Who really loves India?
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FA
hi,

sorry for the accents, I’m in Dubai right now. I just got back from India after a short 10-day trip to the Golden Triangle (Delhi-Jaipur-Agra).

I noticed a lot of hippie-style Anglo-Saxon tourism. Sure, there’s the change of scenery, the temples, the Taj Mahal, and the low cost of living, but personally, all I saw was: misery, filth, chaotic traffic, non-stop honking, diarrhea despite eating at restaurants recommended in the *Routard* and *Lonely Planet* guides, noise, lots of homeless people, delayed trains with uncomfortable first-class carriages, pushy vendors, rickshaw drivers, and beggars, humid heat, dust, nothing worth bringing back, no sidewalks so you’re constantly on edge, questionable hygiene in hotels and restaurants, and locals who treat visitors like cash cows.

So my question: What do people really love about India for those who go multiple times, especially on the same circuit?

Personally, I think it’s just the fact that you can spend without worrying about your budget, and that’s what attracts the French during this period of low purchasing power.
SU Sungatsby ·
actually, you just seem put off by the tourists you met there

I only know South India—I don’t know if “love” is the word, but being called out, amazed, shaken up in your usual ways—that’s really what makes traveling in India worthwhile. The history, the art—that can also keep the interest going, right? There’s still plenty to explore. I think you’re just having a little slump 😉😉😉

cheers
ST Stalingrad Globetrotter ·
Why do people love India? You’d need a psychoanalysis to answer that properly… I’m only half-joking. 😉 Why didn’t you like India? The reasons you give show you just didn’t click with the people, their way of life, their qualities (and their flaws). You’re totally entitled to feel that way. But the deeper reasons why you didn’t enjoy your trip are just as hard to pin down as answering your question. Part of the answer (just part of it) can be found in the excellent book "Crazy About India."

A sense of freedom: thanks to the exchange rate and cost of living, of course, but also because once you’re on Indian soil, there’s barely any control. Transportation, accommodation, and food options are endless and varied. Hardly any aggression toward travelers—unlike Indians, who are "trapped" in their groups (caste, family, social circle, etc.), we’re "untouchable" in the opposite way. When traveling, you’re (partly) freed from French social constraints.

The feeling of traveling through both space and time. As you overcome challenges and get used to Indian society, you get the impression of winning small victories over yourself every day.

Discovering other customs, religions, or philosophies helps you step back and put your own into perspective. And after a few years, you realize that beneath the veneer of a different culture, people are the same from Brest to Kanyakumari (they share the same core values).

In many places, an art and joy of living that makes you want to share it (even if most Indians have to spend a lot of energy just to earn enough to live—or even survive).

Etc., etc.

Normally, your question should spark some reactions. 😉
EL Elconcombre Veteran ·
hi there

about India, I saw the same things—the poverty, the dirt, the beggars, the rickshaws that won’t leave you alone, the pollution... I had an upset stomach, even spent two days and two nights in two different hospitals (not for me, though...), ran into shady people, took trains that were 3 or 4 hours late, slept in sketchy rooms where the lazy fan just stirred hot, humid air, the mosquitoes, the insane traffic, the horns that drilled into my eardrums... guys tried to scam me out of a few dozen rupees, push stuff on me I neither needed nor wanted... I saw tourists who had zero respect for the Indian way of life, zero respect for the culture or religion, acting like they owned the place... people in shorts trying to get into temples and yelling when they weren’t allowed in... and even me, dressed "decently," sometimes couldn’t enter certain temples either...

but... but none of that stopped me from being fascinated by this country, from really falling in love with it. And while I kept my distance and maintained my Western perspective, I genuinely loved this trip. It changed me. Because India *is* that: it provokes extreme reactions. There’s no "meh" in India, no half-measures. It’s a massive country, so full of contrasts... the south, the north, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Tamil Nadu, or Goa... Rameswaram or Bangalore... the feeling of having seen multiple countries in one...

and the struggles fade from memory (only coming up now and then with a smile...) to make room for the amazing memories... those fleeting encounters, the landscapes, those moments where you get to live a little differently... I’ve rarely felt as free as I did during those few months of travel. And that freedom wasn’t just about the cost of living (seriously, who cares about purchasing power in France when you’re in the Thar Desert, facing the Taj Mahal, on the ghats of Varanasi, or on the backwaters of Kerala...). It was so much more about the novelty surrounding me, even when it was tough... freedom comes at a cost...

if your experience was negative, I genuinely appreciate you sharing it... it’s part of the picture. For the travel experience to be complete, there’s room for everyone! Each person adds their own touch, their own color...

and most of all, give yourself a little chance to change your mind... don’t decide that India will never offer you anything more than poverty and pollution...

happy travels (anyway!)
AI Airline Regular ·
Good evening, I’d say you can feel both a strong attraction and a strong repulsion. After returning, I think it takes a while to figure out which one wins out. At first, you only remember the harsh aspects of this country of extremes—poverty, dirt, suffocating smells, overcrowding, noise—and then, little by little, those memories fade, and other, completely opposite sensations come back: different scents like fragrant incense, jasmine, or the beauty of temples and certain architecture that you might not have noticed clearly at first. The breathtaking landscapes stretching as far as the eye can see, the deserts, the silence, and the powerful presence of nature (animals or flora). What I loved was the energy of the Indian people, their will to survive, and a certain optimism despite everything. The perpetual surprise in the streets, where something is always happening. The incredible presence of spirituality too.

If you’ve just come back and are readjusting to our easier ways of life, it’s normal to feel these negative sensations. In a few months, you might even want to go back—or maybe not—but for now, you’re still too "in the moment." What’s certain is that India is a country that *shakes you up*...
AG Agoa ·
Hi!

I’ve been going to India since 1975, and now I spend 3 months there every year! I love India for all the things you’ve mentioned that are so different from Western countries... It’s as simple as that!

Have you noticed the beautiful smiles of Indian children, even though they’re so poor? They smile anyway!

Go back—you’ll understand!

Best,

Michel
SA Sara70 ·
Hi, I got back from India a few days ago. At first, especially in the beginning, I had the same impression as you—dirt, noise, dust. So much so that I considered cutting my trip short. In the end, I didn’t. It’s true that I saw some amazing things: beautiful landscapes, stunning temples, and lovely people.

I loved: Kerala and the backwaters, Hampi, Pondicherry, Mumbai, and the little train to Ooty. I hated: Madurai, Thanjavur, and Chennai.

As for the people, contrary to other comments, I found them sad and fatalistic. The kids smile like kids everywhere, but most of them are forced to work. Honestly, I don’t think they’re happy. It’s a very unjust country, where you see no signs of progress or development—no new roads being built, no new infrastructure. Everything feels old, like nothing has been done in 30 years. And yet, we hear about the "Indian miracle"—I didn’t see it.

I still have good memories from the trip, and I don’t regret going, but I’m not sure I’d want to go back.
FA Fakelefteye ·
mooiiii Well, that’s exactly why I travel: to feel out of place, see how others live, and realize how lucky we are to have enough to live on—unlike those poor people who harass us. It’s true that in the end, it’s annoying that everyone harasses us, but hey, it’s like "rich" is written on our foreheads... As agoa said, those poor kids with their beautiful smiles—they might be poorer in money, but they’re richer inside. I just got back, and I mostly saw French tourists. I think dressing *baba cool* is more about blending in with the locals because wearing shorts, a camera around your neck, and tank tops for girls—you *will* get harassed more! Also, I noticed (maybe it’s a coincidence) that if I didn’t have a bag and wore a Punjabi, I got harassed way less (almost not at all).

I love the people—they’re really nice and welcoming, not aggressive. I find the driving hilarious, honestly! You *do* risk your life crossing the road, but drivers are so used to avoiding pedestrians and everything else on their path that you just have to relax—it’s *us* who aren’t used to it!

The beauty of the Taj Mahal almost made me cry! Unfortunately, I didn’t make it to Rajasthan.

As for hotels, if you pay French prices—like 40 € a night—you’ll find them very comfortable, even luxurious! If you pay cheap, well, you get what you pay for!

But I think you didn’t enjoy it because of the heat. I just got back from Delhi too—we actually went to Kerala, and it was much less oppressive. On the way back to Delhi, I thought I’d stop in Jaipur before heading home, but once I got to Delhi, I started getting tired of the harassment. I was exhausted, and I think it was because of the heat. When I got back to France, I regretted not staying a little longer!
MA Marcomarco Veteran ·
we don’t see any sign of progress or development—no new roads being built, no new infrastructure. Everything’s old, and it feels like nothing’s been done in 30 years, even though we hear about the "Indian miracle." I sure didn’t see it.

Well, there are hotels with pools... Terrible
RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
Same here.

I was in Paris a few days ago: Eiffel Tower, Champs-Élysées, and Parvis Notre-Dame.

It was hell.
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
MO Momo2 Regular ·
The reasons you didn’t like India are actually right there in your question: time. You can’t appreciate this country on a 10-day itinerary! On my first trip, it took me about a week just to acclimate, and on top of that, I don’t think you did the best of Rajasthan—you missed Jaisalmer, Udaipur... cities that are human-scale and truly charming. As for accommodation, if you’d been willing to pay what you’d pay in France, you’d have gotten high-end places with people looking after you like royalty ;). Like I always say, a trip to India takes preparation, study—you’ve got to love the history of civilizations and be ready for a journey that won’t always be a walk in the park. You don’t just end up here by flipping through a catalog between Izmir and Majorca, haha!
SE Serendipita7 ·
“Poverty,” “so many homeless people,” “pushy beggars”: India has one of the poorest populations in the world. Weren’t you aware? Hard to ignore, though…

I get that it can feel uncomfortable at first, that you might feel like a voyeur. On your first day in India, you feel like a spectator, and what you see isn’t a show at all.

But once you move past that stage, the real discovery begins—and what you take away has nothing to do with the degrading list you’ve made. Cultures, a history, ways of life, and systems of thought that are thousands of years old, with extreme sophistication and rare refinement. Friendly, cheerful people. A breathtaking cultural and architectural heritage. Stunning landscapes. An unforgettable experience of “the other.” How can anyone stay indifferent to all that? Unless you arrive loaded with prejudices and ethnocentrism.

India doesn’t give up its beauty and grandeur without effort—it has to be earned. Discovering it requires wanting to understand what isn’t obvious at first glance.

You’re entitled not to like it and to prefer Club Med-style resorts with sterile bungalows, but please, don’t discredit an entire country and nation that you clearly don’t understand and haven’t even tried to.

NO, the locals don’t see “visitors as cash cows.” Some, whether in need or not, take advantage of tourists’ money—it happens everywhere, more or less visibly. And if we have enough money to travel, which is a privilege you don’t seem to appreciate, we have to accept that. It’s a small price to pay for our freedom and privileges. Otherwise, the vast majority of people in the country just live their lives, like you and me in France, and couldn’t care less about tourists. Here, like anywhere else, get this into your head: as a tourist, you’re not the center of the world or everyone’s attention. Thank goodness!

Not content with badmouthing the country and its people, you’re also venting your anger at Western tourists who come and go. If you really think we love India because we can “spend without counting,” then you’ve missed the point entirely.

Seriously, what are you even doing on this forum? Forget about India, Indians, and everyone like me who’s interested in the country, its people, and their cultures—they’ll be grateful!

“Just as we care for the members of our body, why not care for all people as parts of humanity?” (His Holiness the Dalai Lama).
MA Marcomarco Veteran ·
Thanks! 😎 Finally, you saved me some ink in this eternal "pros and cons of India" debate. As long as this forum exists, there will always be people who come to "complain" about this country, but that’s just how it is—everyone has their own perspective on things... It might even be a good thing: India will never be overrun by tourists as long as there are other "fun" destinations (Club Med and the like, as you said). You can understand the culture shock someone feels when they arrive for the first time—we’ve all experienced it to some degree—but a short 10-day trip, maybe on a Goa beach... 😎 Otherwise, it’s pretty superficial.

At least it gives us a chance to talk about it 😉. And those who love it don’t keep count.
BA Bamboo06 ·
Isn’t it a bit too easy to say that if you don’t like India, it’s because you prefer Club Med? 😅

Personally, I’ve never been to Club Med. I travel once or twice a year, have been doing so for 15 years, mostly as a backpacker, and mainly in Asia. During my trip to India three years ago—specifically in the south—I came back saying "never again." My husband, on the other hand, loved it… even though we took the same trip.

It took me ages to even consider going back, but I’m finally ready. It’s not on the agenda this year, but three years later, I can return. This time, it’ll probably be Rajasthan for three weeks, taking my time to "soak it all in," even if it means not seeing everything… and maybe going back again.

Yes, you can come back from India feeling overwhelmed, depressed, outraged, or even sickened—without being a Club Med fan or anything like that… and even if you were, so what? Everyone deserves happiness ;) It’s crazy how travel doesn’t always make people more tolerant… 😜
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MA Matrem ·
Hey everyone,

I just got back from India—I landed yesterday.

Result: I really loved it.

But now I understand why people say you either love India or hate it, and for me, it was a fine line. It’s not the most beautiful country I’ve visited, it’s not the cleanest (far from it), and it’s not where the weather was best, etc.... Yet it’ll probably be the country I appreciated the most and the one that left the biggest mark on me.

Why? The Indians in general. I’ve never talked to so many locals in the countries I’ve visited. I’ve never had so many genuine conversations with people from a "poor" country I was traveling through—so many opportunities to discover a country, a culture, a way of life.

I was in Thailand 8 months ago. It’s a country I really like—I’ve been there three times—but... Compared to India, everything there is more beautiful, cleaner, cheap, and the welcome is amazing. But everything felt so sanitized and so tailored to tourists that even while backpacking, I felt like I was at Club Med and, in the end, didn’t really connect with Thai culture.

Anyway, I think we could talk about this kind of thing for hours.

The question: *Who really loves India?* Well, there’s *liking* it, and then there’s *love*—and love is subjective. Everyone has the right to love or not love a place.
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MA Marcomarco Veteran ·
Basically, I think India is all about certain principles and values you won’t find ANYWHERE else. There’s "curiously" a "category" of travelers for whom it’s a UNIQUE AND EXCEPTIONAL destination. Now, explaining why is a long story—there are hundreds, even more posts on this forum where people like Stalingrad, Nalesnik, and many others regularly share their experiences. We’re not all the same, thankfully—everyone has their own sensitivities and subjective perspective.

But spending 10 days versus several months—it’s not the same at all. Going to India "prepared" or by chance isn’t either. Some people… cry when it’s time to leave. Others, once they’re "home," can’t wait to come back as soon as possible. Generally, that doesn’t happen after just 10 days (often the opposite—check the travel journals or some blogs).

As for Club Med… yeah, it’s a much more popular option for people who just want to enjoy their vacation rather than go to India. Spending 3-6 months nonstop at Club Med—I don’t know if there’d be any survivors… 😉 In India, it’s a whole different story.

Anyway, I think 3-4 weeks is the minimum for anyone to really discover the essence of this country. After that, nothing in your life will ever be the same. (Super dramatic, oh well 😛)
SE Serendipita7 ·
Okay, sure, you can call me intolerant, but maybe think a little before writing. After all, it wasn’t me who wrote the following terms: « misery, filth, hellish traffic, honking non-stop, diarrhea despite the restaurant recommendations in the *Guide du Routard* and *Lonely Planet*, noise, many homeless people, delayed trains and uncomfortable first-class carriages, pushy vendors, rickshaws, and beggars, humid heat, dust, nothing interesting to bring back, no sidewalks so you’re constantly on edge, questionable hygiene in hotels and restaurants, and locals who see visitors as cash cows. »

Or: « I think it’s just the fact that you can spend without counting, and that’s what attracts the French in this period of low purchasing power. »

So YES, you can dislike India, but NO, you’re not really allowed to say just anything and drag the country and its people through the mud. They deserve some respect. They’re not there for the pleasure of tourists!

The worst is still the « nothing interesting to bring back. » What does that even mean? Is it about souvenir items? The country has some of the most diverse handicrafts in the world. That’s surprising. Or is it about human experience? Life lessons? In that case, the country isn’t to blame—it’s more about the traveler’s lack of openness, don’t you think?

« True happiness does not depend on any being or any external object. It depends only on ourselves. » (His Holiness the Dalai Lama)

Tolerance isn’t about letting people say whatever they want or letting Western contempt toward peoples who never asked for it be expressed.
SA Sara70 ·
We really wonder what you're doing on this forum. Forget about India, Indians, and all those who, like me, are interested in the country, its people, and their cultures—they’ll be grateful to you.

I don’t know what you learned during your stay in India, but it clearly wasn’t tolerance. This is a travel forum, and everyone is free to share their positive or negative opinions about the trips they’ve taken. And as others have said, just because someone didn’t really enjoy India doesn’t mean they prefer Club Med. For my part, I can’t say I didn’t like India—it’s a fascinating country—but it’s the first time I’ve come back from a trip with such negative feelings.
SH Shaktishakti Regular ·
Hello Mr. Koala,

I’m not surprised by your reaction, especially if you spent 10 days in India doing the Delhi/Jaipur/Agra triangle without knowing the country, its culture, or its civilization. What you said is true—except for the "nothing interesting to bring back" and the generalization about the locals—but what you saw on that "triangle" (I find that expression ridiculous) is only a tiny part of India, the "tourist zoo" side. The people who harassed you aren’t representative of the population as a whole... You saw the country through a fence and formed an opinion based on that, nothing more. India doesn’t give itself up easily; you have to take your time, explore the backroads, understand it, and study it beforehand.

You know, the first day I arrived in Paharganj in Delhi, I thought I’d landed in hell—it’s awful, the places, the dirt, the people, a bit like you described. And now that I live in Delhi, call it home, and have my bearings, I still feel the same way about Paharganj! Even middle-class Delhi residents think so: to them, it’s a sketchy neighborhood they wouldn’t dare set foot in. But Delhi isn’t Paharganj, just like Paris isn’t Barbès or the souvenir shops on Rue de Rivoli! I love Delhi—its history, its heritage, its diversity—even if everything is far from perfect, far from it. I love Delhi, and I love Paris too, but for different reasons. No comparison; you have to appreciate these cities for what they are and not blame them for what they’re not.

Everyone who loves India loves it for their own reasons, which vary widely. But you need a reason to go to India. When I hear people say they’re afraid of seeing poverty, I don’t know how to respond. If I had to give you ONE answer, I’d say I love India because it’s a country that will always surprise me, always remain inexplicable, unpredictable, mysterious. India is never the same: it’s eternally captivating because it’s unsettling.

Some will tell you it’s the spirituality, others the music, the food, the landscapes, the Himalayan treks, or the change of scenery...

Come on, here’s one reason for *you* to love India: there are eucalyptus trees everywhere! 😛

Shakti

(PS: And what about Dubai—do you like it?)
http://www.sanskritik.over-blog.com/
ZE Zebra1030 Regular ·
Hello,

I took the time to read your message and the various replies, which I found very measured and understanding. India represents 20% of the world's population, living in challenging conditions but with great merit, especially given the existence of a democratic electoral system through universal suffrage. Not many emerging countries can say the same! India is home to a dominant religion (Hinduism) that’s extraordinarily tolerant and open to others. Did you know some Hindus raise their children in other religions so everyone can benefit from the protection of multiple deities? India is hundreds of millions of individuals who wear irresistible smiles despite social and physical hardships; it’s rickshaw drivers pedaling with unbelievable energy to get you to your destination without a single complaint. India is a history and culture(s) that Westerners should bow to—Versailles is like a wooden shack compared to Jodhpur Fort. India is a daily culinary wonder (I spent a month there without a single bout of diarrhea—pro tip: drink *a lot* of water), and a constant aesthetic marvel.

To appreciate this country, you need an open mind, not Western blinders. Saying it’s a place you go to avoid spending money is disrespectful to those who truly want to know and appreciate it. You can also spend a fortune there in hotels where they’ll serve you steak-fries-salad. I went last year and I’m returning in a month, partly retracing the same route because I was so captivated by certain places.

I get that for some, recurring stays at the same "Club Med" are an alternative. I have friends who make that choice—they spend without counting the cost and can afford it. I don’t look down on them. But I think that kind of vacation might suit you better, as long as you keep your blinders on.

Manu.
Manu.
NO Noham Regular ·
I just got back from India after a short 10-day trip to the Golden Triangle (Delhi-Jaipur-Agra)

10 days—wow! I think the answer’s already clear. I don’t think anyone who truly loves India would’ve stayed only 10 days or stuck to just that "Golden Triangle."
NO Noham Regular ·
The reasons you didn’t like India are right there in your question: Time. You can’t appreciate this country with a 10-day itinerary! On my first trip, it took me about a week just to acclimate, and on top of that, I don’t think you did the best of Rajasthan—you missed Jaisalmer, Udaipur... cities that are human-scale and truly charming. As for accommodation, if you’d been willing to pay what you’d pay in France, you’d have gotten high-end service and people fussing over you😉; Anyway, like I always say, a trip to India takes preparation, study; you’ve got to love the history of civilizations, be ready for a journey that won’t always be a walk in the park. You don’t just end up here by chance, hesitating between Izmir and Majorca in a brochure😎

Oops, I hadn’t read to the end—that’s exactly what I think from A to Z. Time, preparation, and reading beyond tourist guides (I talked about this in another post). That said, if travel agencies didn’t present India like Izmir or Majorca and took the time to "talk" to travelers, to gauge them, to "psychoanalyze" them a little (as Stalingrad put it) to offer something else by understanding who they’re dealing with in that armchair across from them... but I must be dreaming—profit first, right? One more thing to add: talk, talk, talk with as many travelers as possible who’ve visited India. Of course, there’ll be the worst anecdotes and the most glowing praise. After that, you make your choice, deep down. Either you give up on it, or you dive in, or (what I chose) you go and see for yourself, knowing full well there’ll be the worst and/or the best. You experience it, feel it, and then you share your story, saying, "This is me." People criticize your bitterness, but maybe you’re still caught up in the emotions of what you feel was a failure? Maybe you’re taking it out on others a little? Maybe you’re expressing your own frustration at not having loved it, at not having felt what so many travelers feel when they visit this continent? At having chosen this destination without prior info? In a way, it seems like you’re blaming them because YOU didn’t like it. But you’re allowed to say: I didn’t like it. Emotions are deeply personal.
DU Duppyconquer Veteran ·
Hey,

I recommend checking out these videos if you have time—it won’t take long. For some people, this is what can happen: http://www.dailymotion.com/...me%2Bde%2Bl%2527inde ("some tourist crazy, some tourist not crazy" like the little girl says in the video).

Look, after some people struggle with this country, it’s normal. Everything is so different—it’s not Tunisia or England. In India, you’re faced with a *real* culture clash. Some people remember mostly that (photos 1 and 2).

Others are literally transported by a kind of energy (lol), seriously—mysticism, spirituality, life everywhere. Here, all our senses are heightened. Okay, maybe I’m exaggerating a little, but that’s the effect it has on me ;) What allows me to fully live it, while managing what you’ve seen, is remembering this (photos 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8).
KL KliFF Regular ·
It's hard to stay indifferent about a country like India. Indeed, it seems unreasonable to love or reject everything outright. I traveled through much of the country for four months earlier this year, and I adored the gentleness of South India, as well as the high peaks of India, particularly in Sikkim. On the other hand, the overcrowded Ganges Valley and the ultra-touristy Rajasthan with its air-conditioned coaches, where you run into the same tourists from city to city, didn’t leave me with unforgettable memories.

It’s impossible to stay unmoved by so much life at every crossroads, by such a complex spiritual life, by that deafening concert of sounds, all those crowds, those smells. After about fifteen weeks, my digestive system and I had had enough, and we were happy to leave. But just a few days later, in Bangkok, I was already missing that crazy country (said affectionately, of course). Will I go back someday? Absolutely! ... I found it’s more a country to "experience" than to visit, and one that deserves you stay as long as possible to form a nuanced opinion, if you have the chance, of course.
SE Serendipita7 ·
Goethe, who doesn’t strike me as half an idiot, said something very true: "Tolerance should only be a transitional state. It must lead to respect. To tolerate is to offend."

Now, it seems to me that saying—or letting others say—about a country, under the guise of tolerance, that everything there is noise, filth, scams, and that there’s nothing good to take away from it, isn’t showing much respect. In my opinion, it’s even a form of racism.

You can say you didn’t like it without claiming there’s nothing to love in that country. Don’t you think? Isn’t that what tolerance—or rather, respect—is really about?

Besides, I’m not saying Club Med is a horrible thing—far from it—I’m just saying you shouldn’t judge all situations by the same standards. That’s all. I don’t see where the harm is.
NO Noham Regular ·
I hated it: Madurai, Tanjavur, Chennai.

Could you elaborate, please? For those of us who’ve never been and are planning to stay there? I’m planning to spend at least 8 days in Madurai myself.
SA Sara70 ·
I found the city of Madurai really unpleasant—extremely noisy and oppressive. The temple is magnificent, that’s for sure, even though it’s under renovation so the towers are hidden by scaffolding. The atmosphere inside is also very special and pleasant, but outside of that, I couldn’t stand the city.

It’s totally a personal opinion—I arrived in Madurai after a week of traveling and had a full-on anxiety attack there, to the point where I almost went back to France.
MI Michel46 Globetrotter ·
Hi, It's true, it's a complete change of scenery. A lot of people in France complain, but they should go visit other countries! Still, you get to see amazing sights despite everything that's said. I posted a tiny photo preview on the site: http://michel.talon.free.fr Have a great day
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MA Marcomarco Veteran ·
I hated: Madurai, Tanjavur, Chennai.

Could you elaborate, please? For those who’ve never been and are planning to stay there? I’m planning to spend at least 8 days in Madurai.

everyone’s got their own tastes... I love these places! 😎 That’s where you really feel like you’re in the India that *lives*.
DU Duppyconquer Veteran ·
Hi Sara,

I invited you to watch some short videos about this anxiety phenomenon. If we're stressed, if we're tired, it's normal that we might only see "the bad sides." I totally understand you on that level. For example, last year, I went from India to Nepal—no problem there. After that, I headed to Thailand, and... after a week and a half, I fled to Laos even though I was in the south. What I remember most about Thailand is the prostitution, pedophilia, propaganda, and the Anglo-Saxons taking over the places. You see, everything is debatable...

For the link, either go to the first page of this post and it’s at the bottom (with photos), or go to Dailymotion and search for "India syndrome."

Hasta Luego,

David.
MA Marcomarco Veteran ·
Hi Sara,

I invited you to watch some short videos about this anxiety phenomenon. If we're stressed or tired, it's normal to focus only on "the bad sides." I totally understand where you're coming from. For example, last year, I went from India to Nepal—no problem there. Then I moved on to Thailand, and after a week and a half, I fled to Laos while I was in the south. What I remember most about Thailand is the prostitution, pedophilia, propaganda, and the Anglo-Saxons taking over the places. You see, everything’s debatable...

For the link, either go to the first page of this post (it’s at the bottom with photos) or head to Dailymotion and search for "syndrome de l'inde."

Hasta Luego,

David.

These are the docs I uploaded to "Dailymotion," here’s the address: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xg8a3_froggygoestobollywood_south-india

😉
NO Noham Regular ·
There’s no accounting for taste… I just love these places! 😎 Here, you really feel like you’re in the real India.

Well, I’m actually pretty passionate about it too, which is why I chose to stay longer. When I get back, I’ll have plenty to share and stories to tell about all these places
DU Duppyconquer Veteran ·
This is an excellent documentary, and I watched it again last night. Thanks for posting it on Dailymotion, Marc😉

"You want a video? Get a real video, not a virtual one. Which god do you want? Here, you have all the gods. Do you want a blue pill or a red pill?" (Excerpt from the video)

So, on that note, I always conclude by saying, "Some tourists crazy, some tourists not crazy"🙂.

Cheers,

David.
DU Dumnorix Regular ·
It's curious all these stories of anxiety and delirium! I read the book "Mad About India", it's really interesting! But we always hear stories of people who have problems—aren’t there also people for whom everything goes well? People who simply enjoy their trip without having anxiety attacks or delirious episodes?
NO Noham Regular ·
No, no, marcomarco and Stalingrad know how to get us excited—they give us tons of details and make us want to dive in. They’ve got plenty of arguments. On the other hand (no offense meant), a short sentence without details, like "I couldn’t stand the city" or "it stresses me out," doesn’t tell me much or explain anything...
NO Noham Regular ·
or else you go on Dailymotion and type "India syndrome".

I found lots of videos, but not "India syndrome"
DU Duppyconquer Veteran ·
Hi,

To be honest, I'm far from being an expert. However, for example, I know that my first trip was truly an experience. I went alone during the summer holidays with my backpack (I've always been a bit of an adventurer;-). When I returned to France, it wasn’t easy... I had too much comfort, I didn’t need all that, it was useless. People in the street, nothing was happening anymore, no noise, no scents, no discovery around every corner... I finished my studies, left again the following year, and rediscovered this country I love so much.

Of course, there are plenty of people for whom everything goes well. It’s just that there’s a real culture shock in India. You can go to Africa or South America; it’ll never be comparable to what you can experience in India😉.

Don’t be apprehensive—everyone reacts differently. Just look at how opinions vary in this thread...

And you, fellow forum members, what do you think? Does this make us all "prone" to some kind of neurosis?

Cheers,

David.
DU Duppyconquer Veteran ·
Hi Noham,

Check the first page of this post. There's a message I left with photos at the bottom of the page. You'll find the link to access the video in that reply to Sara ;). I think it lasts about 45 minutes, but it's a really excellent documentary if you have time tonight.

Cheers,

David.
PI Piecaud ·
Same opinion! For someone who’s never been to Thailand, Vietnam, or Indonesia, I get it. For someone who’s pissed about having paid for their flight ticket and doesn’t want to admit to friends back home that the grime, poverty, and smells, etc., overshadow the pretty pictures—I get it. For the person who loves Smecta and Imodium… I get it.

In short, it can definitely appeal to a lot of people, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying it still sucks… and that you can easily find better.

I spent 3 weeks in Ladakh—you’ll say it’s not *really* India—but I met people there who were taking a break after a tough stay in Rajasthan or some other scorching, filthy place. And in Leh, everyone dreads the stopover in Delhi.
NO Noham Regular ·
Okay, thanks David. I'm on vacation, the weather's crap, so it's perfect for continuing to dream about my trip—just 4 more months of patience. A little nap and I'll check it out right away
EL Elconcombre Veteran ·
... actually, the issue with this topic is basically the generalizations you can find in it...

Of course, there’s nothing wrong with saying you didn’t like it. But saying it’s "filthy"—that’s already more troubling, because that would imply ALL of India is filthy, which is far from true. But it’s clear the country has a lot to do to change mentalities when it comes to the environment—I remember, for example, the looks of sheer surprise I’d often get when I put my cigarette butts in my pocket instead of tossing them on the ground...

And it’s true that after Leh (I haven’t been there, but I have, let’s say, a vague idea...), it must make quite a contrast with Delhi! Like I said in my post, India is a country of sometimes mind-blowing contrasts... between Rameswaram, Candolim, Darjeeling, Jaisalmer, or Delhi, just to name a few examples... But saying Leh "isn’t India..."—that doesn’t seem true to me either. So, being "afraid" of returning to Delhi...

Can you find something "better" than India? I don’t think you can think of it that way, in my opinion. Different, yes. More in line with what you might expect, possibly. But not "better" or "worse"... Everyone has their own perspective...
DU Duppyconquer Veteran ·
That’s normal, Noham. But if I’d been you, I would’ve watched the video, and during your nap, I’m sure you would’ve been off! lol! 😉

Good luck with your prep,

Cheers,

David.
MA Marcomarco Veteran ·
Or else, go to Dailymotion and type "India syndrome." .

I found lots of videos, but not "India syndrome"

Yes, at the bottom of the page http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xg8a3_froggygoestobollywood_inde-du-sud

By the way, other videos (another page I created) here:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-9220026929077480399

(Deshnok, Spirituality in South India, Amma's Ashram, etc.) - on the right: "more videos from this user"

And soon lots more (Kashmir, Indian truckers, Sadhus, etc.) 😇
NO Noham Regular ·
Hey Marc and David. I found it, I saw it... Thanks
FR Frisotine Regular ·
Hi Faskoala,

I’m really sorry to hear that! I went to India over 10 years ago (in the north) and now I’m heading to the south for 3 months because I was completely fascinated by this country. First, the people: it was such a joy for me to see how a small smile from me could spark so much happiness and smiles from the women I greeted (I should mention I have curly hair, which isn’t very common there). Then there was this man on his bike carrying a huge sheet of glass in the middle of chaotic, unbelievable traffic. The strength and gentleness I saw in the eyes of Indians is maybe what fascinated me the most, despite the extreme poverty. I also have this "spot" etched forever in my memory: a peasant woman in a sari in her field, sowing seeds along the furrow her husband had traced—a queenly bearing, a grace so breathtaking it took my breath away! And the children—their liveliness, resourcefulness, their joy for life despite the living conditions you know all too well. And you can bring so much joy with so little—I’m not talking about money, just your behavior, your smile. That, for me, was pure happiness!

I also remember this man (a cured leper) who came up to me with a big smile, sitting on a skateboard because he had no legs, holding out his stump to beg. I thought how in India, people with disabilities are part of society and integrated into it, whereas here, they’re often in institutions... Sure, it can be shocking, but if you respond with a smile and give him 2 or 3 rupees, you’re letting him live among people.

The country itself: isn’t it crazy—all those palaces, temples, the contrasts, all those differences from ours?

I also want to say that I never walked around showing my shoulders, always in long pants and without any jewelry, but always clean!

Come on, Faskoala, don’t dwell on these impressions—they’re understandable but maybe a little one-sided, no?

I hope you quickly regain your "pep" and wish you joyful discoveries... in India, of course!
"heureux les yeux qui n'ont pas besoin d'illusion pour voir que le spectacle est grand." Maurice Maeterlinck
KL KliFF Regular ·
I found the city of Madurai really unpleasant, especially noisy and oppressive. The temple is magnificent, that’s for sure, even though it’s under renovation so the towers are hidden by scaffolding. The atmosphere inside is also very special and pleasant, but apart from that, I couldn’t stand the city.

I get how you felt arriving in Madurai, especially if you were coming back from Kerala. I found the people much ruder, it’s more oppressive, stressful, and dirty. We ended up in solicitation and tough negotiation situations more often than usual. It’s one of the cities I liked the least, despite its beautiful temple. We quickly headed to Thanjavur (which I really liked) and Pondicherry—places I found much more welcoming. But everyone has their own feelings: I met plenty of people who loved Madurai.

India has so much to offer, and it’s so easy to get around. If a place doesn’t suit us, we just move a few kilometers away for a whole new adventure until we find spots with the right vibe for us!
TE Teamten Globetrotter ·
We had the same impression as you about the city of Madurai—beautiful temples, but a lot of "solicitations," which is surprising in the south... Madurai suffers in comparison with Thanjavur (amazing temple and very friendly people).
NO Noham Regular ·
I really enjoyed http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-9220026929077480399 One regret though—the stunning visuals flash by too quickly for my taste, and the commentary feels a bit monotonous. There’s no time to soak in an image or a "caption." I’ll watch the rest tonight. Thanks
DI Dixy ·
We just got back from northern India with the family. We often stayed two days per stop. We loved India, even though the big cities are tougher. Delhi, Agra, and Jaipur seem harsh for a first visit. The dirt got to me after two days—I’d forgotten about it until my 12-year-old daughter got sick. But I was charmed by how kind everyone was, and within two days, she was back on her feet. I didn’t even think about the dirt anymore. I loved India, even if some sights were hard to stomach.

Don’t read too much before you go, or you might not end up going at all. I think I’d read too much negativity, but once we were there, there was so much positivity.

We won’t be going back next year—we’re ready for new adventures—but we’ll head to southern India instead.

India is different for everyone, and let’s not be too preachy about it.
ST Stalingrad Globetrotter ·
Well done, FastKoala—you’ve figured out how to rack up a ton of engagement on this blog! You start a thread about loving or hating India, and hating it works even better because you’ll rile up everyone who loves the country (like me) and we just *have* to respond. 😉

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