Bonjour,
Nous partons pour le Népal à la mi-octobre et avons l’intentionde faire un trek de 10 jours maximum.
Le trek serait de Lukla à Gokyo Ri. Nous avons pour le moment envisagé l’itinéraireque voici (avec des questions ):
J1 : Arrivée à Lukla et direction Phakding
J2 : Direction Namche Bazaar :
J3 : Journée d’acclimatation à Namche Bazaar (que fairependant cette journée ?)
J4 : Direction Dhole
J5 : Direction Luza ou Machhermo (quel village est leplus jolie ?)
J6 : Direction Gokyo Lake
J7 : Journée d’acclimatation à Gokyo Lake (que fairependant cette journée ?)
J8 : Direction Gokyo Ri et retour sur une des étapesprécédentes (Laquelle ? Avez-vousdes suggestions pour le retour ?)
Merci de commenter le circuit envisagé.
Par ailleurs, nous envisageons avoir un guide/porteur avecnous. Quelle est la meilleure manièrepour obtenir de tels services ?
Merci. Ldbg
Bonsoir,
Habituellement, à Gokyo, on profite de la journée pour monter à Gokyo ri. C'est une forme d'acclimatation puisque le soir se passe à la même altitude que la nuit précédente. Le jour libéré peut permettre un aller retour vers les lacs plus haut. Ou le contraire. Profiter de la journée la plus claire pour monter au Gokyo ri peut être une bonne solution. Je m'étais arrêté à Machermo. Il doit y avoir une route de chaque côté de la vallée donc pour revenir ça peut être une solution.
A Kathmandu pour guide porteur mais il faudra payer le transport. Je tenterais localement à Lukla, peu de risque mais je n'ai pas l'expérience.
Bonjour,
il s'agit de la rive gauche de la vallée: après avoir traverser, un peu sous Gokyo le Ngozumba glacier (suivre le chemin qui doit être bien marqué), on se retrouve à Gragnag. Il s'agit ensuite de descendre par Chhamtyang, Thore, Phortse (jonction avec la vallée menant vers Pangboche, Dughla, Kala patar où je suis passé en 2002) Retraverser pour aller sur la rive droite à ce niveau pour rejoindre Phortse Thanga, Namche bazar. Pour ce qui est des étapes, ça dépend de l'allure (je vais lentement et chargé (18kg) Gokyo Phortse 1 jour, Phortse Namche 1jour. J'avais fait Phortse Gokyo en un jour, dur pour moi mais dans le sens de la montée. En descente ça doit être tranquille.
Ton itinéraire et tes étapes me semblent correctes ;juste quelques explications et rectifications.
J3 : Journée d’acclimatation à Namche Bazaar (que fairependant cette journée ?)
Certains arrivent à Namche avec le mal des montagnes; on arrive rapidement à 3400m et donc la première chose est de ne pas forcer l'allure dans la montée à Namche même si vous vous sentez en forme.. le mal de tête se fait parfois sentir apès être arrivé!
Une fois à Namche, si vous n'avez pas mal à la tête le lendemain vous pouvez faire un aller -retour sur Thame ( allez voir le monastère)l'important est de dormir à la même altitude.
Si vous avez mal à la tête restez alités un maximum et buvez beaucoup.
Ne continuez votre trek que si vous vous sentez bien.
J4 : Direction Dhole
J5 : Direction Luza ou Machhermo (quel village est leplus jolie ?)
J6 : Direction Gokyo Lake
J7 : Journée d’acclimatation à Gokyo Lake (que fairependant cette journé
Tous ces villages se valent je ne les ai plus en tête. Faut savoir que les plus beaux villages du Khumbu se trouvent dans le Solu Khumbu avant Lukla quand on arrive à pied depuis JIRI.. Entre Lukla et Namche il y en a encore quelques uns d'intéressants mais à partir de Namche les villages sont surtout un conglomérat de lodges pour touristes ( comme Val Thorens par exemple dans nos Alpes) ce qui est beau au dessus de Namche c'est la montagne les "villages" ont peu d'intérêt..sauf les monastères dont certains sont de toute beauté!!
Idem pour Gokyo l'acclimatation ne veut pas dire ne rien faire c'est fonction de votre forme ..( l'important c'est de dormir le soir à la même altitude)Vous pouvez très bien monter au Gokyo Ri ( sommet à 5300m ou 5400m) le lendemain de votre arrivée à Gokyo ça se fait en une demie journée (entre 500 et 550m de dénivelé) à condition d'être en forme pour le faire..
Vous pouvez aussi faire ( le lendemain) une ballade (plus longue) en suivant vers le nord le glacier Ngozumba en longeant sa moraine et aller au 4 ième ou cinquième lac de Gokyo ( ça prend une longue journée suivant qu'on remonte plus ou moins loin dans la vallée)
J8 : Direction Gokyo Ri et retour sur une des étapesprécédentes (Laquelle ? Avez-vousdes suggestions pour le retour ?)
Vous ne rentrerez pas de Gokyo Ri ! Ri veut dire sommet il n'y a pas de lodge la haut! mais de Gokyo "village" à côté du lac où vous passerez 1 ,2 ou 3 nuits suivant ce que vous envisagez de faire à partir de Gokyo.
Le retour ça va plus vite vu que c'est tout en descente ou presque donc vous passerez les nuits à des étapes différentes de la montée .A noter que cette vallée ( de la Dudh Koshi) est très pittoresque!
Par ailleurs, nous envisageons avoir un guide/porteur avecnous. Quelle est la meilleure manièrepour obtenir de tels services ?
Je connais un porteur qui fera très bien office de guide : il accompagne les expés sur les 8000 du Khumbu. Il fait partie des rescapés de la dernière avalanche qui a tué une dizaine de Sherpas dans la montée à L'Everest. il habite un village à 1 heure de marche de Lukla et peut venir vous chercher à l'aérodrome. Son tarif: 15 euros/jour( valable pour 2 pers) soit 7,5 euros/pers/jour. Lui donner aussi un pourboire en fin de trek. Si ça vous convient je vous donne l'adresse mail pour contact. La personne à contacter: Pasang est une Népalaise vivant à Toulouse ;elle vous dirigera vers le porteur Lhakpa qui est le frère d'une de ses amies.
JM
Salut
J3- La montée jusqu'à 3400 m ayant été rapide il ne faut pas trop forcer ce jour là pour favoriser l'acclimatation, généralement on se contente de faire l'aller-retour jusqu'à Khumjung-Khunde juste au dessus de Namche ce qui fait très peu d'heures de marche mais permet d'atteindre 3900 m pour y rester quelques heures avant de redescendre. L'aller-retour jusqu'à Thame prend facilement 7h (avec arrêt déjeuner), un peu long pour bien s'acclimater.
J7- On ne parle plus vraiment d'acclimatation car vous ne dormirez pas plus haut. Généralement on fait soit Gokyo Ri, soit on remonte encore la vallée pour aller voir les lacs Ngozumpa et un point de vue lointain mais bien dégagé sur l'Everest.
J8 et plus : une autre possibilité est de faire les lacs Ngozumpa J7 et de faire plutôt le col Renjo La J8 pour redescendre ensuite par la vallée de Thame qui est très sauvage, ce qui évite de revenir par la même vallée. L'effort à fournir pour Gokyo Ri ou Renjo La est similaire et la vue quasi identique.
Si nous empruntons l'autre versant dans le descente, y a t-il des difficultés particulières? Par exemple, par rapport au glacier? Par rapport au sentier abrupte ou raide? Ou est-ce un sentier de randonnée tranquille?
Bonjour,
Je traverse pour la première fois le glacier face à Gokyo en novembre donc je n'en ai pas l'expérience. C'est en apparence très simple et il suffit de et faut suivre un chemin, non visible sur GE mais fort emprunté.
Pour le reste, j'avais parcouru sans difficulté en 2002 Phortse, Thare, Thore, Tshom Teng, jusque Karnasa (selon ma carte actuelle) chemin très visible et tranquille, puis, en ligne droite vers Gokyo traversée de la moraine assez isolée vers le chemin principal joignant Machermo à Gokyo. Sur cette traversée de rive gauche à rive droite je n'avais rencontré qu'un berger (et heureux de me faire confirmer ma direction) mais ce n'est pas le sujet puisqu'il s'agit de traverser le glacier 1 à 2km plus haut.
Pour le guide / porteur, tu peux voir avec Dolma EcoTourism, c'est une agence locale à caractère social (ils financent la scolarité d'enfants défavorisés) et sont super ! Ils organisent des treks dans cette région. Tu peux y aller de ma part (Yan Giroud from Switzerland).
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