Converting a heavy-duty bus/coach/truck into a motorhome
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PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
HEY, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA!

All that's left is to plan the route to Valencia for the meetup. There was someone from Paris too. He might be able to drive some of the way to a bus stop.... There was someone from Lyon too....

You're right, your carpooling idea would be hilarious. The GX47, does it still have its seats?

PATRICK26
PI Piccin Regular ·
Thanks cunni for the photos, that's awesome - keep it up, it's a treat...fab😉
MR Mrbibi ·
That's really cool thanks for that! For new parts and advice you quickly get sorted. I wanted to reclassify a 709 and the Daimler guy told me it wasn't possible and gave me good advice on the situation. I've always been pleasantly surprised by their service. And I've got a '86 190d with multiple previous owners and pretty sporadic maintenance.......... over 500,000 km and I drive it every day.. runs perfectly. Damn....I'm going on about my life again!! Anyway on the homologation front for campervans, are 20-year-old Setras okay???? (assuming driver's door of course) Not to mention recent buses, what design "flaws" are too restrictive for homologation??? And what about heavy-vehicle bodies?? (doors? floors?...) Well I'll save some for later... goodnight And respect to the photos.... I don't get it...it's dumb, I've got photos too... (and Patrick's keeping the Russian site going, that's good for what we've got!!!) Cheers
jah!!! rangetaferaille, c'est l'acierquiscielaferaille
GA Gasmobil Regular ·
If all goes well, here's the bus I'm going to get. 1993, 780,000 km, €15,000. It's quite something.
Eh ben, Ya du boulot!! http://www.aavl.fr http://gasmobil.skyrock.fr
FR François57 Regular ·
I can't believe it, the night owls...

what a beautiful machine... keep all your seats, because if you get rid of them, I'm interested—I'd need 8, so then you can send me a price via private message. Where are you in France? I'll give you the dimensions of my S53 seats (just adapt the seat to the metal frame, that should be possible, right?) and now I'm turning to Patrick26: are the seats and their fittings standard (4-bolt spacing)

Kikiwin

I'm 25 and I started with an S53. I bought it 6 months ago, and since I haven't decommissioned it and don't have my C and D licenses, I just move it forward and backward a meter every 2 weeks. Get a bus that belonged to a transport company—it's ideal and cheap (but check the other coaches to see if they're well maintained or abandoned when the company is about to sell them). A reasonable budget to spend is €1,500 (I had offered €1,400 knowing I was paying for their last inspection), anyway that's what I paid because the company had to buy new tires from Michelin (they have a tire fleet that they pay maintenance and leasing fees on).

Make sure to get one with the technical inspection, don't wait to register it, because I no longer have the seats and it's no longer compliant with the 53-seater inspection, but that's normal.

For info, I bought this bus to live in it for a few weeks a year as part of my work travel, but currently I'm 300 km from home in student housing, and it costs me barely €150 a month with some meals... (housing allowance, etc...) but if I end up moving to densely populated areas and have to pay for hotels, it'll be worth it to travel by coach.

Plus, if you're not in a hurry, you can convert it for not too much money (I recover scrap from my construction sites, knowing that cable scrap is 10 meters long, or that 300mm diameter piping scrap can be used to make 100L tanks—it becomes worthwhile), on the other hand I can order materials at trade prices, like marine plywood or insulation...

Patrick 26

You who know heavy-vehicle maintenance well, how much do S53 tires cost (for example, if I had to buy them to a contract just to see how much the bus actually cost), and how much does retreading 4 wheels cost... can they be retreaded indefinitely, and how many km can you drive on tires.

thanks
GX GX47 Regular ·
😏 yes, in my hangar😏 but it's in a vasp 9-seater now😊
GX47

ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
CU Cunni Regular ·
Here are some cheap bus listings for sale, and some are already motorhome-certified (each listing has a phone number):

- An S45 motorhome-certified ???, 6000 - An S53 motorhome-certified, 7500 - An S45 GT, probably sputnick's, motorhome-certified, 8500 - A Setra motorhome-certified, 12000 - An S53 motorhome-certified, 15000 - several buses, probably not too expensive based on the listing - An eBay listing with several buses, so there might still be one available

North American Motorhomes... America, a whole different world... The best: an RV towing a 3-horse trailer
http://forum.tousencar.com
GX GX47 Regular ·
Ha, here's the funny bit - NO RETREADING for HVs, THAT'S FORBIDDEN😐

Regrooving can only be done once, and ONLY on HVs! After that you're not allowed and there's risk of blowout. Nobody's going to do it for you anyway. And it shows

Good on you for asking the question, (as Patrick26 said earlier: there's no stupid questions) Especially if it concerns safety systems! And if there are any, ask them anyway so we can laugh and sometimes you think it's a dumb question but it's not

NO RISK with wheels, shocks, brakes, steering (refer to what Patrick26 wrote earlier about Telma and exhaust brakes)

Me, if some guy or gal gets one of my creations because of a botched job, negligence, shady dealings, incompetence, recklessness, lack of maintenance...etc...etc..., they'd better run very very fast, very very far into the desert... and even then...
GX47

ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
GA Gasmobil Regular ·
The S53s are great value!! For reference, GABY-CHARIOT has 3 of them with about 650,000 km and wants 15,000 euros, so yeah, compared to just 4,000, I think that's a sweet deal. I called the guy who supposedly sells cheap buses - the 1983 B10M is 23,000 euros. The one I found is 15,000 for a 1993 model. Can't even compare... All I need now is a damn place to park it in Marseille, so far I've only gotten refusals. Nobody wants a bus on their property, honestly I get it but still, I'm hoping for the miracle that won't make me miss out on this great opportunity.
Eh ben, Ya du boulot!! http://www.aavl.fr http://gasmobil.skyrock.fr
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
UN BIEN JOLI VEHICULE!

recent, de la marge kilometrique, et au vu de l'interieur, si le plumage correspond au ramage (l'entretien a l'aspect), ca fait une belle base!

seul point negatif (il faut bien que j'en trouve un!) lors des voyages, le chauffeur se trouve un peu distancé du reste de la gasmobil family a cause du decroché de niveau entre le poste de conduite et le futur amenagement. (quoi que ca peut etre un gage de tranquilité pour conduire avec tes 4 bambins!)

et pour repondre a francois57, pour les sieges, beaucoup d'entraxes sont communs, les sieges etant rarement fabriqués par les fabricants de cars eux-memes, mais plus souvent par des societes specialisées (chardon, zodiac - son activité nautisme est plus faible que son activité fabication de sieges, notement pour airbus, tgv, etc).

par contre, certains ont les pieds boulonnés (comme sur le mien ou les s45/53) ou sur rails glissieres (comme sur la plupart des vanhool, par exemple).

il reste toutefois difficile d'adapter une assise sur un autre chassis de siege que celui pour lequel il a ete concu....

mais qui ne tente rien....

PATRICK26
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
ah, faute!

le rechapage en poids lourd est autorisé!

mais apres radiographie du pneu pour verifier l'etat de sa carcasse, ce qui revient trop cher aujourd'hui face a un pneu neuf.....

seules certaines societes specialisees le font et c'est principalement pour de l'export.

sachez aussi que vos vieux pneus se negocient! une carcasse a un prix car les fabricants de pneus les font raper (la gomme est revendue pour d'autres usages) et la carcasse est reutilisée et revendue comme neuve apres remoulage de gomme neuve!

pensez a les negocier lors de l'achat de vos nouvelles baskets a car!

par contre pour le retaillage, tu as raison, c'est autorisé, une seule fois et par professionnel. mais, pour info, les transporteurs routiers les montent sur les remorques uniquement car si ils les montent sur le tracteur routier, il peuvent perdre jusqu'a 8 km/h a cause de la diference de circonference et du limiteur. (en gros, le compteur affiche toujours 90 calé au limiteur, mais le vehicule ne roule plus qu'a 82 km/h car la roue est plus petite!).

voila pourquoi beaucoup de remorques sont en monte pneumatique identique aux roues avant des tracteurs routiers (roues simples a pneus larges) ce qui fait des camions qui donnent l'impression d'avoir des gentes larges a l'avant (certains scania, renault magnum en certaines montes). il n'est pas possible de le faire sur un camion pas prevu pour, car les pneus plus larges imposent des modifs sur le train avant (rotules, reglages, direction). dans ce cas, les roues jumelées ne sont plus montées que sur le train propulseur du tracteur routier. a titre d'exemple (maintenant que je sais integrer une photo!), regardez bien les roues avant sortent presque des ailes!

pour info, bieron negocie aussi des pneus d'occasion! (et y'en a une montagne classés par dimensions, niveau d'usure....).

pour les prix je te donnerais de mauvaises infos, car je les acheté a un de mes potes d'enfance qui est le patron d'un centre vulco, et il avait negocié le prix auquel il me les a vendus, directement aupres de dunlop, en leur expliquant que le bus etait a nous 2 et m'a fait promettre sur demande de son fournisseur de ne pas communiquer le prix!

et j'ai changé les 6! (faut dire que les 4 arrieres avaient ete recreusés trop profond et qu'on voyait la trame! les 2 avant, a peine a 40% d'usure, ont fait deux excelentes roues de secours!).

voila ce que je peut dire sur les pneumatiques.....

PATRICK26
FR François57 Regular ·
OK, merci pour toutes ces réponse.

pour le S53 je répète bien 1 500 euros et non pas 15 000, S53 de 1984, mais les pneus, même là ou je l'ai acheté ils m'ont dit qu'ils donnent les pneus, et en récupèrent, mais c'est courant et il me dit que ce sont des pneux qui ont déjà servi, alors certainement retaillés, mais d'après ce que j'ai compris, servi plusieurs fois. c'est une grosse boite de transport, donc on ne plaisante pas avec la sécurité, et je n'ai pas l'intention de le faire non plus car je n'ai pas envie de planter mon bus dans un gamin ou dans une maison ou autre.

est tu sur de ces infos, (sinon Patrick 26 aurait déjà démenti) mais en tout cas si les garages refusent ben c'est normal je vais pas chercher.

donc nouvelle question : combien coûtent des pneus de S53 (équilibrés, montés...)et y a t il un risque de "plat" si le bus reste immobilisé et avance ou recule de 30 cm tous les 15 jours...

a plus.

P.S. C'est bien ce que je disais (en tant que vrai pro Patrick a démenti lorsque j'étais en train de répondra au post, le temps qu'on vienne me poser des tas de questions au boulot, et que j'y réponde) donc cela alimente mon stock de questionon peut bien les rechaper autant qu'on veut? et combien coute un rechapage...
CU Cunni Regular ·
Encore un S53, 7000 €, ct ok mais par contre l'annonce précise pas si il est homologué, l'annonce étant dans la catégorie 2 places, il est peut être homologué pour seulement 2 personnes ???

http://www.annonces-camping-car.com/...p;ANN_Ref=6887#BLANK
http://forum.tousencar.com
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
te fais pas chier avec du rechapage ou du retaillage....

trouves toi des pneus d'occas....

pour faire 10 a 15 000 kms par an, des bonnes occas devraient te faire un moment.

pour les plats sur tes pneus, c'est pas en 2 semaines que tu risques quelque chose, surtout si il sont bien gonflés. mais un quart de tour regulier t'eviteras tous problemes.

PATRICK26
NA Nahotchan ·
Hello,

I stumbled upon this forum while searching for how to convert an S53 into a motorhome. Great job on all these interesting posts. But after three hours of reading and posts from 2004, I have more questions than answers. I wrote to the DRIRE of Languedoc Roussillon, but in the meantime, has anyone put together a quick overview of today's regulations? (left door, seatbelts, etc...) I have C and D licenses, so I don't have too much of a problem, but I'm wondering whether I should apply for motorhome caravan bodywork certification, or if it would be better to start with a truck workshop registration and then motorhome caravan certification.

Thanks for everything, see you soon.
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
Alright, let's clarify things....

a motorhome meets very specific criteria: a table, benches, cooking facilities, onboard electrical power...

every heavy-duty vehicle has a classification type.

CAM, for truck TCP, for Passenger Transport etc.... and the one that interests us:

VASP (not VASM) means Vehicle with SPecific Fitout (and yes, it needs 4 letters!), and that's for all vehicles that fall outside the typical truck, semi-trailer or bus or coach...and a category (which can be written abbreviated or in full): NACL or NACELLE, for cab-over truck LEV or LEVAGE, for lifting/crane trucks, etc... and the ones that interest us:

the one to avoid, but which is easy to get, is NSPC, which stands for Not SPecified. It's the catch-all category! Everything that isn't specifically named in the classification ends up with this label. So if your motorhome has this type of classification, it means it's not officially recognized as a motorhome! if you follow the law, an NSPC isn't allowed to drive on Sundays because it's still a heavy vehicle assigned to "anything and everything," it's not a motorhome, or a breakdown truck, etc., which have different exemptions. you risk not having access to certain ferry companies or certain tunnels (the Fréjus and Mont Blanc for example) because it's a risk for them (it's written on the instruction panel placed before the heat detector at the entrance of the mentioned tunnels). Since the vehicle doesn't correspond to any recognized category, it might be equipped with uncertified accessories. If it looks like a motorhome and it's NSPC, is its gas installation certified? Some countries will also refuse you entry at their borders (some Eastern European countries notably).

and the ones you should have:

AUTOCARAVANE is the common term for motorhomes under 3.5 tons. it's the category that requires two front doors (including a driver's door), and some mining authority departments classified our buses in this category with tonnage waivers.

and best of all, HOME CAR, which is the category for a bus or truck over 3.5 tons converted into a motorhome (for us, that is!)

the problem is that HOME CAR wasn't included in France's official classification system! Other European countries had added this category at Austria's request, like Germany, England, etc., but not France!

so the mining authority classified us as AUTOCARAVANE if there was a driver's door, or NSPC if it didn't match the AUTOCARAVANE classification. Or they'd break our backs with details, and nobody understood anything anymore.

so more than a year ago, I took up my staff and went all the way to the ministry to get them to incorporate this category into the classification system. After 8 months of paperwork, France officially recognized this new category, and I published the HOME CAR category description in a post (around page 20, look for it!).

HOME CAR is the magic word! It goes everywhere, it can drive on Sundays, it can pass where freight transport and coaches are forbidden (I'm not talking about weight restrictions, but about signs showing a truck or bus without a small weight limit sign below them) like city centers, some parking lots, etc... the only restrictions you have to follow are those about dimensions (weight, height, width and length), that's it!

to be clear, I don't understand how a mining authority engineer can accept classifying a quasi-motorhome as NSPC, because that means he accepts that a vehicle can drive without complying with all the requirements of the category it should be in! (Why not a cab-over truck without its mandatory stabilizer legs as NSPC while we're at it! The principle is the same!).

know that a mining authority engineer isn't infallible and you'll always be liable in court!

I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of a VASP NSPC bus owner who converted it into a motorhome and had the bad luck of sinking a ferry because of an onboard gas bottle that caused an explosion with deaths... (I know, but it's for the example...).

let's not look like fools. let's do things properly: 1-choose a bus, 2-make plans that comply with NFS 56200, NFS 56201 regulations and the prescriptions required by the mining authority for the HOME CAR category. 3-do careful work on both the body and the interior 4-set up an appointment with the NFS compliance officer (Veritas or other) 5-go see the mining authority for individual type approval (RTI) 6-be able to drive, insure, sell, rent or enjoy a vehicle that is necessarily exceptional.

some will say it's too long to do things right, or too complicated!

I don't wish them any harm. Just that the mining authority engineer does his job properly and doesn't give them an NSPC as a shortcut (or through incompetence!). That would prevent seeing vehicles pass the mining authority without a heating system, and then end up later with an unapproved wood stove, or a 1000-liter unpartitioned water tank positioned any which way, or worse... (I remember a guy who called me for advice, and during the conversation, he tells me that on his NEOPLAN double-decker, he had cut "little iron bars" from the floor to install his shower in the rear cargo area—the one above the rear axles—to have more height, because he was tall and 1.75m of ceiling didn't work for him!.... This type of bus doesn't have a frame, it's a self-supporting body, and the little iron bars are part of the body and contribute to its rigidity!.... When I told him his bus was fit for the scrapyard and would never pass mining authority approval as HOME CAR, he told me he didn't care because it's a bus he'd bought as an NSPC, which he converted afterward, and he's leaving it like that!.... And he drives with it!)

because as GX47 says, anyone who takes me down with pirate junk, they'd better lay low and stay far away from me. I'm not mean, but in my view, apologies have never brought the dead back, and I've never accepted covering irresponsible driving behavior under the term "road accidents."

I may be harsh, but that's my opinion, and we're on a forum, right?....

I don't see the point of going to the mining authority to get VASP NSPC approval, then going back to get HOME CAR approval, except for the temptation to cross the white line (driving with a vehicle under construction, not properly certified).

for those who want to drive anything goes, there's nowhere for them here!.. but there, there's no social security, no hospitals, no schools, no supermarkets....

pick your side, friend.

attention, nothing personal against nahotchan, I'm bouncing off his question and speaking broadly, as usual.....

I also want to tell those who want to buy a pre-built bus to watch out! In case of problems, you'll be the first to be blamed. And then, to justify your good faith in front of cops or a judge....

PATRICK26
NA Nahotchan ·
Hi,

Now that's what I call an answer! 🙂

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond so thoroughly.

I'm going to put together solid documentation, and if all goes well, I'll be on the road within a year.

All I need to do now is get inspired (not copy!) by what others have done, by finding layout diagrams.

I just looked at article 3.6.2.2.2—if we skip the driver's door, is the side window considered an emergency exit?

Big thanks to PATRICK30 Hi Hi Hi.
NA Nahotchan ·
Hi, The DRIRE PDF doesn't show me the same section 3.6.2.2.2...... Can you clarify this for me? 3.6.2.2.2. : - An access door to the driver's cabin and an emergency exit located on the opposite side with an area of 2500 cm² with a minimum dimension of 450 mm or a living area with an area of 2500 cm² with a minimum dimension of 450 mm. Instead of your article which states: or an emergency exit on each side of the driver's position with an area of 2500 cm² with a minimum dimension of 450 mm. - and an access door to the living area, located on the right side or at the rear; - and a clear passage of 2500 cm² with a minimum width dimension of 450 mm between the front cabin and the living area; - and an emergency exit of 2500 cm² with a minimum dimension of 450 mm located on a face that does not have the access door to the living area.
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
The PDF the DRIRE gave you is for standard motorhomes!

Less than 12m² of habitable space and less than 3.5 tons... that's what they hand out by default, without knowing (?!?) that the HOME CAR standard exists.

At first glance, you'll find the HOME-CAR description in my earlier messages—print that out and go by it. For heavy-duty builds like ours, that's the document you need to follow, not the one they gave you. If the mines inspector gives you trouble, tell him it comes straight from the ministry via Mr. VIAL from the DRIRE's regional office in Lyon. (and if needed, I'll get you the covering letter from the mines engineer who handled this document—when the time comes)

You tell me 'patrick30', so I'm guessing you're also named Patrick and that you live in the Gard...

Which means we're not far from each other. I'm in Valence, Drôme.
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
a clarification:

a mining engineer is in no way a prescriber of regulations. at worst, an advisor, and even that's a stretch!

they're state certifiers.

you show up with something to get certified, the regulations applicable to your request, and... they check that those regulations are indeed the ones that apply, and check that your thing fits in the box. Period. Their role stops there!

if it worked otherwise, why would manufacturers have an approval department?

it's up to you to be firm!

it's like with taxes; you file your return, taking into account the exemptions and deductions you're entitled to, and you submit it to the tax office. the auditor verifies. at no point will their role be to advise you or calculate your taxes for you!

PATRICK26
FR François57 Regular ·
OK, advice noted... but personally, I need to get my Class C license to drive my vehicle, but to convert it I'm forced to tow it with me, which means I can't transform it overnight, and I don't have all your equipment and network of friends. I have a driver who moves it for me from time to time... and the solution I found with the DRIRE is an NSPC conversion, then another one (back then it was motorhome, but now I'm thinking I'll talk to them about Homecar). Do you have the Homecar manual, or could you send it to me at francois1612@hotmail.com

it's a step to allow me to drive and tow it with me (I'd rather pass one more inspection than get a Class D license which I'll never need anywhere else).

so is it really a dead-end option? or not, considering I can re-register it afterwards (I'm entitled to 9 seats in VASP NSPC without seatbelts, which makes sense since in VASP motorhome category I have the same right... plus, my vehicle is TCP, but it's insured for Camping Car use only, and the insurer knows this perfectly well.

catch you later
KI Kikwin ·
Sorry, changing the subject 😛 Does anyone know the major differences between the s53, the s53R, and the s53RX? And which one is best for customization? Thanks in advance
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
Agree with you on driving with a class C license.....

but what about the vehicle inspection authority where you'll need to pass your technical inspection and they'll give you an S (security), because your vehicle is under renovation....

I'll explain: you take your bus for a technical inspection to be up to date for your VASP approval. the vehicle inspection authority checks a bus (at that moment you're still a bus), and there, 2 options:

1- it's a bus, it has the seats, all the windows, etc.... and you have your technical inspection. your vehicle inspection authority approval must be done within 6 months, or else your technical inspection will no longer be valid (bus = inspection every 6 months) and you find yourself in the following case.... 2- you've started the work and it's no longer a bus, because it has fewer than 9 seats, metal panels instead of windows, etc... but your vehicle registration is still "bus", and you get an "S" for "vehicle under transformation"! right to drive for one month before the vehicle inspection authority check!

a vehicle under transformation is not allowed to drive!

let's say you take option 2 (above) and do your VASP NSPC inspection. as soon as you've installed the gas and electricity, you'll need to pass before Veritas or another inspector for your compliance! or don't drive..... until you're a camper van.

to keep it simple, follow the procedure planned for the case that interests us (vehicle transformation):

you don't do any paperwork to pass your technical inspection and the vehicle inspection authority. you stay as a BUS, and you do all your work without moving it (except a few meters for the tires if you want!). you have Veritas or another inspector come for your interior compliance, and for your vehicle inspection authority check, you check with your usual heavy-duty mechanic who will pick it up, prepare it, and take it to the technical inspection center (he has the right as a professional to drive a "W garage" with a vehicle that's not up to date on justification of the technical inspection appointment), where it will come out with an "S" for "vehicle under transformation". and then, you ask anyone who has the TCP (commercial driver's permit) to take it (within 30 days because of the "S") to the inspection at HOME CAR. your commercial driver will bring it back because you'll receive your new papers in about 10 days.

and then, HAPPINESS! you can go anywhere with your class C license

simple, except if you want to cheat and drive with a vehicle under transformation!

and if it's to go to the bodywork shop or somewhere else for the work, ask him to come pick it up! that way, you don't even need insurance that covers driving (just storage) during the work period!

last option (which I put in place for myself), go see the local police in the area you're in, explain to them that you're well in contact with the vehicle inspection authority, that you have the heavy-duty license and not the TCP, and that you may need to move your bus which no longer has the bus configuration from one place to another in the municipality, to go to the mechanic or elsewhere. I was surprised by their understanding! I can drive around the municipality without risk of being stopped by them as long as the vehicle doesn't drive during critical hours (school or office entry and exit times) and it's insured and my technical inspection is clean, even if it's expired. but in case of accident, it's under my responsibility, they were very clear.

there you have it....

PATRICK26
CU Cunni Regular ·
I published a description of the HOME CAR type in a post (around page 20, look for it!).

It's on p19: but it's not about HOME CAR but about motor-home... like in the old version

I've visited all the DRIRE sites but nothing about the HOME CAR category, they should update themselves

It seems to me that Patrick chose some terms poorly (otherwise it's clear enough as an explanation): when he talks about type, for the administration it's the category (para 2.1) (ex: CAM, TCP, VASP... (SP for specialized)) 😛 (on the registration card, the type field refers to the model in the manufacturer's brand) when he talks about category, for the administration it's the bodywork (CARAVAN, WORKSHOP, NON SPEC, )

Does the AUTOCARAVAN bodywork exist?

You'll find below all legal information concerning your vehicle: (source of this list)

OTC (Central Technical Organization) - www.utac-otc.com Road Safety - www.securiteroutiere.equipement.gouv.fr Legifrance (the public service for legal information dissemination) - www.legifrance.gouv.fr DRIRE (Regional Directorate of Industry, Research and Environment) - www.drire.gouv.fr Autosecuritas (National Cooperative for Vehicle Technical Inspection) - www.autosecuritas.fr
http://forum.tousencar.com
MO Molosse ·
Hi, we'd like to connect with people who are converting their bus into a HOME CAR. Although the forum has plenty of information, we'd like to discuss with fellow enthusiasts. Our number is 0668145382—you can call us back on a landline for free. We're available in the Montélimar region. Thanks
AIME LA VIE QUE TU MENES MENE LA VIE QUE TU AIMES
NA Nahotchan ·
Hi,

Indeed, we're not far away,

Patrick from Vergèze in the GARD.

Thanks again.
NA Nahotchan ·
> s53, the s53R and the s53RX? Great question.

I think the R comes from Renault (it used to be Saviem).

As for the X, who has the answer?

Thanks.
NA Nahotchan ·
Oops, here's what I found:

In 1987, a final vehicle restyling was decided while waiting for the launch of a new vehicle: removal of the black grille, new dashboard with floor-mounted gear shift. Technically, there were no modifications! The designation of this final evolution is S45RX, S53RX, and S105RX.

Source > http://www.bernistrucks.fr/actualite/actu_1005.php

And of course http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=426195#426195

😛
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
You're right, motorhome instead of home car (home car is basically the same thing but for cattle-trailer certifications with a fitted section for the lad!).

I've muddled the terms....

Motorcaravan, that's light vehicle category.

PATRICK26
JA Jadus ·
Well done Patrick! I haven't read this discussion thread in quite a while, and I didn't know you'd put in so much effort to make things easier for us (creating a new vehicle category at the mines). Really well done!!! I think you should create a new thread where people wouldn't ask questions, just post information or summaries like the one you shared above. That would keep you from having to repeat yourselves so much because information gets buried across so many pages.

As for your idea about a meet-up in Drôme, I think it's a good one because it seems like quite a few of us are in that area.
DJ Djeck49 ·
Hi!

I'm back – it's finally happening! I'm going to be able to buy my bus. Now I just need to find it... I'd like to get an S53 but I absolutely have no idea who to ask. Online ads are hard to find. Where should I look? Thanks for your replies.
NA Nahotchan ·
Hi,

For Patrick26—is that your motorhome we're seeing there? It's the one from Patrick in the 26 at B-les-V.

If so, congrats!

But I only see one seat, the driver's one.... Does that mean the authorities accept the rear benches as sleeping spaces?

Thanks for your responsiveness.

PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
YES, IT'S MINE!

but the photo is photoshopped....

This photo was taken in the Bacqueyrisses parking lot near Bordeaux. And the two buses are identical in the photo! (they were parked right next to each other! both are yellow and brown, the same!).

To get an idea of what it would look like when finished, we tinkered with it in Photoshop. My ex-partner especially—he went to the European Institute of Design! (a wizard with Illustrator, Photoshop, and... AutoCAD because he studied mechanical engineering before design - all those school years had to count for something!)

Today it's blue and gray—that's my avatar that CUNNI posted large in a comment higher up.

Pretty convincing fake, huh?

Even the sun reflection is in there!

For the seats, they're all in that photo... because the bus hadn't been bought yet.

Alright, let's get into the seats.....

It's the registration date that makes the difference!

The toughest one is buses after 2000: seats with seatbelts that have passed a crash test! That's it, for them, that's all that's allowed.

For buses before '95 (if I'm getting this wrong, correct me, you folks who know!), your seats have to be designed for use in a passenger transport vehicle. Their fixings must meet the rules related to the model (bolted into the rails under the floor provided for this, in my case), and that's it!

Forward-facing, backward-facing, no seatbelt—almost anything goes!

Then there are the benches; 1-Facing forward, not allowed! 2-Facing backward with a system preventing whiplash, allowed as long as the seat is 40 x 45 cm (I forget which dimension is which!) 3-Lengthwise (back to the window, for example), in sections of 2 consecutive seats, separated by an armrest (one armrest per 2 seats).

For mine as an example:

A U-shaped lounge in the back with 5 seats (certified as bus seating with foot spacing in the right dimension to bolt into the rails under the chassis) will go behind the driver, back against the bodywork. That gives me 1 forward-facing seat, 1 backward-facing seat, and 3 lengthwise seats separated by individual folding armrests. With a table that folds down, it makes a 112x190 cm bed. Facing it, I've got 2 heavy-truck seats suspended from armrests with rotating platforms so they can face either way, separated by a game table. All the seats will be upholstered in the same M1-rated fabric (required!).

For the U-shaped bench, it's natural that the spacing works out, because it's the same seat manufacturer as my original seats.

All together it gives me 7 seats plus the driver, and a super comfortable lounge! All approved by the authorities.

There you have it....

PATRICK26
NA Nahotchan ·
Hi,

Indeed, that's well done.

When I said I only saw one seat, I was referring to your sketch.

Is that the one you went with?

Can you point me toward a supplier for those two benches of yours that fit on an S53 with an armrest between the two spaces?

Thank you in advance, and if you don't mind, I'd love to give you a call, and maybe even stop by to see your work so I can make things easier when I start mine.

Thank you so much.

GE Geromino ·
Hello everyone, my name is Germain, I'm 31 years old. I'm a body shop painter with a passion for motorcycles in Northern France.

For a long time I've been thinking about buying a bus to convert into a motorhome workshop. Recently I saw a couple on a TV show traveling across France in a converted bus and I thought, "well, it's possible!" Then I found this site. I have to admit I haven't read all 34 pages yet—I've just skimmed through—but I've already seen some fascinating things.

However, I'm still thinking it through and I'd really need pictures of interiors, work in progress, etc.

So if you have a bit of time to help me out, I'm leaving my email and MSN. Thanks in advance!

bye!

gerominobike@hotmail.fr harle.germain@neuf.fr

By the way, if you know of any personal websites or anything like that...
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PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
For the benches, those in this design would've been custom-built.

The plans have shifted quite a bit, and they're now in several pieces for better precision...

The 45 cm passage is maintained in driving position for the rotating seats and with the dinette table pushed in (it'll be on sliders)

PATRICK26
NA Nahotchan ·
Hi there,

Sorry Patrick. In the following sentence, if I put two benches facing each other, with a 45cm gap, and these benches are designed for TWO people, do I have to put an armrest?

3-longitudinal (back against the window, for example), per length of 2 consecutive seats, separated by an armrest (one armrest every 2 seats).

I know I seem a bit slow to understand, but I like to be certain and not mess things up.

Okay, I promise I won't bother you anymore tonight, but that's your fault—you're way too good at explaining. 😉

Alright, have a good evening. (see you tomorrow )
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
And no, you don't need that! A separating armrest every 2 lengthwise seats...

PATRICK26
BA Bastosyzf450 ·
I visited a friend today who converted an old S53 – it's awesome! But after chatting with him and checking out the vehicle, there's no driver's side door, yet it still passed inspection.

He also had to install just one row of seats behind the driver because the front door is classified as a standard door and therefore can only have one row with seatbelts.

He offered to let me borrow it while I wait to get my own.

He also mentioned that since he has a lattice-frame chassis, he can't tow a trailer. Here's his website for anyone who wants to see a yellow and red S53: http://team6avenue.dataflot.com/le_team/le-camion-atelier.htm

Soon our team will have a bus too in our colors.

I'm currently working on all the installation diagrams, electrical wiring schematics (220V and 24V), and gas system – I'll post them on the forum to get your feedback.

By the way, are there as many 24V accessories available as there are 12V ones? I'm having trouble finding 24V equipment for standard motorhome setups.
FR François57 Regular ·
Not a bad idea about the police thing...

but for me, going through VASP NSPC is easier, partly because the place I park at isn't mine, plus I move around a lot for building work, so it's better having the setup with me. And my gas work will be done last (I'll never drive with a connected gas installation...) but there's no risk of explosion - worst case I "transport" a gas bottle, like when you buy one in a car...

I don't think it should cause any problems... true, I'm no longer compliant with the CT, but with VASP NSPC I would be: a few rows of seats, 9 of them (including the driver) marked "road", and storage space for possible exhibitions, for my association for example. The thing is, it's allowed to drive on Sundays and no mandatory disk (only the chrono function during RTI is required, then CT every year...) and it could be the bus's final purpose. If I outfit it, worst case I remove "non-road" seats which doesn't change the number of places, then I do my partitions one by one, my insulation, etc. The tricky part is going from VASP NSPC to VASP homecar after having it as NSPC, which according to the DRIRE guy is doable.

Otherwise for a buddy mechanic I don't know anyone, and a W costs money, then the guy's hours...etc... and finally, well I pay 500 euros for insurance, with exclusive private use without transport of persons (except family or close friends, that's 9 places I think, or a convoy driver, but it's a pretty handy setup)
NA Nahotchan ·
Alright, it's coming along.

Based on the vehicle registration, 384 on it. Over 20 years old, so I'm assuming we can count it as a classic vehicle. I think the registration is free (or am I wrong?).

For the electrical schematic, good thinking. For the 24V accessories, not ideal. I'm planning to install a voltage reducer 24V -> 12V for the entire rear section, but I'll need to calculate the power requirements first.

Catch you later
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
Why bother switching to 12V?

Keep 24V and instead install a 24>220V converter to run standard household appliances!

As an example, here's my plan.
NA Nahotchan ·
Great idea,

Thanks for the diagram, but would you have a BMP or JPEG in higher resolution? I can't read the details.

Thank you.

Patrick du Gard.
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
Give me your personal email in a private message and I'll send it to you as a PDF.

PATRICK26
NA Nahotchan ·
Done, thanks.
SH Shilenda ·
Hello everyone, I'm Mathieu, 20 years old, living near Saint-Étienne. I just finished my carpentry studies and I'm unemployed at the moment!!

Anyway, I've had a 1976 VW Combi for the last four months in very good condition, which I'm taking to Barcelona for the weekend as I mentioned in another post.

Lately I've fallen in love with traveling and the idea of not having a specific place to live.

There are several reasons, actually one in particular that made me want to leave....😕

Even if it's still far off, I'm planning to start putting money aside so that in 4 or 5 years I can be on the road. But anyway, even though I've read the first messages of this thread several times, I can't find the right one, the coach!! There are plenty of nice ones like the Setra 210 or the Vanhool models, or even the FR1. But I'm looking for a coach where I can really make myself a "living room", a bedroom, a kitchen, a "bathroom"!!!! lol. Not knowing much about mechanics, I need something reliable and sturdy!! I had thought about a two-story coach but I don't think it's that great in the end.

So anyway, I'm not really sure. I think I'll have 10,000 to 12,000 euros for the purchase and conversion. For a coach that can take me from Madrid to Tokyo. Yes, just so you know, it's not for vacations or business trips but to live there every day.

So I'm counting on you for more info.... Thanks in advance.🙂
Ont est ce que l'ont choisit d'être....
GX GX47 Regular ·
Adding to the seating discussion: Well, I'm not contradicting anything already mentioned, guys—I'm just adding to this administrative absurdity😐

PRE-1995 for school transport, buses, and military (but that's standard, 7% peacetime loss was authorized😏🤪)

Forward-facing benches were allowed to convert from 2 adult seats to 3 child seats: my GX, like all GXs assigned to school pickup, has registration documentation (mine had) 36 adults for the GX47 and 37 for the GX37, but listed on the PURPLE REGISTRATION CARD total capacity (seated + standing) is 36, and below it CHILDREN'S PUBLIC TRANSPORT: driver 1, children seated excluding jump seats 51 with specification in parentheses 3 (per seat), possible attendant 1, and total (seated + standing) 53 capacity

The interior of mine when I first got it:

Not bad, eh? Well, mine was used to pick up kids from 3 villages to serve 1 kindergarten and primary school (max age 12).

Anyway, when I converted mine for camping, I flipped 2 benches to face away from the road. Since I was required to keep the original seats in their original positions, I ended up with 2 benches facing away from the road without headrests—important for whiplash protection—but there weren't clear specs on this point for caravan bodywork over 3.5T (my category), now classified as Motor-Home. Note that this applies too if a loaded 40T semi-trailer hits me from behind, but I'm at 6.5 to 7T max on the road, so the whiplash risk is real either way🏴‍☠️(that's also why I'm considering replacing the seats)
GX47

ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
GX GX47 Regular ·
yes I confirm (as a former electrician by trade) do the interior in 24V you'll also have 12V if needed (the 24V being supplied by 2 12V batteries), I put 12V in mine because, as I said at the beginning, it was designed for my job with just the bare minimum setup required for 3 years before a more serious rework - and I used equipment meant to be swapped out and reused for the Master or C25 (in 12V) plus, at accessory shops you can find 24V for everything - often even more expensive when ordering (but that'll change with the motorhome boom) - but the advantage is greater power and consumption cut in half 😎

GX47
GX47

ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
FR François57 Regular ·
For registration, it's simple: if it's over 10 years old, the price per horsepower is divided by 2. If it's heavy-duty, the price per horsepower is divided by 2 again, but there's a parafiscal tax (usually around 270 euros I think).

For example: for my S53 with 19 horsepower from 1984 in Moselle: 8*19 + 270 = 422 euros.

P.S.: oops, I'm wrong: very very good news:

http://www.moselle.pref.gouv.fr/demarches_administratives/d_a_circ_carte_grise_1.htm

(*) V.T.S.U. and V.A.S.P: exemption from the parafiscal tax

so for my bus I pay 152 dollars for registration, oh wow, I'm so happy
GE Geromino ·
j ai quelques liens interressant je peut les poster ?

by!
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