Route Los Angeles - Las Vegas
by 1margarita
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Salut a tous, je suis un grand fan de l Amerique des annees 40 60. Je me rends a Los Angeles bientôt pour la 1ere fois. Pouvez vous me renseigner ? Je voudrais savoir s il y a des villes fantômes, des stations services abandonnees, des casses automobiles sur la route qui relie LA a Las Vegas en passant par Palm Springs ? merci d avance
Bonjour,
Dans Wikipédia, il y la liste des villes fantômes des USA, état par état.
Bonne journée.
Si le chemin est difficile, le difficile est le chemin.
A mon avis il n'y a pas de répertoire comme tel sauf pour les villes fantômes et la fameuse route 66 . Peu par contre sont accessibles sinon en 4 X 4 et sur votre parcours qui est trop vague , je ne sais pas . Comme mentionnée , voir wikipedia.
Les vieilles voitures , voyez les musées plutôt , il y en a un de fantastique dans dans la parti nord de LA entre autre. Oui on peut en voir des casses par ci par là , une ou deux trois à la fois au hasard de petites routes et dans des villages , les stations service plutôt rares quoique on peut deviner si on en voit que c'en était. Mais où et beaucoup de kilomètre pour si peu .
A mon avis vous êtes mieux de préparer votre itinéraire en fonction de trucs sûrs , reconnus . et qui sait si le hasard .......
Je suis au Nouveau Mexique actuellement et oui j'en vois à l'occasion de ces vieilles carcasses , pas accessible par contre, a voir de loin et qu'une forme de métal rouillée. Pas de quoi faire ces kilomètres .
L'idée que tu te fais des États-Unis n'existe ( presque ) plus . Mais c'est un pays fantastique à découvrir.
Les vieilles voitures , voyez les musées plutôt , il y en a un de fantastique dans dans la parti nord de LA entre autre. Oui on peut en voir des casses par ci par là , une ou deux trois à la fois au hasard de petites routes et dans des villages , les stations service plutôt rares quoique on peut deviner si on en voit que c'en était. Mais où et beaucoup de kilomètre pour si peu .
A mon avis vous êtes mieux de préparer votre itinéraire en fonction de trucs sûrs , reconnus . et qui sait si le hasard .......
Je suis au Nouveau Mexique actuellement et oui j'en vois à l'occasion de ces vieilles carcasses , pas accessible par contre, a voir de loin et qu'une forme de métal rouillée. Pas de quoi faire ces kilomètres .
L'idée que tu te fais des États-Unis n'existe ( presque ) plus . Mais c'est un pays fantastique à découvrir.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Bonjour,
Donc il faut passer par Kingman/AZ pour le museum de la route 66, le Mohave museum tout proche (peu connu ici...) le M'DZ Diner !
avec un détour ludique par Oatman (ex ville minière), et Chloride (plus "fatiguée"...) en remontant vers le Hoover Dam.
à Las Vegas (près des Outlet Sud) la concession Shelby (dont le musée en visite guidée à 10h30). Et l'expo/vente/musée de voitures Américaines au dernier étage du Quad Hôtel ex Impérial Palace.
à + Jean.
Donc il faut passer par Kingman/AZ pour le museum de la route 66, le Mohave museum tout proche (peu connu ici...) le M'DZ Diner !
avec un détour ludique par Oatman (ex ville minière), et Chloride (plus "fatiguée"...) en remontant vers le Hoover Dam.
à Las Vegas (près des Outlet Sud) la concession Shelby (dont le musée en visite guidée à 10h30). Et l'expo/vente/musée de voitures Américaines au dernier étage du Quad Hôtel ex Impérial Palace.
à + Jean.
4 fois en Camping-car: Parcs US - NewMex - Yellowst - Louisiane.
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Andalousie, Bretagne, Corse, Provence, Sicile, Toscane, villes d'Italie.
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Bonjour,
Pour les villes fantômes tu peux aller jeter un oeil sur ce site : http://www.ghosttowns.com/
Pour les casses auto et autres vieille stations je sais pas mais si tu as envie d'aller voir un rassemblement de veilles ricaines autour de LA je te conseil de jeter l'autre œil à celui-ci : http://www.socalcarculture.com/events.html
😉
Cool l'info sur le musée Shelby, je prends note. 😎
😉
Cool l'info sur le musée Shelby, je prends note. 😎
Hello,
à part la ville fantôme de Calico (qui est sympa MAIS c'est un parc d'attractions ni plus ni moins), je dirais que le seul endroit qui correspond à votre recherche sur la route L.A - LAS c'est le Peggy Sue, un dinner des fifties après Barstow (en direction de Vegas). Clairement LE truc à faire si vous aimez cette ambiance.
Sinon des vieilles stations services il y en a partout aux US (prenez les routes paumées !), et des villes fantômes c'est pas ce qui manque dans l'ouest (même si souvent c'est devenu touristique).
Bon voyage.
à part la ville fantôme de Calico (qui est sympa MAIS c'est un parc d'attractions ni plus ni moins), je dirais que le seul endroit qui correspond à votre recherche sur la route L.A - LAS c'est le Peggy Sue, un dinner des fifties après Barstow (en direction de Vegas). Clairement LE truc à faire si vous aimez cette ambiance.
Sinon des vieilles stations services il y en a partout aux US (prenez les routes paumées !), et des villes fantômes c'est pas ce qui manque dans l'ouest (même si souvent c'est devenu touristique).
Bon voyage.
Le guide des USA : http://www.guideonclesam.com
A Glendale dans l'Utah , sur l'US 89 ( en direction de Bryce Canyon ) , la casse de William D. ( Bill ) Spencer 😉
Un joli cimetière de vieilles caisses US 😏
Un joli cimetière de vieilles caisses US 😏
On en rencontre régulièrement mais pas souvent , pas de quoi en faire un circuit par contre .
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Bonsoir Philip,
Pour la liste des villes fantomes des USA.
Faites: US ghost towns sur Google, et vous trouverez tout etat par etat.
Les sites sont en anglais bien sur.
Il y a des centaines de villes fantomes aux USA, certaines ne sont souvent que quelques batiments abandonnes qui tombent en ruines.
Nous allons faire la visite de plusieurs villes "Fantomes" en Souther Arizona, Southern New Mexico et peut etre quelques une au Texas.
Nous concentrerons nos visites, au depart de San Francisco, sous une ligne en Arizona et au New Mexico, des Freeways I-8 et I-10 (I= Interstate)
Nous partons dans environ deux semaines et nous posterons des photos sur notre blog en bas de page.
Si cela peut vous etre utile vous pourrez commencer a le visionner apres le 20 Avril au plutot.
Si vous decidez de passer par Palm Springs, il y a un trajet interessant en passant par Ortega Highway Temecula et Anza. Sinon si le temps presse passez par les Freeways.
Cordialement
Alex
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How heavy do I journey on the way,
When what I seek (my weary travel’s end)
Shakespeare sonnet 50, vers 1- 2.
Voici ce que j'ai vu cet après-midi dans un musée au Texas qui n'annonçait pas ça ;




Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Bonjour Louis
Où est ce musée ?
On doit traverser le Texas ds 6 semaines et je cherche des idées de visite
Merci
Noëlle
Ce musée est à El Paso , plus précisément à Santa Theresa , c'est le War Eagle Air Museum
J'y allais pour les avions. Ci bas , une autre photo du même musée.
http://www.war-eagles-air-museum.com .
Hélas pour vous c'est dans l'extrémité ouest du Texas, loin de tout.
Pour connaître des visites en tout genres , sur google tu tapes ; tripadvisor , le non de la ville , l'état . Et tu auras tout ce qu'il y a voir avec des commentaires , je m'y fies beaucoup.
Ou google Texas museums ; http://www.motortexas.com/interests.aspx/museums/

Hélas pour vous c'est dans l'extrémité ouest du Texas, loin de tout.
Pour connaître des visites en tout genres , sur google tu tapes ; tripadvisor , le non de la ville , l'état . Et tu auras tout ce qu'il y a voir avec des commentaires , je m'y fies beaucoup.
Ou google Texas museums ; http://www.motortexas.com/interests.aspx/museums/

Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Merci
Je vais le rajouter ds mes prévisions; on verra si on y passe;
normalement, on monte de Big Bend vers Roswell (😉) et Santa Fe
Noëlle
Roswell ! vous y trouvez quelque chose à cet attrape touriste ?
Vous irez a White sand National Park j'espère ; extraordinaire
Vous irez a White sand National Park j'espère ; extraordinaire
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Non, on est déja passés à Roswell; je voulais le voir, mais c'est effectivement sans interet; on n'y retourne pas; on a aussi visité White Sands NP, 2 fois.
J'ai prévu Great Sand dunes, qu'on a aussi déja vu, il y a très longtemps, Curecanti NRA, Crested Buttes peut-être, car mon fils m'en a dit beaucoup de bien, mais il y a fait du VTT.
On est plus nature que villes.
Noëlle
Merci pour l info je vais suivre votre conseil. A bientot
Merci beaucoup
Merci pour toutes ces infos je vais voir tout ça en detail sur le net. Vraiment merci beaucoup
Merci pour ces infos ça me parait tres interessant
Merci pour l info je vais voir si je peux consulter leur site
Roswell ! vous y trouvez quelque chose à cet attrape touriste ?
Vous irez a White sand National Park j'espère ; extraordinaire
Et puis si ça vous plaît . Je suis certain que je fais pareil . 😏😏😏
Vous irez a White sand National Park j'espère ; extraordinaire
Et puis si ça vous plaît . Je suis certain que je fais pareil . 😏😏😏
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Merci pour les infos et bon road trip
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My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!










