Madagascar - Short-stay visa for France refused
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OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Regarding short-stay visa applications for tourism at the French Consulate General in ANTANANARIVO, files are reviewed and approved in sequence by three (3) different people before a final decision and approval is granted.

This is to avoid any form of negligence and/or collusion.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Regarding short-stay visa applications—tourism—at the French Consulate General in ANTANANARIVO, files are successively reviewed and approved by three (3) different people before a final decision and approval is granted.

This is to avoid any form of negligence and/or collusion.

This is purely a local directive, proving that a good atmosphere and trust prevail at the Consulate 😉
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

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QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
Thanks for your respectful, constructive, and well-argued response, complete with very specific examples related to the main topic. You pointed out that your journey to success wasn’t exactly a walk in the park, unlike someone on this forum who dared to claim otherwise.
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
"This is purely a local directive, proving that a good atmosphere and trust prevail at the Consulate."

Could you provide evidence that this is solely a local directive and not an international one? Have you already visited each of the hundreds of French consular offices worldwide to draw this conclusion? Unless it’s just another troll post, as you used to do!
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
"It’s purely a local directive, proving that a good atmosphere and trust prevail at the Consulate"

Could you provide evidence that this is solely a local directive and not an international one? Have you visited each of the hundreds of French consular offices worldwide to reach that conclusion? Unless it’s just another troll post like you used to do !

😉😉😉
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Regarding short-stay visa applications for tourism at the French Consulate General in ANTANANARIVO, files are successively reviewed and approved by three (3) different people before a final decision and approval is granted.

This is to avoid any form of negligence and/or collusion.

This is purely a local directive, which proves that a good atmosphere and trust prevail at the Consulate 😉

I’d lean more toward a "general" directive—most consular offices, especially in "developing countries," likely face the same issues, I think.
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
The loss of trust in the administrative system, forgeries, fraud, corruption, and especially poverty—common in Africa and some Eastern European countries—make the Ministry of the Interior wary of easily issuing visas. This is why there are special, yet official, directives for developing countries.

Unlike some wealthy countries such as Canada, the USA, or Switzerland, which have signed special agreements to ease Schengen visa requirements for their citizens, even if a French person marries a Canadian and the latter applies for one.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Regarding short-stay visa applications for tourism at the French Consulate General in ANTANANARIVO, files are successively reviewed and approved by three (3) different people before a final decision and issuance.

To avoid any form of negligence and/or collusion.

This is purely a local directive, proving that a good atmosphere and trust prevail at the Consulate 😉

I’d rather lean toward a "general" directive—most consular offices, especially in "developing countries," face the same issues, I believe.

Let’s be serious—having three people monitor each other for visa issuance can only be an internal consulate procedure! You have private-sector experience, and I’ve worked enough in the civil service, including at an embassy, to be certain of what I’m saying. Or maybe it’s simply a matter of hierarchy, which doesn’t even deserve mentioning since it’s a general rule in administration!
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Regarding short-stay visa applications – tourism – at the French Consulate General in ANTANANARIVO, files are successively reviewed and approved by three (3) different people before a final decision and issuance.

This is to avoid any form of negligence and/or collusion.

This is purely a local directive, proving that a good atmosphere and trust prevail at the Consulate 😉

I’d rather lean toward a "general" directive—most consular offices, especially in "developing countries," are, I think, facing the same issues.

Let’s be serious—having three people monitor each other for visa issuance can only be part of a consulate’s internal organization! You have private-sector experience, and I have enough experience in administration, including at an embassy, to be sure of what I’m saying. Or else it’s simply about applying hierarchy, and that doesn’t deserve mention since it’s a general rule in administration!

I’m just sharing what I heard directly from a consular officer.

She told me that the visa application file goes through three (3) different people who, in turn, check its content and information.

Each one then gives their opinion before the Deputy Consul in charge of the Visa Service makes the final decision.

This succession of "reviews" is reportedly why applicants are often asked to provide additional documents, depending on each reviewer’s perception and "sensitivity" toward the request,
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
There’s a reason you’re well aware of—and one I won’t go into on the forum—that justifies these checks.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
"I have enough experience with the Administration, including an Embassy, to be certain of what I'm saying."

A French consular office has nothing to do with a French embassy, my friend. You should inform yourself before spouting nonsense because it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about! Consulate officials are police prefects, not diplomats. They report to the public prosecutor, who in turn reports to Manuel Valls, the head of the National Police. Therefore, your statements prove you have no experience with the "National Police," which is the only authority competent to refuse, issue, renew, control, and revoke visas in France and worldwide through consular offices—essentially French prefectures abroad. In short, you know nothing about the National Police.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
" Consulate officials are police prefects, not diplomats. They report to the public prosecutor, who in turn reports to Manuel Valls, the head of the National Police.

🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 That’ll give more than a few people a good laugh!
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
WI Winnetou Regular ·
" Consulate officials are police prefects, not diplomats. They report to the public prosecutor, who in turn reports to Manuel Valls, the head of the National Police.

Unless I'm mistaken, consulates and consuls fall under the authority of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so under Fabius, not Valls...
WI Winnetou Regular ·
It’s a long, drawn-out battle—extremely discouraging... In the end, there’s no refusal that the administration can’t justify. You can only blame them for excessive zeal and a lack of consideration or empathy, especially when you feel you’re "in the right"... but hey, they’re just following orders... 😉 to discourage as many people as possible.

I think everything’s perfectly summed up in those few lines. I know two couples who really struggled with this, but thankfully it worked out for them in the end.
KM Kmsprodution Regular ·
"I have enough experience with the Administration, including an Embassy, to be certain of what I'm saying."

A French consular office has nothing to do with a French embassy, my friend. You should inform yourself before spouting nonsense because it’s ridiculous! The officials at a consulate are police prefects, not diplomats. They report to the public prosecutor, who in turn reports to Manuel Valls, the head of the National Police. Therefore, your statements prove you have no experience with the "National Police," which is the only authority competent to refuse, issue, renew, control, and revoke visas in France and worldwide through consular offices that function like French prefectures abroad. In short, you know nothing about the National Police.

I could roll on the floor of my little house laughing! Waaaaaaa... But is he even talking about France here? Where did he get this info? I’m laughing my head off... (As Canteloup would say) My 15-year-old niece peed herself hearing the nonsense this guy spouted with such confidence and eagerness to lecture... She learned this stuff in 7th grade! Personally... I keep reading and rereading it for laughs. Nooo, but this guy’s a "real comedian"...
Ce n'est pas un pays qui fait de toi ce que tu es, mais c'est toi qui fait du pays ce qu'il est.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
" Consular officials are police prefects, not diplomats. They fall under the hierarchy of the public prosecutor, who in turn reports to Manuel Valls, the head of the National Police.

Unless I'm mistaken, consulates and consuls are under the authority of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so under Fabius, not Valls...

Hello,

You're absolutely right—the supervising ministry is indeed the MFA, even though the Consul coordinates with the Ministry of the Interior for visa issuance. And consular officials have never been police prefects.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
It’s enough to make you roll on the floor of my little house Waaaaaaa. . . .But is he really talking about France here? Where did he get this info? But I’m laughing my head off. . .(Like Canteloup says) My 15-year-old niece peed herself hearing the nonsense this guy spouted with so much confidence and eagerness to lecture. . . . Because she learned that in 7th grade. . .. Personally. . .. I keep reading and rereading it to laugh Nooo, but he’s a ""real comedian"" this guy. . .

He’s a collector of blunders 😉😉😉
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
" Civil servants at a consulate are police prefects, not diplomats. They fall under the hierarchy of the public prosecutor, who in turn reports to Manuel Valls, the head of the National Police.

Unless I’m mistaken, consulates and consuls are under the authority of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so Fabius, not Valls...

Hello,

You’re absolutely right—the supervising ministry is indeed the MFA, even though the Consul coordinates with the Ministry of the Interior for visa issuance. And consular civil servants have never been police prefects

That said, he’s partially correct.

Consuls aren’t diplomats.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Civil servants at a consulate are prefects of police, not diplomats.

That said, he’s partly right.

Consuls are not diplomats.

In a pile of nonsense, you might manage to find a grain of truth—but you’d have to dig for it with a magnifying glass and still rule out that consulate officials aren’t prefects of police. Saying consuls aren’t diplomats isn’t even accurate. Some Consul General positions are held by high-ranking diplomats.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
Since when does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs issue visas?? That’s really funny! I’m going to tell my Malagasy friend to renew his visa at the Quai d’Orsay instead of the préfecture! Let’s see if that works!
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
"And consular officials have never been police prefects"

Have you ever read the texts that govern the duties of consuls? Of course not, since you probably never had access to their employment contracts.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
"And consular officials have never been police prefects"

Have you ever read the texts that govern the duties of consuls? Of course not, since you’ve probably never had access to their employment contracts.

Stop making a fool of yourself and learn that the rules governing the work of civil servants are set by their status, not by an employment contract. Don’t insist on a subject you don’t understand at all.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

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QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
"The rules governing the work of state civil servants are set by their status and not by an employment contract."

That’s the typical reaction of someone who’s never read the employment contract of a French consul and yet claims to know everything about what a consul is supposed to do. Otherwise, summarize the first five articles of a French consul’s employment contract for me. Just to test how poor your knowledge is.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
"The rules governing the work of state civil servants are set by their status and not by an employment contract."

That’s the typical reaction of someone who’s never read the employment contract of a French consul and yet claims to know everything about what a consul is supposed to do. Otherwise, summarize the first five articles of a French consul’s employment contract for me. Just to test how poor your knowledge is.

A consul is a category A state civil servant (usually off-scale). State civil servants don’t have employment contracts—is that clear? Once again, you’re confusing a mission letter with an employment contract. You don’t understand anything. Test your own knowledge before criticizing mine, and don’t try to lecture me—you’re far from qualified.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
Are you French? Did you study at ENA? Do you have professional experience in the French administration, specifically within the French Ministry of the Interior? No, I suppose not! Did you know there are things you learn at ENA and also in the administration that are never indexed by Google (luckily Google is there to save you in the nick of time from your total ignorance by providing just enough correct info to save face)? Come on! Enroll at ENA and apply to the Ministry of the Interior just to see how things work there.
YO Yodventure Regular ·
Hello,

Wikipedia to settle the debate? A Consul is a category A civil servant, under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and, among other things, acts as the town hall for civil status and as the prefect (in coordination with the Ministry of the Interior) for the safety of their fellow citizens and the issuance of visas.

Mission and organization The international status of consulates and consuls is defined by the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963[2]. The establishment of consular relations between two states is done by mutual consent but is not necessarily linked to diplomatic relations. The opening of a consular post, whether principal (consulate or consular section of an embassy) or secondary (vice-consulate or consular agency), is always subject to the consent of the host state (or receiving state). The consul is appointed by the head of the sending state and can only exercise their mission after receiving the exequatur from the host country, a procedure comparable to the presentation of an ambassador's letters of credence. Unlike an embassy, which is almost always located in the capital of the host state, there can be several consulates (or consular agencies) established in the largest cities of the country. Consular duties can be carried out in capitals within a consular section by the diplomatic authority (embassy). As a result, consulates are often located outside the capital, rather in the main provincial cities. However, there are some special cases: for example, the Embassy of France in Israel is located in Tel Aviv, and the Consulate General in Jerusalem, the latter also serving as an official interlocutor with the Palestinian Authority. Even though consulates are independent of the ambassador in carrying out their mission, they must nevertheless keep them informed. The consulate is organized around a: Consul General or consulDeputy ConsulFor France, consuls are civil servants of category A from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, meaning they are secretaries or advisors for foreign affairs. It is also common for vice-consuls, category B agents, to be presented as consuls, particularly in the consular sections of embassies. The consulate is responsible for registering and assisting all nationals of the country represented by the embassy, in compliance with local laws and public order. It also performs the functions of a town hall and notary for expatriates. It maintains civil status records, issues identity documents and passports to these nationals, and visas to nationals or residents of the host country, draws up notarial acts, and organizes elections. It also provides assistance and support to its nationals in case of difficulties with local authorities, including within the framework of judicial proceedings. It may be required to organize the evacuation of its citizens. It has the right to intervene with ships and aircraft registered in the sending country, within the framework of control or assistance. More generally, it serves as the link between the country of origin and the host country. Since the creation of the position, the consul has been authorized to gather commercial information and to promote the development of commercial, economic, cultural, and scientific relations between the two states. The area of influence of a consulate (and consequently of a consul) in the country is called a consular district. It represents either the entire country or a territorial division of the sending country.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Are you French? Did you study at ENA? Do you have professional experience in the French administration, specifically within the French Ministry of the Interior? No, I suppose! Did you know there are things you learn at ENA and in the administration that are never indexed by Google (lucky Google is there to save your complete ignorance at the last minute by providing the little bit of correct info needed to save face)! Come on! Enroll at ENA and apply to the Ministry of the Interior just to see how things work there.

In a conversation with a fool, the smartest one leaves—that’s what I’m going to do.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
Unfortunately, that Wikipedia article I read ages ago doesn’t mention the confidential stuff like work contracts! What a shame! Oh my goodness! If education were reduced to just Google or Wikipedia, I’d wonder where this world is headed!
QU Quatrevingt Veteran ·
The gentleman is running out of arguments and leaving! And he dares to claim that a consul works under the table without an employment contract!
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Unfortunately, this Wikipedia article doesn’t mention the confidential stuff like work contracts! Too bad!

😉😉😉😉😉
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
WI Winnetou Regular ·
Since when does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs issue visas? Really funny, huh! I’ll tell my Malagasy friend to renew his visa at the Quai d’Orsay instead of the préfecture! Let’s see if that works!

I said it and I stand by it: consulates—and consuls—are under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. End of story. No need to overcomplicate things to muddy the waters. There are only two possible answers to my point: yes or no. So if you want to see a joker, just look in the mirror! The day I bring up the issue of renewing a passport, you’ll have every right to contradict me.
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
This really clarifies the respective prerogatives of Embassies and Consulates.

Too many people in this discussion seem to be "happily mixing things up" indeed.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
That clearly outlines the respective responsibilities of Embassies and Consulates.

Too many participants in this discussion seem to be "happily mixing things up."

It would seem more accurate to say: a participant is talking nonsense!
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Consulate officials are prefects of police, not diplomats.

That said, he’s partly right.

Consuls are not diplomats.

In a pile of nonsense, you might manage to find a grain of truth, but you’d have to search hard and rule out the fact that consulate officials are not prefects of police. Saying that consuls aren’t diplomats isn’t even accurate. Some Consul General positions are held by high-ranking diplomats.

I’ll insist on this point.

A consul does not hold a diplomatic role, unlike an ambassador, who is indeed a diplomat.

However, some consul positions may be filled by former diplomats, but generally speaking, the two careers are quite distinct.
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
This clearly outlines the respective prerogatives of Embassies and Consulates.

Too many participants in this discussion seem to be "happily mixing things up."

It would be more accurate to say: one participant is talking nonsense!

Another common example is people confusing the PAF - Border Police - with Customs.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Consulate officials are police prefects, not diplomats.

That said, he’s partly right.

Consuls are not diplomats.

In a pile of nonsense, you might manage to find a grain of truth, but you’d still have to dig for it with a magnifying glass and rule out the fact that consulate officials aren’t police prefects. Saying that consuls aren’t diplomats isn’t even accurate. Some Consul General positions are held by high-ranking diplomats.

I’ll insist on this point.

A Consul doesn’t hold a diplomatic position, unlike an Ambassador, who *is* a diplomat.

However, some Consul positions may be filled by former diplomats, but generally speaking, the two careers are quite distinct.

"http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulat_(diplomatie)"]http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulat_(diplomatie)

Consulate General The most important consulates are called consulates general. A consulate general performs the same functions but is led by a high-ranking diplomat and is usually located outside the capital. For France, the Consul General typically holds the rank of "Foreign Affairs Advisor."

Now it’s my turn to insist—I’m not mixing anything up, especially not when it comes to the French administration. I didn’t write anything beyond what’s stated above.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
And the first thing the consulate checks is your personal and professional situations (yours and your partner’s). Because the last thing they check is actually the marriage certificate. The solution I could suggest is to put together a really solid application, highlighting your stable personal and professional situations first.

A young French student offering to host her foreign boyfriend—also young, from MADAGASCAR, and likely with limited resources—doesn’t exactly provide much to "highlight."

This comment, of course, isn’t a reflection on the moral character or admirable intentions of the two (2) lovebirds.
VA Vagalame Regular ·
Are there any mods on the plane? We're totally going off-topic here. The thread was started by a young woman asking for advice on getting a visa for France. Do you remember that, by the way? The topic was ruined by a pedantic argument that didn’t help anyone at all.
KA Karakory49 Globetrotter ·
And with the blood relationship when you have a little one (child), what does that give you... in conclusion!!!! But it's still "not much" when you consider the appeal of family reunification later (for the future husband).

This comment, of course, in no way prejudges the moral qualities and commendable intentions of the two (2) lovers.
l'important n'est pas de convaincre, mais de donner à réfléchir
KA Karakory49 Globetrotter ·
A Consulate is basically a radicalized prefecture juggling its nationals... outside its borders. You’re all looking for *midi moins cinq* ("five to noon" is a term specific to the pirates of Sainte-Marie).

l'important n'est pas de convaincre, mais de donner à réfléchir
KA Karakory49 Globetrotter ·
Also, starting this Monday, replacing your biometric passport with the new Electronic Passport is now a thing.
l'important n'est pas de convaincre, mais de donner à réfléchir
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Are there any mods on the plane? We're going off-topic fast. The thread was started by a young woman asking for advice on getting a visa for France. Do you remember that at all? The topic was ruined by a pedantic argument that didn’t help anyone.

I think that’s the right way to "refocus" the topic.
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Consular officials are police prefects, not diplomats.

That said, he’s partly right.

Consuls are not diplomats.

In a pile of nonsense, you might manage to find a grain of truth, but you’d have to search hard with a magnifying glass and rule out that consular officials aren’t police prefects. Saying that consuls aren’t diplomats isn’t even accurate. Some Consul General positions are held by high-ranking diplomats.

I’ll insist on this point.

A Consul does not hold a diplomatic position, unlike an Ambassador, who is indeed a diplomat.

However, some Consul positions may be filled by former diplomats, but generally, the two careers are quite distinct.

"http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulat_(diplomatie)"]http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulat_(diplomatie)

General Consulate The most important consulates are called consulates general. A consulate general performs the same functions but is headed by a high-ranking diplomat and is most often located outside the capital. For France, the Consul General typically holds the rank of "Foreign Affairs Advisor."

Now it’s my turn to insist—I’m not mixing anything up, especially not when it comes to the French administration. I didn’t write anything beyond what’s stated above.

Our difference of opinion stems from the fact that you’re focusing on the individual, whereas I’m focusing on the position—its function.

On this point, the nomenclature clearly distinguishes diplomatic positions—Ambassador—from consular positions—Consul General, Consul, Vice-Consul—.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
Are there any mods on board? We're getting off track here. The thread was started by a young woman asking for advice on getting a visa for France. You remember that, right? The topic was ruined by a pedantic argument that didn’t help anyone at all.

AdelineMada got perfectly reasonable answers, even if they weren’t what she was hoping for. Arlaud was also given advice but chose to take the conversation to private messages pretty quickly. Now, if the moderator had to step in every time someone went off-topic, there’d be no Madagascar forum left—and that would’ve happened a long time ago. He lets people express themselves freely, and I think that’s a good thing.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
Are there any mods on the plane? We're going off-topic fast. The thread was started by a young woman asking for advice on getting a visa for France. You remember it, right? The topic was ruined by a pedantic showdown that didn’t help anyone at all.

AdelineMada got perfectly reasonable answers, even if they weren’t what she hoped for. Arlaud also got the info she needed—she just chose to take the conversation to private messages pretty quickly. Now, if the moderator had to step in every time the topic went off-track, there’d be no forum left about Madagascar, and that’s been true for a long time. He lets people express themselves freely, and I think that’s a good thing.

I think AdelineMada’s and Arlaud’s plans—though they seem like sincere personal efforts that really matter to them—still have a good dose of naivety and don’t quite account for some realities.

The "citizenship of the world," a credo of the alter-globalization movement, isn’t happening anytime soon. The idea that we’ll one day be able to move, settle, and work wherever we please is still a pipe dream—and honestly, maybe that’s for the best.

MADAGASCAR still makes people dream, though ?????

Both Malagasy people looking to leave in search of a better future and foreigners still hoping to strike it rich or live out a "prosperous retirement" there.

In both cases, though, it seems like there are a lot more disappointed people than satisfied ones.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
I won’t go any further into the case of AdelineMada and Arlaud, for a simple reason. On a forum, there’s what’s said and what isn’t. Without questioning their sincerity, nothing proves their true motivations are clearly stated. Those who want to make money in Madagascar are free to believe it. It’s always hard to dissuade someone who believes in it! As for retirees, I don’t know what "retirement à la prosper youp la boom" means—excuse my ignorance. The thing about being retired is not knowing how much time you have left, so I live my retirement day by day, which doesn’t stop me from having plans—it’s not contradictory. Today I’m in Madagascar, tomorrow I might be somewhere else. I’m not a "sand-trapped" resident of the Big Island.
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OC OcéanI Veteran ·
I won’t go further into the case of AdelineMada and Arlaud, for a simple reason. On a forum, there’s what’s said and what isn’t. Without questioning their sincerity, nothing guarantees their true motivations are clearly stated.

I completely agree with your analysis.

In my opinion, this fully justifies the caution of French authorities when issuing visas.

Those who want to make money in Madagascar are free to believe it. It’s always hard to dissuade someone who’s convinced!

And yet, if they only knew what they could gain—or at least avoid losing—by sometimes bothering to listen to others!!!!!

As for retirees, I don’t know what "retraite à la prosper youp la boom" means. Pardon my ignorance.

They’re the ones who think the plane taking them to MADAGASCAR is a time machine.
1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
In my opinion, this fully justifies the caution of the French authorities when issuing visas.

I think we need to differentiate between two categories of visa applicants:

Foreigners applying for various reasons—business trips, tourism, family visits, etc. Spouses of French citizens. I got married in Madagascar and actually didn’t encounter any difficulties. The meet-up at the Consulate was courteous and brief. It didn’t feel like a police investigation at all, maybe because I was a resident in Madagascar and there were no children involved. I only completed the transcription over two years later, after returning to France. A complete file and three months later, it was done. For the visa, the main difficulty came from the unpredictable postal service in 2009. It took 15 days to get a meet-up, and three weeks later, my wife had her visa. In addition to the civil status documents, I provided proof of accommodation and proof of income, even though they weren’t even requested. I think the trend now leans more toward easing requirements for this category of applicants rather than tightening them.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

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1S 1sitraka2 Globetrotter ·
These are the people who imagine the plane that brings them to MADAGASCAR is a time machine.

I don’t know many, but it’s true that some retirees move here after just a one-month tourist stay in Madagascar. I’m a bit annoyed with some hotel owners who let them believe in a retirement here that’s far from reality.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/ile-sainte-marie-madagascar-octobre-2018-d9188932/

https://voyageforum.com/discussion/souvenirs-grande-ile-d7233640/
OC OcéanI Veteran ·
These are the people who imagine the plane taking them to MADAGASCAR is a time machine.

I don’t know many, but it’s true that some retirees move here after just one month-long tourist stay in Madagascar. I’m a bit annoyed at some hotel owners who let them believe retirement here is very different from reality.

That’s true.

Some even set themselves up as "middlemen."

Like, "Come to MADAGASCAR, you’ll see how great it is. I’ll introduce you to someone who’ll take care of your "real/fake papers," plus my girlfriend’s little sister who just turned eighteen (18) :::::"

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