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Sur certaines cartes il apparaît que la piste Taouz-Tagounite passe parfois en Algérie. Qu'en est-il exactement ?
Merci à ceux qui nous donneront des infos.
Gene.
Geneviève et Gérard Cremon
Piste Taouz-Tagounit (Maroc): passe-t-elle parfois en Algérie?
by Genecremon
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Non, la piste Taouz /H.Ouzina/H.Remlia/Tagounite est toujours au Maroc, sauf si tu piques trop cap 180, mais là tu ne seras plus sur la bonne piste
Effectivement, le tracé de la frontière sur certaines cartes est faux (cf la Michelin 959)
Passage de l'oued Rhéris à Hassi Remlia un peu laborieux selon les années
Effectivement, le tracé de la frontière sur certaines cartes est faux (cf la Michelin 959)
Passage de l'oued Rhéris à Hassi Remlia un peu laborieux selon les années
Merci pour l'info.
Pourrions-nous en savoir plus sur cette piste, puisque tu sembles bien la connaître ? Repères importants, par exemple... (nous sommes plutôt anti GPS et pro boussole)
Merci.
Gene et Gérard 🙂🙂
Geneviève et Gérard Cremon
Le Sahara se vit pleinement en Algérie pour les passionnés !
Bon voyage !
LILI
Bon voyage !
LILI
Il n'y a personne qui soit née sous une mauvaise étoile, il n'y a que des gens qui ne savent pas lire le ciel. (Dalaï Lama)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
Taouz : fin du goudron, laisser le village sur la droite pour prendre la piste . Ne pas trop piquer sur les traces à G, mais rester sur la PP
Premier passage un peu mou : Hassi Ouzina . Il y a quelques habitants au petit village, si besoin demander la sortie
Piste un peu caillouteuse mais bien tracée entre H.Ouzina et : Hassi Remlia : c'est à la sortie d'Hassi Remlia (petit village avec un peu de ravitaillement bouffe, et carbu en fût ) que se traverse l'oued Rhéris ensablé sur 3 à 5 km selon les années (l'aborder en courtes 2e/3e, c'est mieux, et ne pas mollir sur l'accélérateur dans le mou), et ne pas prendre les traces qui remontent trop vers le N lorsqu'on est dans l'oued Après Remlia, quelques "auberges" le long de la piste
Suivre la PP, parfois quelques passages mous, mais pas grave pour un 4x4
Arriver aux abord d'un petit village Tafraout, pas trop visible de la piste, tout en longueur sur une piste qui part à D, à ne pas prendre
Quelques km après Tafraout, passage à un petit fort pour contrôle, avec puits pour animaux des nomades du coin au dessous du fort Là, prendre piste vers la G, pas sur la D (demander aux militaires si doute)
Ensuite, un peu de navigation sur une partie un peu "saharienne", avec large piste sur un reg, que je prend au cap, en restant tj sur les traces de G (sinon on prend les traces qui se dirigent vers Houm Jrane et Tissemoumine, pas grave, mais on se dirige alors vers Zagora par le Tizi'n Taffilalet )
Passage par un autre puits avec quelques rares habitations
Croisement d'une belle piste qui arrive de la D à 90 ° et qui continue même cap sur la gauche, vers Taouz (et l'Algérie ). Là, continuer tout droit sur un piste bien tracée mais plus étroite, en coupant la belle piste
Puis piste caillouteuse passant par un petit tizi avec anciennes casemates abandonnée de l'armée, puis descente vers la vallée du Draa, avec la grande palmeraie le long de l'oued Draa visible de loin . La piste monte le Tizi sur son flanc, puis redescend en direction de Tagounite On suit sur une belle piste (belle si elle vient d'être nivelée, sinon au mieux : tôle, au pire :trous et saignées)
On passe ensuite un village étiré le long de la piste, puis à un autre petit village, quitter la piste sur laquelle on roule pour piquer à droite vers la palmeraie du Draa pas loin
Et là, grand jeu de pistes pour la traversée de cette palmeraie sur plusieurs kms, pour enfin arriver à Tagounite
Voilà, sans WP aucun, puisque vous vous dites allergique au gps
Selon votre habitude des pistes, c'est mieux de trouver un "connaisseur" pour ne pas trop tourner en rond . Faites un bon plein avant d'attaquer la piste à Taouz, ça peut être utile si un peu de jardinage se présente.
Compter 2 jours pour faire ce trajet, tranquille, sans se presser et sans se perdre, en gros 300 km entre Merzouge et Tagounite
ça peut se faire dans la journée si on connaît, et si on part tôt le matin de Taouz
PS :Je parcours cette piste tout seul, mais je la connais bien, je la parcours régulièrement depuis 10 ans . Sans préjuger de votre expérience, si on me demande, je ne la recommande pas pour un seul véhicule novice
Bonne ballade, le parcours est beau et varié
Premier passage un peu mou : Hassi Ouzina . Il y a quelques habitants au petit village, si besoin demander la sortie
Piste un peu caillouteuse mais bien tracée entre H.Ouzina et : Hassi Remlia : c'est à la sortie d'Hassi Remlia (petit village avec un peu de ravitaillement bouffe, et carbu en fût ) que se traverse l'oued Rhéris ensablé sur 3 à 5 km selon les années (l'aborder en courtes 2e/3e, c'est mieux, et ne pas mollir sur l'accélérateur dans le mou), et ne pas prendre les traces qui remontent trop vers le N lorsqu'on est dans l'oued Après Remlia, quelques "auberges" le long de la piste
Suivre la PP, parfois quelques passages mous, mais pas grave pour un 4x4
Arriver aux abord d'un petit village Tafraout, pas trop visible de la piste, tout en longueur sur une piste qui part à D, à ne pas prendre
Quelques km après Tafraout, passage à un petit fort pour contrôle, avec puits pour animaux des nomades du coin au dessous du fort Là, prendre piste vers la G, pas sur la D (demander aux militaires si doute)
Ensuite, un peu de navigation sur une partie un peu "saharienne", avec large piste sur un reg, que je prend au cap, en restant tj sur les traces de G (sinon on prend les traces qui se dirigent vers Houm Jrane et Tissemoumine, pas grave, mais on se dirige alors vers Zagora par le Tizi'n Taffilalet )
Passage par un autre puits avec quelques rares habitations
Croisement d'une belle piste qui arrive de la D à 90 ° et qui continue même cap sur la gauche, vers Taouz (et l'Algérie ). Là, continuer tout droit sur un piste bien tracée mais plus étroite, en coupant la belle piste
Puis piste caillouteuse passant par un petit tizi avec anciennes casemates abandonnée de l'armée, puis descente vers la vallée du Draa, avec la grande palmeraie le long de l'oued Draa visible de loin . La piste monte le Tizi sur son flanc, puis redescend en direction de Tagounite On suit sur une belle piste (belle si elle vient d'être nivelée, sinon au mieux : tôle, au pire :trous et saignées)
On passe ensuite un village étiré le long de la piste, puis à un autre petit village, quitter la piste sur laquelle on roule pour piquer à droite vers la palmeraie du Draa pas loin
Et là, grand jeu de pistes pour la traversée de cette palmeraie sur plusieurs kms, pour enfin arriver à Tagounite
Voilà, sans WP aucun, puisque vous vous dites allergique au gps
Selon votre habitude des pistes, c'est mieux de trouver un "connaisseur" pour ne pas trop tourner en rond . Faites un bon plein avant d'attaquer la piste à Taouz, ça peut être utile si un peu de jardinage se présente.
Compter 2 jours pour faire ce trajet, tranquille, sans se presser et sans se perdre, en gros 300 km entre Merzouge et Tagounite
ça peut se faire dans la journée si on connaît, et si on part tôt le matin de Taouz
PS :Je parcours cette piste tout seul, mais je la connais bien, je la parcours régulièrement depuis 10 ans . Sans préjuger de votre expérience, si on me demande, je ne la recommande pas pour un seul véhicule novice
Bonne ballade, le parcours est beau et varié
Mais le chaperon (souvent un chamelier/guide qui connait parfaitement le Sahara) permet d'éviter de retrouver des cadavres désséchées par le soleil, après s'être perdues dans les dunes ou disparues dans les "felkhikh" ! Même sur certaines pistes dont les traces ont été effacées par les vents de sable....
LILI
LILI
Il n'y a personne qui soit née sous une mauvaise étoile, il n'y a que des gens qui ne savent pas lire le ciel. (Dalaï Lama)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
Malheureusement, le temps est loin où le Sahara algérien était un lieu de liberté, où on pouvait emprunter les pistes que l'on désirait, sans chaperon d'aucune sorte
Bonjour, Entièrement d'accord.........🙁
Bonjour, Entièrement d'accord.........🙁
Il n'y a que les montagnes qui ne se rencontrent pas.
et le seul guide que l on esperait voir c etait celui çi 😉 un bon vieux poteau
vaut mieux un grain de sable dans la chaussure que dans la capote (Mr COLUCHE
mondial 45 la on a gagnè (nous avions deux goals)
Bonjour,
Sur les pistes de TAM et du Tanezrouf, c'étaient des rails. Certains étaient tombés, mais c'était pas grave, on avait le cap.....A Bennis Abbès, un vieux Chambi m'a dit un jour que ça venait d'un stock non utilisé destiné au projet du train Algérie / Niger.......Nostalgie.........🙁.
En ce temps là ( comme disait ma grand-mère ), le guide c'était nous.........
Il n'y a que les montagnes qui ne se rencontrent pas.
oui nostalgie les poteaux etaient avant le niger et...en 80😉
vaut mieux un grain de sable dans la chaussure que dans la capote (Mr COLUCHE
mondial 45 la on a gagnè (nous avions deux goals)
Pour moi, en 75, juste aprés avoir suivi " la marche verte ".........Nostalgie.......
Il n'y a que les montagnes qui ne se rencontrent pas.
salut
"Sur les pistes de TAM et du Tanezrouf, c'étaient des rails"
Sur la partie Reggane / Km 200 / Poste Weygand / Bidon v, j'ai connu une année les balises solaires avec accus .
ça a duré guère plus d'un an : les batteries étaient "récupérées " par les camionneurs allant sur BBM, et on en est revenu à la méthode classique du cap ....
"En ce temps là ( comme disait ma grand-mère ), le guide c'était nous......... "
Évidemment !! ta grand'mère a raison . Des guides, j'en ai quand même utilisé 2 fois (sur une trentaine de voyages sahariens) : une fois, par obligation pour entrer dans le Tassili Nadjer, au dessus de Djanet. Un seconde fois, en ramenant un touareg de Djanet à Tam, qui m'a fait passé par l'erg d'Admer, histoire de varier les plaisirs, en utilisant sur la fin les pistes un peu craignos à l'époque le long de la frontière lybienne (même l'armée algérienne ne s'y aventurait pas beaucoup )
Et oui, le bon temps quoi.....
"Sur les pistes de TAM et du Tanezrouf, c'étaient des rails"
Sur la partie Reggane / Km 200 / Poste Weygand / Bidon v, j'ai connu une année les balises solaires avec accus .
ça a duré guère plus d'un an : les batteries étaient "récupérées " par les camionneurs allant sur BBM, et on en est revenu à la méthode classique du cap ....
"En ce temps là ( comme disait ma grand-mère ), le guide c'était nous......... "
Évidemment !! ta grand'mère a raison . Des guides, j'en ai quand même utilisé 2 fois (sur une trentaine de voyages sahariens) : une fois, par obligation pour entrer dans le Tassili Nadjer, au dessus de Djanet. Un seconde fois, en ramenant un touareg de Djanet à Tam, qui m'a fait passé par l'erg d'Admer, histoire de varier les plaisirs, en utilisant sur la fin les pistes un peu craignos à l'époque le long de la frontière lybienne (même l'armée algérienne ne s'y aventurait pas beaucoup )
Et oui, le bon temps quoi.....
Bonsoir,
Sur les pistes de TAM et du Tanezrouf, c'étaient des rails.
Ah bon, par le Tanezrouf, j'ai plutôt le souvenir (un peu lointain) de lampadaires avec panneaux solaires qui ne s'allumaient plus, les batteries ayant fait le bonheur de quelques camionneurs ou nomades de passage ... Est-ce que je me trompe ?
JPB 😎😎
Sur les pistes de TAM et du Tanezrouf, c'étaient des rails.
Ah bon, par le Tanezrouf, j'ai plutôt le souvenir (un peu lointain) de lampadaires avec panneaux solaires qui ne s'allumaient plus, les batteries ayant fait le bonheur de quelques camionneurs ou nomades de passage ... Est-ce que je me trompe ?
JPB 😎😎
Bonsoir,
Désolé, nos réponses se sont télescopées à quelques minutes ...
JPB 😎
JPB 😎
Bonjour,
Réponse collégiale......Mais au fait, reste t'il des rails en place ? Peut etre que quelqu'un à la réponse........Pour ma part, je n'y retournerais qu'a la condition de pouvoir y circuler en toute indépendance....Vu la conjoncture, je pense que ce sera dans une autre vie.....
Il n'y a que les montagnes qui ne se rencontrent pas.
slt, reste optimiste, Il n'y a que les montagnes qui ne se rencontrent pas.
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- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
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- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
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I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Thanks in advance for your help....
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We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April. What do you think of this rate? This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Thanks
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available? -Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)? -Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
Marie
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available? -Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)? -Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
Marie
Hi there!
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?) - What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!) - In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid? - Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country? - A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
Thanks so much for your advice!
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?) - What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!) - In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid? - Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country? - A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
Thanks so much for your advice!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you: - Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why? - Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies. - Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car? - Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years. Have a great evening, Roberto
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you: - Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why? - Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies. - Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car? - Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years. Have a great evening, Roberto
hi, I just wanted to know the exchange rate for euros in Tunisia, thanks
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
Hi there,
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili? If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them. I didn’t find any info on the forum. Best,
Fouzi
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili? If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them. I didn’t find any info on the forum. Best,
Fouzi
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hi everyone,
We're leaving in early October 2026 and planning to travel from the Aït Bougmez Valley ("Happy Valley") to Skoura/Ouarzazate via Demnate and the R307/N23 route.
Has anyone taken this road recently? Is it passable with a regular car (non-4x4), or is a 4x4 absolutely necessary? Are there any ongoing construction projects or degraded sections to be aware of?
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there, 🙂
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities. Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Thanks
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities. Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Thanks
Based on your experiences, do you have a professional to recommend?
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency. If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling. We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback! Safe travels to all, Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency. If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling. We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback! Safe travels to all, Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi, I'm looking for a taxi from Dakhla airport to downtown Dakhla.
If you know a contact ?????
Hi there,
I’m looking for info about driving a vehicle in Tunisia.
Is it complicated?
Do I need an international driver’s permit?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Any recommendations?
Have a great day
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Any recommendations?
Have a great day
It's all in the title.
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance