Kumusta
Songeant à m' établir défénitivement aux Phils, d' ici 2-3 ou 4 ans, je m' y prépare ...J' y irai par amour pour une belle filipina.
Laquelle est mariée depuis + de 5 ans, séparée depuis 4 ans...
Est-il envisageable pour moi de tout simplement m' installer chez elle, y vivre en concubinage ?
Le concubinage, cad vivre du mariage est-il passé dans les moeurs, toléré dans ce pays farouchement catholique ?
Un européen ne passant guère inaperçu (là-bas), tout le quartier sera vite au courant....et j' imagine tous les cas de figure...
Les philippins sont charmants , certes, mais j' imagine la police , voire l' ancien mari, se manifestant pour avoir quelque bakchich, ou tentant de me saigner à blanc...mais je suis peut-être un peu paranoïaque ? ou peut-être pas ?
Ne vaudrait-il pas mieux songer à régulariser cette situation ?
OK, le divorce n' existe pas aux Phils, mais l' annulation (to nullify a wedding) est une possibilité....longue, fastidieuse, expensive....avant d' envisager d' épouse ma belle...
Que faire ?
Alors voilà, vos commentaires, conseils, expérience, vécu, connaissances, seront vraiment bienvenus.....
Salamat, et longue vie à VF !
Philippe
Je pourrais vous conseiller de suivre la tradition du pays dans le lequel vous voulez vivre avec votre douce....même si cette option est un peu plus honéreuse.
Que fait une personne d une autre nationalite qui veux s installer en france/en suisse ou autre pays ... elle devrais s adapter au lois et coutumes du pays qui pourrai l acceuillir. Peut etre que l integration se fait mieu si l on suit certaines rêgles...
effectivement si le mari veut t emmerder, il le pourrait en te prenant en flagrant delit d adultere et apres les meandres de la justice philippines, a moins que la femme ai fait une demande de separation pour maltraitance ou autre
j ai connu un francais qui avait reussi a envoyer sa femme en prison apres l avoir pris en flagrant delit d adultere , une procedure de plusieurs annees pas trop chere mais chi te et inutile puisqu il na jamais recupere l argent ou la maison qui avait ete mis au nom de sa femme et qui avait tout dilapide
pour le concubinage pas vraiment de probleme ca me semble assez courant surtout au bas de l echelle sociale
Dans un pays ou le divorce n'est pas légal, tu vas surement au devant d'ennuis.🤪
Si j'étais toi je redeviendrai célibataire; mais bon quand on est amoureux la raison disparaît😉
Pour moi, c'est RogerBarthas qui a donné la réponse la plus adéquate : changer d' île....
Le concubinage est parfaitement accepté dans le moeurs des Philippines.
Maintenant, pour une éventuelle action du mari :
Nous ne connaissons pas assez de détails.
Qui est responsable de la séparation? Pour quelle raison? La Dulcinée a-t'elle encore des contacts avec le mari? Habitent-ils le même patelin? Y-a-t'il un enfant dans l' histoire?
Tout cela modifie évidemment la perception qu' on peut avoir de l' histoire et le risques inhérents à un concubinage.
La plupart du temps la séparation a pour origine le frasques du mari, pas de l'épouse.
D' une manière générale, même si une action pour adultère est théoriquement chose possible, elle n'est pas utilisée aux Philippines.
Si le gars est un " bad man" comme me souffle Liberty à l' oreille, il pourrait essayer de tirer quelqu'argent de la situation, si une procédure d' " Annulment" est engagée, car il y sera forcément impliqué.
Si par contre le mari est parti un jour acheter des cigarettes et n'est jamais revenu, il y a très peu de risques.
Donc pour juger, il faut savoir où en sont les relations entre les deux ex-conjoints.
Par mesure préventive, où que vous vous installiez, entretenez les meilleures relations avec le " Barangay Captain", ce sera un allié très utile en cas de troubles dûs au mari.
De toute façon, s' installer loin de l'endroit où ils ont vécu ensemble et si possible loin de la famille et il ne devrait pas y avoir de souçi.
getehem et barthas ont fait une très bonne synthèse, j'ajoute de t'entourer d'un body guard et de ne pas vivre chez elle, tu ne dis pas de quelle région elle est originaire
Il n' y a pas de risque " physique".....on ne parle pas ici d' un mari cocu qui serait jaloux....il est parti il y a quatre ans, comme font beaucoup de Filipinos, et il a plus que probablement fondé une ou des nouveaux foyers ici et là.....
Le seul risque est qu' il essaye de monnayer son acceptation d' un " annulment"...s' il sait que sa femme a rencontré un étranger, et donc, dans la mentalité locale, un milliardaire.....
merci pour vos réponses. voici quelques précisions :
ils se sont mariés après qu' elle , Susan, soit tombée enceinte, comme cela advient fréquemment, et il est parti peu après la naissance de leur fils, pour aller vivre avec une autre femme, autre classique, à l' autre bout du pays ....
Il n' a jamais rien fait pour son fils Ian , mais les parents sont tjrs plus ou moins en contact. Ainsi, le père volage s' est manifesté récemment, pour enfin s' intéresser à son enfant et demander à ce que son fils vienne passer quelques jours chez lui ..Mais l' intéressé, Ian, a refusé.
Sinon, j' avais songé à entamer une procédure d' annulment, en faisant établir un certificat établissant officiellement que le mari est parti de longue date....sans songer à aller + loin , simplement en tant que prophylaxie à toute vélléité de me réclamer des sous....mais il semblerait que ce soit une très mauvaise idée
Tout le monde me conseille d' éviter la famille.....oui, bien sûr, mais pourtant j' aime bien ses parents et sa soeur, sans compter, bien sûr, son fils, pour qui je suis Dad from abroad...tout cela manque d' intimité, certes, Susan est la 1ère à le déplorer...
quand je leur ai rendu visite il y a 6 mois, à Parañaque (Metromanila), j' avais une chambre d' hotel nearby, et à présent, ayant hérité d' un lopin de terre à Davao, d' où la famille set originaire, Susan est en train d' y construire une maison....qui sera + grande que celle de Paranaque, où il y aura de la place pour moi, dit-elle....hum....je ne sais trop que penser....Quoiqu' il en soit, à présent j' y vais tous les hivers, pour 2 ou 3 mois, durant lesquels nous voyageons ds ce beau pays...
voila, voila...a nouveau, vos commentaires seront bienvenus
Rien à craindre donc d' un mari qui a choisi de prendre la clé des champs.
La famille, on peut l'apprécier, on peut même l' aimer, mais un éloignement géographique limitera les tentations multiples de demander l'aide du milliardaire de westerner pour toutes les difficultés de la vie courante.
Quand je dis famille, je ne vise pas le fils, bien entendu, et peut-être pas la soeur. Mais famille signife les 300 à 500 pesonnes qui vont subitement se souvenir qu' ils sont des cousins éloignés de la demoiselle, une fois qu' ils sauront qu'elle est avec un étranger.
Faire établir un certificat de carence du mari, oui, pourquoi pas? Ou faire acter par la police de son lieu de résidence qu' il vit en concubinage, de façon à avoir une monnaye d'échange....
UNe maison " plus grande" où il y aura de la place pour toi, oui, mais aussi de la place por la famille, je suppose?
Personnellement je vis avec une filipina mariée et séparée depuis plus de 10 ans, et il n'y a pas de problème en particulier. Bon, le mari est en Arabie Saoudite... mais c'est dans les moeurs ici, même entre locaux je connais bcp de femmes séparées qui ont des boyfriends. Comme le dit getehem, tout dépend de la situation personnelle. C'est clair que si le mari habitait dans le même barangay, je m'y risquerais pas ;)
D'ailleurs si quelqu'un connaît l'adresse et les tarifs d'un bon avocat pour un annulment, qu'il m'envoie un MP, car je compte bien l'épouser un jour.
salut les ptits loups!
pas tres encourageant tout ces problemes!j arrive le 3 decembre!héééééé ! oui!a la retraite! vivre au soleil avec une jolie philipinas! a samar!laoang! bah! je crois que je vais choisir le concubinage! moins de problemes! j ai donné !! avec une vietnamienne !10 ans de galere ! j ve pa recomencé! j aimerais bien avoir vos coordonnées ..francais de la bas ! je stationnerais a tacloban !avec ma douce!j y ai un bon pote ! jean...de bezier...qui connait !!mon email adresse. vietnam_39@ymail.com merci a tous...amitiées..regis.
Hi everyone, could someone help me out? I can’t find a solution because I need to get married in France with my partner, who is Cambodian. Her birth village refuses to provide a certificate of custom—they just won’t do it. I contacted the Cambodian embassy in France, and they told me that her village’s town hall should just give her a document stating they can’t issue it, signed and stamped. So, my partner went back and asked again in writing, but they still refused. At this point, I don’t know what to do, especially since my partner has to come to France in September to get married at the town hall, and they’re asking for the same thing. Can anyone help?
Best regards.
My husband and I have just gone through this stage of a Franco-Togolese marriage—he’s Togolese, and I’m French.
Given how complicated things can get with the administration, I thought I’d leave this post here. If you’d like advice or want to learn from our experience, don’t hesitate to ask...
Hi, it's Joyce—I’ve got a little issue. I’d like to know if you need a passport to start the CCAM process at the French Embassy in Yaoundé, or if it’s better to do it when registering the birth. Thanks!
Hello,
my Indian fiancé and I are getting married in France in a few weeks. Like many couples before us, we had extreme difficulties finding out the steps to follow in India to obtain the necessary documents for our marriage. We received no useful information from the Indian Embassy in Paris. It took us hours of research on traveler forums to gather scattered information and piece together the puzzle. I decided to summarize here the steps that allowed my fiancé to obtain the required papers, so other couples can struggle a little less than we did in the future.
I hope this post helps!
Context reminder: the list of documents required for a non-EU national to marry in France (see also www.service-public.fr):
Certificate of Custom: This is an explanation in French of the rules governing marriage eligibility in your country of origin. I read that some countries include proof that the applicant is indeed eligible. This is not the case for India.
Single-status certificate/marital capacity certificate. This is simply proof that you are eligible to marry under the laws of your country of origin.
Birth certificate.
All these documents must be less than 6 months old at the date of the banns publication.
The birth certificate and the single-status certificate must be apostilled. This procedure is linked to the international Hague Convention, of which both France and India are members. The apostille is a kind of stamp affixed to an official document by the authorities of the country where it was issued, giving it legal value in a third country.
How we obtained these documents:
The certificate of custom is very easy to obtain if you already live in France. You just need to go to the Indian Embassy in Paris with the required documents and pay the fees. We received it by mail the next day. The instructions on the Indian Embassy in Paris website are very clear (spring 2019). See also the VFS Global website (the company to which the embassy outsources consular activities).
Obtaining the single-status certificate was much more complicated. In France, a birth certificate is enough to prove whether you are married or not, as annotations are added for every major life event. In contrast, the Indian administration, although it can prove that someone is already married, is unable to prove that someone is still single. The only way to resolve this is to produce an affidavit. It took several trials and errors before we succeeded, as the administrators we dealt with generally did not know the procedure. Here’s what finally worked:
Prepare the affidavit on 100-rupee bond paper (first party: signatory; second party: Sub-Divisional Magistrate) at the Sub-Divisional Magistrate’s office in your place of birth. See Model No. 1 below. It must be signed by you and the Sub-Divisional Magistrate. For my fiancé, the latter only agreed to sign after presenting a certificate from the Tahsildar of his birth Taluk stating that he knew my fiancé was still single. If you don’t know the Tahsildar well, it might be useful to first request such a certificate from the "village accountant" before approaching the Tahsildar. We don’t know if the process would be the same in other districts than my fiancé’s.
Attestation at the Regional Commissioner’s (RC) office. The Ministry of External Affairs will only apostille documents that have been attested this way. In our case, we found clear information about the procedure on the Regional Commissioner’s website (required documents, cost, bond paper value). The RC asked us to justify why my fiancé needed a single-status certificate. Such certificates are usually requested by people wishing to join the army, in which case the RC receives a request letter. I asked the mayor of my village to sign such a letter (see Model No. 2, which I wrote myself). I come from a very small town, which was lucky here, as the mayor knows both of us personally and immediately agreed to do it. I have no idea if it would be as easy in a larger town. Once the document was submitted to the RC, it was sent back to the administrator who issued it for authentication. This back-and-forth should not take more than 25 days, but it may be useful to follow the progress of the procedure by calling or visiting the offices of both administrations regularly.
Send the attested documents to the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) for apostille. In 2019, the Indian MEA only accepts apostille requests through private operators, whose list is available on the MEA website.
The birth certificate, once obtained from the municipality of your place of birth, follows the same procedure as the single-status certificate: attestation by the Regional Commissioner, then apostille at the Ministry of External Affairs.
Note: The Indian Embassy in Paris offers to issue a birth certificate. We recommend NOT GOING THROUGH THEM. The procedure is expensive, and they simply copy the information available on your passport. We seriously doubt the validity of such a document for marriage.
A few tips:
Obtaining these documents in India will require a lot of time, patience, and creativity! For us, more than 4 months passed between the moment my fiancé signed his single-status certificate and the day we had it apostilled in hand. In the meantime, there were dozens of phone calls and visits to various local administrations, a lot of brainstorming, and money wasted on canceled flights due to the monsoon.
If you have contacts in the local administration, don’t hesitate to use them. Also, if possible, closely monitor the progress of the procedures by calling or visiting the offices regularly, as mistakes are very common.
I recommend only requesting the certificate of custom once you’re close to having the other documents in hand, as it’s expensive, its issuance is very quick (at least if you both live in France; otherwise, I don’t know), and it’s only valid for 6 months.
All the steps for the birth certificate and the single-status certificate must be done in person, which can be complicated if you already live outside India. Some companies offer to handle it for you if you’re willing to pay. My fiancé bypassed the problem by designating his brother as an "Authorised representative" (a step taken at the notary of his birth Taluk). Once the single-status certificate was established in person, my fiancé’s brother was able to take over and complete the rest of the steps on his behalf. Finally, we asked the service provider handling the apostille to send the documents to our address in France via DHL (we don’t trust the postal service, as we’ve had mail stuck at customs for several weeks before).
My fiancé first tried to establish his single-status certificate at the notary of his birth Taluk. It didn’t work because the Regional Commissioner categorically refused to attest it. Indeed, it is generally forbidden to make any modifications to a document signed by a notary.
Once the birth certificate and the single-status certificate arrive in France, you must have them translated by a sworn translator registered with the Court of Appeal in your area. You can find the list on your Court of Appeal’s website. There are no sworn translators for all Indian languages! So, check beforehand if one exists for the language in which your certificates will be issued, or ensure they are issued in English.
Model No. 1 - Single-status certificate, affidavit
I, (name of applicant), son of (name of father) and (name of mother), with permanent address (address in India), solemnly affirm and declare as follows:
1. That I am a citizen of India
2. That I was born in (place of birth) on the (date of birth)
3. That I am holding a valid Indian passport bearing the number (passport number) issued at (place of issue) and valid from (date of issue) to (date of expiry).
4. That I am unmarried (single) and have no living spouse at present either in India or abroad
5. That I am eligible to marry an Indian or a person of any other nationality according to law.
6. That I am of sound health and in mentally fit condition
7. I further state that whatever stated therein is correct to the best of my knowledge.
I am aware that suppression of facts or furnishing false/misleading information is punishable under Indian law, under section 193(2), 199, 200 of the Indian Penal Code.
Solemnly declared at (place of signature) on (date of signature).
(your signature) (the subdivisional magistrate’s signature)
Model No. 2 – Request letter from the French mayor to the Indian Regional Commissioner
Dear Sir/Madam,
(English version below)
I, the undersigned (Mayor’s name), Mayor of the Commune of xxx, department of xxx, France, certify as follows.
Firstly, that
Mr./Ms. (Name of the Indian future spouse), citizen of India, passport No. xxx, issued in xxx on xxx, valid until xxx, residing at (address), INDIA,
and
Ms./Mr. (Name of the French future spouse), citizen of France, passport No. xxx, residing at (address), FRANCE,
have requested that I solemnize their marriage in my Commune under French law.
Secondly,
that French law requires me to request from Mr./Ms. (Name of the Indian future spouse) a certificate attesting to their single status.
Issued for all legal purposes.
(Place, date, stamp, and signature of the mayor)
Note:
Prepared on the town hall’s letterhead, directly in both French AND English to avoid needing a translator.
Hi there, please could you tell me how to arrange a marriage interview at the embassy? My fiancé has already been interviewed. Thanks to anyone who can help me out!
hi everyone,
I’m new to this site. Here’s my issue: I just got married in Cameroon to my wife, and I’m waiting for our family record book. After that, I’m trying to figure out what I need to do to apply for her visa. But I’d like her to apply for visas for her children at the same time so they can come with her—is that possible?! Do we need to get passports for her children, or is just the visa application enough? They’re 8 and 15 years old. Thanks!
Otherwise, I’d have to apply for family reunification, but she’d have to stay in France for 18 months before she can apply for her children’s visas—that’s way too long!!!
If anyone can give me some advice or help with this complicated situation, I’d really appreciate it.
Thanks so much for your help.
Best regards,
Hi, the situation is complicated...
My son would like to marry his girlfriend (married to a Filipino in the Philippines but separated for 14 years), who is from the Philippines... but... what complicates things is that she lives in Switzerland illegally—her visa expired after a divorce from a Swiss national, and she received a deportation order in 2022 but never left.
Just to clarify, she’s been working in Switzerland for 10 years and pays Swiss taxes...
Recently, she reapplied for a work visa to request residency rights so she could marry my son, but they refused, and she’s already received an order to leave the country... What can we do? We don’t know who to turn to
I was interviewed at the town hall of my place of residence on March 7, 2025. My fiancée still hasn’t been interviewed by the consulate. The question is whether I need to schedule an appointment for her interview or wait for the consulate to call. Thanks for your reply
Hi everyone, I need some help, please. My partner wants to send our CCAM file to the embassy in Yaoundé from France. We’re wondering if, with the pandemic, the file will even arrive and how long it’ll take. Would it be better to send it directly to the address in Cameroon? We’d planned to drop it off in March but couldn’t, and my interview is next month (even though I know it’ll probably be postponed). I’d really like the file to be in their hands before my interview date. Please help—what should I do?
Please, I need your expert advice.
I’m Cameroonian, married to a Frenchman of Cameroonian origin.
My husband just received a message saying our marriage certificate has been properly transcribed and that copies will be sent to his local town hall via diplomatic pouch.
I’d like to know the details of what comes next so I can apply for my long-stay visa.
Also, I’m about to get a passport—can I use my ID that still has my maiden name, or do I have to get a new ID with my married name before applying for a passport?
Basically, will getting a passport with my maiden name now cause problems later in the process? I really don’t want to deal with the hassle of getting a new ID right now.
Our best friend, who is Moroccan/French, wants to marry an Algerian woman. They’ve already met, and the first steps have been taken.
It seems like getting married under these circumstances is really complicated—has anyone been in a similar situation and could share some advice on the administrative side or the steps to take?
