Nous sommes au Laos et voudrions rejoindre Chian Mai en Thaïlande et ensuite passer la frontière terrestre de Birmanie. Peut on actuellement aller jusqu'à Mandalay par voie terrestre ? Comment ? Quel visa ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de message récent. Merci d'avance. Nadine
Passage frontière terrestre pour la Birmanie depuis Chiang Mai possible?
by Baroud3x20F
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour
Nous sommes au Laos et voudrions rejoindre Chian Mai en Thaïlande et ensuite passer la frontière terrestre de Birmanie. Peut on actuellement aller jusqu'à Mandalay par voie terrestre ? Comment ? Quel visa ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de message récent. Merci d'avance. Nadine
Nous sommes au Laos et voudrions rejoindre Chian Mai en Thaïlande et ensuite passer la frontière terrestre de Birmanie. Peut on actuellement aller jusqu'à Mandalay par voie terrestre ? Comment ? Quel visa ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de message récent. Merci d'avance. Nadine
Bonjour Nadine,
Tu peux prendre un bus de Chiang Mai vers Mae Sot (compagnie Green bus, trajets quotidiens), passer la frontière de Mae Sot vers Myawaddy puis prendre un transport vers Hpa An (il y aura sans doute des taxis si les transports collectifs font défaut). De Hpa An il y a des liaisons en bus, au moins vers Yangon et Naypyitaw. De là, plein de bus vers Mandalay.
Je n'ai pas passé la frontière plus au nord, vers Tachilek. Lorsque j'étais au Myanmar en décembre dernier, plusieurs personnes m'ont dit qu'il était nécessaire de prendre un vol interne pour atteindre cette frontière car la région à traverser serait interdite aux étrangers. Mais je n'ai pas vérifié l'info...
Un e-visa permet d'entrer et de sortir de Birmanie par la frontière Mae Sot/Myawaddy. Aucune idée pour la frontière de Tachilek mais tu peux trouver l'info sur le site de l'immigration birmane.
Bon voyage !
Tu peux prendre un bus de Chiang Mai vers Mae Sot (compagnie Green bus, trajets quotidiens), passer la frontière de Mae Sot vers Myawaddy puis prendre un transport vers Hpa An (il y aura sans doute des taxis si les transports collectifs font défaut). De Hpa An il y a des liaisons en bus, au moins vers Yangon et Naypyitaw. De là, plein de bus vers Mandalay.
Je n'ai pas passé la frontière plus au nord, vers Tachilek. Lorsque j'étais au Myanmar en décembre dernier, plusieurs personnes m'ont dit qu'il était nécessaire de prendre un vol interne pour atteindre cette frontière car la région à traverser serait interdite aux étrangers. Mais je n'ai pas vérifié l'info...
Un e-visa permet d'entrer et de sortir de Birmanie par la frontière Mae Sot/Myawaddy. Aucune idée pour la frontière de Tachilek mais tu peux trouver l'info sur le site de l'immigration birmane.
Bon voyage !
Merci Marion. J'ai trouvé cet te information déjà mais je voulais une réponse récente de quelqu un qui est passé par le Nord. Je voudrais voir cette région. Merci d avoir pris la peine de me répondre. Amicalement. Nadine
Bonjour
Je suppose que vous parlez de la frontière à Tachileik la plus au Nord. Il faut être en possession du visa Birman. De là vous pouvez vous rendre à Kengtung mais impossible d'aller vers l'intérieur du pays par la route car elle est interdite aux étrangers. C'est l'avion obligatoirement pour rejoindre Mandalay ou l'aéroport de Heho près du lac Inle.
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Merci. Je présume que votre information est récente et de, première main ?
Je prendrai l avion à Chiang Mai alors
Ou vous pouvez aussi prendre l'avion à Tachileik si jamais vous vouliez rendre visite aux minorités autour de Kengtung.
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Ah oui? Vous le conseillez? Cela en vaut la peine? Pas trop touristique ?
Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses
Pour voir les minorités Akha, Lahu Shi, les Femmes aux dents noires... et j'en passe, c'est l'idéal mais il faut un bon petit budget surtout pour le guide, obligatoire dans cette région.
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Là ça devient vraiment intéressant !!!
Je suis désolée de prendre ainsi votre temps. Vous pourriez m en dire plus ? Où trouver ces guides ?
Quel sorte de budget et combien de jours ça prend ?
Merci mille fois !! Nadine
Merci mille fois !! Nadine
Bjr
je vous conseille de chercher des infos tres recentes sur les possibilités de balades dans les montagnes et villages au dessus de Kentung et sur la route vers Mongla et la frontière chinoise
Notez aussi qu'actuellement il peut faire tres froid des qu'on monte en altitude On vient d'essuyer sur le nord Thailande la deuxieme vague de froid de la saison avec des températures en ville à ChiangMai de moins de 12 degres - et donc en dessous des 10 degres des qu'on part dans les montagnes au dessus en altitude -
le plus facile, si vous n'avez pas de contact direct sur place est de contacter les hebergements de Kentung et de leur demander ce qu'ils proposent ACTUELLEMENT commes balades dans les villages a proximité
je vous conseille de chercher des infos tres recentes sur les possibilités de balades dans les montagnes et villages au dessus de Kentung et sur la route vers Mongla et la frontière chinoise
Notez aussi qu'actuellement il peut faire tres froid des qu'on monte en altitude On vient d'essuyer sur le nord Thailande la deuxieme vague de froid de la saison avec des températures en ville à ChiangMai de moins de 12 degres - et donc en dessous des 10 degres des qu'on part dans les montagnes au dessus en altitude -
le plus facile, si vous n'avez pas de contact direct sur place est de contacter les hebergements de Kentung et de leur demander ce qu'ils proposent ACTUELLEMENT commes balades dans les villages a proximité
On eu le siècle des Lumières,
puis un con a dû éteindre
Où trouver ces guides ?
En préalable à ma visite en mars 2016, j'avais identifié sur le web : (nota, j'ai remplacé le symbole @ par (*) pour éviter que les adresses emails soient inondés de spam) - Sai Moon, koootin(*)yahoo.com, originaire de Kengtung, mais habitant Mae Sai, en face de Tachileik côté thaïlandais. - Kengtung Trekking (kyawsein98(*)gmail.com; 0932522856) - Sai Leng (sairoctor.htunleng(*)gmail.com, www.facebook.com/roctor.leng?fref=ts). - Sai Noot (Dom) 09-5250718, 09-261920400, dominic.noot(*)gmail.com, - Sai Sai (loimwe), 9428211328, saisaiktg08(*)gmail.com, - Yot Kham (09-49031934, 09-254171953, yotkham(*)gmail.com, www.facebook.com/yot.kham.5?fref=ts / www.freddietrekkingktg.blogspot.com). - Ah Gar (www.facebook.com/maung.ahsi?fref=ts, ahsi.ktg(*)gmail.com). - Sai Woon Pe Te. 959742 82 10 290. - James (Sai Hla Win) 09250951163, zacissacq(*)gmail.com - Sai Sam Tip, 09-4100-6263, saisamtip3(*)gmail.com.. - Maw Htoo ? / Mawthoo mawhtoo223(*)gmail.com - Sai Tint Zaw Tun, sweeperster(*)gmail.com, 09-5252858
En sus, d'autres guides sont joignables via les hôtels.
Pour ma part, j'ai fait travailler Sai Moon qui s'est montré inventif pour répondre à mes besoins. En particulier, combinaison avec location d'un scooter auprès de la Harry's Trekking House (gérante désagréable, mais seul endroit ouvert à la location de scooter). Un brin mégalo, d'une excessive fierté, mais très attentionné auprès de son client.
Quel sorte de budget
Dans mon cas, j'ai payé 25$ / j, hors coût de transport. Normalement, il faut affréter un véhicule avec chauffeur, mais mon guide a accepté de me convoyer sur un scooter loué (10 000 kyats / j pour le scooter, essence incluse). Hormis pour les villages Loi de Wan Seng & Wan Nyet dans le District de Mongla, pour lesquels l'Administration de Kengtung impose un véhicule 4 roues. Sai Moon m'a trouvé un pick-up à 50 000 kyats, alors que les taxis demandaient 102 000 kyats.
D'après mon guide Sai Moon, le propriétaire du Princess Hotel organise une cartel imposant les prix.
et combien de jours ça prend ?
Cela va dépendre du nombre de villages que vous voulez voir et de leur éloignement. Quand j'y ai été (mars-16), obligation de retourner coucher à Kengtung tous les soirs.
Descriptifs d'offres in www.myanmartravels.net/trekking-highlights.htm.
Fabrice
En préalable à ma visite en mars 2016, j'avais identifié sur le web : (nota, j'ai remplacé le symbole @ par (*) pour éviter que les adresses emails soient inondés de spam) - Sai Moon, koootin(*)yahoo.com, originaire de Kengtung, mais habitant Mae Sai, en face de Tachileik côté thaïlandais. - Kengtung Trekking (kyawsein98(*)gmail.com; 0932522856) - Sai Leng (sairoctor.htunleng(*)gmail.com, www.facebook.com/roctor.leng?fref=ts). - Sai Noot (Dom) 09-5250718, 09-261920400, dominic.noot(*)gmail.com, - Sai Sai (loimwe), 9428211328, saisaiktg08(*)gmail.com, - Yot Kham (09-49031934, 09-254171953, yotkham(*)gmail.com, www.facebook.com/yot.kham.5?fref=ts / www.freddietrekkingktg.blogspot.com). - Ah Gar (www.facebook.com/maung.ahsi?fref=ts, ahsi.ktg(*)gmail.com). - Sai Woon Pe Te. 959742 82 10 290. - James (Sai Hla Win) 09250951163, zacissacq(*)gmail.com - Sai Sam Tip, 09-4100-6263, saisamtip3(*)gmail.com.. - Maw Htoo ? / Mawthoo mawhtoo223(*)gmail.com - Sai Tint Zaw Tun, sweeperster(*)gmail.com, 09-5252858
En sus, d'autres guides sont joignables via les hôtels.
Pour ma part, j'ai fait travailler Sai Moon qui s'est montré inventif pour répondre à mes besoins. En particulier, combinaison avec location d'un scooter auprès de la Harry's Trekking House (gérante désagréable, mais seul endroit ouvert à la location de scooter). Un brin mégalo, d'une excessive fierté, mais très attentionné auprès de son client.
Quel sorte de budget
Dans mon cas, j'ai payé 25$ / j, hors coût de transport. Normalement, il faut affréter un véhicule avec chauffeur, mais mon guide a accepté de me convoyer sur un scooter loué (10 000 kyats / j pour le scooter, essence incluse). Hormis pour les villages Loi de Wan Seng & Wan Nyet dans le District de Mongla, pour lesquels l'Administration de Kengtung impose un véhicule 4 roues. Sai Moon m'a trouvé un pick-up à 50 000 kyats, alors que les taxis demandaient 102 000 kyats.
D'après mon guide Sai Moon, le propriétaire du Princess Hotel organise une cartel imposant les prix.
et combien de jours ça prend ?
Cela va dépendre du nombre de villages que vous voulez voir et de leur éloignement. Quand j'y ai été (mars-16), obligation de retourner coucher à Kengtung tous les soirs.
Descriptifs d'offres in www.myanmartravels.net/trekking-highlights.htm.
Fabrice
S'exposer à l'Etranger lointain amène à mieux connaître et comprendre sa propre Culture.
Ouaw!!!! Un énorme MERCI pour toutes ces informations.
Je vais étudier tout cela en profondeur. ..
Merci merci encore
Amicalement Nadine
bonjour
et pour passer par la frontière près du col des 3 pagodes vous savez si c'est possible ?
et pour passer par la frontière près du col des 3 pagodes vous savez si c'est possible ?
Fais de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve, une réalité
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non pas la ( sauf juste a la journée pour les Thais)
le passage frontière dans ce coin ouvert aux etrangers se trouve juste avant a l'Ouest de Kanchanaburi sur la meme lattitude passage de PhuNamRon / Htee Khee voir GPS sur google map GPS 13.894950, 99.082064
sur google map on voit l'autoroute 4 voies qui relie la frontièere a Kanchanaburi -- et de l'autre coté la route qui part vers DAWEI


non pas la ( sauf juste a la journée pour les Thais)
le passage frontière dans ce coin ouvert aux etrangers se trouve juste avant a l'Ouest de Kanchanaburi sur la meme lattitude passage de PhuNamRon / Htee Khee voir GPS sur google map GPS 13.894950, 99.082064
sur google map on voit l'autoroute 4 voies qui relie la frontièere a Kanchanaburi -- et de l'autre coté la route qui part vers DAWEI


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TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.






