bonjour
comme indique le titre, pour conduire un scooter dans les iles grecques, doit on
avoir le permis moto ou non?
permis qui date de 1993 donc pas le AM
bonne journée
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Permis moto ou pas pour un scooter dans les îles grecques?
by Wiletalex
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
merci pour votre reponse
la disposition qui permet d utiliser une moto de moins de 125cm3 avec le permis voiture a toujours été dérogatoire, et applicable uniquement sur le territoire national. Depuis le 1er janvier 2011, elle est assortie de nouvelles exigences (7 heures de formation OU attestation d assurance moto dans les 5ans précédent le décret de 2010) comme précisé dans l extrait du decret reproduit ci dessous. Respecter ces exigences permet de beneficier de la dérogation sur le territoire national, mais ne vaut toujours pas permis à l’étranger (pas meme en europe).
voilà le texte officiel: source legifrance: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000023081235&dateTexte=&categorieLien=idDécret n° 2010-1390 du 12 novembre 2010 [] article 4 L'article R. 221-8 est ainsi modifié : 1° Les II et III sont remplacés par les dispositions suivantes : « II. ― La catégorie B du permis de conduire autorise la conduite, sur le territoire national, d'une motocyclette légère à la double condition que le conducteur soit titulaire de cette catégorie de permis depuis au moins deux ans et qu'il ait suivi une formation pratique dispensée par un établissement ou une association agréés au titre de l'article L. 213-1 ou L. 213-7. « Toutefois, la condition relative à la formation pratique n'est pas exigée des conducteurs qui justifient d'une pratique de la conduite d'une motocyclette légère au cours des cinq années précédant le 1er janvier 2011. La preuve de cette pratique est apportée par la production d'un document délivré par l'assureur et attestant la souscription d'une assurance couvrant l'usage d'un tel véhicule au cours de la période considérée. « III. ― La catégorie B du permis de conduire autorise la conduite, sur le territoire national, d'un véhicule de la catégorie L5e à la double condition que le conducteur soit titulaire de cette catégorie de permis depuis au moins deux ans et qu'il ait suivi une formation pratique dispensée par un établissement ou une association agréés au titre de l'article L. 213-1 ou L. 213-7.
même avec une assurance en béton, il est plus que probable que la conduite sans permis annule les garanties et permette à l assurance de se dédouaner très simplement de toute obligation (ça doit faire partie des tous premiers trucs vérifiés lors du traitement d’un sinistre)
voilà le texte officiel: source legifrance: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000023081235&dateTexte=&categorieLien=idDécret n° 2010-1390 du 12 novembre 2010 [] article 4 L'article R. 221-8 est ainsi modifié : 1° Les II et III sont remplacés par les dispositions suivantes : « II. ― La catégorie B du permis de conduire autorise la conduite, sur le territoire national, d'une motocyclette légère à la double condition que le conducteur soit titulaire de cette catégorie de permis depuis au moins deux ans et qu'il ait suivi une formation pratique dispensée par un établissement ou une association agréés au titre de l'article L. 213-1 ou L. 213-7. « Toutefois, la condition relative à la formation pratique n'est pas exigée des conducteurs qui justifient d'une pratique de la conduite d'une motocyclette légère au cours des cinq années précédant le 1er janvier 2011. La preuve de cette pratique est apportée par la production d'un document délivré par l'assureur et attestant la souscription d'une assurance couvrant l'usage d'un tel véhicule au cours de la période considérée. « III. ― La catégorie B du permis de conduire autorise la conduite, sur le territoire national, d'un véhicule de la catégorie L5e à la double condition que le conducteur soit titulaire de cette catégorie de permis depuis au moins deux ans et qu'il ait suivi une formation pratique dispensée par un établissement ou une association agréés au titre de l'article L. 213-1 ou L. 213-7.
même avec une assurance en béton, il est plus que probable que la conduite sans permis annule les garanties et permette à l assurance de se dédouaner très simplement de toute obligation (ça doit faire partie des tous premiers trucs vérifiés lors du traitement d’un sinistre)
Je doute que les loueurs grecs connaissent la législation sur les permis dans tous les pays du monde ! Du moment qu'ils acceptent le permis, le véhicule est assuré.
Je doute que les loueurs grecs connaissent la législation sur les permis dans tous les pays du monde ! Du moment qu'ils acceptent le permis, le véhicule est assuré.
Il est probable que tu pourras partir avec le vehicule (en grece en tout cas, en Thailande par exemple, ce n est plus possible depuis 2018, les loueurs doivent verifier les permis suite à des contentieux avec des touristes accidentes sans permis valide, s'ils te laissent partir sans etre sur de leur coup, ils deviennent penalement et financierement condamnables, on peut penser que la plupart préféreront griller une petite loc plutot que de s exposer a des embrouilles)
Tant que tu n as pas d accident ou d embrouille, pas vu pas pris Mais comme je l ai deja dit, je doute qu'au cas ou tu demandes à l'assurance une intervention, ils oublient de verifier que tu sois en possession d'un permis en règle, faute de quoi cette simple clause leur permettra de clore le dossier sans te rembourser quoi que ce soit, et de se degager de toute responsabilite a ton egard.
Il est probable que tu pourras partir avec le vehicule (en grece en tout cas, en Thailande par exemple, ce n est plus possible depuis 2018, les loueurs doivent verifier les permis suite à des contentieux avec des touristes accidentes sans permis valide, s'ils te laissent partir sans etre sur de leur coup, ils deviennent penalement et financierement condamnables, on peut penser que la plupart préféreront griller une petite loc plutot que de s exposer a des embrouilles)
Tant que tu n as pas d accident ou d embrouille, pas vu pas pris Mais comme je l ai deja dit, je doute qu'au cas ou tu demandes à l'assurance une intervention, ils oublient de verifier que tu sois en possession d'un permis en règle, faute de quoi cette simple clause leur permettra de clore le dossier sans te rembourser quoi que ce soit, et de se degager de toute responsabilite a ton egard.
merci pour les explications détaillées.
en Thaïlande je le savais.... j y étais en janvier. mais pour la Grèce vu que c est un pays européen je préférais demander :)
en Thaïlande je le savais.... j y étais en janvier. mais pour la Grèce vu que c est un pays européen je préférais demander :)
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I’d love any tips! 😊 Thanks!
In France, we usually ride between 300 to 400 km per day on roadsters. We’re not used to off-road tracks, so we’re looking for easy ones 😅—especially for me 😅.
For Morocco, I’ve planned stages of 200 to 300 km per day. Here’s the idea: Day 1 (departure at noon): Marrakech - Tizi n Test - Tafingoult (165 km - 4h15) Day 2: Tafingoult - Amzarkou - Telouet (200 km - 4h34) Day 3: Telouet - Ait Benhaddou - Ouarzazate - Boumalne (200 km - 3h30) (+ Vallée des Roses maybe) Day 4: Boumalne - Dades Gorges - Agoudal - Todra Gorges - Tinghir - Goulmima (291 km - 6h) Day 5: Goulmima - Midelt - Cirque Jaffar - Agoudim (280 km - 4h45) Day 6: Agoudim - Imilchil - Aghbala - El Ksiba (280 km - 4h45) Day 7: El Ksiba - La Cathédrale - Zaouiat Ahansal (212 km - 4h20) Day 8: Ahansal - Ouzoud Waterfalls via R 302 (188 km - 4h22) Day 9: Ouzoud - Marrakech (160 km - 2h43) End of the trip 😮.
What do you think?
We haven’t booked any hotels—is that a problem? We were thinking of deciding day by day based on our progress.
Can we take our helmets with us in the cabin, or should we pack them in the checked luggage surrounded by clothes to avoid damage?
I’d love any tips! 😊 Thanks!
Hey there, fellow riders,
I’m really keen on a motorcycle trip to Morocco, specifically the Middle Atlas. Does anyone have any info or tips on this idea? Planning to go in September or October...
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Christine