nous sommes trois jeunes voyageurs qui avons choisi de partir en Inde cet été et notamment faire un trek dans l'Himalaya indien (4-5 jours entre 3500 et 5000 mètres), étant donné le défi, nous pensions faire une première excursion en altitude de quelques jours, pour s'acclimater à la marche en altitude, d'où le choix de Saint Véran dans les hautes Alpes qui est le plus haut village de France (2042m) .
C'est pourquoi nous aimerions connaitre des circuits sympa d'une journée pas plus, qui permettent de partir de Saint Véran et de monter encore un peu en altitude pour être proche des 2500 mètres ( ce qui serait un vrai test pour voir si nous ne sommes pas trop touchés par le mal de l'altitude).
merci à vous pour vos contributions.
🙂
3 jeunes en partance pour l'Inde
"En donnant une signification élevée à ce qui est commun, un aspect mystérieux à ce qui est banal, la dignité de l'inconnu à ce qui est connu, un halo d'infini à ce qui est fini , je romantise " Novalis
Désolée de vous décevoir, mais à 2500 m vous ne testerez pas votre risque de mal à l'altitude (sauf à y être très très sensible ! 😕)... il faut grimper au-dessus de 3000 m pour commencer à parler de réelle "altitude"...
Bon, mais une séance d'entraînement dans le Queyras, c'est pas si pire quand même ! 😎
De St Véran, vous pouvez monter via le col de Chamoussière (2884 m) au refuge Agnel (2580 m), puis tenter une grimpette d'un des sommets supérieurs à 3000 m des alentours : Pain de Sucre (3208 m ! pierrier délité !!), Pic d'Asti (3220 m), Pic de Caramantran (3021 m)...
Redescendre par les lacs Foréant et Egorgéou sur Ristolas et Abriès (prévoir un transport pour revenir vers St-Véran) est assurément magnifique...
Sinon, plus au sud, toujours au départ de St-Véran, du côté du col Fromage (2301 m) jusqu'à la pointe de Rasis (2844 m)... bref, un magnifique terrain de jeu s'offre à vous ! 😎😎
Attention, si vous n'avez jamais ou que peu fait de rando avant, quelques conseils :
1. équipez-vous correctement.
2. ne sur-estimez pas vos capacité, en terme de dénivelée, de difficulté technique et de temps de marche.
3. informez-vous de la météo, du parcours (topo-guide, carte détaillée...) et ne prenez aucun risque : la montagne est dangereuse !.. et mieux, contactez le bureau des guides de la vallée pour vous faire accompagner d'un guide, c'est plus prudent.
bons treks... ici et ailleurs 😉
"Nous méritons toutes nos rencontres ; elles sont accordées à notre destin, et ont une signification qu'il nous appartient de déchiffrer." Mauriac
génial merci de votre aide, c'est super, tout ça !!
par contre je ne sais pas, mais moi j'ai souvent lu que c'était à 2500 mètres, que l'on fabriquait plus de globule et qu'on avait un taux d'hématocrite plus élevé.... i don't know😮
merci encore
"En donnant une signification élevée à ce qui est commun, un aspect mystérieux à ce qui est banal, la dignité de l'inconnu à ce qui est connu, un halo d'infini à ce qui est fini , je romantise " Novalis
Salut,
ne confonds pas une altitude favorable à l'acclimatation (2500m est effectivement bien pour commencer à s'acclimater), et l'altitude où le mal d'altitude apparait. Ce n'est pas du tout pareil. Et, il est généralement admis que le mal d'altitude commence à apparaitre à partir de 3500m mais cela dépend aussi des personnes.
Pour t'acclimater tu dois choisir une altitude à laquelle ton corps va pouvoir augmenter ses globules rouges mais en même temps supporter cette altitude le temps que l'acclimatation soit réalisée. Le mal d'alttitude appraît qd le corps n'est plus capable de s'acclimater et que des liquides passent du sang vers les organes (poumons et cerveau notamment). Tu comprends donc que les altitudes sont différentes selon que tu parles d'altitude pour s'acclimater ou d'altitude provoquant le mal aigu des montagnes.
Il est globalment admis que au dessus de 3500m/4000m, tu ne dois pas monter de plus de 1000m d'altitude par jour. Et plus tu montes, plus tu vas devoir réaliser des paliers ! Mais bon, tout cela ton guide le gérera si tu montes haut en altitude.
Bye. Christophe
😛 et bien voilà, je n'ai pas grand chose à ajouter, tu as été très clair dans ton explication ! Merci Christophe. 🙂 Et quand viendras-tu les découvrir ces sommets alpins ? 😛😏
Donc, Hammet58, n'hésitez pas à passer au moins 1 semaine à St Véran en grimpant tous les jours sur les cols et sommets des alentours ; c'est un excellent entraînement et une phase d'acclimatation intéressante (= EPO naturelle effectivement)... mais on en perd les bénéfices dans les 10 jours qui suivent, ne rêvez pas.
Mais à moins d'être un bon alpiniste, il n'y a pas en Europe de places où monter à plus de 3500 m pour "tester" notre résistance au mal d'altitude...
Sur place (en Himalaya), appliquez bien l'ensemble des conseils fournis pour limiter les risques de MAM* : arriver en forme, marcher calmement, ... boire beaucoup, s'alimenter correctement mais pas trop, ... se procurer éventuellement les médicaments adaptés (voir les très nombreuses discussions de la rubrique "santé" à ce sujet)
* Mal Aigu des Montagnes
"Nous méritons toutes nos rencontres ; elles sont accordées à notre destin, et ont une signification qu'il nous appartient de déchiffrer." Mauriac
si vraiment vous étiez touché par le mal d'altitude, il n'y a qu'une seule chose raisonnable à faire : s'arrêter et redescendre en altitude, se reposer.
Les nuits sont importantes dans le cadre d'une acclimatation à l'altitude (une bonne nuit de sommeil = une bonne acclimatation), donc couchez à vos heures habituelles, ne veillez pas trop tard (notamment lorsque vous franchissez un gros dénivelé positif dans la journée).
... donc couchez à vos heures habituelles, ne veillez pas trop tard ...
Attention, avec la jeunesse les "heures habituelles" et "pas trop tard" sont toutes relatives !!
Je dirais plutôt : couchez vous tôt ! 😛... avant d'avoir vraiment sommeil... quand le guide vous le suggérera... écoutez votre fatigue...
😛 je vois ce que tu veux dire... comment vont ses abdos et fessiers ce matin ? 😏😏
"Nous méritons toutes nos rencontres ; elles sont accordées à notre destin, et ont une signification qu'il nous appartient de déchiffrer." Mauriac
ah ah,
elle avait pas l'air trop fatiguée .. au contraire elle était même contente de s'être bien dépensée !!! c cool 😏
En ce moment c'est plutôt moi qui flémarde : ça fait une bonne demi heure que je devrais être à la piscine pour palmer une petite heure ... et la motivation ne vient pas 😕. Je vais d'ailleurs pas tarder à y aller, et on verra en chemin !!!
on ira sans doute au ciné ce soir, on t'appelle.
à +
nous sommes des jeunes mais pas forcément des écervellés qui n'en font qu'à leur tête. 😇
merci à tous les deux pour ces conseils venant me semble t-il de pros.
moi je ne le suis pas du tout mais on verra bien ds l'himalaya. ce n'est qu'une petite partie de notrevoyage d'un mois et demi en Inde
quant aux effets du sport en haute altitude (je dois être bizarre), il dure beaucoup plus longtemps chez moi, car pour pratiquer le vélo enmontagne durant les vacances, quand je reviens ds mon département, relativement plat, je casse la baraque ds les courses cycliste et je sens les effets de l'entrainement en altitude pendant au moins 3 semaines (c'est ptètre un effet placebo je ne sais pas ).
"En donnant une signification élevée à ce qui est commun, un aspect mystérieux à ce qui est banal, la dignité de l'inconnu à ce qui est connu, un halo d'infini à ce qui est fini , je romantise " Novalis
Salut,
non, nous ne sommes pas des pros, justes des passionnés tout comme toi.
Sinon, il ya bcp de controverses sur la durée des effets en altitude et rien de prouvé scientifiquement. Certains disent 10 jours, et d'autres vont jusqu'à 1 mois et demi.
Tout comme toi, je vais très souvent en montagne et y pratique de nombreuses activités physiques. Il me semble à moi aussi que les effets sont bcp plus longs. Mais cela peut aussi venir du fait que grâce à l'acclimatation, qd on redescend au niveau mer, on a une capacité à s'entrainer à un niveau bien plus élevé que d'habitude, et donc on ne fait qu'entretenir cette capacité en soutenant des charges de travail plus importante que ce que l'on aurait pu faire si on n'avait pas été en altitude.
Voilà, bon trek dans l'himalaya
christophe
c'est vrai que quand tu te traines en vélo à 30-35km/h en plaine, tufais un séjour en montagnbe, et quand tu reviens, tu roules à40 km/h sans forcer (EPO naturel😎).
merci pour tous tes conseils
bonne route à toi aussi🙂
"En donnant une signification élevée à ce qui est commun, un aspect mystérieux à ce qui est banal, la dignité de l'inconnu à ce qui est connu, un halo d'infini à ce qui est fini , je romantise " Novalis
Hi everyone,
I’m leaving on Monday, August 3rd for my very first long-distance trek: the GR223 from Coutances to Mont Saint-Michel, over 6-7 days (~11-14 miles/day), solo.
I’m looking for tips from people who know this section well (Coutances → Regnéville-sur-Mer → Hauteville-sur-Mer → Bréhal → Granville → Genêts → bay crossing):
Budget-friendly accommodations: I’m struggling to find affordable stopover lodgings (a lot of what I find online are expensive vacation rentals, not really suited for a solo hiker). If you have any great spots (hostels, hiker-friendly B&Bs, nice campgrounds), I’d love to hear them!
Bay crossing: Any feedback on guides/providers leaving from Genêts for the final crossing?
General tips for a first long-distance trek: What you wish you’d known before your first time, pitfalls to avoid, etc.
Hi,
We’re planning to do the 4-day trek from Mestia to Ushguli without an agency. The descriptions mention that there are accommodations at each stop, but we can’t find any details about them. Has anyone got info or feedback on this route?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
New to this forum, I’m planning a pretty big project for 2028.
I’m heading to Nepal to do a trek from Kathmandu all the way to Everest Base Camp (a cool 5,300 m 😄).
This trek is a bit special because even though I’ll be part of a group, I’m going solo (so far, no problem—I’m used to it). But it’s my first real trek, and it’s also a humanitarian one: once I reach base camp, I’ll stay an extra week to help clean up the waste left by tens of thousands of climbers! Since I’m originally from South America, from two countries that share the Andes, I have a deep respect for mountains—they fascinate me. So Everest… it’s kind of the trip of a lifetime!
So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
We're planning to trek in Peru and Bolivia and would love to find some local agencies.
If you know any, could you share details on prices and, of course, the names of the agencies?
Which trek would you recommend?
Elocine
I'm heading out on a fully self-sufficient trek in Morocco (10 days) from Imilchil to Aghbalou.
Can I find screw-on gas canisters (Coleman, Primus) in Marrakech (any addresses?) or in villages between Imilchil and Aghbalou?
If not, are Butagaz canisters for camping gas (small 230g size) available?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello, I’d like to embark on a little trip in my home country, Switzerland. I’ll start walking from La Cure, heading toward Le Noirmont first, then I’ll improvise my route—but it’ll probably follow the French border... at least as far as Lac de Joux.
I’ll decide day by day how much farther to go after that. My goal is to stay in nature as much as possible, wander around for as long as I can, and restock food in villages or towns along the way.
I’m thinking of mostly camping, but we’ll see if I end up in a hotel or another campsite depending on my route.
I’d love to reach La Chaux-de-Fonds on foot... maybe even Delémont.
The whole thing should take about a week, give or take.
I’ll be bringing my dog, and I’m preparing for this as soon as I’m ready.
Any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly for us? Things I should know—or avoid? What about shepherds with their flocks of sheep? And isn’t hunting season open right now?
I’m not sure if what I’m planning is even doable, which is why I’m asking around.
This’ll be my first time doing something like this—wandering in nature *and* with a dog. I’m really excited for this adventure... and I need it. Thanks!
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries!
Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike.
It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge.
I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle.
In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details:
We arrive in early August and leave in early September.
We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery!
We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat?
Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations.
Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July.
I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route.
Can anyone give me some info on this?
Thanks!
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there?
A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions?
For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip...
Thanks for your tips!
Have a great day,
Anie, Toulouse
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice?
Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish.
I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips?
Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina?
At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands.
Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili.
Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?)
There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4.
If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit.
if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?