Trajet de Sofia à Istanbul en train
by Citronelle14
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous,
Je vais me rendre à Sofia en janvier. De là, je souhaite rejoindre Istanbul. Pour éviter une nuit d'hôtel, je compte le faire par train de nuit, avec couchettes. Quelqu'un m'a parlé de l'orient express de Istanbul à Sofia, abordable et très confortable pour dormir. Après vérification, je crois qu'il s'agit de Bosphorus express (une des lignes de l'orient express si j'ai bien compris). Mais je n'ai rien trouvé pour Sofia vers Istanbul. Il y a des trains de nuit je pense, mais en réalité je vais voyager avec ma grand-mère et ai besoin d'être sûr au niveau du confort (pour dormir surtout). De plus l'orient express, ça me tentait bien comme idée. Est-ce que quelqu'un peut me renseigner sur ce trajet de nuit ? L'orient express fait-il bien Sofia-istanbul de nuit?
Merci à tous pour vos réponses :-)
Oubliez l'Orient-Express, devenu un train croisière de luxe, et les films d'agents secrets et de détectives. La réalité est plus prosaïque.
Il y a effectivement une relation quotidienne nocturne avec places couchées Sofia-Istanbul. Il s'agit du train 491, Belgrade-Istanbul ("Balkan-Express"). Il part de Sofia à 19 h 15 et arrive à Istanbul à 7 h 50. Attendez-vous à être réveillés en pleine nuit lors du passage de la frontière, je crois même qu'il faut descendre du train pour la vérification des passeports à Kapikule.
All Daag, lo geet mueres mäi Wecker. Äls éischt, gin ech da bei den Bäcker. Léif Madame, maacht mir séchs Mötchen dran. S'il vous plaît, parlez-vous pas français ?
Il s'agit bien d'une partie de l'ancien Orient-Express. Maintenant, il s'agit d'un train de nuit banal comme on en trouve encore beaucoup en Europe de l'Est. Il porte le nom, très original lui-aussi de: "Balkan-Express". Le train vient de Belgrade (avec des voitures en provenance de Budapest) et les wagons sont très peu confortables. Sauf erreur, la compagnie bulgare n'est plus en mesure de fournir des wagons-lits. Il ne reste donc plus que les couchettes (6 par compartiments) ou des simples sièges. Auparavant, il y avait un wagon-lit avec des compartiments de deux lits.
Il part de Sofia à 19h15 et arrive à Istabul à 07h50.
http://www.seat61.com/Turkey.htm
Il part de Sofia à 19h15 et arrive à Istabul à 07h50.
http://www.seat61.com/Turkey.htm
Sinon, il y a des bus Sofia-Istanbul. Je les ai vus, ils s'arrêtaient pour une pause après la douane à Edirne devant mon hôtel (cafétéria, WC et supermarché dans le même complexe que l'hôtel). Hôtel Arsanli à la sortie d'Edirne, sur la route avant la douane bulgare.
Mathilde
Bonjour,
Je voulais vous répondre à tous les trois...😕; j'espère que c bon ! Déjà Merci beaucoup.
Ah zut si ce n'est pas confortable... J'ai cru comprendre que les trains turcs sont très bien eux, dans l'autre sens. Pas de chance...
Du coup, je me demandais si je devais réserver pour les couchettes. Apparement les trains ne sont jamais pleins, mais pour les couchettes peut-être c'est préférable... Je ne sais pas si c'est vraiment possible, j'ai pas trouvé de site en fait.🤪
Et sinon quelqu'un saurait-il si de jour le trajet est plus court ou si c'est le même temps de trajet ?
Merci d'avance, bonne journée !
Et sinon quelqu'un saurait-il si de jour le trajet est plus court ou si c'est le même temps de trajet ?
Merci d'avance, bonne journée !
Sauf erreur, il y a un second train de nuit qui longe la côte (il ne passe donc pas à Sofia) et qui, lui, est nettement plus confortable. Ce sont des wagons roumains, les mêmes qui viennent jusqu'à Vienne (désolé... il fallait la faire). Ce sont des voitures en tout point semblables aux autrichiennes/croates/tchèques/hongroises (je vous passe les notions techniques).
Perso, je prendrais celui-là ou l'avion !
Perso, je prendrais celui-là ou l'avion !
A vrai dire, c'est le même train. La branche qui vient de Roumanie est rattachée au Balkan-Express à Dimitrovgrad. Il n'y a donc au final qu'un seul train qui passe la frontière et qui arrive à Istanbul à 7 h 50.
Aux dires des voyageurs allemands et autrichiens, la solution par la Roumanie (trajet entièrement Schengen jusqu'à la frontière turque) est plus fiable que la variante par la Serbie et Belgrade. Pour ce qui est du train 491 Belgrade-Istanbul, le gros de la composition se forme à Sofia.
All Daag, lo geet mueres mäi Wecker. Äls éischt, gin ech da bei den Bäcker. Léif Madame, maacht mir séchs Mötchen dran. S'il vous plaît, parlez-vous pas français ?
Le réseau bulgare n'est pas raccordé au système de réservation européen.
Il n'est donc pas possible de réserver à distance un train au départ de Sofia.
On peut réserver une place en voiture-lits dans la voiture Bucarest-Istanbul,
et occuper la place à partir de Dimitrovgrad. Rejoindre Dimotrovgrad au
départ de Sofia ne pose pas de problèmes.
Attention, travaux à Istanbul (Marmaray, tunnel sous le Bosphore) : la ligne va être coupée peu avant Istanbul et la gare de Sirkeci fermée. Le train s'arrètera peu avant Istanbul et le trajet final se fera en bus.
Attention, travaux à Istanbul (Marmaray, tunnel sous le Bosphore) : la ligne va être coupée peu avant Istanbul et la gare de Sirkeci fermée. Le train s'arrètera peu avant Istanbul et le trajet final se fera en bus.
Merci vraiment à tous pour vos réponses ! Ca me sera très utile. Je pense que je vais essayer de réserver deux lits pour la "seconde partie du trajet". Merci encore !
Bonjour, je réalise actuellement un projet dans le cadre de mes études sur l'Orient-express.
Pouvez-vous afin de m'aider dans mes réalisations répondre au questionnaire ci-dessous
http://www.sondageonline.com/live.php?code=c377286
En vous remerciant.
Le train part de quelle gare à Sofia ? (s'il en existe plusieurs)
J'ai lu dans des forums, que le train risque de faire de gros retards. Le problème se pose pour le retour, j'ai prévu de revenir à Sofia la veille de mon vol. Il est mentionné que le train arrive à Sofia vers 8h du matin (est-ce bien le cas ?), mon vol est à 15h (donc je dois y être à 13h) le train ne risquerait-il pas de faire plus de 4 heures de retard ? Ne serait-il plus prudent de prendre un bus de nuit ?
merci pour vos réponses.
J'ai lu dans des forums, que le train risque de faire de gros retards. Le problème se pose pour le retour, j'ai prévu de revenir à Sofia la veille de mon vol. Il est mentionné que le train arrive à Sofia vers 8h du matin (est-ce bien le cas ?), mon vol est à 15h (donc je dois y être à 13h) le train ne risquerait-il pas de faire plus de 4 heures de retard ? Ne serait-il plus prudent de prendre un bus de nuit ?
merci pour vos réponses.
Il y a des renseignements (datant du 19 mars 2012) d'horaires, de prix et sur le trajet partiel en bus ici : http://www.seat61.com/Turkey2.htm#Turkey - Bulgaria & Serbia
Kapikule est à la douane (près d'Edirne).
Kapikule est à la douane (près d'Edirne).
Mathilde
D'après le site, à partir de la frontière turque le transfert se fera dans des bus dans les terres turques. Je crois qu'il est préférable de prendre le bus dès le départ. Vous n'avez pas le site de compagnies de bus qui desservent la ligne ? Laquelle est la meilleure ? d'ou prendre ces bus ?
Je me demandais aussi s'il n'y avait pas des vols low coast entre les deux villes ?
Je me demandais aussi s'il n'y avait pas des vols low coast entre les deux villes ?
Comme je l'ai déjà dit, j'ai vu des bus bulgares dans mon hôtel à Edirne, mais c'était écrit le nom de la compagnie en cyrillique... alors là, fini, je ne comprends rien... 😕
Peut-être voir les horaires ici http://www.centralnaavtogara.bg/index.php#
A Istanbul, s'ils arrivent à la gare nommée Otogar, métro à côté à 2 TL le jeton pour le terminus en centre ville.
Peut-être voir les horaires ici http://www.centralnaavtogara.bg/index.php#
A Istanbul, s'ils arrivent à la gare nommée Otogar, métro à côté à 2 TL le jeton pour le terminus en centre ville.
Mathilde
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Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)




