Népal: chemin vers le camp de base du Khongde (ou Lho)
by Gazipach9
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
Nous préparons un trek vers le camp de base du Khongde en mai 2016. Le tracé est bien indiqué sur les cartes, mais c'est plus qu'approximatif, comme d'habitude (l'une fait dépasser Phakding pour l'embranchement, l'autre non par exemple, ça commence bien!). Si quelqu'un a déjà fait ce trajet, pourrait-il me donner quelques indications? Merci à l'avance!
Salut,
Tout ce que je sais c'est qu'il existe un lodge luxueux au pied du Khongde : le Yeti mountain Home:www.yetimountainhome.com/...-ymh/ymh-kongde.html
Il est assez "facile" de s'y rendre c'est à 4250 m il faut 7 heures de grimpette ( 1500m de dénivelé) à partir du village de Toktok( 2760m) qui se situe à mi chemin entre Phakding et Monjo. Je n'y suis pas allé mais j'avais discuté de cet endroit avec un Sherpa à Namche. Peut-être que tu pourrais obtenir plus d'infos en contactant le yeti montainhome... il doit peut-être exister 2 chemins pour s'y rendre : 1 à partir de Phakding ? Mais l'autre c'est certain existe bien à partir de Toktok.
Tout ce que je sais c'est qu'il existe un lodge luxueux au pied du Khongde : le Yeti mountain Home:www.yetimountainhome.com/...-ymh/ymh-kongde.html
Il est assez "facile" de s'y rendre c'est à 4250 m il faut 7 heures de grimpette ( 1500m de dénivelé) à partir du village de Toktok( 2760m) qui se situe à mi chemin entre Phakding et Monjo. Je n'y suis pas allé mais j'avais discuté de cet endroit avec un Sherpa à Namche. Peut-être que tu pourrais obtenir plus d'infos en contactant le yeti montainhome... il doit peut-être exister 2 chemins pour s'y rendre : 1 à partir de Phakding ? Mais l'autre c'est certain existe bien à partir de Toktok.
Salut Jean-Michel,
Merci pour l'info. Je vois en effet qu'une vallée peut conduire vers le camp de base éventuellement à partir de Tok Tok et menant à Lumding la. Pas de chemin sur mes cartes mais c'est à prospecter sur place. Il y aurait 3 chemins possibles au point où j'en suis de mon enquête: l'"officiel" partant au niveau de Phakding, celui que tu indiques et un autre plus au sud, un peu avant le niveau de Lukla, empruntant le cours de la Ludja khola ou un peu plus sur les coteaux: Lumding kharka. On me parle aussi d'une possibilité à partir de Dudh Kund. Mais de là je ne vois pas comment avec un long massif à plus de 5000m barrant le passage.
Pas de chemin sur mes cartes
Sur la carte au 1/60.000 ième en vente dans les librairies de KTM( Lukla to Gokyo et Lukla to Everest base camp) on voit très bien le chemin qui part de Toktok et qui va directement à Thame ( sans passer par Namche) avec comme seule halte possible le col de Khongde et son lodge luxueux ( Yeti mountain home) juste au dessus de ce col se trouve le Nupla un sommet à 5885m... Je m'étais d'ailleurs renseigné sur cette possibilité d'aller directement à Thame sans passer par Namche mais on m'a bien expliqué que le seul endroit pour passer la nuit ( sans bivouaquer) était ce lodge assez cher. De plus ça fait faire une étape plutôt hard de 2600m/2700m à 4250m! La question que je me posais était celle du check point vu que par ce chemin on évite Monjo et que l'entrée dans le parc national se fait à partir du col de Khongde. Il devrait donc y avoir un check post à ce col. Il doit bien falloir être acclimaté pour monter la haut en venant de Lukla car c'est quand même 800m plus haut que Namche!
Sur la carte au 1/60.000 ième en vente dans les librairies de KTM( Lukla to Gokyo et Lukla to Everest base camp) on voit très bien le chemin qui part de Toktok et qui va directement à Thame ( sans passer par Namche) avec comme seule halte possible le col de Khongde et son lodge luxueux ( Yeti mountain home) juste au dessus de ce col se trouve le Nupla un sommet à 5885m... Je m'étais d'ailleurs renseigné sur cette possibilité d'aller directement à Thame sans passer par Namche mais on m'a bien expliqué que le seul endroit pour passer la nuit ( sans bivouaquer) était ce lodge assez cher. De plus ça fait faire une étape plutôt hard de 2600m/2700m à 4250m! La question que je me posais était celle du check point vu que par ce chemin on évite Monjo et que l'entrée dans le parc national se fait à partir du col de Khongde. Il devrait donc y avoir un check post à ce col. Il doit bien falloir être acclimaté pour monter la haut en venant de Lukla car c'est quand même 800m plus haut que Namche!
Lors de mon dernier séjour j'ai fait une partie de la montée à Kondge à partir de Toktok, c'est vrai que le départ n'est pas facile à trouver mais aussi dans la première partie de la montée la trace se perd au moment où il faut bifurquer à droite.
Regarder le Jour 5 ici : http://dchabaud.perso.neuf.fr/2013-EverestTrek.html
Je pense avoir la trace GPS chez moi, passe moi ton email en MP si tu la veux.
Regarder le Jour 5 ici : http://dchabaud.perso.neuf.fr/2013-EverestTrek.html
Je pense avoir la trace GPS chez moi, passe moi ton email en MP si tu la veux.
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Bonjour Dom,
J'ai regardé ta description. Il me semble que nos objectifs sont différents: si je comprends bien, tu essayais de rejoindre Kongde dont on peut localiser l'hotel sur Google Earth. Ce que je vais tenter de faire, c'est rejoindre le camp de base du Kongde, fort éloigné de cet hôtel. En fait, à la suite de la suggestion de Jean-Michel, j'ai regardé les pentes du versant à partir de Tok Tok, menant à Lumding la, passage qui semble obligé pour joindre KBC à partir de ce niveau. Ces pentes sont conciliables avec une ascension avec sac à dos et même moins raides que celles de l'autre versant à partir de Phakding, sur le chemin tracé sur mes cartes. A partir de Kongde (le site de l'hôtel luxueux), il ne me semble pas possible, d'atteindre facilement le camp ce base. Je t'envoie mon adresse par mp si tu veux bien m'envoyer ton tracé. Peut être qu'une première partie de l'ascension est commune en direction de Lumding la.
Bonjour Jean-Michel,
Je vois effectivement sur mes cartes cette route montant à Kongde rejoignant ensuite Thame. Mon objectif est de rejoindre le camp de base du Kongde. Effectivement, il est peut-être possible de rejoindre le Lumding la en suivant le cours de la Nagbuwa Drenka khola à partir de Tok Tok. Cette direction est presque opposée à celle qui mène à Kongde (village). Il faut, d'une manière ou d'une autre rejoindre la Lumding khola puis la remonter jusqu'au camp de base. Les treks organisés commencent l'ascension à partir de Phakding. Une autre solution consiste à remonter la Lumbing khola à partir du niveau de Nakjung et Tate, sur le versant opposé à Surke (à proximité de Lukla). Mais ill paraît qu'il n'y a pas de chemin. Merci en tout cas pour les recherches.
Effectivement pour ce qui est du camp de base du Khongde c'est pas vraiment du côté du yeti mountain lodge; ça me semble plus accessible par la Lumding khola!
Ah oui, je pense voir le parcours que tu veux faire sur une carte que j'aie, je t'envois tout ça sur ton email.
En regardant de plus près ma carte je vois bien plusieurs possibilités : - pas très loin de Lukla, au niveau de la ChauriKharka school, il y a un sentier qui part un peu à l'Ouest puis au Nord pour passer le Mora La 4343 m puis qui rejoint le Lugma La 4516 m. - je vois d'autres chemins qui montent de plus bas, rive droite de la Dudh Koshi, ma carte s'arrête avant mais je pense que que se sont des chemins qui viennent de Jiri. - un peu après le pont de Phadking il y a un sentier qui monte au Lugma La.
Après le Lugma La le sentier suit la Lumding Khoma rive gauche puis se sépare en deux, à droite pour le sommet Shar 6093 m, à gauche pour le sommet Nup à 6035 m.
Pas d'accès depuis le sentier qui monte au lodge de Kongde.
En regardant de plus près ma carte je vois bien plusieurs possibilités : - pas très loin de Lukla, au niveau de la ChauriKharka school, il y a un sentier qui part un peu à l'Ouest puis au Nord pour passer le Mora La 4343 m puis qui rejoint le Lugma La 4516 m. - je vois d'autres chemins qui montent de plus bas, rive droite de la Dudh Koshi, ma carte s'arrête avant mais je pense que que se sont des chemins qui viennent de Jiri. - un peu après le pont de Phadking il y a un sentier qui monte au Lugma La.
Après le Lugma La le sentier suit la Lumding Khoma rive gauche puis se sépare en deux, à droite pour le sommet Shar 6093 m, à gauche pour le sommet Nup à 6035 m.
Pas d'accès depuis le sentier qui monte au lodge de Kongde.
Bub
Exploring the world
https://dchabaud.fr
Plutôt à envisager dans le sens Thame -> Toktok pour éviter de repasser par Namche en redescendant.
Bub
Exploring the world
https://dchabaud.fr
Bonsoir,
dans mes recherches pour mon trek,
j'avais trouvé ça :
http://icaci.org/map-of-the-month-122013/
cela concerne en partie le tracé que tu recherches, si cela peut t’intéresser...
Pour plus de détails, tu trouveras peut-être quelques tuyaux sur les sites en anglais.
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Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro



