de Béni-Mellal à Marrakech, je voudrais prendre la route qui passe par Bin-El Ouidane, Azizal, Demnate .... savez-vous comment cet itinéraire est desservi (ou pas) par des compagnies de bus ?
ou bien ne dois-je compter que sur les grands taxis ect ....
Il y a au moins un bus qui va de Marrakech à Azilal en passant par Demnate. Mais je ne peux pas te dire s'il va jusqu'à Bin El Ouidane, ni Beni Mellal... 🤪
Mais je suppose que dans le pire des cas, tu trouveras des grands taxis à Azilal pour rejoindre Ben el ouidane, puis Beni Mellal.
Chouette de coin, en tout cas.
J'avais bien aimé Demnate, par son côté aux antipodes des zones touristiques.
J'avais rejoint Iminifri par la vallée. Balade sympa !
Connais-tu la route qui va de Demnate à Skoura ? Superbe !
cette fois ci, début octobre, nous arrivons à Béni Mellal en venant de Rabat, et je trouvais plus sympa d'essayer d'éviter la N6 pour rejoindre Marrakech.
comme on voulait aller sur le lac de Bin el ouidane, ce sera pas bien compliqué d'aller à Azizal prendre le bus. merci de l'info. j'ai regardé sur les sites CTM et oncf, mais rien vu. je sais qu'il y a beaucoup de petites compagnies de bus, donc ...
on a 3-4 jours pour faire la distance. ça devrait "le faire" je pense. si tu as des idées de points de chute sympa, d'endrots à voire, je suis preneuse, je ne connais pas du tout ce coin
A Demnate, je suis allée à l'hôtel Atlas, juste derrière la gare routière, sans charme mais très propre, et literie très bien. Personnel sympa. Salle pour le petit déjeuner pas top (sombre). Petit déjeuner et repas correct.
De mémoire, la chambre avec petit déj, c'était 100 ou 120 dh pour 1 pers (très propre, avec douche et toilette privées). Il vaut mieux réserver (c'était complet, avec des Marocains de passage). Il y a des chambres avec fenêtre, et d'autres sans.
Sinon, rien de terrible au niveau repas à Demnate.
Rien de particulier à voir à Demnate. J'ai quand même souvenir de ma balade dans le souk. J'étais regardée bizarrement, comme une étrangeté (seule touriste au bled !) 🙂. Quelques voitures immatriculées en Espagne : des MRE, m'a-t-on dit.
A Iminifri (pont naturel, à 6 km de Demnate), il y a une auberge très agréable : charmante, et environnement super, calme et très verdoyant. Grand jardin à l'arrière de l'hôtel où viennent les Marocains du coin, pour se détendre en famille. Bon... le prix n'est pas du tout le même !
http://www.riad-iminifri.com/tarif.php
Entre Demnate et Iminifri, il y a des fourgons qui passent assez très régulièrement. Sinon, se balader dans la vallée entre les 2, c'est pas mal aussi !
Beni Mellal, Bin el ouidane, désolée, je ne connais pas du tout 🤪
pourquoi aller jusqu'à beni mellal , la route pas terrible, vas donc jusqu'à Azilal , ensuite plusieurs grands taxi jusqu'aux aît Bougmez et descente jusqu'à Iminifi - Demnate par la route - (un peu de piste) qui descend direct à Iminifri, c'est superbe et ça vaut largement Ben el ouidane . L'hôtel dont parle Ehline à iminifri j'ai payé la demi pension 25€ l'année dernière et c'est vraiment bien (hôtel riad aghbalou).
je voulais justement te demander ton avis. les ait bougmez .....
je descends à Beni mellal parce qu'on arrivera de Rabat avec la copine. ensuite je me suis dit qu'on pourrait passer qq jours dans ce coin là (la photo)
on aurait 3 jours plein + 1/2 journée
ça donnerait
ben el ouidane, ouaouizarhrt, la cathédrale, zaouia Ahensal, agouti, achaouikh, iminfri, demnate, la route 302 en gros. ensuite retour à Marrakech (après la copine repart à paris et moi je descends sur l’Afrique de l'ouest)
je suis en transport local, comme d'hab..
qu'en penses-tu ? la photo : option 1 ou option 2 selon l'état des routes, les transports possibles. en fait de l'impro.
Bonjour
Ton circuit par Bin el ouidane /La cathédrale /Zouia Ahensal/Demnante est très très sympa absolument à faire si tu ne connais pas .
c est un circuit que j ai déjà fait plusieurs fois (la cathédrale et vallée des .ait bougmez en particulier )par contre la partie (piste ) du col n illisi est assez difficile à faire selon la saison (2600m ) et peut etre pas évident de trouver des transports locaux facilement au départ de bin el ouidane pour effectuer ce circuit ..(taxi locaux ou fourgons seulement ).
J.Th.
ce sera aux environs du 10 octobre .... on improvisera selon ce que l'on trouvera comme transport (les taxis loxaux et autres camionnettes me vont très bien 😉)
des hébergements sur ce parcours ? j'ai noté celui donnée par hannah à Iminfri sinon ?
Bonjour
Il y a un gite sympa aux pieds de la cathédrale où tu auras des infos fiables sur la piste et ils te trouveront un moyen de transport ..regarde cette video ...on voit le gite à la fin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwWYILQdLMU
je n ai pas les coordonnées du gite mais ce doit être facile à trouver
j.Th.
merci et la video est bien sympa.
moi je marche ... c'est sympa aussi.
là on fera 1/2-1/2 ma copine n'est pas "grande marcheuse" (moi non plus mais je fais comme si 🙂) donc on fera en transport et des balades 1/2 journées si possible. on verra.
Avec 3 jours plein + 1/2 journée tu peux peut être le faire , ce n'est pas le temps que ça demande mais surtout de trouver un transport qui me parait le plus long , la piste de la cathédrale est en effet assez dure d'après ce que j'en ai entendu dire , j'ai fait une partie à pied mais pas tout ...😎
La deuxième option par Azilal et le tour par les Aït Bougmez est plus facile, pas de problèmes j'ai fait le trajet en voiture non 4X4 , mais il est vrai que la cathédrale c'est aussi très beau , mais quand même super dur au col seuls les 4X4 passent il me semble .
Ne loupe pas la partie Agouti Demnate sans passer par Azilal c'est vraiment beau , environ 28 kms , j'en ai aussi fait une partie à pied .
Bon, je rentre juste, donc lessive , défaire les valises et le reste 😕
Bonjour Béatrice,
je me permets de vous donner une info concernant le gite ..
à la Cathédrale ..... chez Amertous Saïd ..Tél : 212 (0)523442023....GSM : 212 0661876401.
Y est passé 2nuits en début Mai cette année...bon gite ..montée au sommet (2h)de la cathédrale super...dommage, le temps était brumeux....pour le trajet vers demnate , peu de monde sur la piste, si ce n'est casiment personne , trajet parcouru en 2008 en cyclo, et aucune voiture sur tout le parcours, juste un 4X4 local a l'embranchement vers la piste G6 des guides gandini..le parcours étant le G4....l'ai refait en 4X4 en 2009 et pareil , à part une paire de mule (locale) pas grand monde..mais c'est un parcours superbe...la piste était praticable en 2009, mais cela peut changer en fonction de la météo...a pied, pas de souci , ça passe toujours....Bon balades à vous ..Cordialement..Rv.
Nous y serons également , mais fin septembre , l'année dernière nous avions ete jusque la cathédrale, mai faute de temps on avais passe la nuit au gîte pour au petit matin revenir sur beni mellal . On espère faire la boucle cette année .
Hi everyone, I posted this topic back in March 2023: I m asking a question in preparation for a trip (March 2023): is the road identified by Michelin as P1520…
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊