Trek Jiri/Everest et retour vers Tumlingtar
by Beajourbreiz
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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namaste,
j'envisage un trek au mois d'avril, départ de jiri vers le kala-pattar + vallée de gokyo par cho-la
si possible avec retour par lukla-tumlingtar.
Le retour par tumlingtar mi-mai ne risque t'il pas d'être un peu galère en cas de mousson précoce ?
ou pensez vous qu'il serait plus judicieux de commencer par tumlingtar et finir par jiri ?
merci pour vos réponses
Pas de probleme sur ces sentiers en mai. Un peu plus facile quand meme en partant de Jiri. Les 2 troncons ne te plairont que si tu aimes l'effort physique car beaucoup de dures et longues montees.
Bonjour,
Nous prévoyons de faire ce trek à partir de Khandbari (juste au-dessus de Tumlingtar) en passant par Kongde BC et Dudh Kund (2 antennes) en mai 2016 et pour un retour à Salleri et non Jiri. Itinéraires GPS trouvés en grosse partie. On se croisera peut-être.
4ème fois dans le Makalu Barun National Park, (3ème fois au printemps et fin de printemps). Sans avoir fait encore ce trek, il faut envisager des précipitations et de jours gris en basse altitude mais aussi des jours bien dégagés. Ce n'est pas la mousson qui n'arrive que fin juin au plus tôt ou plutôt juillet mais ça mouille quand même. Plus haut dans le Makalu, à cause de l'humidité et de la température douce, il y a pas mal de sangsues (jusque 2000m). Sur ce chemin, je m'en méfierai en marchant bien au milieu.
Perso, j'aurais plutôt fait le contraire comme dit plus haut. Mais c'est plus une question de goût que de météo. Tumlingtar/Bupsa/Namche/Gorakshep/Cho la/Gokyo/Namche/Jiri (ou Salleri ou Lukla selon la forme du moment bien que Lukla soit une petite galère).
OK, merci pour ces indications,
Ç’a devrait le faire si ce n'est pas encore la mousson avec les risques de crues et glissements de terrain... On verra pour le sens, c'est vrai que les longues descentes finissent par être plus fatigantes que les montées.
J'ai aussi lu sur certains post qu'il était possible d'éviter de s’acquitter du droit d'entrée pour le parc du Makalu puisque de toute façon ce ne sera pas vraiment notre destination pour cette fois.
Est-ce que quelqu’un aurait des précisions à ce sujet ?
Ce sera avec plaisir de se croiser à l'occasion.
Le bureau du PN est au centre de Bung. Il est sans doute possible de prendre des chemins qui l'evitent.
OK, merci pour ces indications,
Ç’a devrait le faire si ce n'est pas encore la mousson avec les risques de crues et glissements de terrain... On verra pour le sens, c'est vrai que les longues descentes finissent par être plus fatigantes que les montées.
J'ai aussi lu sur certains post qu'il était possible d'éviter de s’acquitter du droit d'entrée pour le parc du Makalu puisque de toute façon ce ne sera pas vraiment notre destination pour cette fois.
Est-ce que quelqu’un aurait des précisions à ce sujet ?
Ce sera avec plaisir de se croiser à l'occasion.
Oui, comme l'a dit Pierre, le poste de contrôle est à Bung, au centre du village. Des chemins permettent de l'éviter. J'ai pris le chemin principal, celui traversant le village : il y avait un panneau indiquant l'endroit où payer, sur un chemin partant à droite sur 100m depuis l'allée principale. J'ai continué tout droit. Je ne pense pas qu'ils pouvaient me voir depuis le poste et en tout cas je suis passé sans rien payer.
Oui, comme l'a dit Pierre, le poste de contrôle est à Bung, au centre du village. Des chemins permettent de l'éviter. J'ai pris le chemin principal, celui traversant le village : il y avait un panneau indiquant l'endroit où payer, sur un chemin partant à droite sur 100m depuis l'allée principale. J'ai continué tout droit. Je ne pense pas qu'ils pouvaient me voir depuis le poste et en tout cas je suis passé sans rien payer.
Pour des topos de treks et des informations précises sur les pays que j'ai visités, rendez-vous sur mon blog : https://treketvoyages.com/.
Il fonctionne comme un modeste guide de voyage et non comme un récit de voyage.
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ok merci, on fermera les yeux en passant devant le panneau 😉
Hello
Juste pour info, j'ai fais ce trek en Avril / Mai 2014. J'ai eu de la neige à gogo en arrivant au camp de base je voulais passer par le Cho la pour rejoindre Gokyo mais j'ai du abandonner l'idée car c'était impraticable et un peu dangereux en solo au vue de la neige qu'il tombait (et qui n'était pas trop prévue à ce moment là!)
C'est un trek magnifique alors profites bien :)
Juste pour info, j'ai fais ce trek en Avril / Mai 2014. J'ai eu de la neige à gogo en arrivant au camp de base je voulais passer par le Cho la pour rejoindre Gokyo mais j'ai du abandonner l'idée car c'était impraticable et un peu dangereux en solo au vue de la neige qu'il tombait (et qui n'était pas trop prévue à ce moment là!)
C'est un trek magnifique alors profites bien :)
merci pour l'info, j'avais déjà consulté le conte rendu de ton trek entre autres
(toujours utile le retour d'expérience, merci à tous)
je pensais bien que le cho la pouvait ne pas être praticable.
si c'est le cas, on passera plus bas par la vallée pour nous rendre à Gokyo, car je pense (vu les photos) que c'est une variante à faire.
ou louer les services d'un guide (si c'est possible après Namché ?)
juste pour le cho la si les conditions sont un peu juste, on verra sur place.
Le retour par tumlingtar mi-mai ne risque t'il pas d'être un peu galère en cas de mousson précoce ?
Non je ne pense pas en mai c'est pas vraiment la mousson.Il fait juste un peu chaud dans la partie basse de l'Arun Valley réputée pour être la plus chaude du pays. Mieux vaut faire ce trajet en majorité en descente plutôt que l'inverse! En tous cas tu ne rencontreras pas grand monde sur la partie Lukla Tumlingtar! Je n'avais vu personne mais c'était au début des années 90. Il n'y avait qu'un seul lodge sur le parcours mais on pouvait dormir partout( spartiatement!) chez l'habitant.
Non je ne pense pas en mai c'est pas vraiment la mousson.Il fait juste un peu chaud dans la partie basse de l'Arun Valley réputée pour être la plus chaude du pays. Mieux vaut faire ce trajet en majorité en descente plutôt que l'inverse! En tous cas tu ne rencontreras pas grand monde sur la partie Lukla Tumlingtar! Je n'avais vu personne mais c'était au début des années 90. Il n'y avait qu'un seul lodge sur le parcours mais on pouvait dormir partout( spartiatement!) chez l'habitant.
Bonjour,
en ce qui concerne le "TIMS",
il n'y a qu'une seule carte à obtenir pour l'ensemble du trek ?
Jiri- kala patar-Gokyo et Lukla-Tumlingtar tout sur la même carte ?
(+ entrées parcs : 3 dans mon cas si l'on compte le makalu)
Bonjour,
Selon moi,
- le TIMS est obligatoire pour le Khumbu. Il n'existe pas pour le Makalu (pas de d'administration du suivi des trekkeurs dans cette zone, au moins en 2015).
- deux entrées de parc à payer théoriquement, l'un pour le Khumbu (Sagarmatha) à Jorsale vers EBC obligatoirement et l'autre pour le Makalu sauf en évitant le poste de Bung (MBNP, théoriquement puisque très peu d'incursion dans le parc, le péage s'effectue normalement à Seduwa pour un trek dépassant Tashigaon pour aller au MBC) .
Ces 3 (2) démarches peuvent être effectuées sur la route. Sur la route de EBC, il faut vraiment le faire car il y a bp de contrôles. Prévoir quelques photos d'identité.
Je serais étonné qu'il y ait quelque chose légalement à payer entre Jiri et Jorsale puisque je n'y trouve pas trace de parc national. Sauf de faire payer en avance l'entrée au Parc de Sagarmatha comme il peut être fait aussi à KTM.
c'est donc ça, le poste de contrôle vers Shivalaya serait un pré contrôle
pour le parc de Sagarmatha ?
Bon, de toute façon, nous ferons les démarches à KTM pour le droit d'entrée du parc en même temps que nos TIMS.
Tiens il parait qu'ils offrent une carte SIM aux touristes à leur arrivée en ce moment.
Oui, j'ai lu ça. J'en achète une habituellement. une fortune: 100NRs (1USD), valable un an sans appel je crois. Ca évite les photocopies de passeport et de visa probablement. Il y a pas mal d'endroits où il n'y a pas de couverture. Par exemple, NCell s'arrête entre Khandbari et Num bien avant le début du trek... Après il faut un autre opérateur qui s'arrête à Tashigaon. Dés que le temps est couvert ou la nuit, perte de réception émission car l'antenne est alimentée par des panneaux solaires... La vraie sécurité c'est le téléphone satellite. J'y pense pour cette année, en location.
c'est donc ça, le poste de contrôle vers Shivalaya serait un pré contrôle
pour le parc de Sagarmatha ?
Non en venant de Jiri on traverse ( juste 1 petit km) le parc du Gaurishankar! ( c'est nouveau) j'y avais échappé à l'époque! Voir le récit de dolma63. On doit pouvoir y échapper en contournant mais j'avoue ne plus me souvenir du parcours exact! https://tripensac.wordpress.com/2015/06/14/trek-du-camp-de-base-de-leverest/
Non en venant de Jiri on traverse ( juste 1 petit km) le parc du Gaurishankar! ( c'est nouveau) j'y avais échappé à l'époque! Voir le récit de dolma63. On doit pouvoir y échapper en contournant mais j'avoue ne plus me souvenir du parcours exact! https://tripensac.wordpress.com/2015/06/14/trek-du-camp-de-base-de-leverest/
ha ok. Oui j'avais lu qu'elle ne s’attendait pas à devoir payer un droit de passage à cet endroit là,
bon on verra ...
J'avais aussi contourner 😊… en partant juste avant le lever du soleil, il n'y avait personne pour contrôler.
Normalement, si tu as déjà le permis du parc Sagarmatha et la carte TIMS, ils ne doivent pas de faire payer (ils vont peut-être essayer quand même). Par contre, si tu ne l'a pas fait à Kathmandou et que tu comptais payer ces permis à l'entrée du Sagarmatha, il va te falloir payer pour les deux parcs… même si tu n'y passe que pour une petite heure...
C'était comme ça en automne 2014 en tout cas.
Normalement, si tu as déjà le permis du parc Sagarmatha et la carte TIMS, ils ne doivent pas de faire payer (ils vont peut-être essayer quand même). Par contre, si tu ne l'a pas fait à Kathmandou et que tu comptais payer ces permis à l'entrée du Sagarmatha, il va te falloir payer pour les deux parcs… même si tu n'y passe que pour une petite heure...
C'était comme ça en automne 2014 en tout cas.
Pour des topos de treks et des informations précises sur les pays que j'ai visités, rendez-vous sur mon blog : https://treketvoyages.com/.
Il fonctionne comme un modeste guide de voyage et non comme un récit de voyage.
Pour me suivre en photo : https://www.instagram.com/julien_trek/
Pour me suivre en photo : https://www.instagram.com/julien_trek/
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Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada



