Marié avec une Thaïlandaise
by Fortini
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
🙂J'ai une grande gueule ..D'ailleurs Monsieur Bottu le sait😛
Perso: j'aime toutes les femmes de la planète😄
au mois d'aout rentrant en France pour 3 longues semaines, le jour de mon depart Paï m'a préparer entre le midi et le soir TOUS mes plats préférés, sa facon a elle de me dire : << tu va me manquer >>
SI c'est pas mignon çà !😉
SI c'est pas mignon çà !😉
je n'ai point d'ennemis, mais si je dois en avoir un, fais que sa force soit égale à la mienne et que seule la vérité chante victoire.
thai ou europenne a la fin c'est tout pareil!!!
et le mariage pour reprendre une citation de notre ami Desproges: " le mariage c'est resoudre a deux des emmerdes que tu n'aurais jamais eu tout seul!!!" ET CA MARCHE AUSSI POUR LES MARIAGES "MIXTES"!!!"
Sinon il me semble que les femmes thai sont plus abordables et bien moins autaines que certaines de nos compatriotes.
apres l'amour c'est l'amour et tu ne choisis pas vraiment, ca devait etre elle et pas une autre.
Pure curiosité et j'embraye sur une variante.
On entend toujours parler des femmes thaïs qui se marient avec des occidentaux... mais qu'en est-il des hommes thaïs? Qui s'est déjà mariée avec un Thaï?
Je suppose que je n'aurais pas beaucoup de réponses... Mais si tel devrait être le cas, pourquoi les hommes thaïs ne s'intéressent pas aux femmes occidentales et pourquoi les femmes occidentales ne s'intéressent pas aux hommes thaïs?
Detrompe toi, ma femme est occidentale et crois moi ils s'y interressais beaucoup...... Maintenant, je pense que l'education d'une femme Thai est tous ce dont un homme(qui a toujour des petits coter machiste) peut rever.....Ici, les femmes ont la meme place que nos meres voire nos grand mere avais a l'epoque... Et la gentilesse, le sourire et la douceur en font craquer plus d'un.... Et puis, c'est tellement different et la difference attire.....
On entend toujours parler des femmes thaïs qui se marient avec des occidentaux... mais qu'en est-il des hommes thaïs? Qui s'est déjà mariée avec un Thaï?
Je suppose que je n'aurais pas beaucoup de réponses... Mais si tel devrait être le cas, pourquoi les hommes thaïs ne s'intéressent pas aux femmes occidentales et pourquoi les femmes occidentales ne s'intéressent pas aux hommes thaïs?
Detrompe toi, ma femme est occidentale et crois moi ils s'y interressais beaucoup...... Maintenant, je pense que l'education d'une femme Thai est tous ce dont un homme(qui a toujour des petits coter machiste) peut rever.....Ici, les femmes ont la meme place que nos meres voire nos grand mere avais a l'epoque... Et la gentilesse, le sourire et la douceur en font craquer plus d'un.... Et puis, c'est tellement different et la difference attire.....
La ou le vent nous emporteras
Et puis, c'est tellement different et la difference attire.....
je te remercie d'avoir écris cela, car malheureusement au quotidien la différence éloigne car les gens en ont peur ...
c'est l'expérience de ma vie quotidienne au coté des handicapés mentaux !
pour ton retour, j'espère que tu ne trouveras pas une situation trop catastrophique et que tu pourras préparer ta saison sans pbs.
je te remercie d'avoir écris cela, car malheureusement au quotidien la différence éloigne car les gens en ont peur ...
c'est l'expérience de ma vie quotidienne au coté des handicapés mentaux !
pour ton retour, j'espère que tu ne trouveras pas une situation trop catastrophique et que tu pourras préparer ta saison sans pbs.
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Merci.....
Ben ca devrais aller, je prend l'avion demain, donc il me reste 2 mois et demi.....
Merci😉
La ou le vent nous emporteras
<<<..Ici, les femmes ont la meme place que nos meres voire nos grand mere avais a l'epoque...
Et la gentilesse, le sourire et la douceur en font craquer plus d'un....
Et puis, c'est tellement different et la difference attire.....>>>>
attention aux généralités 🤪, , plus de un te diront, que il y a de véritables vampires, destructrices, manipulatrices,
la femme thaïe est aussi variée que il y a de femmes thaïes, ,
attention aux généralités 🤪, , plus de un te diront, que il y a de véritables vampires, destructrices, manipulatrices,
la femme thaïe est aussi variée que il y a de femmes thaïes, ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Oui, tu as raison, mais les premiers sourires, les mains jointe pour te dire bonjour, et surtout le non qui n'existe pas.....
Ben vi, c'est ca, la difference....Et souvent on crois ou surtout on espere que l'herbe est plus verte ailleur....
Et quand l'esprit croit, les yeux vois😉
La ou le vent nous emporteras
tu as raison, et de plus c'est un coin superbe du var !!!!
alors pourquoi pas un jour, lors de l'un de mes déplacements professionnel !
a moins que tu ne viennes en corse, te réposer de ton séjour en thailande😉😉
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Ben ecoute, ca fait un bout de temps qu'on y pense, peut etre apres la saison et avant de revenir ici, on pourrais venir avec notre bateau....Une petite croisiere dans ton magnifique pays....😉
La ou le vent nous emporteras
SAWADEE
KHUN FORTINI
j'ai toujours craquer sur l'asie et les femmes asiatiques en particulier mais quand j'ai rencontrer la femme de ma vie c'est pour une corse que j'ai craquer une ajaccienne plus précisément je pense ce qui m'a attiré c'est ce coté "sauvage"
les yeux couleurs chataignes, la chevelure de jais et surtout le caractere!!!!!!
je pense qu'ils y a beaucoup de points communs avec les femmes asiatiques car beaucoup de corses ont un peu les yeux en amandes comme en asie .
BONNE SAINT VALENTIN à tous
PACE A SALUTE DAN
PACE A SALUTE DAN
VIVEZ HEUREUX AUJOURD'HUI CAR DEMAIN IL SERA TROP TARD (TAO BY)
CARPE DIEM
Salut a toi
je te remercie de ton témoignage, et qui plus est, souhaite une belle journée d'amour a tous ! j'ai posté sur le continent indien une photo de taj ; mais je ne résiste pas à la mettre ici !
tu as raison nos femmes corses sont aussi dépaysantes que les asiatiques ! bonne journée a toi et ta famille
je te remercie de ton témoignage, et qui plus est, souhaite une belle journée d'amour a tous ! j'ai posté sur le continent indien une photo de taj ; mais je ne résiste pas à la mettre ici !
tu as raison nos femmes corses sont aussi dépaysantes que les asiatiques ! bonne journée a toi et ta familletrouver son chemin personnel a travers le chemin initiatique du voyage
namasté,
j'apporte une goutte d'eau à ton moulin, moi je suis attirée par les hommes asiatiques, un je ne sais quoi, de douceur et profondeur dans le regard, ce sourire qui me fait fondre, cette philosophie, tout me va.....
Bonne journée
Franca
<< .....notre soif de survie dans le futur nous rend incapables de vivre dans le présent .....>>. Chuang TZU
A toi et à Davdevil,
Vous me parlez de vos cas particuliers qui, si j'ai bien compris, se sont arrêtés à des "expériences", ou une "attirance", mais qu'en est-il de ma vraie question? Force est de constater que depuis mon post aucune femme (ou homme) ne s'est manifestée pour répondre à la question du mariage.
C'est une vraie question, pas une boutade ou une ironie qui viendrait en fin de débat. Je me pose la question puisque ayant vécu quelques mois (années si l'on compte tous mes séjours) en Thaïlande/Asie j'ai très rarement vu des couples mixtes femmes occidentales/hommes thaïs. En tous les cas, la proportion par rapport à l'inverse doit être infime (je n'ai aucun chiffre, c'est une pure spéculation).
Alors voici mon précédent post: "On entend toujours parler des femmes thaïs qui se marient avec des occidentaux... mais qu'en est-il des hommes thaïs? Qui s'est déjà mariée avec un Thaï?
Je suppose que je n'aurais pas beaucoup de réponses... Mais si tel devrait être le cas, pourquoi les hommes thaïs ne s'intéressent pas aux femmes occidentales et pourquoi les femmes occidentales ne s'intéressent pas aux hommes thaïs?"
Pour être tout à fait honnête j'ai ma petite idée, mais j'ai peur qu'elle ne soit qu'un cliché elle aussi. J'attends toujours le témoignage d'une occidentale s'étant mariée avec un thaï... Vous remarquerez que l'inverse a été très facile à trouver...
Je pense que, comme l'a dit David, beaucoup pensent que la femme thaï est plus "soumise", mais comme l'a dit Thuan, c'est un cliché. Mais beaucoup croient en ce cliché et beaucoup s'y sont cassés les dents. A contrario d'autres ont une très belle vie avec elles. Et j'ajouterais que dans tout cliché il y a une part de vérité, c'est ce qui fait que c'est un cliché (une vision parcellaire des choses, cloisonnée à l'intérieur d'un cadre limité).
Mais l'inverse??? C'est ça qui m'intéresse, l'inverse! Allez-y mesdames, vous qui vous êtes mariées avec un thaï! Témoignez!😄 Franca, es-tu déjà passée à l'acte? Même en flirt poussé? Je parle de thaïs en Thaïlande pas ici évidemment.
Vous me parlez de vos cas particuliers qui, si j'ai bien compris, se sont arrêtés à des "expériences", ou une "attirance", mais qu'en est-il de ma vraie question? Force est de constater que depuis mon post aucune femme (ou homme) ne s'est manifestée pour répondre à la question du mariage.
C'est une vraie question, pas une boutade ou une ironie qui viendrait en fin de débat. Je me pose la question puisque ayant vécu quelques mois (années si l'on compte tous mes séjours) en Thaïlande/Asie j'ai très rarement vu des couples mixtes femmes occidentales/hommes thaïs. En tous les cas, la proportion par rapport à l'inverse doit être infime (je n'ai aucun chiffre, c'est une pure spéculation).
Alors voici mon précédent post: "On entend toujours parler des femmes thaïs qui se marient avec des occidentaux... mais qu'en est-il des hommes thaïs? Qui s'est déjà mariée avec un Thaï?
Je suppose que je n'aurais pas beaucoup de réponses... Mais si tel devrait être le cas, pourquoi les hommes thaïs ne s'intéressent pas aux femmes occidentales et pourquoi les femmes occidentales ne s'intéressent pas aux hommes thaïs?"
Pour être tout à fait honnête j'ai ma petite idée, mais j'ai peur qu'elle ne soit qu'un cliché elle aussi. J'attends toujours le témoignage d'une occidentale s'étant mariée avec un thaï... Vous remarquerez que l'inverse a été très facile à trouver...
Je pense que, comme l'a dit David, beaucoup pensent que la femme thaï est plus "soumise", mais comme l'a dit Thuan, c'est un cliché. Mais beaucoup croient en ce cliché et beaucoup s'y sont cassés les dents. A contrario d'autres ont une très belle vie avec elles. Et j'ajouterais que dans tout cliché il y a une part de vérité, c'est ce qui fait que c'est un cliché (une vision parcellaire des choses, cloisonnée à l'intérieur d'un cadre limité).
Mais l'inverse??? C'est ça qui m'intéresse, l'inverse! Allez-y mesdames, vous qui vous êtes mariées avec un thaï! Témoignez!😄 Franca, es-tu déjà passée à l'acte? Même en flirt poussé? Je parle de thaïs en Thaïlande pas ici évidemment.
J'expose mon point de vue moi aussi!Je n'ai que 19 ans et pourtant j'ai été piqué par les filles asiatiques!QUEL PROBLEME car il n'y a que des Européennes autour de moi 🤪!
Je ne sais pas pourquoi mais j'ai beau regardé quand je marche dans ma fac (et pourtant les filles ne manquent pas !!!😉) mais je n'arrive pas à trouver un physique qui me plaît (il y en a bein sur mais pas des masses)!Anecdote: la dernière fois que je vais en discothèque, la seule fille que j'ai acosté était une coréenne😕!Elle est d'ailleurs retourné dans son pays (Mais que fais-je en France!!!Blague bien sur)!Ce qui m'atire hormis le physique? Surement cette gentillesse!Je veux pas tomber dans l'amalgame mais qu'est-ce-que les françaises sont foides (Je le suis sûrement aussi au passage!😛)!
Alala VIVEMENT mon retour en Thailande😎!
A++ Morgan
A++ Morgan
stages cycliste en Thailande
"tu as raison nos femmes corses sont aussi dépaysantes que les asiatiques !"
Ah bon? Tu charries un peu là non?😛😛😛 Tu ne voudrais quand même pas que ton île se remplisse de tabourets? 😛😛😛
Si je puis me permettre le asiatiques les plus belles que j'aie vues sont en Mongolie à causes des formes plus généreuses... mais bon, question de goûts et de couleurs... Et côté caractère, comme le disait un pote ours polonais à Ulaanbator mort bourré: "mogolian girls? A russian mind in an asiatic body!" (les femmes mongoles? un esprit russe dans un corps asiatique)...
Mais d'une manière générale les asiatiques m'attirent peu, je préfère les formes généreuses des corses😛😛😛
Ah bon? Tu charries un peu là non?😛😛😛 Tu ne voudrais quand même pas que ton île se remplisse de tabourets? 😛😛😛
Si je puis me permettre le asiatiques les plus belles que j'aie vues sont en Mongolie à causes des formes plus généreuses... mais bon, question de goûts et de couleurs... Et côté caractère, comme le disait un pote ours polonais à Ulaanbator mort bourré: "mogolian girls? A russian mind in an asiatic body!" (les femmes mongoles? un esprit russe dans un corps asiatique)...
Mais d'une manière générale les asiatiques m'attirent peu, je préfère les formes généreuses des corses😛😛😛
namasté,
''Témoignez!😄 Franca, es-tu déjà passée à l'acte? Même en flirt poussé? Je parle de thaïs en Thaïlande pas ici évidemment. ''
en réponse : non migrador, car je ne suis jamais allée en thailande, mon premier voyage est prévu juin 2007 pour quelques semaines; si je trouve un mari thaï qui sait, je t'invite au mariage... hi hi bonne soirée Franca
''Témoignez!😄 Franca, es-tu déjà passée à l'acte? Même en flirt poussé? Je parle de thaïs en Thaïlande pas ici évidemment. ''
en réponse : non migrador, car je ne suis jamais allée en thailande, mon premier voyage est prévu juin 2007 pour quelques semaines; si je trouve un mari thaï qui sait, je t'invite au mariage... hi hi bonne soirée Franca
<< .....notre soif de survie dans le futur nous rend incapables de vivre dans le présent .....>>. Chuang TZU
Je connais personellement dans une petite population quatre femmes européennes mariées à des Thailandais. Mais jamais l'idée ne m'est venue de leur demander pourquoi... Parce que j'aurais moi même été incapable de répondre à la question, et tant mieux... "Parce que c'êtait elle, parce que c'était lui..."
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
tu as raison nos femmes corses sont aussi dépaysantes que les asiatiques !"
Recherche metis corso-thai !!!😏
Recherche metis corso-thai !!!😏
Roger
Recherche metis corso-thai !!!😏
😏😏😏😏😏
😏😏😏😏😏
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Celui qui pose une question risque cinq minutes d'avoir l'air bête. Celui qui ne pose pas de question restera bête toute sa vie.
Paix et tranquillité, voilà le bonheur.
Celui qui pose une question risque cinq minutes d'avoir l'air bête. Celui qui ne pose pas de question restera bête toute sa vie.
Paix et tranquillité, voilà le bonheur.
Moi, je suis belge et j'ai épousé un Thailandais, cela va faire 15 ans que l'on est marié et tout va très bien. Je l'ai rencontré en Belgique et ce fut le coup de foudre, je ne connaissais pas l'Asie avant de le rencontrer mais je trouve leur façon de vivre et le respect pour la famille bien meilleurs que celles des occidentaux.
On ne choisit pas l'amour il aurait pu être d'une autre nationalité, je n'ai pas de préjugés sur les gens.
cynthia
petite réponse collective !
je trouve que les réponses ont été assez franches dans l'ensemble, mais pour vraiment savoir le pourquoi des choses, il faut une certaine instrospection, que l'on a du mal a réaliser soi même, ou que l'on évite de faire.
qaund a migrador, je suis d'accord avec toi a 120 % pour les formes qui m'attirent, je ne suis pas méditéranéen pour rien😉😉
Roger, il existe un paquet de femme corso-asiates, car beaucoup de corses, avant guerre ont vécu au vietnam et au cambodge, se mariant, fondant des familles, et tu as raison le mélange est superbe 😉😉😉
2 au jus
je trouve que les réponses ont été assez franches dans l'ensemble, mais pour vraiment savoir le pourquoi des choses, il faut une certaine instrospection, que l'on a du mal a réaliser soi même, ou que l'on évite de faire.
qaund a migrador, je suis d'accord avec toi a 120 % pour les formes qui m'attirent, je ne suis pas méditéranéen pour rien😉😉
Roger, il existe un paquet de femme corso-asiates, car beaucoup de corses, avant guerre ont vécu au vietnam et au cambodge, se mariant, fondant des familles, et tu as raison le mélange est superbe 😉😉😉
2 au jus
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Ouais, mais la famille corse et l'autre famille Thai.....
Accrochez vous.........😉😛
La ou le vent nous emporteras
Tu l'as rencontré en Belgique, donc ce n'est plus la même chose...
Je voudrais avoir l'avis de femmes qui sont allées en Thaïlande, qui ont rencontré un thaï là-bas et qui se sont mariées avec lui. Pour le moment, zéro réponse ici...
Pour le moment, on a juste quelqu'un qui connait une petite population de 4 femmes...
Pour toi et Henridusud, je n'ai jamais demandé pourquoi les femmes tombaient amoureuses... chacun a ses raisons édivemment. Je m'interroge simplement sur l'abîme de différence du nombre d'hommes d'ici qui vont là-bas et qui trouvent femme, alors que l'inverse est d'une extrême râreté... Et quelles en sont les raisons (de cette énorme différence).
Je voudrais avoir l'avis de femmes qui sont allées en Thaïlande, qui ont rencontré un thaï là-bas et qui se sont mariées avec lui. Pour le moment, zéro réponse ici...
Pour le moment, on a juste quelqu'un qui connait une petite population de 4 femmes...
Pour toi et Henridusud, je n'ai jamais demandé pourquoi les femmes tombaient amoureuses... chacun a ses raisons édivemment. Je m'interroge simplement sur l'abîme de différence du nombre d'hommes d'ici qui vont là-bas et qui trouvent femme, alors que l'inverse est d'une extrême râreté... Et quelles en sont les raisons (de cette énorme différence).
et tu as raison le mélange est superbe 😉😉😉
N'en déplaise à certains "puristes" de la "race" (je ne citerai pas de noms, tous ceux qui ont appris l'Histoire en trouveront plusieurs, le mélange est toujours très beau.
N'en déplaise à certains "puristes" de la "race" (je ne citerai pas de noms, tous ceux qui ont appris l'Histoire en trouveront plusieurs, le mélange est toujours très beau.
Ouais, mais la famille corse et l'autre famille Thai.....
Accrochez vous.........😉😛
il n'y a + qu'a mélanger
😇😛
il n'y a + qu'a mélanger
😇😛
Je m'interroge simplement sur l'abîme de différence du nombre d'hommes d'ici qui vont là-bas et qui trouvent femme, alors que l'inverse est d'une extrême râreté... Et quelles en sont les raisons (de cette énorme différence).
Une petite contribution féminine : peu de femmes occidentales voyagent seules et loin (j'ai encore remarqué cela en entendant mes amies, collègues, etc me dire "comment oses-tu aller si loin toute seule, moi j'aurais peur..."); nombre de femmes qui voyagent seules ne cherchent pas l'âme soeur dans leur voyage, mais plutôt les rencontres culturelles, amicales et cela peut se faire autant avec des femmes qu'avec des hommes; pour ce qui est de mon expérience personnelle, on se sent très bien "entre femmes européennes/thaies" et on passe beaucoup de temps à bavarder ensemble, ce qui limite les autres rencontres; beaucoup de femmes d'un certain âge qui voyagent seules ont un bagage marital qui les rend "prudentes"; souvent, les femmes dites "indépendantes" le sont et ne cherchent pas ou plus quelqu'un pour leur tenir la main; d'après ce que j'ai pu constater en Thailande, les hommes ne sollicitent pas les européennes à tout bout de champ (sauf les vendeurs, mais là c'est une autre histoire... 😉) et donc, nous ne sommes pas "soumises à la tentation"; la seule fois où je me suis fait "draguer", c'était par un thai de 25 ans (j'en ai 47) et comme beaucoup de mes consoeurs, je me vois mal faire ma vie avec un homme qui pourraît être mon fils, ce qui, à l'inverse se fait régulièrement, j'ai donc abrégé poliment et avec humour; je suis sortie avec deux hommes asiatiques (Vietnamiens) quand j'étais jeune et ils ne m'ont pas laissé un souvenir impérissable 😉😊
Voilà donc, peut-être, quelques raisons à cette interrogation, j'attends confirmation ou infirmation de la part de mes consoeurs de VF.
Une petite contribution féminine : peu de femmes occidentales voyagent seules et loin (j'ai encore remarqué cela en entendant mes amies, collègues, etc me dire "comment oses-tu aller si loin toute seule, moi j'aurais peur..."); nombre de femmes qui voyagent seules ne cherchent pas l'âme soeur dans leur voyage, mais plutôt les rencontres culturelles, amicales et cela peut se faire autant avec des femmes qu'avec des hommes; pour ce qui est de mon expérience personnelle, on se sent très bien "entre femmes européennes/thaies" et on passe beaucoup de temps à bavarder ensemble, ce qui limite les autres rencontres; beaucoup de femmes d'un certain âge qui voyagent seules ont un bagage marital qui les rend "prudentes"; souvent, les femmes dites "indépendantes" le sont et ne cherchent pas ou plus quelqu'un pour leur tenir la main; d'après ce que j'ai pu constater en Thailande, les hommes ne sollicitent pas les européennes à tout bout de champ (sauf les vendeurs, mais là c'est une autre histoire... 😉) et donc, nous ne sommes pas "soumises à la tentation"; la seule fois où je me suis fait "draguer", c'était par un thai de 25 ans (j'en ai 47) et comme beaucoup de mes consoeurs, je me vois mal faire ma vie avec un homme qui pourraît être mon fils, ce qui, à l'inverse se fait régulièrement, j'ai donc abrégé poliment et avec humour; je suis sortie avec deux hommes asiatiques (Vietnamiens) quand j'étais jeune et ils ne m'ont pas laissé un souvenir impérissable 😉😊
Voilà donc, peut-être, quelques raisons à cette interrogation, j'attends confirmation ou infirmation de la part de mes consoeurs de VF.
Sans avoir passé des heures à y réfléchir et en dehors des raisons évidentes sur les possibilités pratiques de rencontres entre touristes hommes et femmes thaies, je pense qu'il y a aussi une question sociale. Dans la trés grande majorité des cas, la moitié européenne du couple posséde des revenus beaucoup plus importants que la moitié thailandaise. Ce déséquilibre est plus facilement accepté par la société lorsque c'est l'homme qui assure la subsistance du couple, notamment dans le cas d'une installation en Europe. Les cas sont relativement rares d'ailleurs de cuples européens où l'épouse gagne cinq à dix fois plus que son mari. Je ne m'en réjouis pas, je constate...
Dans tous les cas de mariages mixtes européennes - hommes thai, à une exception près les couples vivent en Thailande. Il semble qu'il est encore plus difficile pour un Thailandais de vivre avec une européenne dans le pays de celle ci (relation au travail, possibilité de travailler, ) etc que dans la situation inverse, qui n'est déja pas facile... Juste quelques idées qui ne constituent pas une théorie.
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
message 80 (déjà ! )
cousin tu fait un tabac, va falloir te surpasser au retour,
analyse trés pertinente,
j'ai eu en France des voisins, 2 fréres Viets mariés avec des Francaises, dur dur ! ( pour elles )
quand aux réactions des Thais face aux européenes, je peux te dire qu'ils ne sont pas insensible,
j'en ai eu la preuve a plusieurs reprises aux differentes visites de ma fille,
gentilesse, le sourire et la douceur en font craquer plus d'un....
Et puis, c'est tellement different et la difference attire.....
Tout a fait ca: gentillesse, sourire (et quel sourire!) et douceur..... cela fait une difference enorme (mon experience personnelle).
Quelque chose coincerait peut-etre avec les occidentales (pas seulement les europeennes)? J' ai ete longtemps marie a une iranienne, et quelles bonnes manieres/courtoisie comparees aux occidentaux/occidentales! Cela meme sans tomber dans un schema machiste du genre c' est elle qui fait tout a la maison et le mec peut se croiser les doigts de pied en eventail.
Donc (1), il ne s' agit pas que des femmes thai, et (2) bonnes manieres n' impliquent pas necessairement femme soumise (oh! que non!!!!).
Tout a fait ca: gentillesse, sourire (et quel sourire!) et douceur..... cela fait une difference enorme (mon experience personnelle).
Quelque chose coincerait peut-etre avec les occidentales (pas seulement les europeennes)? J' ai ete longtemps marie a une iranienne, et quelles bonnes manieres/courtoisie comparees aux occidentaux/occidentales! Cela meme sans tomber dans un schema machiste du genre c' est elle qui fait tout a la maison et le mec peut se croiser les doigts de pied en eventail.
Donc (1), il ne s' agit pas que des femmes thai, et (2) bonnes manieres n' impliquent pas necessairement femme soumise (oh! que non!!!!).
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cousin tu fait un tabac, va falloir te surpasser au retour
cousin je pense que pour une fois, le post évitait tout les clichés négatifs sur les femmes, car les prédateurs, n'ont pas osés dire du mal des compagnes des membres et c'est un plus !!
le post de notre amie belge ott.... a attiré toute mon attention, car analyse juste de la situation des femmes en voyage!!
cousin je pense que pour une fois, le post évitait tout les clichés négatifs sur les femmes, car les prédateurs, n'ont pas osés dire du mal des compagnes des membres et c'est un plus !!
le post de notre amie belge ott.... a attiré toute mon attention, car analyse juste de la situation des femmes en voyage!!
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Merci pour ta GRANDE contribution!
Elle explique plusieurs choses sur les femmes qui voyagent seules. En fait je pense que je voyage comme une femme seule😉 c'est pour ça que je n'ai jamais compris toute cette frénésie masculine autour du mot "Thaïlande".
Je vais même aller plus loin, avant d'aller travailler à plusieurs reprises en Asie et en Asie du Sud Est, j'ai voyagé pendant un peu plus de 3 mois dans ces pays dont 2 en Thaïlande. Sur les 2 mois en Thaïlande, je n'ai été "sollicité" qu'une seule fois à Chang Maï et ce parce que ma guest house était proche de 2 bars à prostituées. J'ai copiné avec plusieurs filles thaïs pendant ces deux mois et jamais il n'a été question d'aller plus loin que le copinage, d'abord parce que je n'y pensais pas (je préfère les touristes😛) et ensuite parce qu'il n'en a simplement pas été question.
J'attends toujours un témoignage d'une femme (occidentale) ayant épousé un thaï...
Si c'est pas indiscret, pourquoi les 2 vietnamiens ne t'ont pas laissé un souvenir impérissable?
Elle explique plusieurs choses sur les femmes qui voyagent seules. En fait je pense que je voyage comme une femme seule😉 c'est pour ça que je n'ai jamais compris toute cette frénésie masculine autour du mot "Thaïlande".
Je vais même aller plus loin, avant d'aller travailler à plusieurs reprises en Asie et en Asie du Sud Est, j'ai voyagé pendant un peu plus de 3 mois dans ces pays dont 2 en Thaïlande. Sur les 2 mois en Thaïlande, je n'ai été "sollicité" qu'une seule fois à Chang Maï et ce parce que ma guest house était proche de 2 bars à prostituées. J'ai copiné avec plusieurs filles thaïs pendant ces deux mois et jamais il n'a été question d'aller plus loin que le copinage, d'abord parce que je n'y pensais pas (je préfère les touristes😛) et ensuite parce qu'il n'en a simplement pas été question.
J'attends toujours un témoignage d'une femme (occidentale) ayant épousé un thaï...
Si c'est pas indiscret, pourquoi les 2 vietnamiens ne t'ont pas laissé un souvenir impérissable?
Si c'est pas indiscret, pourquoi les 2 vietnamiens ne t'ont pas laissé un souvenir impérissable?
Joker !!!😉😉😉
Joker !!!😉😉😉
Je suis indépendante et j'ai une de mes clientes qui est allée en vacances à Koh Samui une année et qui a rencontré son mari là bas, un thai un vrai de vrai, cela fait quelques années qu'ils sont mariés et ils ont une adorable petite fille. J'ai en effet rencontré mon mari en Belgique mais il venait de revenir de Thailande et n'était pas sur de rester en Belgique. De toute façon l'éducation des thais n'est pas la même que chez nous, les filles doivent rencontrer un bon parti pour pouvoir se marier, la cousine de mon mari a rencontré son futur mari et est tombée amoureuse de lui, mais son père ne lui a permis de se marier avec que si ce garçon prouvait son amour en achetant une maison et avait un travail fiable, ...
Les mentalités sont différentes, les filles thai épousent des européens, car pour elles l'Europe, c'est la richesse, mais ce n'est pas nécessairement le bonheur!!!
cynthia
et qui a rencontré son mari là bas, un thai un vrai de vrai
Je ne savais pas qu'il y avait des faux thaïs, c'est bon à savoir .😏
Je ne savais pas qu'il y avait des faux thaïs, c'est bon à savoir .😏
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Je ne savais pas qu'il y avait des faux thaïs, c'est bon à savoir
étant les rois de la contre façons, il ets normal qu'il y en ait des faux 😉😉
Oui tu as raison, vérifie quand même si ton billet d'avion n'est pas faux pour demain .😏😏😏
étant les rois de la contre façons, il ets normal qu'il y en ait des faux 😉😉
Oui tu as raison, vérifie quand même si ton billet d'avion n'est pas faux pour demain .😏😏😏
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
les filles thai épousent des européens, car pour elles l'Europe, c'est la richesse, mais ce n'est pas nécessairement le bonheur!!!
Là c'est un mariage d'intérêt, d'opportunime ... et cela ne donne effectivement pas le bonheur. C'est aussi, hélàs, la très grande majorité des cas des couples mixtes. Ce sont ces mêmes cas qui quelques années plus tard se terminent généralement par un divorce. L'argent - ou l'argent supposé - ne fait pas le bonheur. C'est bien connu. De même l'Europe, ou autre région Occidentale, n'est pas synonyme de bonheur non plus
Heureusement qu'il y a les autres cas qui généralement sont des réels mariages d'amour.
Là c'est un mariage d'intérêt, d'opportunime ... et cela ne donne effectivement pas le bonheur. C'est aussi, hélàs, la très grande majorité des cas des couples mixtes. Ce sont ces mêmes cas qui quelques années plus tard se terminent généralement par un divorce. L'argent - ou l'argent supposé - ne fait pas le bonheur. C'est bien connu. De même l'Europe, ou autre région Occidentale, n'est pas synonyme de bonheur non plus
Heureusement qu'il y a les autres cas qui généralement sont des réels mariages d'amour.
Les mariages pour raisons d'intérêt économique étaient encore trés fréquents en Europe il y a une cinquantaine d'années. les mariages "arrangés" sont encore en usage ans de vastes parties du monde. Et la notion de mariage d'amour me semble surtout une notion "européenne." Vu le nombre de divorces dans les pays occidentaux, il n'est pas certain que cela soit la panacée...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
m'étant marié a 47 ans, il est sur qu'il y avait du sentiment, mais la raison était quand même présente dans notre union; et j'avoue que c'est parfait !!!!!!!!!!!
le ciment du couple qu'est notre fille, n'est pas du au hasard !
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Et la notion de mariage d'amour me semble surtout une notion "européenne." Vu le nombre de divorces dans les pays occidentaux, il n'est pas certain que cela soit la panacée...
Je vais encore relancer une polémique, mais je pense que l'on a trop vite fait de mettre l'étiquette "amour" sur ce qui n'est souvent qu' "attirance". Trop de jeunes se marient après quelques mois, souvent par envie de liberté et de "faire comme les copains"; rien à voir avec l'amour, malheureusement.
Je vais encore relancer une polémique, mais je pense que l'on a trop vite fait de mettre l'étiquette "amour" sur ce qui n'est souvent qu' "attirance". Trop de jeunes se marient après quelques mois, souvent par envie de liberté et de "faire comme les copains"; rien à voir avec l'amour, malheureusement.
Aucun risque que cela relance une polémique. C'est un constat. on peut le regretter, mais l'amour au sens passion chimique ne dure apparemment pas plus de trois ans au mieux. Ensuite, c'est autre chose et ce n'est pas forcément plus mal. Des projets communs, de la tendresse, etc etc
D'autre part, si les mariages etrangers-thai
se terminent parfois en divorce, que dire des mariages thai - thai ? le nombre de filles qui sont mères célibataires ou isolées en Thailande est proprement hallucinant....
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
se terminent parfois en divorce, que dire des mariages thai - thai ? le nombre de filles qui sont mères célibataires ou isolées en Thailande est proprement hallucinant....
mais est ce que cela a toujours été ainsi, ou font ils partie eux aussi de cette nouvelle société "kleenex" de consommation!!
car la facilité du divorce actuellement ( en france) donne toute latitude aux gens de se marrier et de divorcer aussi facilement ( je ne parles pas des pbs engendrés par les enfants)
il faut savoir qu'à l'époque en france ( et c'est toujours valable dans l'église catholique ), un divorcé ne pouvait plus communier à la messe car en état de pêché permanent, mais comme la fréquenetation des églises n'ets plus ce qu'elle était, cet argument n'est plus un frein !!!
mais est ce que cela a toujours été ainsi, ou font ils partie eux aussi de cette nouvelle société "kleenex" de consommation!!
car la facilité du divorce actuellement ( en france) donne toute latitude aux gens de se marrier et de divorcer aussi facilement ( je ne parles pas des pbs engendrés par les enfants)
il faut savoir qu'à l'époque en france ( et c'est toujours valable dans l'église catholique ), un divorcé ne pouvait plus communier à la messe car en état de pêché permanent, mais comme la fréquenetation des églises n'ets plus ce qu'elle était, cet argument n'est plus un frein !!!
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La plupart du temps en Thailande, les couples ne se marient pas au sens papiers etc..; un tour par le temple ou la mosquée et l'affaire est faite. Je pense aussi que les garçons thai lorsqu'ils sont jeunes sont encore plus inconséquents que les européens et n'assument que trés peu souvent les conséquences de leurs actes...Sans compter que le fait d'avoir plusieurs "épouses", mia luang et mia noi est une pratique trés répandue dés lors que l'on a les moyens financiers...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
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Hi there,
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After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
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After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
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After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
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After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
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That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
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We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
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Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.






