marche vraiment pas bien les alertes par mail?!!!
Je dis ça car heureusement que je relis ce post en entier, j'avais pas vu que tu m'avais répondu (alors que d'hab t'as l'droit à un mail🤪)
Bref, moi j'ai 2 choix pour ce voyage:
Minimum 3 mois, thailande, cambodge et laos
Et si ça va bien, si je veux continuer, bein je rentre en France et prends le temps qu'il me faudra!! (quelle route, je sais pas trop!) d'où aussi la question des sacoches et porte bagages avant!!!
Parce que j'en sais rien si je continu ou pas, et c'est pas au laos ou en chine que je vais trouver du tubus ou des ortlieb, et livré dans ses contrées...je suis pas convaincu!
Voilà, ça se rapproche carrement de ce que tu envisages aussi en fait!😉
Si tu veux me suite, t'as l'adresse de mon site en bas dans ma signature!
Moi c'est achat du vélo à Bangkok!
Bonjour,
Je compte transporter le porte bagages TUBUS en avion mais, avant de l'acheter (ainsi que les sacoches ad-hoc bien sur, pourriez vous me donner les dimensions maximales pour envisager de les emballeer au mieux avec le vélo démonté.
Merci d'avance
Vas sur le site tubus tu as toutes les dimensions.
Savez vous combien coute les frais de livraison pour Le canada et pour Paris ? ... mon allemand laisse à désirer... en fait je ne connais rien de rien à cette langue héhé.
moi je les vois à 94, 95€ et elle ne sont pas disponibles.
Celles qui sont disponibles sur ce site sont à 99.95€
tu peux les trouver à 105€ en France en ce moment
à+
François
Hello,
C'est bien cool de tomber sur cette discution, je prépare justement mon voyage en asie deu sud-est, et j'allais me mettre à la recherche de saccoches. Est ce que quelqu'un peut me dire se que valent les saccoches roller ultralight SE de ortlieb chez www.outdoor-works.de? Elles ont l'air mieux que les special edition non? et en plus elles sont moins chères et moins moche.
Arnaud
Je fais "remonter" un vieux post qui à mon sens est une véritable mine d'or.
Pour info les sacoches ortlieb de couleur orange sont de nouveau dispo chez www.globetrotter.de
je viens d'acheter une paire de Ortlieb Front Roller Classic à 49.95 EUR et deux paires de Ortlieb Back Roller Classic à 59.95 EUR la paire
Soit 180 euros avec le port. Pour info la semaine dernière en me rendant chez cycles folies la paire de Ortlieb Back Roller Classic était affichée 150 euros...
Bonne soirée
Gones
"C'est parce que la lumiere se déplace plus vite que le son que certains ont l'air brillant avant d'avoir l'air con"
www.modes-doux.org -> mobilitez-vous!
Juste un p'tit mot pour vous dire qu'il n'existe pas que Ortlieb non plus !!!
Je viens de faire un séjour en Allemagne; J'ai acheté deux grosses sacoches Ortlieb pour l'avant (je mets mes gros bagages devant, car ça équilibre mieux à mon sens et je préfère réparer un rayon de la roue avant que de la roue arrière...) et j'ai également acheté deux petites sacoches Vaude à 70 euros pour l'arrière. Vaude fait du très bon matos, vu que c'était des techniciens d'Ortlieb qui ont monté leur propre boîte.
Ceux qui sont près de la frontière, vous avez vite fait de faire un petit détour en Allemagne pour ça. Tout le monde parle anglais, donc pas de souci avec la langue !
Voilà voilà. Bonne route à ceux qui sortent le vélo. Chez moi (en Auvergne), il neige. youpi matin, le printemps s'annonce bien...!
à la suite de ton message, j'ai jeté un oeil sur outdoor-works...
je suis germanophone, et sous chaque description d'article on peut lire grosso modo :
ces articles comportent des défauts d'aspect, leurs fonction et étanchéité ne sont pas garanties.
une explication au bas prix? l'affaire en est peut-être une si lesdits défauts sont mineurs.
j'ai pour ma part vu une promo chez globetrotter à moins de 60€ la paire de classic ortlieb.
Vaude fait du très bon matos, vu que c'était des techniciens d'Ortlieb qui ont monté leur propre boîte.
Ceux qui sont près de la frontière, vous avez vite fait de faire un petit détour en Allemagne pour ça. Tout le monde parle anglais, donc pas de souci avec la langue !
j'ai acheté les sacoches ortlieb sur les conseils de florence21 et j'en suis ravi!
étanchéité ok: testée en irlande!
elles sont solides, très pratiques à utiliser et ont une grande capacité de stockage!
Bonjour, l'un de vous a t'il déja commandé les Ortlieb Back Roller Classic sur http://www.globetrotter.de, j'aimerais savoir de combien sont les frais de port pour la france et si ils acceptent le paiement paypal.
Je viens d'acheter des sacoches Oertlieb sur Outdoor-works, j'ai fait le versement hier et pour l'instant aucune confimation de mon versement ou d'un possbile envoie... Sa m'inquiète un peu quand même...
Pareil.
Aucune confirmation de la prise en compte de mon paiement (par Paypal) et mes sacoches Ortlieb Front Ultralight SE sont arrivées aujourd'hui (à Quimper, tout à l'ouest de la France), vendredi 23 juin 2006, 48h après la commande, avant le porte bagage commandé chez worden.FR !
Bonjour ewen,
Tu as les sacoches Ortlieb Ultralight?
Je cherches des infos sur ce model. Ils n'en parle pas sur le site de Ortlieb.
Quel est la different avec les sacoches Ortlieb "normal"?
Merci
Oui, j'ai reçu mes saccoches Ortlieb Front Ultralight vendredi dernier (23 juin 2006).
540g chacunes (vérifié sur ma balance de cusine).Ce sont mes premières saccoches Ortlieb. Je possédais des saccoches CORDO (820g - marque néérlandaise inconnue). Je ne peux donc pas comparer avec d'autres saccoches Ortlieb.
Voila je suis intéressez part ses sacoches via le site internet outdoor-works der mais j'ai une interrogation, sur le site il marque bien que le prix est indiqué pour 1 article alors je me demande si c'est la saoche ou la paire qui coute 43euros par exemple pour celle la
Parceque si c'est qu'un sacoche ca vaut moyen le cout par contre si c'est la pair ca le fait bien, autre question adapter des sacoche back sur un porte bagage avant tubus tara ca marche ou bof.
Ma question parait un peu bète mais merci quand meme.
Biz et merci du plan c vraiment pas chers ce site.
Désolée, mais je pense que c'est une seule sacoche pour ce prix. Si c'est la paire, j'en achète un stock tout de suite... Même les front roller (12 litres) tu ne les trouves pas à ce prix-là.
Bonjour,
Je cherche des sacoches ortlieb pour équiper mon vélo car je pars 6 semaines au Tadjikistan et je suis tombée sur votre annonce un peu datée mais bien utile. J'ai consulté le site outdoor works et les sacoches Back roller classic me semblent OK. Les avez-vous vous-même commandées à cette adresse ? Auriez-vous également une bonne adresse à me donner pour un achat de réchaud à gaz ou kérosène et quel modèle vous semble-t-il le mieux ? je pense également me racheter un vélo mais je n'ai pas assez de recul pour savoir le modèle le plus adapté pour le voyage en tt terrain. (pas trop lourd, robuste) Pouuriez-vous me donner des conseils ? Merci tout plein. Cordialement, nadine
J'ai acheté une paire de sacoches back roller plus chez outdoor works fin 2010 et tu peux te lancer, aucun souci avec ce site. J'ai payé par virement bancaire (aucun frais). Juste des frais d'envoi de 12 euros il me semble. Un bon plan qui reste d'actualité...
Il y a aussi Globetrotter.de où elles sont à 90€ frais de port compris (80+10). Faut juste accepter la couleur et le fait qu'elles sont démunies de poche intérieure, comme les Ortlieb classiques.
2010 : Grenoble -> Lyon -> Montpellier à vélo
2011 : Grenoble -> Strasbourg en trike
2012 : Grenoble -> Royan (côte Atlantique) en trike et en groupe (avec des cyclos)
2013 : Grenoble -> Laguiole en vélo de route et en groupe (avec des cyclos)
Merci, je vais commander une paire de sacoches chez eux mais je crois qu'ils n'acceptent que le paiement paypal. Enfin je vais voir...
J'aurais une autre question au sujet du vélo. Je veux faire le pamir HWY au Tadjikistan avec un assez vieux vélo (23 vitesses, 14kg et je vais changer les pneus...) mais je me demande si c'est bien raisonnable étant donné l'état des routes mais en même temps je ne veux pas rouler avec un vélo flambant neuf. Connaissez vous un type de vélo qui conviendrait bien pour ce type de voyage et éventuellement d'autres. C'est pas facile de faire le bon choix. Merci et à bientôt, nadine
cela doit signifier qu'il n'y a pas de poche à l'intérieur des sacoches. Je te confirme que lors de ma commande, ils m'ont bien livré 2 sacoches entière 😉
bonsoir Nadine
pour le vélo je peux te proposer un vélo tout équipé je suis obligé de vendre tous mes vélos - maladie- va voir l'annonce sur le bon coin et bonne route
bonne soirée
gérard
bonsoir
tapez VTC puis sports et hobbies puis Pyrennes Atlantiques code postal 64600 et tu tombes sur l'annonce passée le 1er Mai
bonne recherche sinon passe un coup de fil 0632673269 ou 0547642447-le soir_ je te rappellerai
gérard
Voila mon voyage va commencer en belgique ou ouest allemagne jaime bcp savoir si il est possible de trouver des sacoches ortlieb back roller classic pour…
Viens de m'installer a barcelone et je cherche des sacoches ortlieb ou agu si quelqu'un connait des magasins ou on peut trouver des sacoches ortlieb ou agu a…
J'ai dans l'idée d'acheter ces sacoches Ortlieb sur outdoorworks. Mais le (2.Wahl) me bloque un peu... Qu'est-ce que ça signifie? J'ai traduis par "choix" mais…
Sur les sacoches Ortlieb il y a 2 types de fixation. les Quick Lock 1 et les Quick Lock 2. Je n'ai pas bien senti la difference entre les 2 modeles si ce n'est…
I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough?
And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
I’m planning to build a new touring bike.
I want to prioritize lightness.
That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads.
The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper.
I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork.
Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm.
It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring.
And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear.
More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.
It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.
One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.
We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.
Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena
vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes
Here are his travels
Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné
Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way
Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place
Rural and quite peaceful
A road cycling route created by Serge B...
First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025.
It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border.
We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure!
Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food
I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics
Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads
The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route
I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.