Jinghong dans le Yunnan: qui connaît?
by Espaces
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je pars en octobre dans le Yunnan. J'hésite encore à aller jusqu'à Jinghong car ça fait un sacré détour et je n'ai pas trouvé, pour l'instant, d'infos intéressantes.
Qui connaît et peut me donner de bonnes raisons d'aller y voir de près ? Petits villages, lieux retirés, tout m'intéresse (surtout si pas trop touristique)
Merci d'avance
Sylvie
Bonjour,
Je pars en octobre dans le Yunnan. J'hésite encore à aller jusqu'à Jinghong car ça fait un sacré détour et je n'ai pas trouvé, pour l'instant, d'infos intéressantes.
Qui connaît et peut me donner de bonnes raisons d'aller y voir de près ? Petits villages, lieux retirés, tout m'intéresse (surtout si pas trop touristique)
Merci d'avance
Sylvie
Bonjour,
J'ai trouvé beaucoup d'infos intéressantes sur Jinghong dans mon LP 😉, et je n'ai pas regretté de me baser là quatre jours pour aller dans les marchés et les temples des villages alentours. Sur place, il y a un beau jardin botanique.
J'espère que les touristes continueront à trouver que cela fait un sacré détour...
Bonjour,
J'ai trouvé beaucoup d'infos intéressantes sur Jinghong dans mon LP 😉, et je n'ai pas regretté de me baser là quatre jours pour aller dans les marchés et les temples des villages alentours. Sur place, il y a un beau jardin botanique.
J'espère que les touristes continueront à trouver que cela fait un sacré détour...
Il faut aller en minibus aux marchés des villages alentours : Xiding, Menghun, Menghai, ...
Xiding est assez loin et mal desservi, mais le plus pittoresque dans mes souvenirs.
C'est le hasard qui permet de tomber sur des scènes intéressantes, au-delà des costumes traditionnels qui sont portés dans la vie quotidienne.
Merci pour ces quelques pistes que je vais creuser !
Comme tu connais (un peu ?) la Chine, j'en profite pour te demander ton avis : des esprits chagrins me mettent en garde contre le fait de visiter la Chine sans guide ou voyage organisé, avançant la difficulté de communication avec les locaux. J'ai passé 15 jours en Chine il y a 2 ans (suite à un voyage en Mongolie), et j'ai effectivement perçu l'incroyable complication de se faire comprendre et d'échanger ! C'était la première fois que je ressentais ça !
Donc, je sais un peu où je vais mettre les pieds. Ce n'est pas, c'est sûr, ce qui m'a le plus plu là-bas, mais cette culture attise ma curiosité et j'ai décidé de ne pas rester sur ce sentiment mitigé.
Alors... simplement, comment as-tu vécu çà ? A moins que tu connaisses le chinois ?!
Je pense sérieusement à profiter de mon été pour me familiariser un peu avec la langue, mais je ne me fais pas trop d'illusions. Les idéogrammes me sont un peu plus familiers, car je fais - depuis mon retour de Chine - de la calligraphie, un art de la rue qui m'a fascinée !
Si tu as un avis sur la question... merci d'avance !
Bonjour,
Le rapport qualité-prix des guides et voyages organisés en Chine est médiocre : ce que l’on gagne en confort logistique, on le paye cher, en argent et/ou en passages obligatoires dans des magasins de souvenirs, outre l’inconvénient de tout voyage organisé de ne pas choisir les visites et leur rythme.
Lors de mes premiers voyages en Chine, je connaissais trop de japonais et progressivement de chinois pour que mon témoignage soit pertinent. Avoir fait de la calligraphie vous aidera sûrement : vous aurez l’œil exercé à distinguer des idéogrammes qui peuvent se ressembler, ou trouver d’un coup d’œil celui que vous cherchez.
Cela dit, certains intervenants dans ce forum ont sillonné la Chine en ne connaissant pas plus le chinois que vous : la Chine est un pays globalement sûr, et les Chinois font souvent preuve de beaucoup de bonne volonté et de patience pour comprendre la demande d’un étranger.
Le rapport qualité-prix des guides et voyages organisés en Chine est médiocre : ce que l’on gagne en confort logistique, on le paye cher, en argent et/ou en passages obligatoires dans des magasins de souvenirs, outre l’inconvénient de tout voyage organisé de ne pas choisir les visites et leur rythme.
Lors de mes premiers voyages en Chine, je connaissais trop de japonais et progressivement de chinois pour que mon témoignage soit pertinent. Avoir fait de la calligraphie vous aidera sûrement : vous aurez l’œil exercé à distinguer des idéogrammes qui peuvent se ressembler, ou trouver d’un coup d’œil celui que vous cherchez.
Cela dit, certains intervenants dans ce forum ont sillonné la Chine en ne connaissant pas plus le chinois que vous : la Chine est un pays globalement sûr, et les Chinois font souvent preuve de beaucoup de bonne volonté et de patience pour comprendre la demande d’un étranger.
Je pars en octobre dans le Yunnan. J'hésite encore à aller jusqu'à Jinghong car ça fait un sacré détour et je n'ai pas trouvé, pour l'instant, d'infos intéressantes.
Qui connaît et peut me donner de bonnes raisons d'aller y voir de près ? Petits villages, lieux retirés, tout m'intéresse (surtout si pas trop touristique)
Je suis passe a jinghong et dans le xishuangbana il y a 10 ans avec des amis francais qui vivaient la nas, et un guide anglophone. Il y avait tres peu de touristes. J y ai trouve les memes interets que ce que decrit marathon, un autre truc m avait marqué: beaucoup de minorites ethniques, et des contrastes tres marqués a chaque fois qu on bougeait de 20-30km: des faciès typés indiens, puis thai, puis ouighours, puis han, puis indonesiens, des costumes traditionels et des cultures aussi variés (villages dai avec des panneaux écrits dans une calligraphie qui me rappelait le thai, notre guide d'origine pekinoise souvent en difficulté pour communiquer en mandarin, parures et bijoux souvent en argent, mais d'une originalité toujours renouvelee a chaque vallee, chaque village...), des eventails d'activites humaines itou (elevage de yacks, the dans les hauteurs, riz un peu plus loin, fruits tropicaux, epices, je me suis fait brancher par un mec avec une tronche de junkie pour fumer de l opium dans un bled pres de la frontiere birmane, ...)
A moins que tu connaisses le chinois ?! Je pense sérieusement à profiter de mon été pour me familiariser un peu avec la langue, mais je ne me fais pas trop d'illusions. Les idéogrammes me sont un peu plus familiers, car je fais - depuis mon retour de Chine - de la calligraphie, un art de la rue qui m'a fascinée !
Une linguiste pekinoise m avait donné des cours de mandarin, elle m avait dit qu il existait au temps de ses etudes universitaires plus de 1000 langues vivantes repertoriees en chine, et que les seules variations du mandarin a l echelle du pays-continent qu est la chine, vallaient a elles seule le titre auto-proclamé de "pays du malentendu". autant dire qu il est illusoire de compter s' en tirer en se "familiarisant un peu avec LA langue", vu qu il y a immensément plus qu'UNE langue. entre les langues minoritaires, les dialectes dérivés mais parfois tres eloignés du mandarin, les variations de calligraphie et les calligraphies totalement différentes de celle de reference, les difficultes liees aux barrieres des langages sont encore plus presentes au Yunan qu ailleurs en chine. Un peu de notions de putonghua ne sera pas du luxe, mais il te faudra bcp compter sur les dessins, les mimes et la chance de rencontrer quelques personnes anglophones. Il y a 10 ans deja, la chine mettait le paquet sur l apprentissage de l anglais et les rares etudiants rencontres dans les villes etaient tres entreprenants, tres curieux de venir pratiquer leur anglais en echangeant quelques mots, voire plus. evidemment, au fond de la brousse, c etait plus souvent dessins, mimes et systeme D (et galere) pour communiquer.
Mon conseil: si tu as la chance de trouver un chauffeur de taxi anglophone a jinghong, negocie avec lui le prix a la journée ou a la semaine, ce sera plus cher que les bus, mais ton terrain de jeu sera multiplié par 100
Je suis passe a jinghong et dans le xishuangbana il y a 10 ans avec des amis francais qui vivaient la nas, et un guide anglophone. Il y avait tres peu de touristes. J y ai trouve les memes interets que ce que decrit marathon, un autre truc m avait marqué: beaucoup de minorites ethniques, et des contrastes tres marqués a chaque fois qu on bougeait de 20-30km: des faciès typés indiens, puis thai, puis ouighours, puis han, puis indonesiens, des costumes traditionels et des cultures aussi variés (villages dai avec des panneaux écrits dans une calligraphie qui me rappelait le thai, notre guide d'origine pekinoise souvent en difficulté pour communiquer en mandarin, parures et bijoux souvent en argent, mais d'une originalité toujours renouvelee a chaque vallee, chaque village...), des eventails d'activites humaines itou (elevage de yacks, the dans les hauteurs, riz un peu plus loin, fruits tropicaux, epices, je me suis fait brancher par un mec avec une tronche de junkie pour fumer de l opium dans un bled pres de la frontiere birmane, ...)
A moins que tu connaisses le chinois ?! Je pense sérieusement à profiter de mon été pour me familiariser un peu avec la langue, mais je ne me fais pas trop d'illusions. Les idéogrammes me sont un peu plus familiers, car je fais - depuis mon retour de Chine - de la calligraphie, un art de la rue qui m'a fascinée !
Une linguiste pekinoise m avait donné des cours de mandarin, elle m avait dit qu il existait au temps de ses etudes universitaires plus de 1000 langues vivantes repertoriees en chine, et que les seules variations du mandarin a l echelle du pays-continent qu est la chine, vallaient a elles seule le titre auto-proclamé de "pays du malentendu". autant dire qu il est illusoire de compter s' en tirer en se "familiarisant un peu avec LA langue", vu qu il y a immensément plus qu'UNE langue. entre les langues minoritaires, les dialectes dérivés mais parfois tres eloignés du mandarin, les variations de calligraphie et les calligraphies totalement différentes de celle de reference, les difficultes liees aux barrieres des langages sont encore plus presentes au Yunan qu ailleurs en chine. Un peu de notions de putonghua ne sera pas du luxe, mais il te faudra bcp compter sur les dessins, les mimes et la chance de rencontrer quelques personnes anglophones. Il y a 10 ans deja, la chine mettait le paquet sur l apprentissage de l anglais et les rares etudiants rencontres dans les villes etaient tres entreprenants, tres curieux de venir pratiquer leur anglais en echangeant quelques mots, voire plus. evidemment, au fond de la brousse, c etait plus souvent dessins, mimes et systeme D (et galere) pour communiquer.
Mon conseil: si tu as la chance de trouver un chauffeur de taxi anglophone a jinghong, negocie avec lui le prix a la journée ou a la semaine, ce sera plus cher que les bus, mais ton terrain de jeu sera multiplié par 100
Bonjour Sylvie,
Je suis allée seule en individuelle à Jinghong lors de l'été 2001 et j'y suis restée une bonne semaine pour rayonner dans les villages alentours où il y avait des marchés : Damenglong, Xiping, Menghun.... qui avaient lieu selon un certain calendrier. Il y avait des minorités qui descendaient de leurs montagnes ; J'avais glané ces renseignements sur le LP de l'époque.Je ne sais pas si c'est toujours d'actualité si longtemps après.
Je ne lis ni ne parle le chinois loin de la ...dans la ville de Jinghong je me repérais avec les palmiers (je suis botaniste et dans cette ville les avenues principales sont plantées avec des palmiers différents) La gare routière avait des tickets informatisés et les départs pour ces villages étaient bien avant 7h du matin et je quittais la GH un peu avant le levé du jour...on balbutiait l'anglais pour me vendre le ticket .J'avais trouvé au Forest cafe une gentille chinoise anglophone qui m'avait écrit le nom des villages en caractères chinois .Je viens de vérifier sur le net ce Forest café se serait agrandi avec des treks et d'autres propositions de circuits....je te
laisse le soin d'approfondir éventuellement.
Bref Jinghong était peu touristique, je suis allée à la piscine avec les chinois , j'ai visité le petit jardin botanique et il y avait à coté une aire de combats de coqs. Pas de pb pour les repas. Bref cette semaine dans ce coin du Xishuangbanna avait été un ravissement.
Voila c'est maigre comme tuyaux qui ne sont pas récents ....Si tu y vas fais en un CR cela serait utile pour les autres
Bonne préparation
Carassou
Bon, ta réponse est moyennement encourageante... mais réaliste ! Il y a 2 ans, j'avais encore du mal à trouver des étudiants pouvant poursuivre une discussion en anglais... à Pékin ! (pas senti d'étudiants très curieux de pratiquer l'anglais, moi !)alors je me doute que ça ne va pas être évident, mais on verra...
Pas bête, l'idée de trouver un guide ou taxi anglophone sur place pour quelques jours.
Merci pour tous ces détails qui donnent très envie, j'apprécie !
Merci pour ta réponse ! oui, il y a 2 ans, c'est en montrant les caractères chinois que j'arrivais le mieux à me faire comprendre, pas avec l'anglais. C'est vrai qu'il y a plein de façons d'échanger, mais il faut savoir prendre le temps.
Je sais maintenant que je vais aller à Jinghong, c'est sûr ! (et je ferai un compte-rendu quand je serai rentrée, en novembre)
Bon, je vais quand même apprendre quelques mots et repérer quelques idéogrammes...
Pas bête, l'idée de trouver un guide ou taxi anglophone sur place pour quelques jours.
Pour un taxi à la journée, il faut demander à l'hôtel. Un guide ou un taxi anglophone, ça risque d'être dur à trouver à Jinghong, mais on ne sait jamais, il suffit d'un étudiant rentré au pays. J'ai pris un taxi une journée : c'est une dépense que je n'ai pas regrettée. A défaut, avec le nom des village écrits en chinois + anglais, une montre et le langage des signes, on arrive à se débrouiller. Les descriptions de Renaudsechet et de Carassou correspondent à ce que j'ai vu en 2010, donc 5 à 10 ans après. Cela n'avait manifestement pas changé. Il n'y avait aucun touriste occidental et très très peu de touristes chinois.
Pour un taxi à la journée, il faut demander à l'hôtel. Un guide ou un taxi anglophone, ça risque d'être dur à trouver à Jinghong, mais on ne sait jamais, il suffit d'un étudiant rentré au pays. J'ai pris un taxi une journée : c'est une dépense que je n'ai pas regrettée. A défaut, avec le nom des village écrits en chinois + anglais, une montre et le langage des signes, on arrive à se débrouiller. Les descriptions de Renaudsechet et de Carassou correspondent à ce que j'ai vu en 2010, donc 5 à 10 ans après. Cela n'avait manifestement pas changé. Il n'y avait aucun touriste occidental et très très peu de touristes chinois.
Bonjour,
Nous sommes déjà allés deux fois en Chine, en autonomie totale, et sans parler un traître mot de mandarin, dont un mois en 2013 dans le Yunnan et le Xishuangbanna.
La communication avec les Chinois ne nous a jamais paru compliquée, grâce à notre traducteur Google téléchargé gratuitement sur notre tablette et il faut le dire grâce aussi à l'immense gentillesse des locaux. De plus même dans ces coins un peu perdus, il y a toujours eu un Chinois parlant Anglais qui est venu à notre secours. Vraiment, surtout pour toi qui a déjà voyagé, aucune inquiétude à avoir. Oui, il y a beaucoup de choses intéressantes à voir dans le Xishuangbanna. Bien sûr Yuanyang au nord de la province, avec ses belles randos au coeur des rizières en terrasses, Menglun et son splendide Jardin Tropical, Puer, son célèbre thé et ses éléphants sauvages (on ne les a pas vus ...). Par contre nous ne sommes pas allés à Jinghong.
Plus au nord, dans le Yunnan, nous avons adoré les vieilles villes de Jianshui, Dali et Lijiang. Nous avons aussi beaucoup aimé randonner seuls sur les crêtes des Gorges du Saut du Tigre en logeant à Qiatou.
Enfin de quoi passer un mois inoubliable.
La communication avec les Chinois ne nous a jamais paru compliquée, grâce à notre traducteur Google téléchargé gratuitement sur notre tablette et il faut le dire grâce aussi à l'immense gentillesse des locaux. De plus même dans ces coins un peu perdus, il y a toujours eu un Chinois parlant Anglais qui est venu à notre secours. Vraiment, surtout pour toi qui a déjà voyagé, aucune inquiétude à avoir. Oui, il y a beaucoup de choses intéressantes à voir dans le Xishuangbanna. Bien sûr Yuanyang au nord de la province, avec ses belles randos au coeur des rizières en terrasses, Menglun et son splendide Jardin Tropical, Puer, son célèbre thé et ses éléphants sauvages (on ne les a pas vus ...). Par contre nous ne sommes pas allés à Jinghong.
Plus au nord, dans le Yunnan, nous avons adoré les vieilles villes de Jianshui, Dali et Lijiang. Nous avons aussi beaucoup aimé randonner seuls sur les crêtes des Gorges du Saut du Tigre en logeant à Qiatou.
Enfin de quoi passer un mois inoubliable.
Philippe
Bonjour
jinghong facile à joindre depuis Bangkok (BKK) super intéressant comme base pour visiter les villages pres de la frontière laotienne , ici ( à Menghun ) le dimanche matin a lieu un énorme marché où se retrouvent une bonne vingtaine d'ethnies ( akha- yi- batang- yi noirs .etc )
tu y vas en bus pour une poignée de cerises depuis jinghong ou tu pars la veille et couche sur place ( il y a un petit hotel )
je te recommande ce coin par rapport à sapa au nord vietnam car moins fréquenté et plus d'authenticité
dobledou
Un aperçu de mon circuit de février 2015 dans cette discussion
voyageforum.com/...itineraire-d7061596/
Cherche les sites web des cafés Forest café http://www.forest-cafe.org/ Mékong café http://www.mekongcafe.cn/ et Mei Mei cafe http://meimei-cafe.com/ ou j'ai pris un verre cela t'aidera à construire ton circuit
Siya
Cherche les sites web des cafés Forest café http://www.forest-cafe.org/ Mékong café http://www.mekongcafe.cn/ et Mei Mei cafe http://meimei-cafe.com/ ou j'ai pris un verre cela t'aidera à construire ton circuit
Siya
2017 nouveautés yunnan tarifs des sites et transport Kunming
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Thoughts on the road feasibility of this trip? We’ll be there right in the middle of Koyo season, so it’ll be busy... I know it’s a lot of driving, but there are two of us who can take turns. We’re not afraid of driving, even in the mountains and on the left side! Just wondering, are we going to be rushing, or is this manageable? AI says it’s all good, but it’s not the one driving... Any tips for booking accommodations in the Iya Valley? Not many places have email addresses or websites (I know Booking.com exists, but not all listings are on there... and given the season, I think it’s better to book ahead!). Same question applies for northern Honshu. For the rental car, I’m thinking of going with Alamo since at least it’s in French and straightforward, but are there any direct rental companies with user-friendly websites (Toyota Rentacar, ugh... 🏴☠️)? Another question: With so many trains, is it even necessary to book them in advance? Can we just go to the ticket counter and grab seats on the spot? For paying for the rental car, do we need a credit or debit card?
Thanks for your help!
We’re arriving as a group of three in Tokyo on Saturday, October 17th, then heading straight to Kyoto by direct train. On Sunday and Monday, we’ll explore Kyoto, and in the evening, we’ll take a train to Osaka to spend the night. On Tuesday, we’ll pick up a rental car at Itami Airport for a 6-day/5-night road trip around Shikoku: - 2 nights in the Iya Valley - Thursday morning, we’ll head to Matsuyama for 2 nights. - Saturday, we’ll visit Mima (town, a few temples + overnight stay) and return on Sunday to drop off the car in Osaka. We’ll leave very early on Monday the 26th by plane for Aomori in northern Honshu, where we’ll pick up another rental car at the airport for a 5-day/4-night trip: - Day 1: Tsugaru Peninsula (Takayam Inari, Cape Tappi, Kanita); overnight in Kanita - Day 2: Ferry transfer to the Mutsu Peninsula (cliffs, Lake Usori); overnight in Shimofuro - Day 3: Head to the Hakkoda Mountains and onsens galore; overnight TBD - Day 4: Return the car in Aomori by noon and explore the city before taking the train to Tokyo in the evening We’ll spend Friday night in Tokyo, wander around on Saturday, and head home on Sunday.
Thoughts on the road feasibility of this trip? We’ll be there right in the middle of Koyo season, so it’ll be busy... I know it’s a lot of driving, but there are two of us who can take turns. We’re not afraid of driving, even in the mountains and on the left side! Just wondering, are we going to be rushing, or is this manageable? AI says it’s all good, but it’s not the one driving... Any tips for booking accommodations in the Iya Valley? Not many places have email addresses or websites (I know Booking.com exists, but not all listings are on there... and given the season, I think it’s better to book ahead!). Same question applies for northern Honshu. For the rental car, I’m thinking of going with Alamo since at least it’s in French and straightforward, but are there any direct rental companies with user-friendly websites (Toyota Rentacar, ugh... 🏴☠️)? Another question: With so many trains, is it even necessary to book them in advance? Can we just go to the ticket counter and grab seats on the spot? For paying for the rental car, do we need a credit or debit card?
Thanks for your help!
Hi there,
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m staying in Atami for 2 nights in October. I was thinking of exploring the area and trying to see Mount Fuji.
I was planning to go to Shizuoka. And also enjoy the onsen (hot springs).
Don’t hesitate to share any tips or recommendations—I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance.
I’m staying in Atami for 2 nights in October. I was thinking of exploring the area and trying to see Mount Fuji.
I was planning to go to Shizuoka. And also enjoy the onsen (hot springs).
Don’t hesitate to share any tips or recommendations—I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance.
I could really use your help to finalize our trip to Japan.
We’re heading there for three weeks with my partner, starting November 10th. Our plan was to visit Tokyo, Kyoto, and a few stops in between (nothing too original so far…).
However, we’re more into nature and hiking, so even though we do want to explore Tokyo and Kyoto, we’d like to maximize nature stops between the two. Initially, we’d considered places like Kamikochi, but I understand it’s not accessible this late in the season.
Here’s our current itinerary:
1. 2-3 days in Tokyo
2. Fujigoko stop: Mount Mitsutoge - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/yamanashi/mount-mitsutoge-trail
3. Suwa / Matsumoto stop: Kirigamine Plateau & Lake Suwa - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/kirigamine-mount-kuruma-yashimagahara-wetland-loop - Matsumoto Castle
4. Nagano stop: Togakushi Sacred Forest - Hike among giant cedars: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/nagano/togakushi-shrine-okusha or https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/mount-togakushi-trail - Ebisu-ko fireworks
5. Kiso Valley stop - Senjojiki Cirque - Magome-Tsumago hike: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/gifu/nakasendo-magome-tsumago
6. 3-4 days in Kyoto - Mount Kurama: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/kyoto/kurama-trail
7. 2-3 days in Tokyo
I’m still checking if this is doable time-wise. We’d love to soak up each place, enjoy the food and onsens, and stay in a ryokan at one of the stops.
However, we’re more into nature and hiking, so even though we do want to explore Tokyo and Kyoto, we’d like to maximize nature stops between the two. Initially, we’d considered places like Kamikochi, but I understand it’s not accessible this late in the season.
Here’s our current itinerary:
1. 2-3 days in Tokyo
2. Fujigoko stop: Mount Mitsutoge - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/yamanashi/mount-mitsutoge-trail
3. Suwa / Matsumoto stop: Kirigamine Plateau & Lake Suwa - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/kirigamine-mount-kuruma-yashimagahara-wetland-loop - Matsumoto Castle
4. Nagano stop: Togakushi Sacred Forest - Hike among giant cedars: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/nagano/togakushi-shrine-okusha or https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/mount-togakushi-trail - Ebisu-ko fireworks
5. Kiso Valley stop - Senjojiki Cirque - Magome-Tsumago hike: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/gifu/nakasendo-magome-tsumago
6. 3-4 days in Kyoto - Mount Kurama: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/kyoto/kurama-trail
7. 2-3 days in Tokyo
I’m still checking if this is doable time-wise. We’d love to soak up each place, enjoy the food and onsens, and stay in a ryokan at one of the stops.
Hi there,
I’d like to do this cycling route over 2 or 3 days. I’m struggling to figure out and find a (good) bike rental that lets me start in Onomichi and drop off in Imabari. Can anyone help with great tips for rentals and accommodations along the route? How do I get back to Onomichi afterward?
Hey everyone,
Next year, we’re celebrating 20 years of marriage (and travel 🙂), and we’re looking for something new, pretty legendary, and something the teens will enjoy too.
The family council has settled on Japan for now. And it’d have to be a summer trip—no choice there.
The catch: I keep reading that August isn’t the right season for southern Japan. It’s hot, humid, and there’s a risk of typhoons… Okay, but what does that *actually* mean in practice? Are there any travelers who’ve been there during this time? Is it *that* unbearable? We’re pretty familiar with Southeast Asia—last year, we dealt with scorching heat in Vietnam and insane humidity, plus a typhoon we experienced from a distance, and visiting Angkor in the blazing sun. Is it worse than that?
Thanks for your feedback 😉
Next year, we’re celebrating 20 years of marriage (and travel 🙂), and we’re looking for something new, pretty legendary, and something the teens will enjoy too.
The family council has settled on Japan for now. And it’d have to be a summer trip—no choice there.
The catch: I keep reading that August isn’t the right season for southern Japan. It’s hot, humid, and there’s a risk of typhoons… Okay, but what does that *actually* mean in practice? Are there any travelers who’ve been there during this time? Is it *that* unbearable? We’re pretty familiar with Southeast Asia—last year, we dealt with scorching heat in Vietnam and insane humidity, plus a typhoon we experienced from a distance, and visiting Angkor in the blazing sun. Is it worse than that?
Thanks for your feedback 😉
hi there
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change? thanks
philippe
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change? thanks
philippe
hi everyone, we're heading out for a 12-day trek in the Japanese Alps. We're bringing freeze-dried meals like we always do. We just found out that importing meat is banned, even freeze-dried. Is that true? We already bought them. They're commercially made freeze-dried meals. Online, it's not specified that they have to be "commercially made" because you can make your own freeze-dried food. And since we've heard they're really strict in Japan, can anyone confirm this for us? thanks
Hi there,
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS. Could you recommend something?
Thanks in advance
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS. Could you recommend something?
Thanks in advance
hi there
I’m planning a trip in September—here’s my rough itinerary. What do you think? Is it easy to rent a car to get around between my stops? Thanks so much!
Philippe StopNightsFull daysSeoul44Gurye (Jirisan)43Suncheon43Namhae43Gyeongju21Seoul1—
Philippe StopNightsFull daysSeoul44Gurye (Jirisan)43Suncheon43Namhae43Gyeongju21Seoul1—
Hi,
July 2026: I’m writing to you from Dali.
First, I got scammed on Booking—AI-retouched photos. No tourists at this hotel (Yishanju Designer Hotel), and the reality was horrible: dirty, with a disgusting breakfast. It’s better to use Trip.com here.
Next, the old town was an infernal cacophony, packed with tourists who shoved past without a care. Some vendors harassed you to buy things. All the stalls sold the same cheap plastic junk or other uninteresting stuff. The beautiful scenery was ruined by vendors lining 100% of the alleys. Impossible to walk, crushing heat, nothing good to eat except fresh fruit. Horrible experience.
Day 2: We went to Cangshan Mountain by cable car—the ride was short and nothing spectacular. We were at 2,600 m.
My plan was to see Erhai Lake. Unfortunately, I followed the advice of an AI chatbot: take the boat at Langkan Dock. The Didi dropped us off in the nearest area, which was full of charming little alleys but packed with Chinese tourists. The three-wheeled yellow cabs zoomed through the narrow streets, forcing you to hug the walls, on top of the scooters and other pedestrians to deal with. Crossing the neighborhood was hellish and suffocating. Once out, we hit the "corniche," which was also packed with Chinese tourists. The lake’s edge was all pebbles, and everyone was standing around taking photos. I was with my 5-year-old son. I would’ve liked to sit down and let him play with stones by the water, but it was clear we didn’t belong. They were even shoving each other for a shot! There were no boats in sight. In short, we’d had enough, and there was nothing interesting there either.
On the way back, we had to cross that maze again under the scorching sun. My son was braver than me—I even had a little dizzy spell from all the chaos. Add to that Dali’s altitude (2,200 m), so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day...
The restaurants weren’t inviting—the staff served sticky rice in a little bucket. The dishes were wrapped, and you had to figure it out yourself. After that, they ignored you completely, even if you were the only tourist.
On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, noise is everywhere, and the behavior of some Chinese people is abusive...
Silver lining: not a drop of rain in 4 days and blue skies.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
Hi,
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there,
My girlfriend (23) and I (24) are heading to Japan for the first time from October 20th to November 6th. Here’s our itinerary:
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
Hi there.
I’m traveling solo to China in October '26, heading to these spots:
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Hi there,
I’m getting ready for a classic tourist trip to China in May 2026.
The "Terres Lointaines" itinerary looks good to me, and the price is interesting.
Has anyone traveled with them before? Any feedback?
Is there a better option?
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences on this!
Michel
hi, does anyone have suggestions or contacts for a private local driver without going through a big travel agency for a multi-day trip in Yunnan?
thanks for any info
thanks for any info
Hi there,
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I’m traveling to Japan with a young adult with autism (ASD) from July 28 to August 8, following a pretty classic route: Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, and Tokyo. I’m looking for a schedule of the most spectacular fireworks displays during that time. So far, the dates for the major *hanabi* events aren’t available online yet. If anyone has them, I’d really appreciate it if you could share!
Hi there,
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone, I’m Julien!
This summer, from late June to late July, I’m planning a one-month solo trip to Japan—my first time!
I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice on the itinerary I’ve put together to explore this amazing country.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth