la discussion "coups de coeur au Vietnam" post avatar Hysatis
comme on en était venu à parler des "Humanistes européens " qui partirent dans ces contrées lointaines envoyés souvent par leurs Ministères, mais aussi par choix, pour apporter leur soutien, leur aide, partager ce qu'ils savaient, faire part de leurs découvertes scientifiques à leur pays, j'ai pensé qu'il était sympa de parler de Henri Mouhot, trop souvent méconnu aujourd'hui
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surprise, ce soir l'émission traitant du Mékong, Mouhot à ouvert le voyage mais à aussi servi de référence et de fil d'ariane ...
un digne héritier de l'Humanisme européen après hésitations je tiens à nommer un de ses contemporains Henri Mouhot né en 1826 lequel entre 1858 et 1861 effectue trois expéditions dans l'intérieur du Siam et de l'Indochine où il découvre par hasard le site d'Angkor. Il est enterré à Luang Prabang, au bord de la Nam. (complément d'infos dans "Laos" en écho à la discussion à propos de Hmongs) (hysatis)
notes de Mouhot
"le 25 juille 1861t, j'arrivais à Luang Prabang, charmante petite ville qui, s'étendant sur un espace d'un mille carré, compte une population non de quatre-vingt-mille habitants comme le dit Mgr Pallegoix, ds son ouvrage sur le Siam, mais de sept à huit mille seulement. La situation est des plus agréables, les montagnes qui resserent le Mékong, au-desous comme au-dessus de cette ville forment une vallée circulaire, dessinant une arène de neuf milles de largeur, qui a du être jadis un bassin fermé, et encadrent un tableau ravissant, qui rappellent les beaux lacs de Come ou de Genève... la ville est bâtie sur les deux rives du fleuve, mais la partie droite ne compte que qques habitants. La partie la plus considérable entoure un mont isolé qui a cent et qques mètres de jauteur, et au sommet duquel on a établi une pagode. Si ce n'était par crainte des Siamois, et surtout des montagnes couvertes de jungles ooù réside la mort, cette principâuté tomberait vite entre les mains des Annamites, qui n'osent s'avance qu'à sept journée de marches à l'est.
Une charmante rivière de cent mètres de longueur opère sa jonction avec le fleuve à l'extrêmité nord-est de la ville, et conduit à quelques villages de Laotiens sauvages qui portent le nom de Tiê. Ces derniers ne sont autres que ces tribus appelées Prenoms par les Cambodgiens, Khâs par les Siamois, Moïs par les Annamites, mot qui n'ont d'autre signification que ...
Le 5 août, après dix jours d'attente, j'ai été enfin présenté au roi de Luang-Prabang avec une pompe mirobilante ...
Les Laotiens sont paisibles, soumis, patients, sobres etc ... s'en suit une description très intéressant sur le peuple, leurs mode de vie ...
A la date du 5 septembre finit le journal de voyage de M Mouhot. Jusqu'au 25 du mois d'octobre, il a toutefois continué de tenir fidèlement son registre métérologique, ... les dernières notes se bornent aux suivantes :
le 19 octobre, je suis atteint de la fièvre. le 29 "Ayez pitié de moi, ô mon Dieu !
cependant l'intrépide naturaliste ... ne paraît pas avoir conscience de sa fin prochaine, le 7 nobembre, le malade tomba dans un coma entrecoupé de délire. Le 10, à sept heures du soir, il n'était plus.
24 heures plus tard, et contrairement à l'usage du Laos, qui est de suspendre les cadavres au sommet des arbres et de les y abandonner, la dépouille mortelle de notre compatriote fut inhumée, selon le rite européen, par les soins de Phraï, et de Dong, son compagnon, qui tous deux, trois mois plus tard, rapportaient à Bangkok, avec les détails qui précèdent, les collections, les effets et les papiers de leurt maître.
aujourd'hui, si vous allez à Luang Prabang, n'hésitez pas, allez voir sa tombe sur les bords de la rivière, pour y accéder un petit chemin de terre dans un pan de forêt
dans une petite cabane, un cahier et un crayon incite le voyageur à écrire quelques mots ... joli moment à vivre 😉
Au mois de mai 1897, la Commission française envoyée de Saïgon atteignait Luang Prabang ...le commande de Lagrée, son chef écrivait en Europe :
Nous avons trouvé partout le souvenir de notre compatriote Mouhot, qui par sa droiture de son caractère et sa bienveillance naturelle, s'est acquis l'estime et l'affection des indigènes ... (p.308)
En terminant ce récit dans le Tour du Monde ns formulons encore un voeu : c'était que l'Angleterre dont les musées ont reçu les collections qui ont coûté la vie au voyageur, - que la France, à laquelle il a montré et ouvert le chemin du Cambodge - lui élevasse à frais communs un modeste, mais durable moinument, dans le cimetière chrétien de Bangkok, où ss doute il est allé rêvé plus d'une fois, et dont la brillante végétation réunit sous une ombre propice la plupart des objets spéciaux de ses études : les fleurs, les insectes et les oiseaux des tropique ?
Ce souhait a été exaucé et au-delà. Le momunument que ns demandions pour MMouhot lui a été élevé par des compatriotes, non loin sur le rivage qui fut le point de départ de ses découvertes, mais aux lieux mêmes où il est tombé eyt où il repose : à 5000 lieues de sa patrie, à 400 du point le plus rapproché qh'habite un Européen
Son corps a été inhumé à trois kilomètres de Luang Prabang, sur les bords de la Nam-Kam, auprès du village de Naphao. J''ai demandé l'autorisation d'élever sur sa tombe un modeste monument qui attestât notre hommage et conservât sa mémoire dans le pays.
"Le roi a accédé à son désir avec le plus bienveillant empressement et à voulu fournir tous les matériaux du monument ...
à chaque fois que je vais à Luang >Prabang je vais lui rendre visite, et je lui apporte quelques fleurs de lotus, achetée au marché ! le long du Mékong;
proposition de quelques lectures ...
Henri Mouhot
Voyage dans les Royaume de Siam, de Cmbodge, de Laos et autres parties centrales de l'Indo-Chine
collection Olizane
(son histoire et ses notes, son journal de bord)
Angkor
Angkor, la forêt de pierre de Bruno Dagens coll. Découvertes Gallimard
Angkor de Marilia Albanese de National Geographic
Un pélerin à d'Angkor, biblioteca asiatica ed. KailasH
Costumes et parures khmèrs d'après les Devatad'Angkor-Vat par Melle Sapho Marchal ed. l'Harmattan
André Malraux Lavoie royale ed. livre de poche
Clara Malraux Nos vingt ans ed. Les cahiers rouges chez Grasset
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
justement j ai fais une rapide sur Google et Amazon (ou le livre est disponible)
etj ai trouvé un excellent site ou l on peut recuperer des livres anciens au format PDF
et on peut downloader le livre de H.Mouhot
" Voyage dans les royaumes de Siam, de Cambodge, de Laos et autres parties centrales de l'Indo-Chine (1858-1861) " ***
qui a l air tres agreable à lire 😛 je viens de commencer :) sa lecture(je pense que ce post devrait etre deplacé sur la section livre, car de nombreux VFistes sont passionnés par les livres...)
Ne pas oublier cependant que la France de l époque n a jamais soutenue Henri Mouhot dans son expédition et que c est d Angleterre qu il est parti, avec le soutien moral de la Société Royale de Géographie de Londres en 1858 .
Henri Mouhot est souvent présenté comme le découvreur d'Angkor.
"En fait le premier Européen à signaler l’existence des monuments d’Angkor au XIXème siècle ne fut d’ailleurs pas le célèbre botaniste Henri Mouhot comme on le dit trop souvent, mais un missionnaire français, le père Bouillevaux, établi à Battambang, alors sous la juridiction des Thaïs."… (1)
(1) Extrait du livre "Angkor résidences des dieux", de C. Jacques et M. Freeman. Editions Olizane. Le Père Charles-Emile BOUILLEVAUX (1823/1913)
Il vivait entre Bangkok et Battambang. Ce fut "Le premier touriste à Angkor". Ses descriptions, publiées en France en 1857, (Voyage en Indochine 1848-1856, "L'Annam et le Cambodge") serviront à Henri Mouhot... Henri MOUHOT
Naturaliste et explorateur français, en mission pour la British Royal Géographique Society, Mouhot fut le premier occidental à vanter auprès du grand public les merveilles d'Angkor (1861). Ses descriptions publiées en France dans le journal le "Tour du Monde" et la "Bibliothèque Rose" après sa mort au Laos firent sensation.
Un livre anglais sur le royaume de Siam lui donna l'idée de visiter cette contrée lointaine. Mouhot soumit d'abord ses projets de voyage à une société française, mais fut éconduit. Il s'adressa alors au gouvernement de Napoléon III, qui lui refusa le passage gratuit sur ses vaisseaux. Moins dédaigneuses, les sociétés de géographie et de zoologie de Londres lui prêtèrent leur puissant appui. Sur un navire à voiles, il gagna Singapour, puis Bangkok. De ce premier voyage d'entraînement qui fut de courte durée, il rapporta de riches collections (insectes nouveaux, coquilles terrestres et fluviales inédites) qu'il envoya en Angleterre.
Quelques mois plus tard, reparti pour Chantaboum sur le golf de Siam, il s'avança plus avant dans l'intérieur. En Janvier 1860, Il arriva à Angkor-Vat, l'ancienne capitale du royaume Khmer. Mouhot restera le véritable inventeur des ruines grandioses de cette cité mystérieuse, car le Père Bouillevaux, un missionnaire qui les avait vues avant lui, n'en avait pas compris la magnificence.
salut flipflop ! c'est un livre document ! nombreux ont été des "Henri Mouhot" la plupart des scientifiques, l'histoire européenne est rienche en ce domaine ! on les retouve sur tous les Continents ! de quoi nous faire une belle bibliothèque 😉 et un Savoir qui fait du bien !!!
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
tout à fait d'accord avec toi, et hier lorsque j'ai entendu le leitmotiv Henri Mouhot découvreur d'Angor", j'ai sursauté ! Angkor la forêt de pierre, le chapitre II est ouvert par une note du journaliste Vivien de Saint-Martin dans "le tour du monde" 1863 titre du chapitre "Le "découvreur" photographie représentant les "premières pages d'Angkor en Europe, les dessins de Mouhot traduits par les graveurs.
Il est indéniable que les dessins de Mouhot ont été et sont toujours une mine d'information et d'émerveillement, témoignage d'un "passionné, qui dessine et qui peint et même qui photographie - hélas pas en Asie;" p.36
Ses dessins seront publiés dans la revue du "Tour du Monde" éditeurs de ses Carnets. Pour répondre aussi à l'aide morale apportée par l'Angleterre, "la plupart des descriptions minutieuses préparées par ce naturaliste précis seont purement et simplement envoyées aux oubliettes de l'édition anglaise".
Mémoires sur les coutumes du Cambodgejede Tcheou Ta-Kouan "surnom Ts'ao-t'ing yi-min, était originaire de Yong-kia au Tchö-kiang (pour les cinéphiles 😉). En 1296-1297, il accompagna une ambassade chinoise qui passa au Cambodge près d'une année. Au retour de Chine, il rédigea son ouvrage ... avant 1312, il vivait encore en 1346.
présentation du livre par l'éditeur
"Même si le livre des Mémoires, tel que nous l'avons, n'est pas complet, il offre un intérêt exceptionnel. Les récits des pélerins bouddhistes, en particulier ceux de Hian-tsang, ont fait apprécier de bonne heure la fidélité minitieuse avec laquelle les voyageurs chinois tenaient leurs carnets de route. Tchéou- Ta-kouan a visité le Cambodge encore en pleine propérité et en donne une image exacte et vivante. La décadence était toute proche : les Siamois arrivaient ..."
éditeur Librairie d'Amérique et d'Orient, Adrien Maisonneuve 11, rue de Saint Sulpice, 3ème place de la Sorbonne, Paris. seules les 40 premières pages sont d'abord facile mais précieuses d'informations qd on pense qd elles ont été rédigées 😉😉😉
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
Bonjour
Je recommande également la lecture des "Mémoires sur les coutumes du Cambodge" de Tcheou Ta-Kouan. On apprend beaucoup de choses sur le mode de vie et les traditions des habitants du Cambodge de cette époque (vers 1296).
Il s'agit d'un rare témoignage (peut-être le seul ?) sur les coutumes de cette époque qui nous reste aujourd'hui.
une excellente idée de donner ce lien. je ne le connaissais pas ! le livre coûtait en 1999, 30 euros. J'ai omis de dire que c'est un surperbe travail de traduction effectué par Monsieur Paul Pelliot, sinologue, linguiste, et ds la note Avertissement on apprend que sa traduction "diffère de celle publiée dans le Bulletin de l'Ecole Française d'Extrême-Orient ...".
je suis très contente que ce lien existe ! je constate ! que les paragraphes intitulés "les sauvages" et "les provinces" n'apparaissent pas ; j'aimerai bien savoir pourquoi ce choix ? car l'un et l'autre forment un tout indissociable avec les autres ; j'aimerai les reproduire dans cette discussion, qu'en pensez-vous ?
éliane
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
C'est un Chinois qui as le premier laisse un texte sur Angkor. J'ai oublie son nom mais une recherche rapide sur google devrait donner des resultats. Le conservatoire de France a decouvert enormement de site. Maintenant Angkor est gere par une societe Japonaise il me semble.
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j'ecrit sur clavier américain désolé pour les accents...
extrait du site angkor online
Divers missionnaires espagnols et portugais à partir de 1550 ont sejournés au cambodge
Diego do Couto : est l'auteur d'une précise description d'Angkor Vat écrite vers 1550 mais qui ne fut publiée qu'en 1958 !
Diégo de Couto parle d'une "ville dont on avait perdu même le souvenir" : Au cours d'une chasse à l'éléphant "dans les forêts les plus épaisses", les gens du roi, "battant la brousse, donnèrent sur des constructions importantes, envahies à l'intérieur par une brousse exubérante"... "Le roi, frappé d'admiration, décida sur-le-champ d'y transporter son cou".
Le Dominicain portugais Gaspar de Cruz séjourne au Cambodge en 1556.
Au XVII° un pèlerin japonais dessine le premier plan connu d'Angkor Vat. Ce plan sera découvert au Japon en 1911
Le père Charles-émile Bouillevaux (1823/1913)
Il vivait entre Bangkok et Battambang. Ce fut "Le premier touriste à Angkor". Ses descriptions, publiées en France en 1857, (Voyage en Indochine 1848-1856, L'Annam et le Cambodge) serviront à Henri Mouhot...
bonsoir Noé ! j'en ai parlé dans la discussion, lis un peu plus haut ; j'en avais déjà parlé il y a quelques mois. (MP) contente de te revoir sur le site et de te rencontrer dans cette discussion 😉
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
je te cite "l'Anam et le Cambodge serviront à Mouillot, tu mets des points de suspension peux-tu mettre la suite STPlaît car pour moi c'est l'essentiel 😉 et pourquoi ton message est-il illisible à l'oeil nu et qu'il faille cliquer pour le lire 😉 est-ce sevret ? !!
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
Mouillot est le "decouvreur" du site mais beaucoup d'archeologues sont venus sur le site : notament a Beng Malea Lea (j'ecris toujours le nom de ce site avec des fautes attention) Decouvert par Jean de Mecquenem (je crois). Ce site est toujours exceptionnel : si vous voulez etre un peu Indiana Jones... C'est beaucoup mieux que les sites d'Angkor. 😉
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j'ecrit sur clavier américain désolé pour les accents...
Jean de Mecquenem est cité dans le livre de Maurice Glaize (Les monuments du groupe d'Angkor) comme ayant effectué des travaux de recherches en 1913 au Beng Méaléa.
Le Beng Méaléa est à environ 60 km de Siem Reap (en tuktuk il faut environ deux heures). Non compris dans le pass pour la visite des temples du site d'Angkor. En Décembre 2006 il fallait payer 5 $.
bonjour Noé, dans une autre discussion dont je t'ai parlé récemment 🤪 j'ai dis que le mot "découvreur" m'interpellait (gênait) terme qui a été repris par Nicolas Hulot dans l'émission de mercredi dernier (je ne retrouve + cette discussion : ce n'est pas moi qui l'avais ouverte.
à ++ 😉😉😉
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
Ce site est superbe : un pont avec des tetes de lions, la jungle encore presente il y a 2 ans 1/2... Je ne vous mets pas de photos. Je l'ai fais en moto avec un guide : super...😉 Rien a payer . A l'etree c'etait "up toooo you" : j'ai volontairement donne 5 $ (c'etait beaucoup mais je n'avais pas de billet plus petit et je me suis bien ballade partout) et le guide etait aux anges (orkun orkun...) (je l'ai peut etre deforme... 😉)
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Bonjour,
Je voulais visiter le matin les plantations avec getyourguide ou en étant sur place
Combien de temps prévoir réellement ?
Je voulais reprendre un bus soit celui de 15h ou celui de 17h pour KL
Merci
Hi! I’d like to split my trip into two parts: 15 days in Phuket and 15 days in Krabi. Do you know if I can rent a car and drop it off in Krabi when I fly back to France?
Thanks for your feedback!
Have a great Sunday!
Martine
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hello,
After 1 night in Khao Sok, I’d like to find a 2 Days 1 Night package on the lake.
After reading a lot, I decided to "break the bank" and treat ourselves to a private tour—mainly to avoid the crowds.
But after contacting several operators, they offer "private tours" that are very expensive (around 700 €), yet in the details, the boats can only leave from the pier at 10 AM like everyone else. (I was hoping to leave much earlier.) The morning program is the same for everyone too (private or not). They drop us off at noon at our floating hotel (I’d chosen Phupha Waree). Free afternoon (swimming or kayaking in front of the hotel). We head back by boat for a 1-hour sunset ride. And the next morning, we leave the hotel at 8 AM to be at the pier by 9:30 AM at the latest—end of the trip.
So basically, we’re paying a lot for a private tour just to do the same thing as everyone else at the same time.
Or maybe I just had bad luck in my search.
I contacted Panida Ladi, who’s very popular on forums. We’d agreed on a private tour that matched my request (departure from the pier at 8 AM, very personalized itinerary). We settled on the itinerary and price, she asked for a Wise transfer for a 30% deposit, confirmed receipt of the deposit. Then 30 minutes later, she messaged me to say she was canceling everything because it was impossible to do the requested tour—and promised a quick refund of my deposit.
So here’s my question: Who’s done a *real* private tour on this lake? Who can recommend a reliable agency? Is it even really possible to do a private tour here?
Hi,
I wanted to get some info about the cable car and the bridge—I see lots of different options...
How much time should we allow for these two activities? If we arrive around 4 PM, will we have enough time to visit without rushing?
Thanks
I’m searching for a real gem for my 3rd stay in Koh Lanta: a lovely, high-quality hotel right by an easily accessible beach in a lively spot.
If you know of anything that fits what I’m looking for and want to share, don’t hesitate!
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Hi dear community,
I'm planning to visit Cambodia this winter, right after Christmas, for my first solo trip and my first trip to Asia. For two weeks (yes, I know it's short, but I really can't do more...). I have two main desires: Siem Reap and the countryside, the villages, the Mekong...
What do you think of this itinerary? Arrival in Siem Reap, departure from Phnom Penh.
SR: 5 days (1 day for arrival, 3 for the temples, 1 for the lake and its villages)
Kratie (stop on the way to Mondolkiri): 3 days (1 day of travel, 2 days there)
Mondolkiri/Sen Monorom: 4 days (1 day of travel, 1 day there, 2 days of treks)
PP: 3 days (1 day of travel, 2 days of sightseeing)
I think I need to cut one day somewhere if I travel from Saturday to Saturday or Sunday to Sunday. In Kratie, maybe? Or in PP? And I'll miss the boat trip that everyone recommends (SR-Battambang), but I don't see where to fit it in. Unless I do a PP-PP loop starting in the east, skip Kratie or just stay one night, then SR, then PP.
In my timing, Mondolkiri seems closer than Ratanakiri, which also tempted me a lot! Will it be too complicated alone? I'm thinking of using local guides or a small local agency for a nature and village getaway.
I've read that Siem Reap is very crowded between Christmas and New Year's. I could also do the circuit in the opposite direction. But I thought it would be easier to get familiar with the country by arriving in a touristy area—I might be wrong...
Thanks for your advice and opinions!
Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices?
Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis?
What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc.
Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it?
Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like?
We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip?
I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!