushima (near ueno) bunkyo-ku tokyo
pour 51000 yens 3 nuits pour 4 avec pti dej et sdbain d'ailleurs j'ai pas encore reserver le prix ça va? et la
situation est ce pas trop loin métro centre ville? merci pour les conseils a ce sujet
donc 3 nuits sans voiture tokyo ensuite prendre train aller kyoto ou hiroshima et recupérer voiture de loc puis
remonter faire campagne fuji puis le reste en voiture et retourner a kyoto rendre la voiture et rester 2 nuits sans
voitures car le train oui ca a l air super mais a 4 c'est chero le pass 7 jours merci pour tout conseils
Ceux qui déconseillent de louer une voiture prétextant que le train est super développé au Japon... n'ont sans doute jamais tenté l'expérience. Pour l'avoir fait, et le faire à chacun de mes voyages au Japon (c'est à dire au moins une fois par an), l'idéal pour découvrir la campagne japonaise est bien sûr, et sans doute possible, la voiture.
Le train, c'est comme en France : parfait pour relier les grandes villes. Mais pour découvrir la campagne et la montagne, le train devient vite très long car petites lignes, beaucoup d'arrêts et de changements. La voiture donne beaucoup plus de latitude et de liberté... C'est aussi beaucoup moins contraignant (pas d'horaires à suivre, pas de problème pour déplacer les bagages) et beaucoup plus facile : certes, certains panneaux sont en Kanjis, les cartes routières sont souvent imprécises et les GPS sont en japonais, mais on y arrive toujours ! Et si tu ne parles pas un mot de japonais, je te défie de négocier un billet de car pour aller à un endroit précis ! Les Japonais parlent déjà peu anglais dans les grandes villes, alors autant te dire que dans la pampa, c'est uniquement du japonais.
De plus, la location de voiture est assez économique (surtout si l'on est deux ou plus...) et surtout, vraiment, elle permet de découvrir à son propre rythme le fin fond du Japon. C'est une expérience top dont je ne me lasse jamais. Quand tu veux aller dans les coins perdus du Périgord ou de l'Ardèche, tu prends le train puis le car ? Ou tu y va en voiture ? Au Japon, c'est pareil !
Il te faudra donc une traduction de permis, à demander auprès de l'ambassade de France à Tokyo (ça marche très bien par courrier). Sinon une fois la bas, la conduite est cool, certes côté gauche et en boîte automatique, mais ce n'est pas comme en France : si tu cherches ta route, personne ne te klaxonnera. Bien sûr, il faut éviter les très grandes villes, mais dans les villes moyennes et les petits bleds, tu peux te garer partout presque toujours gratuitement. Et l'essence est moins chère qu'en France (1 euro le litre)...
Le train, c'est comme en France : parfait pour relier les grandes villes. Mais pour découvrir la campagne et la montagne, le train devient vite très long car petites lignes, beaucoup d'arrêts et de changements. La voiture donne beaucoup plus de latitude et de liberté... C'est aussi beaucoup moins contraignant (pas d'horaires à suivre, pas de problème pour déplacer les bagages) et beaucoup plus facile : certes, certains panneaux sont en Kanjis, les cartes routières sont souvent imprécises et les GPS sont en japonais, mais on y arrive toujours ! Et si tu ne parles pas un mot de japonais, je te défie de négocier un billet de car pour aller à un endroit précis ! Les Japonais parlent déjà peu anglais dans les grandes villes, alors autant te dire que dans la pampa, c'est uniquement du japonais.
De plus, la location de voiture est assez économique (surtout si l'on est deux ou plus...) et surtout, vraiment, elle permet de découvrir à son propre rythme le fin fond du Japon. C'est une expérience top dont je ne me lasse jamais. Quand tu veux aller dans les coins perdus du Périgord ou de l'Ardèche, tu prends le train puis le car ? Ou tu y va en voiture ? Au Japon, c'est pareil !
Il te faudra donc une traduction de permis, à demander auprès de l'ambassade de France à Tokyo (ça marche très bien par courrier). Sinon une fois la bas, la conduite est cool, certes côté gauche et en boîte automatique, mais ce n'est pas comme en France : si tu cherches ta route, personne ne te klaxonnera. Bien sûr, il faut éviter les très grandes villes, mais dans les villes moyennes et les petits bleds, tu peux te garer partout presque toujours gratuitement. Et l'essence est moins chère qu'en France (1 euro le litre)...
merci pour ta réponse nous allons rester sur la voiture entre tokyo et kyoto et nos pieds et bus pour les grandes villes par contre j'ai du mal a trouver des agences de loc et quand j'en trouve elles sont en japonais
Effectivement, les sites sont en général en japonais. Mais ne t'inquiètes pas : tu en trouveras facilement sur place, notamment près des grandes gares et aux aéroports et au pire, tu pourras demander à la réception de ton hôtel... ou dans un Koban (mini commissariat de quartier, mais dans ce cas, il faut préparer ta phrase car les poulets ne parlent pas anglais !). Chez les loueurs, il y a souvent une partie du personnel qui parle anglais (pas dans les petites agences en centre ville mais dans les gares et aéroports). Il n'y a pas besoin de réserver à l'avance et on arrive toujours à se faire comprendre. Le GPS est en japonais donc tu t'en serviras peu. Tu peux en revanche demander d'entrer la destination finale qui t'amènera directement à l'endroit où tu voudras laisser ou ramener la voiture à la fin de ton séjour ; il n'y aura qu'à appuyer sur une touche le moment voulu et suivre le plan (très pratique pour ne pas se perdre dans une zone industrielle ou un aéroport). Sinon, les GPS ont aussi une boussole... et ça, c'est parfois très pratique ! Attention aussi : l'opération sera plus coûteuse si tu rends la voiture dans une agence différente de celle où tu l'as prise (comme en France en fait...).
bonjour
si cela est possible tu peux me dire si le riokan que j'ai trouver à tokyo est correct au niveau situation par
rapport gare bus tu as peut-être une adresse sympa pour dormir à kyoto ou ailleurs😏
Bonjour,
La situation de ton Ryokan est super car proche de UENO, c'est pour moi le quartier idéal pour se ballader sur Tokyo : shopping, resto, JR, metro, rues animes et beaucoup de musée pres du parc de Ueno.
J'ai egalement fait un ryokan à HAKONE (proche Mont Fuji) avec des onsens (bains d'eau chaudes naturelles) si tu as besoin d'adresse, je peux rechercher le nom de celui que j'ai fait
Et surtout, sache que l'ascension du mont fuji ne se fait pas à la periode ou tu y vas, j'espere que tu le savais deja sinon tu risques d'etre decu!
A ta dispo si besoin d'autres infos...je m'absente 10 jours au Canada mais je repondrai à tes questions à mon retour.
Je suis agent de voyage et j'adore le japon, c'est donc pour moi un plaisir d'informer les gens qui s'y rendent!!
Je réponds par message privé car je n'ai pas apprecie le ton du post de Kaneko, on est la pour se donner des conseils et des avis pas pour se la jouer...😉
La situation de ton Ryokan est super car proche de UENO, c'est pour moi le quartier idéal pour se ballader sur Tokyo : shopping, resto, JR, metro, rues animes et beaucoup de musée pres du parc de Ueno.
J'ai egalement fait un ryokan à HAKONE (proche Mont Fuji) avec des onsens (bains d'eau chaudes naturelles) si tu as besoin d'adresse, je peux rechercher le nom de celui que j'ai fait
Et surtout, sache que l'ascension du mont fuji ne se fait pas à la periode ou tu y vas, j'espere que tu le savais deja sinon tu risques d'etre decu!
A ta dispo si besoin d'autres infos...je m'absente 10 jours au Canada mais je repondrai à tes questions à mon retour.
Je suis agent de voyage et j'adore le japon, c'est donc pour moi un plaisir d'informer les gens qui s'y rendent!!
Je réponds par message privé car je n'ai pas apprecie le ton du post de Kaneko, on est la pour se donner des conseils et des avis pas pour se la jouer...😉
* ***JAPON:TOKYO-YOKOHAMA-KAMAKURA-NIKKO-HAKONE-KYOTO, les temples, les rues, les metros, les trains, les hotels, les parcs, les sorties et le shopping, si vous avez besoin d'info demander moi!****
🙂🙂merci pour ta réponse je suis contente pour le ryokan de tokyo et c'est avec plaisir que je veux bien
l'adresse à Hakone en fait j'ai progressé dans mon organisation 3 nuits à tokyo puis 1 nuit yokohama ensuite
direction kamakura atami et 2 nuits à hakone puis nara 2 nuits au lieu d'aller à osaka pour dormir puis 3 nuits à kyoto
qu'en penses tu?
merci pour tes conseils cela m'est précieux mon adresse mail
valdechancri@wanadoo.fr
Bonjour,
Je rebondis sur le fait que les Japonais ne parlent que très peu anglais. J'ai passé une semaine au Japon au mois de février, avec 3 amis et c'est ce que nous avions lu dans le guide en préparant notre séjour. Et nous avons été très surpris par le nombre de personnes qui parlent anglais. Même si ce ne sont que quelques mots (comme par exemple cette propriétaire d'un petit restaurant à Nara, qui devait bien avoir 70ans, mais qui a pu nous expliquer le menu en anglais). Durant tout notre séjour nous n'avons au aucun problème à communiquer, acheter des billets de trains, bus ou quoi que ce soit.
(je précise que nous sommes tous les 4 actuellement en Chine, pour des raisons professionnelles, et là l'anglais n'est vraiment pas courant. L'appréciation du niveau des japonais en anglais est peut être juste un problème de "référentiel". En tout cas ce séjour au Japon a été des plus agréables)
Nous avons également bien profité des transports en commun (mais c'est vrai que nous ne sommes pas allés dans la campagne. Nous avons fait Tokyo - Hakone - Nara/Kyoto, avant de reprendre l'avion à Osaka) qui sont super développés (correspondances entre trains bien calculées, nombreux trains, que ce soit les grandes lignes, les trains de banlieue, etc...)
On n'avait trouvé aucun hôtel à Kyoto, alors nous nous sommes rabattus sur un hôtel choisi au hasard sur Oji (à côté de Nara - 15 min en train) et nous avons été très heureux de ce hasard. Si jamais tu veux l'adresse, je devrais pouvoir la retrouvere facilement
Bonne organisation de voyage en tout cas
Pompompom
Je rebondis sur le fait que les Japonais ne parlent que très peu anglais. J'ai passé une semaine au Japon au mois de février, avec 3 amis et c'est ce que nous avions lu dans le guide en préparant notre séjour. Et nous avons été très surpris par le nombre de personnes qui parlent anglais. Même si ce ne sont que quelques mots (comme par exemple cette propriétaire d'un petit restaurant à Nara, qui devait bien avoir 70ans, mais qui a pu nous expliquer le menu en anglais). Durant tout notre séjour nous n'avons au aucun problème à communiquer, acheter des billets de trains, bus ou quoi que ce soit.
(je précise que nous sommes tous les 4 actuellement en Chine, pour des raisons professionnelles, et là l'anglais n'est vraiment pas courant. L'appréciation du niveau des japonais en anglais est peut être juste un problème de "référentiel". En tout cas ce séjour au Japon a été des plus agréables)
Nous avons également bien profité des transports en commun (mais c'est vrai que nous ne sommes pas allés dans la campagne. Nous avons fait Tokyo - Hakone - Nara/Kyoto, avant de reprendre l'avion à Osaka) qui sont super développés (correspondances entre trains bien calculées, nombreux trains, que ce soit les grandes lignes, les trains de banlieue, etc...)
On n'avait trouvé aucun hôtel à Kyoto, alors nous nous sommes rabattus sur un hôtel choisi au hasard sur Oji (à côté de Nara - 15 min en train) et nous avons été très heureux de ce hasard. Si jamais tu veux l'adresse, je devrais pouvoir la retrouvere facilement
Bonne organisation de voyage en tout cas
Pompompom
bonsoir
merci pour ta réponse je pense que nous allons nous débrouiller le langage des mains et du dessin n'est
pas mal non plus si tu as besoin d'idées ou de quelques conseils que se soit on a des réserves pour la chine on y va souvent 3 a 4 fois par an pour le boulot et là il est entrain d'organiser
"run on the wall" sur la grande muraille cela va se faire en septembre sur une dizaine de jours course à pieds avec hébergement vol etc. ca va être sympa
cordialement
valdechancri
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Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?
Hi there,
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
I'm planning a 19-day itinerary in Japan this summer.
For a first trip, Kyoto seems like a must. For the rest, I'm torn between:
- Matsumoto, Takayama, Kanazawa for 5 to 6 days
- Kyoto 4 days
- Nara 2 days
- Koyasan 1 day
- Hakone/Mount Fuji 2 to 3 days
- Tokyo 3 days
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there!
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
Hi everyone who’s reading this!
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
Hi everyone,
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
hi everyone, and first of all, I wish you all a happy new year and good health!
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Japan in April/May.
I’ll start my journey in Tokyo for 3 to 4 days.
I’d love your advice on accommodation, transportation, an itinerary, and whether a guide would be useful.
I’m traveling solo and could use a little reassurance.
Before I forget... how do payments work?
Thanks for your help, Petra
Thanks for your help, Petra
Hi there,
I’m looking for someone who could help me organize a trip to Japan for my niece and her son. I’ve seen that French-speaking guides are expensive, and the same goes for going through a tour operator.
Airline, local transportation, hotels, etc.
Thanks for your replies!
Betsyl





