Etat d'urgence à Bangkok (2 septembre 2008)
by Jumbo1
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Mais qui vous dit que la démocratie à l’occidentale est faite pour la Thaïlande ? Les Thaïs n’ont pas la même mentalité que les Européens ! C’est comme les USA qui veulent à tous prix imposer la démocratie en Irak.
Une grande majorité des Thaïs n’ont aucune éducation. Comment peuvent-ils faire un choix quand ils ne comprennent pas ce qu’on leur propose.
De toute façon il n’y a pas de démocratie en Thaïlande, car les votes sont achetés. De plus la Thaïlande n’est pas un état de droit, car c’est le plus riche qui a raison ou le Thaï si le conflit est entre un Thaï et un étranger (dernièrement dans le journal : Page2 : un Pakistanais (pas sûr de la nationalité, mais musulman) est condamné à perpétuité pour avoir tué une Thaï. Son excuse : « elle a insulté sa religion ». Page 3 : un australien est condamné à 4 ans de prison pour avoir tué un Américain. Son excuse : « il n’aime pas les Américain »).
Il faut commencer par éduquer le pays, puis le débarrasser de sa corruption. Ensuite peut être que la démocratie sera viable. Le risque avec une élite qui dirige le pays c’est qu’elle voudra probablement resté l’élite et ne permettra donc pas aux pauvres de gravir l’échelle sociale.
De toute façon il n’y a pas de démocratie en Thaïlande, car les votes sont achetés. De plus la Thaïlande n’est pas un état de droit, car c’est le plus riche qui a raison ou le Thaï si le conflit est entre un Thaï et un étranger (dernièrement dans le journal : Page2 : un Pakistanais (pas sûr de la nationalité, mais musulman) est condamné à perpétuité pour avoir tué une Thaï. Son excuse : « elle a insulté sa religion ». Page 3 : un australien est condamné à 4 ans de prison pour avoir tué un Américain. Son excuse : « il n’aime pas les Américain »).
Il faut commencer par éduquer le pays, puis le débarrasser de sa corruption. Ensuite peut être que la démocratie sera viable. Le risque avec une élite qui dirige le pays c’est qu’elle voudra probablement resté l’élite et ne permettra donc pas aux pauvres de gravir l’échelle sociale.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
http://www.soidog.org/
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1 man 1 vote c'est la democratie. Le reste vous pouvez l'habiller comme vous voulez, ca sera de la dictature.
Ah bon ? Cette notion de la démocratie me paraît un peu ... simplette.
L'Irak, du temps de Saddam, appliquait la règle "1 man, 1 vote", c'était une grande démocratie ...
Idem avec l'URSS et les pays "satellites" !
La démocratie c'est "le gouvernement du peuple par le peuple pour le peuple" et pas (forcément) "1 man 1 vote" ...
Ah bon ? Cette notion de la démocratie me paraît un peu ... simplette.
L'Irak, du temps de Saddam, appliquait la règle "1 man, 1 vote", c'était une grande démocratie ...
Idem avec l'URSS et les pays "satellites" !
La démocratie c'est "le gouvernement du peuple par le peuple pour le peuple" et pas (forcément) "1 man 1 vote" ...
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
eh oui, la democratie ce n'est qu'un style de regime politique... pas la perfection. Il y a des democraties saines, d'autres pourries. Mais c'est le choix de chaque electeur de se faire acheter ou non.
Si tu preferres la dictature, c'est ton choix, en bon democrate je le respecte.
eh oui, la democratie ce n'est qu'un style de regime politique... pas la perfection. Il y a des democraties saines, d'autres pourries. Mais c'est le choix de chaque electeur de se faire acheter ou non.
Si tu preferres la dictature, c'est ton choix, en bon democrate je le respecte.
Ben non, apparemment en Thaïlande (et ailleurs) c'est interdit par la loi ...
Dura lex, sed lex !
(en clair : dur-dur, la dictature de la loi)
Ben non, apparemment en Thaïlande (et ailleurs) c'est interdit par la loi ...
Dura lex, sed lex !
(en clair : dur-dur, la dictature de la loi)
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Bonjour,
Cela dit l'elite d'aujourd'hui ne veux pas eduquer le peuple, et celle de demain si elle s'appelle democrate, ne le voudra pas plus, cela engendrerait un partage des richesses en thailande dont personne ne veut reellement entendren parler et surtout pas l'elite. Diviser pour mieux regner est un slogan digne de ce pays et de tous les partis qui s'y trouvent.
Cela dit l'elite d'aujourd'hui ne veux pas eduquer le peuple, et celle de demain si elle s'appelle democrate, ne le voudra pas plus, cela engendrerait un partage des richesses en thailande dont personne ne veut reellement entendren parler et surtout pas l'elite. Diviser pour mieux regner est un slogan digne de ce pays et de tous les partis qui s'y trouvent.
Je ne sais pas ce que vous appelez l'élite, mais si ce sont les gens riches, alors citez moi un pays où ils sont favorables à une redistribution forcenée ...
Les instits, profs ne font pas partie de l'élite, et ils sont très dévoués je trouve (ceux que j'ai connu), même si l'efficacité de ceux qui enseignent l'anglais ...
Moi ce que je vois de plus en plus flagrant, c'est une division "nord-sud", tout ce que je lis sur le "nord" (et n-e) je ne l'ai point rencontré dans le sud.
Il y a des paysans aussi dans le sud (riz a Thungsong, ananas, caoutchouc) mais qui n'ont pas de mentalité féodale.
Les instits, profs ne font pas partie de l'élite, et ils sont très dévoués je trouve (ceux que j'ai connu), même si l'efficacité de ceux qui enseignent l'anglais ...
Moi ce que je vois de plus en plus flagrant, c'est une division "nord-sud", tout ce que je lis sur le "nord" (et n-e) je ne l'ai point rencontré dans le sud.
Il y a des paysans aussi dans le sud (riz a Thungsong, ananas, caoutchouc) mais qui n'ont pas de mentalité féodale.
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Je n'ai nullement parlé de redistribution forcenée, mais juste de permettre a la base de s'enrichir un peu, mais pour cela encore faudrait il que cette meme base soit eduquée, ce qui n'est pas forcement le cas. Cela dit ce n'est pas forcement de la faute des enseignants, mais, sachant que le programme scolaire n'est pas forcement le meme que l'on se trouve en Issan ou dans une autre region, j'e ne vois pa&s comment cela pourrais s'arranger. De plus, lorsque l'on sait que certains etudiants arrivent en classes superieures en ne sachant ni lire ni ecrire le thai courament et en n'ayant pour certains que de pietres notions d'anglais, je me demande bien comment ces gens la peuvent sortir de leur situation. Et je reste convaincu que cela est voulu, par les differents gouvernements qui ont etes, qui sont ou qui seront en place en thailande.
Il y a pas mal de discussions différentes sur ce sujet. Ne pourrait-on pas tout centraliser.... A force de les lire toutes, j'ai l'impression qu'on se répète..... 😉
@+
Thibaut
Tout à fais d'accord.
J'ai envie de rajouter un ptit grain de sel, voici un ptit scénario que j'ai imaginer en 24 sec, 4minutes après m'être réveillé😛 1er ministre veut pas partir Population pas content à cause des manifs Pad pas content, va tout casser 1er ministre aura gagner, il joue avec l'opinion publique, il est fort.
J'ai envie de rajouter un ptit grain de sel, voici un ptit scénario que j'ai imaginer en 24 sec, 4minutes après m'être réveillé😛 1er ministre veut pas partir Population pas content à cause des manifs Pad pas content, va tout casser 1er ministre aura gagner, il joue avec l'opinion publique, il est fort.
Il y a pas mal de discussions différentes sur ce sujet. Ne pourrait-on pas tout centraliser.... A force de les lire toutes, j'ai l'impression qu'on se répète..... 😉
tu as raison, ça devient aussi compliqué à suivre que "l'affaire Corse", enfin je veux dire l'affaire Clavier, euuuh non l'affaire Rossi, ou bien l'affaire Alliot-marie...ou l'affaire du président...😉
tu as raison, ça devient aussi compliqué à suivre que "l'affaire Corse", enfin je veux dire l'affaire Clavier, euuuh non l'affaire Rossi, ou bien l'affaire Alliot-marie...ou l'affaire du président...😉
D'abord, je ne doute pas que la Belgique soit apte à gouverner la Thaïlande, elle a brillamment réussi au Congo ... 😄😄😄😄
Je tombe sur ton post juste au moment ou je viens de terminer "Au coeur des tenebres" de Conrad 😄😄😄!!!! "Courte ou longue les manches?" (Question que nos amis belges posés aux congolais avant de leurs couper le bras🏴☠️)
Je tombe sur ton post juste au moment ou je viens de terminer "Au coeur des tenebres" de Conrad 😄😄😄!!!! "Courte ou longue les manches?" (Question que nos amis belges posés aux congolais avant de leurs couper le bras🏴☠️)
Voyager, c'est naître et mourir à chaque instant...
Victor Hugo
referendum en octobre - touristes en novembre (vieux proverbe gascon)
http://www.france24.com/fr/20080904-crise-bangkok-referendum-thailande-samak-sundaravej-parlement-affrontement-opposition-royaliste&navi=ASIE-PACIFIQUE
http://www.france24.com/fr/20080904-crise-bangkok-referendum-thailande-samak-sundaravej-parlement-affrontement-opposition-royaliste&navi=ASIE-PACIFIQUE
Je n'ai nullement parlé de redistribution forcenée, mais juste de permettre a la base de s'enrichir un peu, mais pour cela encore faudrait il que cette meme base soit eduquée, ce qui n'est pas forcement le cas. Cela dit ce n'est pas forcement de la faute des enseignants, mais, sachant que le programme scolaire n'est pas forcement le meme que l'on se trouve en Issan ou dans une autre region, j'e ne vois pa&s comment cela pourrais s'arranger. De plus, lorsque l'on sait que certains etudiants arrivent en classes superieures en ne sachant ni lire ni ecrire le thai courament et en n'ayant pour certains que de pietres notions d'anglais, je me demande bien comment ces gens la peuvent sortir de leur situation. Et je reste convaincu que cela est voulu, par les differents gouvernements qui ont etes, qui sont ou qui seront en place en thailande.
J'ai moi-même rencontré ce problème dans la famille (de ma femme), j'ai passé de nombreuses années à tenter de "pousser" certain(s) ... sans succès malheureusement !
Je ne suis pas sûr qu'il ne s'agisse pas que d'une pesanteur, à laquelle s'ajoute l'effet "mai pen rai".
Perso, vu la situation familiale, j'aurais dû "faire manoeuvre" dès 14ans, les 7ans d'études que j'ai faites "en plus" ont été une sorte de "corps-à-corps" avec les difficultés (avec ma mère pour m'assister au début).
L'ascenseur social passe souvent par "l'école", et celle-ci a donc un rôle primordial ...
Ensuite, en Thaïlande, l'Armée attire beaucoup de monde (les "moins intellos"), un peu trop de monde à mon goût d'ailleurs.
Heureusement qu'il y a les femmes, particulièrement en Thaïlande, elles sont plus studieuses et ne sont pas attirées par l'Armée ...
(il faut voir la fierté -et le décorum associé- qu'on a lorsqu'un enfant est "diplômé", c'est très touchant je trouve).
J'ai moi-même rencontré ce problème dans la famille (de ma femme), j'ai passé de nombreuses années à tenter de "pousser" certain(s) ... sans succès malheureusement !
Je ne suis pas sûr qu'il ne s'agisse pas que d'une pesanteur, à laquelle s'ajoute l'effet "mai pen rai".
Perso, vu la situation familiale, j'aurais dû "faire manoeuvre" dès 14ans, les 7ans d'études que j'ai faites "en plus" ont été une sorte de "corps-à-corps" avec les difficultés (avec ma mère pour m'assister au début).
L'ascenseur social passe souvent par "l'école", et celle-ci a donc un rôle primordial ...
Ensuite, en Thaïlande, l'Armée attire beaucoup de monde (les "moins intellos"), un peu trop de monde à mon goût d'ailleurs.
Heureusement qu'il y a les femmes, particulièrement en Thaïlande, elles sont plus studieuses et ne sont pas attirées par l'Armée ...
(il faut voir la fierté -et le décorum associé- qu'on a lorsqu'un enfant est "diplômé", c'est très touchant je trouve).
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
...qui vous dit que la democratie...faite pour la Thailande.
Je fais simplement un constat : des milices reactionnaires en polos jaunes refusent le verdict des urnes. Mais je ne dirais pas ce que tu laisses entendre, a savoir que les thailandais sont justes bons a vivre sous une dictature.pas de democratie en Thailande, car les votes sont achetes.
Mais qui te dit que la democratie est un systeme parfait ? En tous les cas, c'est le moins pire a dit Churchill. En France aussi on achete les votes...par des promesses qui n'engagent que ceux qui y croient ! Combien de Francais ont pleurer parce que Sarkozy, comme par hasard, a decouvert qu'il ne pouvait pas tenir sa promesse a propos de ceux qui ont acheter une maison. Je perds 6000 euros dans la non tenue de cette promesse, moi j'ai voter Sarkozy rien que pour ca, ah si j'avais su...pleurait un electeur sur France Inter, un electeur bien eduquer qui sait faire le choix dans ce qu'on lui propose (ah ah ah ah😎)
Il faut commencer par eduquer le pays😇 Oui, monsieur le colonialiste ! Ah ces p'tits niakoues ! Faut tout leur apprendre ! J'ai ete plusieurs fois en cure thermale a Greoux les bains, et j'ai frequenter la France profonde, qui s'etonnait de mes t-shirts bizarres. Ca vient d'ou? De Thailande ! Ah bon, c'est loin ? Mais je ne me suis paS MOQUER, je me suis adapter, j'ai eviter de parler de politique etrangere, de litterature, de cinema, mais je me suis interesser au jardinnage, a la cueillette des champignons et a TF1, TF1 comme modele mondial de societer. Mais ces Francais, ils etaient bien tranquilles, bien heureux dans leurs pavillons jardins. En Thailande, ils regardent quoi a la television ? Les chaines d'information ? Ca, c'est la Thailande urbaine, et tu sais tres bien comment elle considere les gens de l'issan. Une dame, dans une famille sino-thaie que j'ai frequenter, me disait qu'elle ne comprenait pas pourquoi les farangs s'entichaient des filles de l'issan ; devant mon air perplexe, elle precisait, en me montrant ces avants bras, avec un air de degout, elles ont la peau noire ! Evidemment, cette famille riche est antitaksin, et doit etre heureuse en ce moment de voir les exactions des polos jaunes ! Au fait, ils sont mal eduquer...c'est donc pour ceux que les farangs epousent les thailandaises ? Pas gentil, tout ca, non ? Qu'ils ne sont pas ouvert sur le monde, qu'ils ne s'interessent pas pas a grand chose, oui, certes, c'est leur choix, comme beaucoup de gens dans d'autres pays, les thais peuvent regarder des chaines d'informations, mais ils preferent voir les feuilletons ! Ils regardent leur TF1, d'ailleurs avec des emissions style "questions pour un champion"
Il faut commencer par eduquer le pays😇 Oui, monsieur le colonialiste ! Ah ces p'tits niakoues ! Faut tout leur apprendre ! J'ai ete plusieurs fois en cure thermale a Greoux les bains, et j'ai frequenter la France profonde, qui s'etonnait de mes t-shirts bizarres. Ca vient d'ou? De Thailande ! Ah bon, c'est loin ? Mais je ne me suis paS MOQUER, je me suis adapter, j'ai eviter de parler de politique etrangere, de litterature, de cinema, mais je me suis interesser au jardinnage, a la cueillette des champignons et a TF1, TF1 comme modele mondial de societer. Mais ces Francais, ils etaient bien tranquilles, bien heureux dans leurs pavillons jardins. En Thailande, ils regardent quoi a la television ? Les chaines d'information ? Ca, c'est la Thailande urbaine, et tu sais tres bien comment elle considere les gens de l'issan. Une dame, dans une famille sino-thaie que j'ai frequenter, me disait qu'elle ne comprenait pas pourquoi les farangs s'entichaient des filles de l'issan ; devant mon air perplexe, elle precisait, en me montrant ces avants bras, avec un air de degout, elles ont la peau noire ! Evidemment, cette famille riche est antitaksin, et doit etre heureuse en ce moment de voir les exactions des polos jaunes ! Au fait, ils sont mal eduquer...c'est donc pour ceux que les farangs epousent les thailandaises ? Pas gentil, tout ca, non ? Qu'ils ne sont pas ouvert sur le monde, qu'ils ne s'interessent pas pas a grand chose, oui, certes, c'est leur choix, comme beaucoup de gens dans d'autres pays, les thais peuvent regarder des chaines d'informations, mais ils preferent voir les feuilletons ! Ils regardent leur TF1, d'ailleurs avec des emissions style "questions pour un champion"
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Mais c'est le choix de chaque electeur de se faire acheter ou non.
Ben non, apparemment en Thaïlande (et ailleurs) c'est interdit par la loi ...
Dura lex, sed lex !
(en clair : dur-dur, la dictature de la loi)
Interdit ou non ca reste le choix de chaque individu. La democratie c'est la majorite qui decide ce qu'elle en fait.
Ben non, apparemment en Thaïlande (et ailleurs) c'est interdit par la loi ...
Dura lex, sed lex !
(en clair : dur-dur, la dictature de la loi)
Interdit ou non ca reste le choix de chaque individu. La democratie c'est la majorite qui decide ce qu'elle en fait.
des milices reactionnaires en polos jaunes refusent le verdict des urnes.
Un petit coup d'oeil à la chaîne TOC : http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/
Vous y voyez retransmis en direct les rassemblements du PAD, quelques discours de temps en temps et le reste une sorte de concert rock ...
Le tout devant un public hétéroclite femmes, enfants, vieillards compris !
Alors, vos histoires de "milices en polos jaune", ce sont des c.nneries.
Pour le reste, vouloir être gouverné par des gens qui ne s'en collent pas plein les fouilles après avoir acheté des voix, c'est en effet "réactionnaire" ...
Mais, certaines "réactions" ne sont-elles pas salutaires ?
En tous cas, la corruption effrénée, ce n'est pas un "progrès", çà bouffe 20 à 30% du PIB en Thaïlande !
Un petit coup d'oeil à la chaîne TOC : http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/
Vous y voyez retransmis en direct les rassemblements du PAD, quelques discours de temps en temps et le reste une sorte de concert rock ...
Le tout devant un public hétéroclite femmes, enfants, vieillards compris !
Alors, vos histoires de "milices en polos jaune", ce sont des c.nneries.
Pour le reste, vouloir être gouverné par des gens qui ne s'en collent pas plein les fouilles après avoir acheté des voix, c'est en effet "réactionnaire" ...
Mais, certaines "réactions" ne sont-elles pas salutaires ?
En tous cas, la corruption effrénée, ce n'est pas un "progrès", çà bouffe 20 à 30% du PIB en Thaïlande !
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Il faut commencer par eduquer le pays😇
Oui, monsieur le colonialiste ! Ah ces p'tits niakoues ! Faut tout leur apprendre !
Tu me fais dire ce que je n’ai pas dit. En attendant qui de nous deux est le plus colonialiste, celui qui veut imposer son système politique à la Thaïlande ou celui qui pense que la Thaïlande doit développer le système qui convient le mieux à la mentalité thaï ?
Tu me fais dire ce que je n’ai pas dit. En attendant qui de nous deux est le plus colonialiste, celui qui veut imposer son système politique à la Thaïlande ou celui qui pense que la Thaïlande doit développer le système qui convient le mieux à la mentalité thaï ?
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
http://www.soidog.org/
http://www.soidog.org/
des milices reactionnaires en polos jaunes refusent le verdict des urnes🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
T'es pas un peu fatiguer Geob? Milice reactionnaire....🤪 C'est pas parce que en France, les gens ne descendent plus dans la rue, qu'ils se font enfler depuis des decennies que les autres(les thais) sont forcement reactionnaire!!!! Quand t'es pas d'accord, tu fais quoi? Tu fermes ta gueules ou tu fais savoir que t'en a marre? Des hommes, des femmes et des vieillards qui manifestent= milice reactionnaire 😏😏😏. Parce que Samak est elu, il peut faire n'importe quoi jusqu'a la fin de son mandat? T'as des billes dans la "Thaksin Corp." ou quoi? T'as peur de perdre ton bas de laine😄😄😄. C'est vraiment une manie chez certains de nos concitoyens d'employer des expressions qui nous renvois a des moments terribles de notre histoire. T'inquiete Geob, a ce petit jeu tu n'ai que sur la 2eme place du podium, devant toi il y a notre empereur Nicolas 1er et son "Nazislamisme"... Aykel
T'es pas un peu fatiguer Geob? Milice reactionnaire....🤪 C'est pas parce que en France, les gens ne descendent plus dans la rue, qu'ils se font enfler depuis des decennies que les autres(les thais) sont forcement reactionnaire!!!! Quand t'es pas d'accord, tu fais quoi? Tu fermes ta gueules ou tu fais savoir que t'en a marre? Des hommes, des femmes et des vieillards qui manifestent= milice reactionnaire 😏😏😏. Parce que Samak est elu, il peut faire n'importe quoi jusqu'a la fin de son mandat? T'as des billes dans la "Thaksin Corp." ou quoi? T'as peur de perdre ton bas de laine😄😄😄. C'est vraiment une manie chez certains de nos concitoyens d'employer des expressions qui nous renvois a des moments terribles de notre histoire. T'inquiete Geob, a ce petit jeu tu n'ai que sur la 2eme place du podium, devant toi il y a notre empereur Nicolas 1er et son "Nazislamisme"... Aykel
Voyager, c'est naître et mourir à chaque instant...
Victor Hugo
Salut Aykel, 😉
Depuis le projet du référendum, silence radio on dirait qu'il n'y a plus rien ? .
Depuis le projet du référendum, silence radio on dirait qu'il n'y a plus rien ? .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Salut Khun Barbot....😉
Je pense qu'en arriere plan ça doit etre tendu. L'armée est...sans armes (j'adore ce pays😄), le ministre demissionaire est membre du conseil privé du roi donc le message est clair de toute part, il ne reste à Samak que ses partisans.(C'est a dire pas grand chose)
Je crois qu'il ne reste à Samak qu'une seule solution, reserver une chambre dans la "guest-house" de Thaksin" à Londres 😄😄😄!!!!
Bon Week-End....
Aykel
Voyager, c'est naître et mourir à chaque instant...
Victor Hugo
...le systeme qui convient le mieux a la mentalite thaie ?
Regarde L'Inde, ce gigantesque pays continent, aux multiples langues, couleurs de peau, de vetements traditionnels differents d'un etat a l'autre, eh bien L'Inde est un pays qui vit en democratie...oui bien sur, il se passe des choses horribles en Inde, ne parlons pas de la corruption aussi siderante, je suis pas le dernier a critiquer comme a propos du Cachemire, oui ce n'est pas parfait, mais ca existe la democratie en Inde. Alors, dis moi, ce systeme convient-il a l'indien du Rajasthan, du Tamil Nadu, du Kerala ? Ils sont tellements dissemblables, mais ils habitent le meme pays, et vivent dans un systeme democratique alors qu'ils n'ont pas une longue histoire sur ce plan la derriere eux. J'ai bien compris, apres tout ca te regarde, que pour toi le meilleur systeme pour la Thailande, c'est la dictature. Ah ! J'oubliais ! Le Thailandais est plus intelligent que le Francais : le thailandais encaisse avant d'aller voter, le francais espere apres son vote. Faut pas croire que cet anti-occidentalisme ne concerne que la democratie, cela me faisait penser a ce premier ministre malaisien qui pronait les valeurs asiatiques. Mais je suis persuader que ce n'est pas un mouvement de fond, parce que les thais ont le sens du pragmatisme ! Le programme des "polos jaunes" : nommer 70/100 des deputes ! Pas bete, hein ?
Regarde L'Inde, ce gigantesque pays continent, aux multiples langues, couleurs de peau, de vetements traditionnels differents d'un etat a l'autre, eh bien L'Inde est un pays qui vit en democratie...oui bien sur, il se passe des choses horribles en Inde, ne parlons pas de la corruption aussi siderante, je suis pas le dernier a critiquer comme a propos du Cachemire, oui ce n'est pas parfait, mais ca existe la democratie en Inde. Alors, dis moi, ce systeme convient-il a l'indien du Rajasthan, du Tamil Nadu, du Kerala ? Ils sont tellements dissemblables, mais ils habitent le meme pays, et vivent dans un systeme democratique alors qu'ils n'ont pas une longue histoire sur ce plan la derriere eux. J'ai bien compris, apres tout ca te regarde, que pour toi le meilleur systeme pour la Thailande, c'est la dictature. Ah ! J'oubliais ! Le Thailandais est plus intelligent que le Francais : le thailandais encaisse avant d'aller voter, le francais espere apres son vote. Faut pas croire que cet anti-occidentalisme ne concerne que la democratie, cela me faisait penser a ce premier ministre malaisien qui pronait les valeurs asiatiques. Mais je suis persuader que ce n'est pas un mouvement de fond, parce que les thais ont le sens du pragmatisme ! Le programme des "polos jaunes" : nommer 70/100 des deputes ! Pas bete, hein ?
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Censure en Thailande: Info ou intox ? (lu dans le 20 minutes.ch d'aujourd'hui)
Je cite: "Le gouvernement thailandais a fermé ou bloqué l'accès a 1600 sites internet (on ne dit pas lesquels) au nom de la sécurité nationale. Quelques 400 sites auraient ete fermés pour insultes a la famille royale" (SIC) 😕
Je cite: "Le gouvernement thailandais a fermé ou bloqué l'accès a 1600 sites internet (on ne dit pas lesquels) au nom de la sécurité nationale. Quelques 400 sites auraient ete fermés pour insultes a la famille royale" (SIC) 😕
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
T’es pas très futé quand même. Tu me reproches d’être colonialiste mais tu veux à tous prix imposer a la Thaïlande ton système politique. Et si ca leur convient pas ? Tu t’en fous. Tout le monde doit aimer la démocratie ! C’est très logique.
Et par éducation j’entends donner accès aux universités a une plus grande partie de la population. Ensuite je n’ai pas parle de dictature mais de système propre a la Thaïlande. Mais bon après tu peux interpréter comme tu veux et essayer de m’imposer à dire ce que je n’ai pas dit !
Et par éducation j’entends donner accès aux universités a une plus grande partie de la population. Ensuite je n’ai pas parle de dictature mais de système propre a la Thaïlande. Mais bon après tu peux interpréter comme tu veux et essayer de m’imposer à dire ce que je n’ai pas dit !
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
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Je ne crois pas que qui que ce soit ait proposé ici "d'imposer à la Thailande" notre système politique !!
Et d'ailleurs "notre système politique", si c'est de la démocratie qu'il s'agit, ne nous appartient pas, il a quelque chose de plutot universel... La démocratie, ça signifie que chacun a le droit d'ouvrir sa gueule, que tout membre du pays en est un citoyen etc... Revoyez vos classiques pour une meilleure définition !!! Je sais que les thais sont très différents de nous (et encore, pas tant que ça), mais a ma connaissance, ils aspirent, eux aussi, éduqués ou non, à la liberté, dans tous les sens du terme. La démocratie, pour universelle qu'elle soit, n'empêche pas des variantes spécifiques à chaque pays et à ses "mentalités". Enfin, je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi quand tu dis que ce peuple a besoin d'être éduqué, du moins quand cela sous-entend qu'il ne l'est pas (on aurait tous besoin de l'être plus et les réactions du peuple français me désespère parfois aussi). La thailande est un pays ayant un fort taux d'alphabétisation (d'après sources internet diverses, 96, 4% estimation 2005 - je ne suis pas sure qu'on fasse mieux en France) et est doté de nombreuses universités proposant même des cours pour adultes... Sais tu que pour être guide (national), par exemple, il faut un diplôme universitaire? Vu le nombre de guides, tu comprendras vite que beaucoup de thai sont passés par la fac... Il y a des pays ou le manque d'éducation est un véritable problème (cf le Cambodge, par exemple), je ne crois pas qu'on puisse dire que c'est le cas de la Thailande.
Quand au problème qui nous préoccupe actuellement, je dois dire que le choix entre un élu (de façon irrégulière semble-t-il) qui s'en fout plein les poches et un leader du mouvement contestataire (mouvement bien compréhensible) qui ne souhaite, lui, que prendre le pouvoir et le garder grace à un système de nomination (pour s'en mettre tout autant dans les poches?!)... je comprend que l'armée, comme le roi, ait du mal à prendre parti...
J'espère que s'ils n'ont pas encore pris position, c'est qu'ils sont à la recherche d'une 3ème voie...
De toute façon, tant que le roi n'aura pas trouvé de solution à sa succession, je crains que la lutte pour le pouvoir ne dure...
Et d'ailleurs "notre système politique", si c'est de la démocratie qu'il s'agit, ne nous appartient pas, il a quelque chose de plutot universel... La démocratie, ça signifie que chacun a le droit d'ouvrir sa gueule, que tout membre du pays en est un citoyen etc... Revoyez vos classiques pour une meilleure définition !!! Je sais que les thais sont très différents de nous (et encore, pas tant que ça), mais a ma connaissance, ils aspirent, eux aussi, éduqués ou non, à la liberté, dans tous les sens du terme. La démocratie, pour universelle qu'elle soit, n'empêche pas des variantes spécifiques à chaque pays et à ses "mentalités". Enfin, je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi quand tu dis que ce peuple a besoin d'être éduqué, du moins quand cela sous-entend qu'il ne l'est pas (on aurait tous besoin de l'être plus et les réactions du peuple français me désespère parfois aussi). La thailande est un pays ayant un fort taux d'alphabétisation (d'après sources internet diverses, 96, 4% estimation 2005 - je ne suis pas sure qu'on fasse mieux en France) et est doté de nombreuses universités proposant même des cours pour adultes... Sais tu que pour être guide (national), par exemple, il faut un diplôme universitaire? Vu le nombre de guides, tu comprendras vite que beaucoup de thai sont passés par la fac... Il y a des pays ou le manque d'éducation est un véritable problème (cf le Cambodge, par exemple), je ne crois pas qu'on puisse dire que c'est le cas de la Thailande.
Quand au problème qui nous préoccupe actuellement, je dois dire que le choix entre un élu (de façon irrégulière semble-t-il) qui s'en fout plein les poches et un leader du mouvement contestataire (mouvement bien compréhensible) qui ne souhaite, lui, que prendre le pouvoir et le garder grace à un système de nomination (pour s'en mettre tout autant dans les poches?!)... je comprend que l'armée, comme le roi, ait du mal à prendre parti...
J'espère que s'ils n'ont pas encore pris position, c'est qu'ils sont à la recherche d'une 3ème voie...
De toute façon, tant que le roi n'aura pas trouvé de solution à sa succession, je crains que la lutte pour le pouvoir ne dure...
Heureusement qu'il y a les femmes, particulièrement en Thaïlande, elles sont plus studieuses et ne sont pas attirées par l'Armée ...--
Ah je pouvais pas louper......en Thailande c'est les pompiers l'attirance, etude du corps et ses fluides !
je recherche un traducteur ou une traductrice 😉 j'ai rien compris 😉
je recherche un traducteur ou une traductrice 😉 j'ai rien compris 😉
Tu veux qu'elle enlève le haut ...ou le bas? 😉
PS. Désolé lili, tu me connais, pas pu m'empêcher 😊😛😄😏😏😏
PS. Désolé lili, tu me connais, pas pu m'empêcher 😊😛😄😏😏😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Désolé lili, tu me connais, pas pu m'empêcher
coucou Olivier
t'inquiète je me formalise pas, bien au contraire, c'est marrant ...
on voit que le monsieur il habite en Belgique, il devrait venir dans le sud il serait moins choqué, c'est banal le paréo et maillot de bain, mais si ça continue je vais mettre le bikini .. au moins il parlera pour quelque chose
ou alors il vit la mode à l'ancienne.....ah là là quelle tristesse
coucou Olivier
t'inquiète je me formalise pas, bien au contraire, c'est marrant ...
on voit que le monsieur il habite en Belgique, il devrait venir dans le sud il serait moins choqué, c'est banal le paréo et maillot de bain, mais si ça continue je vais mettre le bikini .. au moins il parlera pour quelque chose
ou alors il vit la mode à l'ancienne.....ah là là quelle tristesse
😏😏😏😄😛😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Avant c'était la miss aout, maintenant la miss septembre...a quand le calendrier au complet? 😉😄😏😏😏😏😎😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Salut boum!
Je l'ai faite en pensant à toi, ils sont de retour à Independance Beach (Sihanoukville)!...!
Je l'ai faite en pensant à toi, ils sont de retour à Independance Beach (Sihanoukville)!...!
Roger
a quand le calendrier au complet
à noël....😛
moi si on me cherche on me trouve.....surtout des trucs comme ça certain devrait aller voir le mot frustration dans le dico, tu as vu le lien de la canadienne sur la réponse à iradium, elle est trop belle elle, au moins elle vit aussi avec son temps la miss, ...
bon je sors oui ......biz Olivier
à noël....😛
moi si on me cherche on me trouve.....surtout des trucs comme ça certain devrait aller voir le mot frustration dans le dico, tu as vu le lien de la canadienne sur la réponse à iradium, elle est trop belle elle, au moins elle vit aussi avec son temps la miss, ...
bon je sors oui ......biz Olivier
Salut Roger, merci ca me touche...même si j'aime pas trop qu'on me cherche des bébêtes dans le dos 😉😄😏😏😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
On a deja tout vu..ou presque sur VF, exemple? 😉😛😄😏😏😏😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Comme celle de lili a Noel? 😉😏😏😏😄😛😇
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Hé bé Lili tu nous fait un défilé de mode de bikini ce soir .😏😏
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
C'est celle d'octobre?...bientot novembre (mon anni 😉) puis.... décembre 😇😛😄😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Hé bé Lili tu nous fait un défilé de mode de bikini ce soir .😏😏
Et en plus dans la rubrique """Etat d'urgence à Bangkok""" comme dans alerte à Malibu, MDR . 😏😏😏
Et en plus dans la rubrique """Etat d'urgence à Bangkok""" comme dans alerte à Malibu, MDR . 😏😏😏
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
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Thanks
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!





