Merci d'avance.
Trek autonome au Maroc en décembre 2010
by Dinisos07
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Salut à tous,
Apparemment je suis pas le premier à poser une question du style... Je vais partir 1 mois au Maroc en décembre 2010, j'aimerais voir le désert et je veux passer la majeur partie de mon temps à faire du trek en totale autonomie (tente, pas de guide). J'ai une bonne expérience des treks et de l'orientation un bon équipement mais c'est une permière pour moi dans le désert. C'est pourquoi j'aimerais des infos précise svp... quel région est la plus propice en décembre ? Laquelle est la plus sauvage ? l'eau est-il vraiment un problème ou au maroc c'est encore facile d'en trouver ? potable? quel est la situation au niveau sécuritaire à la frontière avec l'Algérie ? Ou trouver des cartes topographiques précises du Maroc utilisables en trek ? y'a-t-il des possibilités d'acheter un âne sur place si oui à quel prix? Y'a t-il des endroits où il est interdit de camper (parc national...)
Si vous arrivez à répondre déjà à tout ça ce serait génial. 😉
Merci d'avance.
Merci d'avance.
Si c'est une première pour toi dans le désert, je déconseille très fortement d'être sans guide.
NB : quand est ce que les gens comprendront ENFIN qu'il n'y a pas que le fait d'être agréablement tout seul toute la journée, il y a AUSSI le fait d'être tout seul au cas où ça merde, et dans ce cas là ça tourne à la catastrophe. Et que "ça merde" peut arriver aux meilleurs, donc encore plus facilement à ceux qui n'ont pas d'expérience.
L'eau n'est pas un problème au Maroc, on trouve de l'eau en bouteille dans n'importe quel petit village. L'eau potable est diverse, dépendant des qualités des sources. L'eau dans le désert est un problème et ne se trouve pas facilement. (mais bon c'est une tautologie). Il n'y a pas de cartes topo précises, le plus précis possible étant le 1/25°°° vendu au compte goutte à l'institut de la cartographie à Rabat, et pas actualisé depuis l'époque où les cartes ont été faites (la plupart dans les années 60-70). Il est interdit de camper sans l'autorisation des propriétaires des terrains. La plupart des terrains, même "abandonnés" à l'oeil, ont un propriétaire, et peuvent être des champs à traiter avec soin.
La situation sécuritaire à la frontière avec l'Algérie est celle d'un pays en conflit larvé avec son voisin, qui a interdit le passage et qui patrouille très régulièrement. Même pour les locaux, il est très difficile de passer en douce. Je ne recommande pas de trop trainer là bas en solitaire. En revanche, aucun risque de se faire sauter dessus par un commando qui te kidnapperait pour t'enfermer à Tindouf, c'est pas le style de la maison, et ils ont assez de problèmes avec Moustapha Salma pour l'instant. De plus, quand on va nettement au sud, dans la partie appelée "Sahara espagnol", il me semble qu'il y a encore des coins qui ne sont pas totalement déminée (mais d'autres confirmeront ou me contrediront, je ne suis pas certaine).
Après le désert au Maroc, ça recouvre beaucoup de choses, y compris les hauts plateaux désertiques de l'Atlas, et les zones hors oasis de la vallée du Draa. Il est évident que les risques à se balader tout seuls sont nettement moindres dans les vallées oasiennes que dans les grands ergs.
Et perso, j'ajouterais, pour avoir vécu un long trip de trois semaines dans le désert, sans en sortir, que la solitude dans le désert, ça pèse vite. Parce qu'on est réellement seul, on ne rencontre personne, on n'a pas les petites distractions qu'on peut avoir quand on trekke en zone habitée.
NB : quand est ce que les gens comprendront ENFIN qu'il n'y a pas que le fait d'être agréablement tout seul toute la journée, il y a AUSSI le fait d'être tout seul au cas où ça merde, et dans ce cas là ça tourne à la catastrophe. Et que "ça merde" peut arriver aux meilleurs, donc encore plus facilement à ceux qui n'ont pas d'expérience.
L'eau n'est pas un problème au Maroc, on trouve de l'eau en bouteille dans n'importe quel petit village. L'eau potable est diverse, dépendant des qualités des sources. L'eau dans le désert est un problème et ne se trouve pas facilement. (mais bon c'est une tautologie). Il n'y a pas de cartes topo précises, le plus précis possible étant le 1/25°°° vendu au compte goutte à l'institut de la cartographie à Rabat, et pas actualisé depuis l'époque où les cartes ont été faites (la plupart dans les années 60-70). Il est interdit de camper sans l'autorisation des propriétaires des terrains. La plupart des terrains, même "abandonnés" à l'oeil, ont un propriétaire, et peuvent être des champs à traiter avec soin.
La situation sécuritaire à la frontière avec l'Algérie est celle d'un pays en conflit larvé avec son voisin, qui a interdit le passage et qui patrouille très régulièrement. Même pour les locaux, il est très difficile de passer en douce. Je ne recommande pas de trop trainer là bas en solitaire. En revanche, aucun risque de se faire sauter dessus par un commando qui te kidnapperait pour t'enfermer à Tindouf, c'est pas le style de la maison, et ils ont assez de problèmes avec Moustapha Salma pour l'instant. De plus, quand on va nettement au sud, dans la partie appelée "Sahara espagnol", il me semble qu'il y a encore des coins qui ne sont pas totalement déminée (mais d'autres confirmeront ou me contrediront, je ne suis pas certaine).
Après le désert au Maroc, ça recouvre beaucoup de choses, y compris les hauts plateaux désertiques de l'Atlas, et les zones hors oasis de la vallée du Draa. Il est évident que les risques à se balader tout seuls sont nettement moindres dans les vallées oasiennes que dans les grands ergs.
Et perso, j'ajouterais, pour avoir vécu un long trip de trois semaines dans le désert, sans en sortir, que la solitude dans le désert, ça pèse vite. Parce qu'on est réellement seul, on ne rencontre personne, on n'a pas les petites distractions qu'on peut avoir quand on trekke en zone habitée.
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
😉 salut, tout d'abord, je peux te dire qu'une expérience dans le désert c'est quelque chose de magique, d'extraordinaire mais la vivre avec des touaregs c'est encore plus inoubliable!!!! je te conseille donc les services d'un touareg car lui seul connait les secrets du désert !!!!!!!!!! de plus, cela te permettra de partager le quotiden de ces personnes!!! je trouve dommage de passer à coté de ça.
je te souhaite une expérience magique!
😠Non je ne me suis pas fait arnaquée, j'ai juste fait une erreur de terminologie lors de la réponse!!!! Mes guides n'étaient pas touaregs mais des nomades saharaoui. Cela ne change rien à ma réponse et à force de pinailler sur des détails certains pourraient bien passer à côté des choses les plus importantes...😉 Oubliez les préjugés, faites vos propres expériences et ouvrez-vous à la population locale, qu'elle soit touareg, saharaouie, berbère, ...
bonsoir,
c'est où pour toi le désert au maroc?
c'est quelle autonomie ? bouffe , flotte, distances?
même un âne ça boit, et parfois ça boîte...
ça manque de bases pour te répondre
kiki
j'aimerais voir le désert et je veux passer la majeur partie de mon temps à faire du trek en totale autonomie (tente, pas de guide).
c'est faisable mais il faut vraiment savoir ce que l'on fait. Si tu veux randonner dans le désert il faudra emporter de l'eau avec toi dans une poche à eau souple , savoir parfaitement s'orienter prendre un azimuth... il y a des puits dans le désert il faut connaitre leur position , donc un GPS c'est un excellent outil. Attention l'eau qu'on trouve dans les puits a parfois un goût d'eau salée. Ceci dit je ne conseillerais pas trop le gros risque c'est de se perdre et de se retrouver sans eau... Le plus important c'est de savoir s'orienter , prendre un azimuth, connaître son temps de marche...
Y'a t-il des endroits où il est interdit de camper (parc national...)
tu peux planter la tente partout au Maroc...
Finalement je vais pas aller au Maroc. Bonne continuation.
Pourquoi ? Ce que tu peux faire c'est avec une boussole et des réserves d'eau marcher un peu dans le désert mais évidemment sans s'éloigner des kilomètres à la ronde.. tu peux partir de Ouarzazate et garder la ville en visu , planter la tente à courte distance. Il y a des tas de ksours autour de Ouarzazate. Sinon il y a la Vallée du Draa je l'ai fait en solo. Mais je ne voudrais pas encourager des pratiques risquées si tu t'enfonces dans le désert c'est risqué encore une fois.. attention en hiver les nuits sont froides dans le désert.
quel est la situation au niveau sécuritaire à la frontière avec l'Algérie ?
attention la région est pleine de militaires
Ou trouver des cartes topographiques précises du Maroc utilisables en trek ?
A l'IGN à Paris ou Vieux Campeur il y a en quelques rares
y'a-t-il des possibilités d'acheter un âne sur place si oui à quel prix?
cela doit être possible mais il faut savoir le diriger et le motiver... et puis si tu vas dans le désert il faut connaitre les puits
c'est faisable mais il faut vraiment savoir ce que l'on fait. Si tu veux randonner dans le désert il faudra emporter de l'eau avec toi dans une poche à eau souple , savoir parfaitement s'orienter prendre un azimuth... il y a des puits dans le désert il faut connaitre leur position , donc un GPS c'est un excellent outil. Attention l'eau qu'on trouve dans les puits a parfois un goût d'eau salée. Ceci dit je ne conseillerais pas trop le gros risque c'est de se perdre et de se retrouver sans eau... Le plus important c'est de savoir s'orienter , prendre un azimuth, connaître son temps de marche...
Y'a t-il des endroits où il est interdit de camper (parc national...)
tu peux planter la tente partout au Maroc...
Finalement je vais pas aller au Maroc. Bonne continuation.
Pourquoi ? Ce que tu peux faire c'est avec une boussole et des réserves d'eau marcher un peu dans le désert mais évidemment sans s'éloigner des kilomètres à la ronde.. tu peux partir de Ouarzazate et garder la ville en visu , planter la tente à courte distance. Il y a des tas de ksours autour de Ouarzazate. Sinon il y a la Vallée du Draa je l'ai fait en solo. Mais je ne voudrais pas encourager des pratiques risquées si tu t'enfonces dans le désert c'est risqué encore une fois.. attention en hiver les nuits sont froides dans le désert.
quel est la situation au niveau sécuritaire à la frontière avec l'Algérie ?
attention la région est pleine de militaires
Ou trouver des cartes topographiques précises du Maroc utilisables en trek ?
A l'IGN à Paris ou Vieux Campeur il y a en quelques rares
y'a-t-il des possibilités d'acheter un âne sur place si oui à quel prix?
cela doit être possible mais il faut savoir le diriger et le motiver... et puis si tu vas dans le désert il faut connaitre les puits
bonsoir,
Tu aurais vécu une aventure dans le désert marocain avec des touaregs ????
Merci de nous faire savoir qui t'a fait croire à ces balivernes, les premiers touaregs habitent à 2000 ou 3000 kms de la !!!🙁🙁
c'est exact 😉
Tu aurais vécu une aventure dans le désert marocain avec des touaregs ????
Merci de nous faire savoir qui t'a fait croire à ces balivernes, les premiers touaregs habitent à 2000 ou 3000 kms de la !!!🙁🙁
c'est exact 😉
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Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada






