Madagascar: parc de l'Angap
by Jipi
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour a tous
comme vous l avez peut etre lu l angap qui gere les parcs de madagascar a change de nom
mais je viens d apprendre que les parcs vont etre ceder a des interets prives pour une nouvelle gestion privee et independante
chaque parc sera totalement independant et la gestion sera privee (malgache ou etranger)
apres la vente du sous sol, du sol (projet daeawo -terre arable) voila les richesses ecologiques qui prennent le meme chemin
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bonsoir,
et si la gestion des parcs etait amelioré! les guides mieux formés.....et des tarifs de guidage clairement definis....plusieurs clients ont été très deçus par la prestation d'un guide accompagnateur, à Ranomafana, seulement interessée par le "pourliche" qu"elle espérait avoir...et ce n'était pas des visiteurs compliqués....est-ce que tu penses que l'état doit tout gerer....où seulement prelever sa part de taxes sur le service....ah oui, le collectivisme ça marche !!!!il suffit de regarder l'histoire.est ce que les "richesses ecologiques" sont reellement proteger par l'ANGAP et mise en valeur, est-ce que d'autres peuvent mieux faire?
cordialement
mponina
Bonjour JP,
La privatisation de la gestion des parcs naturels a été initiée depuis quelques temps (avec certains appels d'offres parus dans GOTO Madagascar). Personnellement, je pense que si des organismes tels que le WWF permettent l'établissement d'un code de conduite (validé et appuyé par les autorités compétentes), cela va dans le bon sens, qui plus est si la sélection des opérateurs privés est encadrée.
A voir donc.
En ce qui concerne l'exploitation du sol (1, 3 M. Ha via Daewoo Logistics) ce n'est pas encore fait -à ma connaissance... Je me sens d'avantage concerné par les productions de maïs (OGM) initiées et financées par l'entreprise indienne Landmark sur le plateau de l'Ihorombe (les moyens sont déjà visibles sur place).
Veloma
Tchooky
La privatisation de la gestion des parcs naturels a été initiée depuis quelques temps (avec certains appels d'offres parus dans GOTO Madagascar). Personnellement, je pense que si des organismes tels que le WWF permettent l'établissement d'un code de conduite (validé et appuyé par les autorités compétentes), cela va dans le bon sens, qui plus est si la sélection des opérateurs privés est encadrée.
A voir donc.
En ce qui concerne l'exploitation du sol (1, 3 M. Ha via Daewoo Logistics) ce n'est pas encore fait -à ma connaissance... Je me sens d'avantage concerné par les productions de maïs (OGM) initiées et financées par l'entreprise indienne Landmark sur le plateau de l'Ihorombe (les moyens sont déjà visibles sur place).
Veloma
Tchooky
Tchooky
salut
ok pour les OGM qui sont present dans bcp de pays d afrique (mais, coton, soja etc....)
mais si c est pour le mettre en gestion au WWF ou autres organismes competents ok mais rien de moins sur a cela !!
voir le choix de QMM appartenant a rio tinto qui est le plus grand pollueur d indinesie, congo, canada etc et qui plus est a une dette de 35milliards de $ et doit supprimer 25000 emplois d ici le premier trimestre 2009
quand a dynatec personne ne peut dire aujourd hui si l extraction va vraiment commencer apres la chute du nikel et cobalt de 70% depuis le debut de l annee
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re-bonsoir,
pose toi une question simple; est ce que c'etait mieux quand c'était plus mal!
tu es d'un pessimisme dans la majorité de tes posts, pourtant dans un monde qui bouge l'immobilisme parait bien retrograde....question de generation surement,
mon grand pere disait dejà que c'etait mieux avant, et pourtant !!!!
mponina
JP,
Je crois que tu as lu mon post un peu rapidement. En ce qui concerne Dinatec, les investissements lourds étant réalisés (6.5 milliards de USD déjà rentrés via la BCM), je crois qu'ils continueront(c'est un point de vue personnel).
En réf. au post de cholljj, je suis 100% d'accord avec le contenu de son post : les choses bougent et il faut suivre (les français ne sont plus les seuls ici) cependant je pense que nombreux de tes posts tapent d'abord dans le conservatisme et ensuite dans le pessimisme. CEPENDANT, ils font preuve de beaucoup de pragmatisme (au combien important ici).
Pour info: beau temps actuellement à Ambositra. Les 3 dernières semaines beau temps sur le Menabe (possibilité d'accéder aux tsingy jusqu'à la semaine dernière)
Veloma
Je crois que tu as lu mon post un peu rapidement. En ce qui concerne Dinatec, les investissements lourds étant réalisés (6.5 milliards de USD déjà rentrés via la BCM), je crois qu'ils continueront(c'est un point de vue personnel).
En réf. au post de cholljj, je suis 100% d'accord avec le contenu de son post : les choses bougent et il faut suivre (les français ne sont plus les seuls ici) cependant je pense que nombreux de tes posts tapent d'abord dans le conservatisme et ensuite dans le pessimisme. CEPENDANT, ils font preuve de beaucoup de pragmatisme (au combien important ici).
Pour info: beau temps actuellement à Ambositra. Les 3 dernières semaines beau temps sur le Menabe (possibilité d'accéder aux tsingy jusqu'à la semaine dernière)
Veloma
Tchooky
salut
je le souhaite pour mada mais il faut lire aussi les infos economiques mondiales
sherritt la maison mere de dynatec a stoppe la produc dans deux mines du congo sur le nikel et cobalt!!
je sais que les investissemnts lourd sont fait mais rien n empeche si les matieres premieres restent a ce niveau (moins de 70% depuis janv) suspendre la production pour qqes mois voir plus!!
donc il faut un peu ouvrir les yeux ;mada ne vit pas a part du monde comme le pense ici les vazaha de mada qui observent seulement leur nombril et leur petit monde c est vrai qu ils sont generalement tres limites
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Madagascar n'a pas trop le choix, quand il y a un wagon à prendre il faut le prendre.
Bien entendu il ne faut pas accepter tout et n'importe quoi, mais le refus systématique serait une grave erreur. Ce qui me fait le plus souci serait une mauvaise évaluation des dommages que pourraient causer de grosses sociétés à l'environnement.
Quand on voit les erreurs que nous avons commises ici en Europe il est normal que nous soyons craintifs. Le tout est de ne pas reproduire ces erreurs à Madagascar ...
salut
et on ne peut pas dire que RIO TINTO"(QMM) ait une bonne reputation de ce cote la
desastres en indonesie et canada et aussi au bresil quand au congo c est carement lamentable!!
de plus le fond le pension de retraite de l etat norvegien (le plus important du monde) a rayer RIO TINTO des societes ou elle a investi
ce fond de pension pour les salaries norvegien se veut : durable et equitable!!
pourtant la norvege est un pays que Ra8 porte dans son coeur!!
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Hello,
Tout à fait d'accord avec toi en ce qui concerne QMM, le choix ne pouvait être pire ...
Bonjour,
tu parles de Landmark dans la plateau de l'Ihorombe. Je suis Bara, et je suis de ce plateau, j'ai toute ma famille dans ces villages. Actuellement, nous souffrons par une certaine "non consultation" pour ce projet, et je ne sais pas si tu es au courant qu'il y a des villages, des rizières et le plus terrible des tombeaux qui vont être/qui sont déjà rayés de la carte ou soit disant déplacés, sans prevenir ni parler avec nous... on nous colle à nos dos qu'on est ignorant... les préjugés sont là pour nous "voler" notre térritoire. Ce qui se passe actuellement chez nous, c'est "la colonisation moderne". Landmark a un terrain tout au long de la RN7: 26km et de 1, 5km de chaque coté de la route....Qui va profiter ce tout ce soit disant "développement"🏴☠️, ils ont organisé des réunions et aussi soudoyés certains "élus" ou "chef de village", en leur donnant de l'argent ou même une voiture... pour signer les paperasses... mais dans tout ça, je te dits qu'il y a une tension au fond de chaque coeur des Bara qui habitent ou/et qui ne vont plus habiter....En plus de cela, il y a des villages qui n'ont plus avoir accés à la route nationale. Encore un fait: les enfants du village d'Ankatrakatraka ne peuvent plus aller à l'école qui est à Aragnany, car le terrain que tu vois avec leurs infrastructure est interdit d'avoir un genre de sentier qui existait depuis plusieurs dizaine d'année (on dit servitude). CEs informations ce sont pas simplement pour toi, mais pour que les gens soient au courant de ce que nous vivons. Depuis, nous sommes délaissés par l'Etat et ignorés par les autres malgaches qu'on est des sauvages, non, nous sommes fiers d'être Bara - Veloma
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salut je te remercie de ton intevention sur la verite qui des actions qui vont soit disant developper mada alors que l on est en train de spolier tout un peuple
de plus bcp trop de vazaha qui vivent a mada apres avoir rate leur vie en france sont fier de participer a cette gabegie bien pire que la pire des periodes coloniales
oui les choses change a mada mais pas en bien pour le peuple c est sur!!
je suis toujours etonne du manque de jugeote d intelligence de ces vazahas incultes qui s exprimebt ici parce qu il vivent dans un pays dont il n ont meme pas compris la nature et le sens
pauvre type en france pauvre debris a mada!! c est malheureusement le cas de 80% des vazaha qui sejournent a mada
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Bonsoir!!!!!!!!!🙂
En effet, je pense que la situation ne doit pas satistaire l'ethnie Bara comme tu le dis si justement et quand on connait l'importance que cette ethnie tient concernant ces traditions ( mise dans des grottes des cercueils), je ne suis pas surpris de ta rancoeur!!!!!!!!!!! Malheureusement c'est bien souvent comme cela que les ethnies dominantes agissent envers les autres ethnies!!!!!!!!!🙁 Personnellement pour moi un gasy est un gasy et je le considère tel quel;quelque soit son appartenance à une ethnie!!!! Mais il est vrai que le peuple Bara est peu considéré par les autres ethnies qu'ils soient Betsileo ou Merina ou autres!!!!!!!!!
Veloma🙂
En effet, je pense que la situation ne doit pas satistaire l'ethnie Bara comme tu le dis si justement et quand on connait l'importance que cette ethnie tient concernant ces traditions ( mise dans des grottes des cercueils), je ne suis pas surpris de ta rancoeur!!!!!!!!!!! Malheureusement c'est bien souvent comme cela que les ethnies dominantes agissent envers les autres ethnies!!!!!!!!!🙁 Personnellement pour moi un gasy est un gasy et je le considère tel quel;quelque soit son appartenance à une ethnie!!!! Mais il est vrai que le peuple Bara est peu considéré par les autres ethnies qu'ils soient Betsileo ou Merina ou autres!!!!!!!!!
Veloma🙂
Tant que la couleur de la peau sera plus importante que la couleur des yeux, nous ne connaitrons pas la paix.
Sur la discussion et sur le developpement economique en general ...les choses bougent et il faut suivre... Quelle phrase etrange et quel concept a detailler a l aune des evenements actuels...
Les americains se sont mis a vivre a credit, a financiariser la planete, a detruire l economie reelle au profit de l economie virtuelle. A l epoque, les choses bougeaient, il fallait suivre, emprunter a taux variable (comme en Espagne), placer son argent en bourse, liberaliser les retraites en creant des hedge funds a la francaise. Bref le monde bougeait et il fallait suivre. Saletes de francais qui ne voulaient pas suivre le mouvement. L Islande etait parmi les pays les plus riches du monde grace a ses banques. Et puis catastrophe, la crise.
L Islande est en faillite, les espagnols et plein d americains a la rue, les fonds de pension dans le trou, les retraites par capitalisation envolées...
Alors heureusement que certains se disent que bouger c est bien mais que cela n empeche pas de reflechir un petit peu avant. Et qu on est pas obligé de foncer dans le mur, on peut aussi le contourner.
Les parcs ANGAP n etaient pas si mal gérés que cela, mais si il faut les confier a des assoc de reference, pourquoi pas mais meme ces assos ont des limites et ne travaillent pas forcément bien. Sinon quels privés capables de s en occuper ? Si l Etat n est pas la panacée, a ce que je sache le privé sans aucun controle montre aussi ses limites. Il me semble que le risque que des entreprises pharmaceutiques ou cosmetiques viennent "voler" les richesses ecologiques de Mada n est pas petit, ca s est produit au Bresil et ailleurs, Mada a t il vraiment les moyens de mieux faire... Alors on verra mais je ne crois pas aux accords et conventions meme sous l apanage du WWF, engagements si faciles a trahir, cf le Tchad qui n a pas attendu longtemps avant de cracher a la figure de la Banque Mondiale pour ses projets petroliers...
Le dogmatisme de la liberalisation a ts crins est un signe de misere intellectuelle tout autant que le dogmatisme collectiviste. Rester en place c est mourir, mais a courrir sans tete on risque aussi d y passer.
Les americains se sont mis a vivre a credit, a financiariser la planete, a detruire l economie reelle au profit de l economie virtuelle. A l epoque, les choses bougeaient, il fallait suivre, emprunter a taux variable (comme en Espagne), placer son argent en bourse, liberaliser les retraites en creant des hedge funds a la francaise. Bref le monde bougeait et il fallait suivre. Saletes de francais qui ne voulaient pas suivre le mouvement. L Islande etait parmi les pays les plus riches du monde grace a ses banques. Et puis catastrophe, la crise.
L Islande est en faillite, les espagnols et plein d americains a la rue, les fonds de pension dans le trou, les retraites par capitalisation envolées...
Alors heureusement que certains se disent que bouger c est bien mais que cela n empeche pas de reflechir un petit peu avant. Et qu on est pas obligé de foncer dans le mur, on peut aussi le contourner.
Les parcs ANGAP n etaient pas si mal gérés que cela, mais si il faut les confier a des assoc de reference, pourquoi pas mais meme ces assos ont des limites et ne travaillent pas forcément bien. Sinon quels privés capables de s en occuper ? Si l Etat n est pas la panacée, a ce que je sache le privé sans aucun controle montre aussi ses limites. Il me semble que le risque que des entreprises pharmaceutiques ou cosmetiques viennent "voler" les richesses ecologiques de Mada n est pas petit, ca s est produit au Bresil et ailleurs, Mada a t il vraiment les moyens de mieux faire... Alors on verra mais je ne crois pas aux accords et conventions meme sous l apanage du WWF, engagements si faciles a trahir, cf le Tchad qui n a pas attendu longtemps avant de cracher a la figure de la Banque Mondiale pour ses projets petroliers...
Le dogmatisme de la liberalisation a ts crins est un signe de misere intellectuelle tout autant que le dogmatisme collectiviste. Rester en place c est mourir, mais a courrir sans tete on risque aussi d y passer.
salut
je suis tout a fait daccord avec toi sur l analyse du systeme et des applications sur mada !!
mais les tenants du liberalisme a tout crin ont la dent dure meme si le retournement de tendance actuel les enfonce dans leur incoherence
moi la privatisation en soit me gene pas mais c est le choix et le cahier des charges qui importe et bien sur son respect (voir QMM)
je crains que ce probleme serve une fois de plus les interets d une petite minorite (tout le monde la connait)
quand a voir l analyse des operateurs vazaha sur place (que l on lit ici ) elle est tellement nulle que je comprends pouquoi ces laisses pour contre trouvent refuge dans des theories vaseuses style " breves de comptoir"
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Affaire Daewoo
Affaire Sheritt
Affaires à suivre comme dirait jipi ...
Affaires à suivre comme dirait jipi ...
Salut,
Suis Malagasy, etudiant en rural development (US), je comprends tout a fait votre reaction vis a vis de l'investisment de Landmark dans cette region. J'ai pas bien suivie les news a Mada, est ce que vous pouvez me dire si ce projet a vraiment deja commencE, est ce qu'ils ont deja commencE a cultiver? ont-ils prevu des sortes de compensation pour les populations de cette region. A mon avis, pour que de tel projet reussisse, il faut un WIN-WIN, gagnant gagnant, et les paysans, les bara devrait profitE de ce projet. Est que Landmark a considerE des activitEs social, ecoles, hopitals. Qu'est ce qu'il ont prevu pour les personnes expropriEs, .... J'essais juste d'etre un peu positif a de genre de projet. Merci (desolE pour les eureurs de francais que je ne maitrise pas bien) Amboara
Suis Malagasy, etudiant en rural development (US), je comprends tout a fait votre reaction vis a vis de l'investisment de Landmark dans cette region. J'ai pas bien suivie les news a Mada, est ce que vous pouvez me dire si ce projet a vraiment deja commencE, est ce qu'ils ont deja commencE a cultiver? ont-ils prevu des sortes de compensation pour les populations de cette region. A mon avis, pour que de tel projet reussisse, il faut un WIN-WIN, gagnant gagnant, et les paysans, les bara devrait profitE de ce projet. Est que Landmark a considerE des activitEs social, ecoles, hopitals. Qu'est ce qu'il ont prevu pour les personnes expropriEs, .... J'essais juste d'etre un peu positif a de genre de projet. Merci (desolE pour les eureurs de francais que je ne maitrise pas bien) Amboara
Amboara
Salut Amboara,
LAndmark est là et travaille depuis maintenant plus d'un an. Au départ, soit disant qu'il y aura des compensations (écoles, hopitaux...); mais dans la réalité, c'est le contraire, c'est à dire qu'on continue de pousser les villages (ou plutôt de rayer ces villages), et pour certains, ils n'ont plus accées à la RN7 (non respect de la servitude), tout reste dans les promesses et aussi dans des trafics d'influences de la part du chef de région qui reçoits de Landmark une certaine compensation, et aussi il y a les magouilles sur les construtions ou l'attributions des complexes agricoles sur place. Et dans tout ça, nous les Bara, nous ne trouvons pas du tout le retombé de a présence de Landmark: pas d'école ou d'hôpitaux ou comme tu dits le WIN-WIN n'existe pas du tout. Même les mains d'oeuvres viennent de l'Inde et Sri-Lanka. Lorsqu'il y a eu la destruction des villages, il n'y pas eu de compensation comme prévus ni une reconstruction d'un lieu pour l'acceuil des villageois....🏴☠️
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Merci pour la response,
Et alors, nous ( les habitants) n’ont pu rien faire quand eux, ils n’ont pas tenu leurs promesses? ...peut etre que c’est encore en cours....et puis je croi pas qu’il se sentirai en security si les habitants les rejetent autant.... J’ai etE elevE et a vecu dans le monde rural, et le probleme de development rural me concerne particulierement....malheureusement, je pourrai me trompE. Je pensais qu’en copiant les pratiques agricoles de ces vazaha, nos paysans pourrait apprendre beaucoup. Cela, nous avons echouE de faire apres le depart des colons. C’est l’une des raisons pour laquelle nos paysans ont ces pratik rudimentaire jusk’a maintenant.....malheureusement cela ne risque pas de reussir si nos dirigeant (a commencE par les chefs de village, ...) sont aussi corrompu. C domage Est ce que par hasard vous avez des articles a propos de ce probleme que vous pouvez partager, (par ex : reactions des habitants, des dirigeants locaux, des activitE de Landmark) Merci.
Et alors, nous ( les habitants) n’ont pu rien faire quand eux, ils n’ont pas tenu leurs promesses? ...peut etre que c’est encore en cours....et puis je croi pas qu’il se sentirai en security si les habitants les rejetent autant.... J’ai etE elevE et a vecu dans le monde rural, et le probleme de development rural me concerne particulierement....malheureusement, je pourrai me trompE. Je pensais qu’en copiant les pratiques agricoles de ces vazaha, nos paysans pourrait apprendre beaucoup. Cela, nous avons echouE de faire apres le depart des colons. C’est l’une des raisons pour laquelle nos paysans ont ces pratik rudimentaire jusk’a maintenant.....malheureusement cela ne risque pas de reussir si nos dirigeant (a commencE par les chefs de village, ...) sont aussi corrompu. C domage Est ce que par hasard vous avez des articles a propos de ce probleme que vous pouvez partager, (par ex : reactions des habitants, des dirigeants locaux, des activitE de Landmark) Merci.
Amboara
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Thanks!
Hello everyone,
Thanks for this amazing forum—I’ve spent hours browsing through it.
I’m reaching out to ask for your help as we’re looking for a destination for our honeymoon.
We never travel outside Europe, so we’re total newbies, but we want to treat ourselves for this special occasion.
Dates: June 23 → July 8 (possibly until July 12) Duration: 2 to 3 weeks Budget: Not really an issue for this trip
Our plan: - A seaside destination first and foremost, with beautiful beaches - We’d like to do some hiking or at least go on walks with scenic viewpoints - A relaxing trip with sunshine, lush greenery, and stunning landscapes - A safe destination
Our thoughts so far: - New Zealand: our dream, but it seems like the wrong time of year weather-wise ++ - Azores: ruled out due to unpredictable weather—what do you think? - Mauritius/Reunion combo: vetoed by my future wife ^^ - Seychelles: seems like it could work, but I’ve read about a few downsides (no shops to buy food, snorkeling not always amazing, occasional weather/tide issues making swimming tricky)
Other options: - French Polynesia: we’re really dreaming of it, but is 2 weeks too short for such a long trip? - Hawaii: same question—too far? - Sardinia?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great weekend!
Blanche & Nicolas
Dates: June 23 → July 8 (possibly until July 12) Duration: 2 to 3 weeks Budget: Not really an issue for this trip
Our plan: - A seaside destination first and foremost, with beautiful beaches - We’d like to do some hiking or at least go on walks with scenic viewpoints - A relaxing trip with sunshine, lush greenery, and stunning landscapes - A safe destination
Our thoughts so far: - New Zealand: our dream, but it seems like the wrong time of year weather-wise ++ - Azores: ruled out due to unpredictable weather—what do you think? - Mauritius/Reunion combo: vetoed by my future wife ^^ - Seychelles: seems like it could work, but I’ve read about a few downsides (no shops to buy food, snorkeling not always amazing, occasional weather/tide issues making swimming tricky)
Other options: - French Polynesia: we’re really dreaming of it, but is 2 weeks too short for such a long trip? - Hawaii: same question—too far? - Sardinia?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great weekend!
Blanche & Nicolas
Hey everyone,
Every year, we love escaping the autumn season—I really can’t stand it—by heading somewhere sunny during the All Saints' holiday.
This year, we were thinking of Mauritius... We’d found a place to stay, but after digging deeper, I realized it’s 40% cheaper in July. And the flights with Emirates aren’t more expensive in the summer, even though it’s peak season for them, compared to October.
Yet, after checking a bunch of sites, I don’t get the impression the weather is bad there in July—maybe just a *tiny* bit less hot than in October, but nothing major... So we’re tempted to go this summer after all.
This big price jump for All Saints' compared to summer is a mystery to me... Did I miss something?
If you’ve got any firsthand experience traveling to Mauritius in July or early August, I’d love to hear about it.
Thanks
Every year, we love escaping the autumn season—I really can’t stand it—by heading somewhere sunny during the All Saints' holiday.
This year, we were thinking of Mauritius... We’d found a place to stay, but after digging deeper, I realized it’s 40% cheaper in July. And the flights with Emirates aren’t more expensive in the summer, even though it’s peak season for them, compared to October.
Yet, after checking a bunch of sites, I don’t get the impression the weather is bad there in July—maybe just a *tiny* bit less hot than in October, but nothing major... So we’re tempted to go this summer after all.
This big price jump for All Saints' compared to summer is a mystery to me... Did I miss something?
If you’ve got any firsthand experience traveling to Mauritius in July or early August, I’d love to hear about it.
Thanks
Hi
Are there any boat connections between Mananara and Sambava in September 2026?
Thanks for your replies
Are there any boat connections between Mananara and Sambava in September 2026?
Thanks for your replies
Hi! Recently, the domestic-flight terminal at Ivato has been moved to the old "international" airport, complete with its own scanner. On October 13th, I checked my luggage (which I had inspected before leaving my hotel in Tana) for a flight to Sambava. It wasn’t until I arrived at my accommodation in Antalaha and opened it that I discovered it had been searched (normal before boarding a plane), but to my surprise, the case containing my GPS fishfinder had been opened—likely mistaken for a laptop due to the scanner’s open access to all kinds of theft—and three SD cards were stolen. Luckily, two of the SD cards had their micro SDs inserted into the device, so I still had the Navionics micro card (300 €) essential for fishing. Of course, I’m not asking for compensation, just urging caution with checked luggage on "domestic" flights. (This is a copy-paste of my post on *Le Routard*.)
Hello,
I’m continuing the Antalaha–Maroantsetra discussion but for some info in the other direction, specifically about hiking from Maroantsetra to Antalaha.
In mid-December, I plan to take it easy from Tamatave to Antalaha. I’m thinking of making a few stops, like Nosy Atafana—has anyone snorkeled there? Is it nice? Can you find bush taxis on the Soniera–Ivongo / Maroantsetra stretch?
After that, I’m considering walking from Maroantsetra to Antalaha and figuring things out as I go, since the path seems well-used, so I’m not planning on a guide. Good idea or totally foolish? Should I bring a tent and some camping gear, or, as I’ve read multiple times, are there several villages with lodging and food options along the way? Any spots worth stopping at or nothing special to see?
In Antalaha, I saw the recommendation for Villa Malaza in the previous discussion, so I’m keeping that in mind. If there’s space, I’ll plan to stay there. In Antalaha itself, are there any places to visit, things to see, or activities you’d recommend?
Thanks in advance to everyone for any tips—they’ll be really helpful!
In mid-December, I plan to take it easy from Tamatave to Antalaha. I’m thinking of making a few stops, like Nosy Atafana—has anyone snorkeled there? Is it nice? Can you find bush taxis on the Soniera–Ivongo / Maroantsetra stretch?
After that, I’m considering walking from Maroantsetra to Antalaha and figuring things out as I go, since the path seems well-used, so I’m not planning on a guide. Good idea or totally foolish? Should I bring a tent and some camping gear, or, as I’ve read multiple times, are there several villages with lodging and food options along the way? Any spots worth stopping at or nothing special to see?
In Antalaha, I saw the recommendation for Villa Malaza in the previous discussion, so I’m keeping that in mind. If there’s space, I’ll plan to stay there. In Antalaha itself, are there any places to visit, things to see, or activities you’d recommend?
Thanks in advance to everyone for any tips—they’ll be really helpful!
Hi everyone,
I'm looking for a private transfer from Tana to Mananjary from May 16 to 20, 2026.
Do you have a contact, please?
Best regards,
Jary
I'm looking for a private transfer from Tana to Mananjary from May 16 to 20, 2026.
Do you have a contact, please?
Best regards,
Jary
Well, I still feel a bit lonely about this destination—no requests for info, no travel journals, or trip reports since I last posted over a year ago. A little disheartening.
That said, I did cross paths with slightly more tourists this time. Not a ton, but enough to notice compared to my last stay. Beyond that, not much has changed—the people are just as lovely, and every interaction, whether at the market, in the medinas, in town, or in the countryside, was positive. It was so pleasant; my "alert meter" stayed at zero the whole time (which is pretty different from some other places I visit now and then). The roads outside the cities remain dangerous, and the accident rate seems high. Best to drive during the day and take it easy (on some rough stretches, you don’t really have a choice anyway). The scattered plastic and metal waste hasn’t magically disappeared, and it’s still pretty discouraging to see the most beautiful beaches surrounded by empty bottles, straws, diapers, and rusted carcasses of an old Xantia or a skeletal Espace. When it’s not on the beach itself (since those are cleaned), it’s just a few meters away. Usually, there’s not much in the water or close to shore—the seabeds are gorgeous, with coral and a wide variety of scaly friends... But stepping back onto the hardened lava, you dodge a chip bag or a shriveled battery. Such a paradox. Honestly, it’s like this almost everywhere except on hotel beaches or those far from human settlements. But otherwise, in places like Chomoni, Bouni, Itsandra, Moya, and Domoni (on Anjouan), Nioumachoua (on Mohéli, and even on the nearby islets), it’s hard to ignore. And it unfortunately tarnishes the beauty of these otherwise stunning spots.
That said, you can still find secluded micro-bays, protected and remote, where this isn’t an issue. And where there are hotels—like in Petite Itsandra in Moroni, in front of Laka Lodge in Nioumachoua, Trou du Prophète, or even Chomoni (though the surrounding areas are so littered...)—the beaches are cleaned, so...
So why go? Why still love it despite all this? Well, first, the Comorians themselves—that’s already essential and probably the main reason. Then there’s the breathtaking topography: the imposing Karthala, the dizzying peaks and cliffs of Anjouan, vast ravines, a tortured geology covered in lush nature, and Mohéli, much more serene and gentle, blanketed in spice plants and trees with names that make you dream, like an open-air spice market. The flora across the islands—the fields, trees, scents: clove trees, cinnamon trees, lychee, mango, cardamom, nutmeg, vanilla, coconut palms, banana trees, coffee plants, cocoa... A profusion of green dotted with red, white, and yellow berries and flowers... The seabeds are stunning in many places, and there are some beautiful beaches/oceanfront spots, especially near Trou du Prophète (but not only there). The history and culture—between traditional festivals, but especially the medinas with their staircases, covered passages, palaces, and mosques that create Escher-like constructions. I love wandering through them for hours, stumbling upon an unlikely shop, a more or less philosophical saying like "pain is a warning," "a promise is a debt," or the less original "little by little, the bird makes its nest." A grocery store, women negotiating freshly caught fish (usually tuna, immediately cut and ready to sell), kids playing, old men playing checkers, a call to prayer... In Moroni, Mutsamudu, and Domoni, I spent most of my "urban" time.
If anyone’s interested—though given the hype about Comoros on the forum, I doubt it—but if you need info on accommodation across the three islands, some restaurants, or sites to visit, don’t hesitate to ask.
This message is another message in a bottle (one more, if I dare...) for the Comoros destination.
That said, I did cross paths with slightly more tourists this time. Not a ton, but enough to notice compared to my last stay. Beyond that, not much has changed—the people are just as lovely, and every interaction, whether at the market, in the medinas, in town, or in the countryside, was positive. It was so pleasant; my "alert meter" stayed at zero the whole time (which is pretty different from some other places I visit now and then). The roads outside the cities remain dangerous, and the accident rate seems high. Best to drive during the day and take it easy (on some rough stretches, you don’t really have a choice anyway). The scattered plastic and metal waste hasn’t magically disappeared, and it’s still pretty discouraging to see the most beautiful beaches surrounded by empty bottles, straws, diapers, and rusted carcasses of an old Xantia or a skeletal Espace. When it’s not on the beach itself (since those are cleaned), it’s just a few meters away. Usually, there’s not much in the water or close to shore—the seabeds are gorgeous, with coral and a wide variety of scaly friends... But stepping back onto the hardened lava, you dodge a chip bag or a shriveled battery. Such a paradox. Honestly, it’s like this almost everywhere except on hotel beaches or those far from human settlements. But otherwise, in places like Chomoni, Bouni, Itsandra, Moya, and Domoni (on Anjouan), Nioumachoua (on Mohéli, and even on the nearby islets), it’s hard to ignore. And it unfortunately tarnishes the beauty of these otherwise stunning spots.
That said, you can still find secluded micro-bays, protected and remote, where this isn’t an issue. And where there are hotels—like in Petite Itsandra in Moroni, in front of Laka Lodge in Nioumachoua, Trou du Prophète, or even Chomoni (though the surrounding areas are so littered...)—the beaches are cleaned, so...
So why go? Why still love it despite all this? Well, first, the Comorians themselves—that’s already essential and probably the main reason. Then there’s the breathtaking topography: the imposing Karthala, the dizzying peaks and cliffs of Anjouan, vast ravines, a tortured geology covered in lush nature, and Mohéli, much more serene and gentle, blanketed in spice plants and trees with names that make you dream, like an open-air spice market. The flora across the islands—the fields, trees, scents: clove trees, cinnamon trees, lychee, mango, cardamom, nutmeg, vanilla, coconut palms, banana trees, coffee plants, cocoa... A profusion of green dotted with red, white, and yellow berries and flowers... The seabeds are stunning in many places, and there are some beautiful beaches/oceanfront spots, especially near Trou du Prophète (but not only there). The history and culture—between traditional festivals, but especially the medinas with their staircases, covered passages, palaces, and mosques that create Escher-like constructions. I love wandering through them for hours, stumbling upon an unlikely shop, a more or less philosophical saying like "pain is a warning," "a promise is a debt," or the less original "little by little, the bird makes its nest." A grocery store, women negotiating freshly caught fish (usually tuna, immediately cut and ready to sell), kids playing, old men playing checkers, a call to prayer... In Moroni, Mutsamudu, and Domoni, I spent most of my "urban" time.
If anyone’s interested—though given the hype about Comoros on the forum, I doubt it—but if you need info on accommodation across the three islands, some restaurants, or sites to visit, don’t hesitate to ask.
This message is another message in a bottle (one more, if I dare...) for the Comoros destination.
hi there
I’ll be in Antalaha in October and need to get to Maroantsetra. I’ve heard it’s possible by boat, but I can’t find any info about it. So I’m wondering if I’ll have to arrange something with local fishing boats or something else, and whether it’s a risky trip since the sea can get rough on Madagascar’s east coast. Has anyone done this before, or just know anything about it? What do you think?
I’ll be in Antalaha in October and need to get to Maroantsetra. I’ve heard it’s possible by boat, but I can’t find any info about it. So I’m wondering if I’ll have to arrange something with local fishing boats or something else, and whether it’s a risky trip since the sea can get rough on Madagascar’s east coast. Has anyone done this before, or just know anything about it? What do you think?
Hello, we’re heading to Mauritius for two weeks at the end of October. We’ll be staying in Trou aux Biches. We’d like to explore the island by bus if possible, so if you have any tips, we’d love to hear them. We’re on half-board, so we’ll also be checking out some nice, typical little restaurants and snack spots. Thanks in advance for your help!
Hi, is it possible to find out? How can I stay for 3 consecutive months in Madagascar, based on a fixed-date flight ticket? In short, how do I get a visa stamped at the airport??
Does anyone know if there’s maritime transport from the southern tip of Africa to a port in MADAGASCAR?
CHEAPER THAN A FLIGHT, see you soon, fellow traveler!!
Does anyone know if there’s maritime transport from the southern tip of Africa to a port in MADAGASCAR?
CHEAPER THAN A FLIGHT, see you soon, fellow traveler!!
Hi there,
We’ve booked accommodation at Digwa Beach Chalet on La Digue. We’ll be arriving and leaving by ferry.
We’re only a 20-minute walk from our rental.
I was wondering if anyone has stayed at this place before and knows if they pick you up from the ferry? Is it free? How much does it cost?
My husband has reduced mobility and with the luggage, it’s not going to be easy. I’ve sent a message to the accommodation but haven’t heard back yet... Thanks so much for your help!
hi, does anyone have any recent info on the condition of this RN6 route? roadworks? maintenance?
and of course, about the two river crossings at Gué between Ambanja and Ambilobe on the Ifatsy and Mahavavy rivers (at the entrance to Ambilobe)
condition of the ferries, possible start of work on the bridges (with the addition of Bailey bridges)
any info after the rainy season, meaning after April 2025
thanks
Can you tell me how long (on average...) the Tana to Tamatave trip takes with local minibus transport?
Which reliable company do you recommend for booking?
Hi there,
We’re thinking of doing the train journey from Fianarantsoa to Manakara again. Is the train still running? After that, we’re planning to go from Manakara to Fort Dauphin by 4x4. Thanks for any tips you can share!
Hello,
After over 40 years of traveling, I’ve never used a driver-guide before.
Given my age, this time I’d like to avoid being squeezed into a bush taxi. I’ve never rented a 4x4 but usually go for sedans.
So, for my upcoming trip to Madagascar, I decided to hire a 4x4 with a driver. I contacted about ten agencies and guides listed in the GR, LP, and travel forums. The quotes I got for 20 days range from 6000 € to 1300 €, with or without fuel included. Most ask for either a full bank transfer upfront or a mobile wallet payment (30%, etc.) from France.
Personally, I’d prefer to see the vehicle and the driver before making any payment.
Also, I’d rather pay at the end of my trip.
Is it possible to find a provider in Tana upon arrival for around 50 or 60 € per day, including fuel, with short notice, some flexibility in my itinerary, and without being forced to accept the dictates of agencies or drivers recommended on certain forums?
Thanks for your replies.
Hello!
My wife and I (Quebecers, 63 years old, retired, celebrating our 45 years together this year, including 20 years of marriage) have chosen to mark the occasion with a trip to Dubai, Réunion, and Mauritius (4 days in Dubai, then 24 days on the islands).
We have a lot of experience planning road trips (scouting routes, visits, hotels, and restaurants of interest), but we travel without reservations to keep the freedom to follow our instincts and tips we get on the spot. We’re moderately active physically and prefer the countryside and beaches over big cities. Our only fixed dates: arrival in Réunion on October 5th and departure from Mauritius on October 29th.
After lots of reading and with the help of an AI (super useful for drafting a first outline!), here’s a possible itinerary framework. Nothing is set in stone—I’d love your suggestions, comments, and thoughts on what’s worth adding or avoiding. Are the proposed bases optimal? Also, if you have recommendations for hotels (mid-range budget of 100–200 euros per night), restaurants, etc., I’m all ears! ;-)
Thanks! 😊
🌴 Réunion (October 5–13, 9 days) Base 1 – Saint-Gilles / L’Hermitage (October 5–8, 3 nights) Oct 5 (Sun): Settle in, relax at L’Hermitage beach. Oct 6 (Mon): Saint-Paul market (morning), beach + sunset at Boucan Canot. Oct 7 (Tue): Excursion to Maïdo (view of Mafate), return via Saint-Leu (Stella Matutina). Oct 8 (Wed): Beach + dolphin/whale-watching boat trip.
Base 2 – Cilaos (October 8–10, 2 nights) Oct 9 (Thu): Route des 400 virages, stroll through the village and Roche Merveilleuse. Oct 10 (Fri): Hike to Bras Rouge (3–4h) or the Chapelle canyon. Creole inn evening.
Base 3 – Plaine des Cafres / Bourg-Murat (October 10–13, 3 nights) Oct 11 (Sat): Road to the volcano → Plaine des Sables → Piton de la Fournaise. Oct 12 (Sun): Wild south coast at Cap Méchant, lava flows, Jardin Parfums, Grande Anse beach. Oct 13 (Mon): Relaxed morning, flight from Réunion to Mauritius.
🏝️ Mauritius (October 13–29, 16 days) Base 1 – Grand Baie / Pereybère (October 13–18, 5 nights) Oct 13 (Mon): Settle in, swim at Mont Choisy. Oct 14 (Tue): Boat excursion to Île Plate & Coin de Mire. Oct 15 (Wed): Pamplemousses Garden + L’Aventure du Sucre. Evening in Grand Baie. Oct 16 (Thu): Trou aux Biches beach, snorkeling. Oct 17 (Fri): Free day, relaxation/shopping.
Base 2 – Flic-en-Flac / Tamarin (October 18–23, 5 nights) Oct 18 (Sat): Drive to the west, settle in, beach. Oct 19 (Sun): Dolphin excursion in Tamarin, relax in the afternoon. Oct 20 (Mon): Chamarel: Terres 7 Couleurs + rum distillery. Oct 21 (Tue): Black River Gorges (hike + waterfalls). Oct 22 (Wed): Snorkeling + sunset.
Base 3 – Belle Mare / Trou d’Eau Douce (October 23–26, 3 nights) Oct 23 (Thu): Settle in, Belle Mare beach. Oct 24 (Fri): Catamaran excursion to Île aux Cerfs. Oct 25 (Sat): Flacq market (morning), beach in the afternoon.
Base 4 – Mahébourg / Blue Bay (October 26–29, 3 nights) Oct 26 (Sun): Settle in, snorkeling at Blue Bay Marine Park. Oct 27 (Mon): Pointe d’Esny + Île aux Aigrettes. Oct 28 (Tue): Free beach day + Mahébourg village. Oct 29 (Wed): Morning swim, return flight at 4 PM (airport is 15 min away).
My wife and I (Quebecers, 63 years old, retired, celebrating our 45 years together this year, including 20 years of marriage) have chosen to mark the occasion with a trip to Dubai, Réunion, and Mauritius (4 days in Dubai, then 24 days on the islands).
We have a lot of experience planning road trips (scouting routes, visits, hotels, and restaurants of interest), but we travel without reservations to keep the freedom to follow our instincts and tips we get on the spot. We’re moderately active physically and prefer the countryside and beaches over big cities. Our only fixed dates: arrival in Réunion on October 5th and departure from Mauritius on October 29th.
After lots of reading and with the help of an AI (super useful for drafting a first outline!), here’s a possible itinerary framework. Nothing is set in stone—I’d love your suggestions, comments, and thoughts on what’s worth adding or avoiding. Are the proposed bases optimal? Also, if you have recommendations for hotels (mid-range budget of 100–200 euros per night), restaurants, etc., I’m all ears! ;-)
Thanks! 😊
🌴 Réunion (October 5–13, 9 days) Base 1 – Saint-Gilles / L’Hermitage (October 5–8, 3 nights) Oct 5 (Sun): Settle in, relax at L’Hermitage beach. Oct 6 (Mon): Saint-Paul market (morning), beach + sunset at Boucan Canot. Oct 7 (Tue): Excursion to Maïdo (view of Mafate), return via Saint-Leu (Stella Matutina). Oct 8 (Wed): Beach + dolphin/whale-watching boat trip.
Base 2 – Cilaos (October 8–10, 2 nights) Oct 9 (Thu): Route des 400 virages, stroll through the village and Roche Merveilleuse. Oct 10 (Fri): Hike to Bras Rouge (3–4h) or the Chapelle canyon. Creole inn evening.
Base 3 – Plaine des Cafres / Bourg-Murat (October 10–13, 3 nights) Oct 11 (Sat): Road to the volcano → Plaine des Sables → Piton de la Fournaise. Oct 12 (Sun): Wild south coast at Cap Méchant, lava flows, Jardin Parfums, Grande Anse beach. Oct 13 (Mon): Relaxed morning, flight from Réunion to Mauritius.
🏝️ Mauritius (October 13–29, 16 days) Base 1 – Grand Baie / Pereybère (October 13–18, 5 nights) Oct 13 (Mon): Settle in, swim at Mont Choisy. Oct 14 (Tue): Boat excursion to Île Plate & Coin de Mire. Oct 15 (Wed): Pamplemousses Garden + L’Aventure du Sucre. Evening in Grand Baie. Oct 16 (Thu): Trou aux Biches beach, snorkeling. Oct 17 (Fri): Free day, relaxation/shopping.
Base 2 – Flic-en-Flac / Tamarin (October 18–23, 5 nights) Oct 18 (Sat): Drive to the west, settle in, beach. Oct 19 (Sun): Dolphin excursion in Tamarin, relax in the afternoon. Oct 20 (Mon): Chamarel: Terres 7 Couleurs + rum distillery. Oct 21 (Tue): Black River Gorges (hike + waterfalls). Oct 22 (Wed): Snorkeling + sunset.
Base 3 – Belle Mare / Trou d’Eau Douce (October 23–26, 3 nights) Oct 23 (Thu): Settle in, Belle Mare beach. Oct 24 (Fri): Catamaran excursion to Île aux Cerfs. Oct 25 (Sat): Flacq market (morning), beach in the afternoon.
Base 4 – Mahébourg / Blue Bay (October 26–29, 3 nights) Oct 26 (Sun): Settle in, snorkeling at Blue Bay Marine Park. Oct 27 (Mon): Pointe d’Esny + Île aux Aigrettes. Oct 28 (Tue): Free beach day + Mahébourg village. Oct 29 (Wed): Morning swim, return flight at 4 PM (airport is 15 min away).
Hey there,
I’m moving to Réunion Island in September and I’d love to hear about your experiences there. What’s there to do and what should I avoid?
Do you have any great tips for budget-friendly accommodation or places to stay?
Any advice on how to save money while I’m there?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
My friend and I are heading to Madagascar in March, and we were wondering if it’s possible to bring some cash and top up once we’re there (specifically in Tana).
Is it worth exchanging money if euros are accepted everywhere?
Thanks for your always super helpful tips on VF!
Hi there,
How do you get from Tamatave or Foulpointe to Sainte Marie Island? We’re heading to Madagascar from July 16 to 29, 2025.
How many days should we stay to explore the area?
What’s there to do in Tamatave, Foulpointe, or Sainte Marie Island?
What should we visit?
Thanks everyone!
Hi,
I’m taking the Cotisse bus soon to go to Antsohihy, so the route is Tana-Majunga with a stop at Antanambaza.
How long does it take to get to Antanambaza? Should I leave at 6:30 PM or 7:00 AM?
Considering I’ll probably need to find a hotel while waiting for a *taxi be* to Antsohihy, I’d rather not arrive in the middle of the night.
And since I’m asking—does anyone have a hotel recommendation in Antanambaza?
Also, can you find a seat on a *taxi be* mid-route?
Thanks! !
Thanks! !
Hi everyone! I’ve put together an itinerary for Madagascar and would love to get your feedback if you can help—thanks!
December 6–9: Antananarivo 3 nights, sightseeing Andasibe-Mantadia National Park Rova of Antananarivo (Ambohimanga Fort) Lemurs’ Park
December 9–11: Fianarantsoa, 2 nights Ranomafana National Park
Ambalavao, December 11–13, 2 nights Andringitra National Park
December 13–15: Ranohira or Ilakaka, 2 nights Monkey Canyon visit Isalo National Park
December 15–18: Tulear, 3 nights Reniala Reserve visit Beach time, possible diving Antsokay Arboretum Ifaty Forest
December 18–19: Full day—take a flight to the capital and stay overnight Then on December 19, take the bus to Morondava
December 19–23: Morondava, 4 nights Kirindy Mitea National Park Avenue of the Baobabs Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park
12:30-hour bus ride from Morondava to the capital
Antananarivo, December 23–24 11:30-hour trip from the capital to Mahajanga
Mahajanga/Majunga, December 24–27, 3 nights Ankarafantsika National Park visit
Ambanja District, 3 nights December 27–30 Tsaratanana Nature Reserve visit Maromokotro trek
Nosy Be Island, December 30–January 7, 2026, 8 nights diving, beach time, relaxation, walks, hiking, snorkeling
Antsiranana, January 7–11, 4 nights Ambavanibe Bay visit Montagne d’Ambre National Park
Return to the capital for a flight home or a 28-hour bus ride
1 or 2 nights in Antananarivo depending on the return trip
January 13: Departure for France Arrival in Paris, France the next day
December 6–9: Antananarivo 3 nights, sightseeing Andasibe-Mantadia National Park Rova of Antananarivo (Ambohimanga Fort) Lemurs’ Park
December 9–11: Fianarantsoa, 2 nights Ranomafana National Park
Ambalavao, December 11–13, 2 nights Andringitra National Park
December 13–15: Ranohira or Ilakaka, 2 nights Monkey Canyon visit Isalo National Park
December 15–18: Tulear, 3 nights Reniala Reserve visit Beach time, possible diving Antsokay Arboretum Ifaty Forest
December 18–19: Full day—take a flight to the capital and stay overnight Then on December 19, take the bus to Morondava
December 19–23: Morondava, 4 nights Kirindy Mitea National Park Avenue of the Baobabs Tsingy de Bemaraha National Park
12:30-hour bus ride from Morondava to the capital
Antananarivo, December 23–24 11:30-hour trip from the capital to Mahajanga
Mahajanga/Majunga, December 24–27, 3 nights Ankarafantsika National Park visit
Ambanja District, 3 nights December 27–30 Tsaratanana Nature Reserve visit Maromokotro trek
Nosy Be Island, December 30–January 7, 2026, 8 nights diving, beach time, relaxation, walks, hiking, snorkeling
Antsiranana, January 7–11, 4 nights Ambavanibe Bay visit Montagne d’Ambre National Park
Return to the capital for a flight home or a 28-hour bus ride
1 or 2 nights in Antananarivo depending on the return trip
January 13: Departure for France Arrival in Paris, France the next day




