nous étions quatre, nous avons loués un appart complet salon marocain (ou 3 personnes auraient pu dormir)salon européen, tv, lecteur dvd, 2 chambres, sdb et cuisine équipée y comprit lave linge au rez de chaussée 400dh la nuit (si intéressé je peux vous donner l'adresse mail du proprio)
nous avons loués une clio classic chez rayhane cars pour 300dh la journée assurances incluses
nous avons fais le tour des menus des petits restos place tamri, moyenne de 40dh par personne
nous avons exploré les alentours d'Agadir, quelques randos et un peu de farniente sur la plage.
ce qui donne une moyenne de 250dh par jour par personne tout compris
pour le ravitaillement, nous avons acheté chez les commerçants et non pas dans les grandes surfaces, les prix ne sont pas plus cher chez eux . j'ai voulu aller chez marjane, j'ai fais demi tour quand j'ai vu la forêt de camping car sur le parking. à croire qu'ils s'étaient donné rdv
Bonsoir Monsieur
D accord avec vous les camping caristes quelle bande de beaufs
Que ce soit a Marakech, a El jadida nous en sommes envahis incorrectement en plus
Un malheur pour le tourisme en general, ces gens se garent n importe ou en ne respectant ni site ni population, a Coté les gens du voyage ne sont rien
" ... j'ai voulu aller chez marjane, j'ai fais demi tour quand j'ai vu la forêt de camping car sur le parking ... "
Ah bon, moi qui croyais que, d'après pas mal de post sur VF, ces gens-là amenaient tout de chez eux et n'achetaient rien ici...ne faisant pas fructifier l'économie du pays ....
bonjour,
est ce que j'ai dis que je les ai vu à l'intérieur? non j'ai dis sur le parking et je vous assure que j'en ai vu qui faisait à manger entre deux camping car toujours sur ce même parking. cela ressemblait plus à un rassemblement qu'au fruit du hasard de personnes allant faire des courses au même endroit au même moment.
je vais ajouter que j'en ai vu aussi sur le parking de l'aéroport.
alors, je sais pas, mais si c'est ça des vacances, non merci
Je ne suis pas certain qu'en France on peut sur un parking de super marché faire sa petite bouffe en sortant bien entendu la table et les chaises pliantes, le vin etc.....
Je parle même pas de la tenue vestimentaire........
C est pourtant bien vrai et c est tant mieux, c est vraiment du n importe quoi,
Enfin je me demande si la connerie humaine a enfin atteint ses limites
A Agadir c est l horreur, une horde disgratieuse conduite par des gens sans education squate parkings et centre ville, a Sidi Ifni pire encore c est sur la plage, et pffffffff que la fete continue
tu as dit : "a Sidi Ifni pire encore c est sur la plage "
tu as raison, mais il faut signaler qu'il s'agit d'un endroit clos dévolu aux camping-caristes, alors c'est pas de leur "faute" à eux pour ce coup-ci, non ? Ils occupent tout bonnement la place qu'on leur a réservée et ils en sont bien contents, normal ... Allez, une ch'te bière ? 😉
En effet il y a une solution comme celle pratiquée de plus en plus en Italie par Ex au lac de Garde et en Suisse dans tous parkings une barre de tube est soudée a 2, 10 de hauteur et ce a l entrée, en Normandie chez moi Deauville, Honfleur etc ils interdisent le stationnement en ville a ce type de vehicule, et le parking des super marché en general tres limité ce qui a eu pour effet de faire revenir des vacanciers mais des vrais, pour ma part je prefere de loin le bon routard sac a dos qui lui ne casse pas pieds et oreilles aux autres sans oubliez la vue bien entendu
Voila c est simple
les camping-caristes viennent souvent pour plusieurs mois, le PTC est de 3, 5 T donc le ravitaillement est indispensable, il est impossible d'apporter d'Europe la nourriture de plusieurs mois et c'est moins cher.
c'est vrai que certains se comportent comme des gougnafiers, mais pas tous.
bonjour à tous😉
vous êtes un peu dur avec ces campingcarristes, c'est comme toutes les populations, il y a des cons, mais aussi des gens sympas...
ils consomment quand même sur place en restant 3 mois l'hiver, ils achètent aussi (même des tapis à Tafraout, je l'ai vu 🙂 ...)
il picoles leur pastis ou leur bière ....nous aussi .
l'ennui en effet c'est qu'ils se posent 1 peu n'importe ou et sont voyant, mais aux autorités Marocaine à leur
réserver des campings payant .
les hordes de bus Fram ( français rien acheté au maroc 😉) ou autres compagnies ne sont pas toujours agréables pour les "routards " que nous sommes mais il faut composer avec .
s'il n'y avait que des routards au Maroc ou ailleurs il n'y aurais pas beaucoup de touristes ...
aller pour vous faire plaisir 😉....1 petite photo .
belle journée
francia
Bonjour
dur dur je ne sais pas peut etre mais justifié je pense, et encore je suis un moderé, par rapport a d autres archis hostiles a ce genre de population qui d apres eux çA FINIRA MAL
Quand aux bus Fram et autre je n ai jamais vu une horde de 60 bus sur un parking comme a Taroudant ou meme les locaux ne peuvent plus se garer, ni meme dirais je les touristes ordinaires avec leur tite toto, bien sage sans barbecue derriere, et qui ne reste qu une ou 2 Heures et calmement bien sur puisqu il n y a personne dans l auto,
A Tafraout demander ce qu en pense les gens ? vous serez surpris desagreablement si vous cautionner l etat d esprit des campings caristes, moi j ecoute et je regarde c est tout, mais depité ça c est sur,
Merci pour votre cliché de 1000 CC en train de se faire dorer la pilule sur la belle plage de Sidi Ifni, Quelle honte,
Meme les plus tolerant ne tolerent plus ce genre d individus,
Il y avait une serie US a la telé appellée les envahisseurs avec Roy Tiness et ce dans les années 80, ce Mr avait le don et la maniere de faire le menage a l encontre des envahisseurs venus d une autre planete ahhhh, Bon peut etre pourait t on lui demander ne nous donner un coup de main ? a mon avis les CCristes ne viennent pas de Mars ou autres donc Mr Tiness ne devrait pas avoir de mal pour nous debarasser de cette horde qui detruit le littoral et les villes Merci pour la photo NO COMMENT
aller j arrete la trop c est trop ça m enerve
😠😠😠😠😠
comme dirais l'autre :
" les vieux faudrait les piquer à la naissance ! "😉
et après les camping-cars, il vont construire des maisons de retraites pour les "vieux" au Maroc ...que des
chibanis, ça va pas être triste !!!!!
aller, belle journée quand même, le soleil est la, va faire du bien à mon arthrose 🏴☠️🤪😠
francia
La photo est très réussie 😎 je la garde sur mon bureau 😛
J'étais passée fin juin 2008 à Sidi Ifni donc je connais ce camping sur la plage, de même que l'autre qu'on aperçoit depuis l'hôtel Suerte Loca. Tous deux étaient complètement désert lors de mon passage ...
bonjour
Oui des chibanis dans des maisons de retaites, bien sympas qui ne demandent qu a communiquer en attendant la fin du voyage,
Non des chibanis stupides et poluants dans leur campings cars, memes sympas pour certains qui ne demandent qu a bouffer du bitume et squatter parkings et plages
en faisant chier le monde c est pas vraiment pareil
La liberte commence par celle que l ont veuille bien laisser aux autres et ce sans les faire chier ( dicton celebre revu et corrigé a la sauce locale anti CC )
Allez bonne journée au soleil et bon sejour
Les propos des intervenants ne sont pas durs mais logiques en effet trop c est trop
Ces gens qui parlent de liberté en pourissant la vie des autres, a mon avis ce type de voyageurs devrait etre parqués dans des anciens locaux de foire aux bestiaux ils ne meritent que cela, de plus les enfants pourront visiter le parc a la maniere des visites des zoos en lançant des cacaouettes,
Mr Madiran a tout a fait raison, trop c est trop, et il vaut mieux en rire que pleurer
Pour les autocars de voyage un bus fait peut etre 2 fois la longueur d un CC mais avec 60 personnes dedans donc le ratio est vite fait, et des bus en Parking de supermarché et sur plage j en ai pas encore vus,
Y en a marre c est tout
Bon perso je n en ferait plus un fromage sur ces gens la, nous sommes dans un forum de voyage et bon on a tout dit sur LES ENVAHISSEURS,
Mais pour la Derniere fois j ai malheureusement un truc a dire ; Au nord d Agadir a 20 Km a peine il y a apres Aourir un bistrot a poisson nommé CHEZ BRAHIM et ce en haut de la cote qui mene a Tamraght a gauche banana beach, et la franchement je suis tombé sur le cul, il y a sur ce petit parking sympa ou avant quelques baba cool surfurs etait posé la penardement avec leurs 4L ou mini bus VW ou Traffic Renault, et maintenant tous ces gros beaufs de camping caristes ont investis le lieu j en ai compté 44 et plus de place pour les autres, et si d entre nous peuvent trouver mes propos acerbes et bien allez faire un tour las bas ça vaut le coup,
Je ne comprend pas ce qu attend la surete nationale pour virer tous ces cons las
Du coup le p tit resto lui est archi enmerder avec cela et boum voila encore une fois une affaire pliée
allez bye bye suis revolté merci Christian de nous avoir ouvert avec Filip les yeux et ce avant qu ont les fement
🙁🙁
Je confirme ce que vous dites, car j'ai eu un mal fou à me garer pour aller chez Brahim, qui du reste est un bon petit resto pour le poisson, resto quasiment vide, parking rempli, c'est pas normal ça car même si rien interdit de ce parqué là, le savoir vivre voudrait, enfin il me semble, que ces chers CC ne cachent pas le resto et aillent se garer un peu plus loin, mais ça c'est trop demander sans doute!!!!
oui mais pour les cafards il existe de la poudre pour s en debarasser dans toutes les drogueries 😉
Je connais bien les cafards pour en avoir eu chez moi à Marseille. Le cafard a une particularité, c'est qu'il est nécrophage et antropophage. C'est à dire qu'il suffit d'en tuer UN, d'autres vont s'empoisonner en le bouffant et ainsi de suite. A la fin, il n'en reste plus qu'un, tu l'écrase et le tour est joué🙂 !! Va faire ça avec les camping-caristes😏😏! Où alors, si! Tu empoisonnes l'eau du pastis 😏 !! Comme ils vont tous se servir à la même cruche..... Ce qu'on faisait ici avec les campeurs parisiens dans les années 70' (ils nous prenaient pour des ploucs, alors...), on achetait des carabines à plomb et à l'heure de l'apéro, on s'embusquait et on leur tirait dans le lobe des oreilles; les mecs croyaient que c'était les moustiques....!!
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
