Flippant ces statistique sur le bus de nuit. Difficile de vraiment savoir quel est le meilleur choix, si ce n'est dépenser un peu plus et prendre un vol en avion !
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Difficile de vraiment savoir quel est le meilleur choix, si ce n'est dépenser un peu plus et prendre un vol en avion !
C'est effectivement le meilleur choix.
Aujourd'hui encore:
Phuket bus se renverse à Surat Thani - un mort, 29 blessés
ICI
"Quand l'injustice devient loi, la rébellion devient devoir. " Thomas Jefferson
« Le doute est l’apanage des gens intelligents, les cons n’ont que des certitudes »
(Alain Leblay)
Flippant ces statistique sur le bus de nuit. Difficile de vraiment savoir quel est le meilleur choix, si ce n'est dépenser un peu plus et prendre un vol en avion !
Sawadee kap
Ça peut faire
Sachant que de l’aéroport à l’hôtel il faudra prendre un taxi ou, un transport collectif, tout peut encore arriver
(Si en + tu as contrarié les esprits.... !)
😉
je remonte ce poste : quelqu'un a des nouvelles fraîches?
un15ème déraillement ? les travaux sont-ils finis et efficaces ? 😄
Salut ,
Dernièrement le 12 novembre encore un déraillement hélas à Udonthani qui se diriger vers Nong Kaï , pas mal de blessés mais pas de morts , là on arrive au 16 ou 17 èmes déraillements depuis le début de l'année un record ( Amazing Thaïlande 😉 ) , pour les travaux ? pas de nouvelles à suivre .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
je remonte ce poste : quelqu'un a des nouvelles fraîches?
un15ème déraillement ? les travaux sont-ils finis et efficaces ? 😄
Pas de deraillement puisqu'a ce jour (je suis à Chiang Mai et serais obligé de me rendre à Lampang en bus) la ligne est toujours en "rénovation" : comptez 2 mois supplémentaires 😛
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
trêve de plaisanterie, c'est quand même très inquiétant en pensant à tous ces déraillements, cela ne pousse pas à l'optimisme.
J'espère que les Thaïs feront un GROS effort sur la maintenance et que je n'ai jamais à voir des titres genre: "morts à grande vitesse"/Cercueils pour le Paradis etc....." lorsqu'ils feront le TGV ici en Thaïlande.
la ligne est effectivement rétablie mais la ligne vient de connaître un énième déraillement pas plus tard que le 01 décembre (voir le sujet ci dessous)
"Quand l'injustice devient loi, la rébellion devient devoir. " Thomas Jefferson
« Le doute est l’apanage des gens intelligents, les cons n’ont que des certitudes »
(Alain Leblay)
Le 12 novembre encore un déraillement hélas à Udonthani qui se diriger vers Nong Kaï , pas mal de blessés
Sawadee krap Marc
Que des blessés légers
Et il valait mieux savoir nager
Le reportage
😏
C'est la mode de "remonter" les post... alors allons-y ! 😉
Novembre 2013 - Septembre 2014.... 10 mois d'écoulés , où en est-on de travaux de réfection sur les lignes de chemin de fer thailandaises ?
Plus de déraillements ?
Cela rassurerait un peu ceux qui préparent leur prochain voyage ? 🙂
Merci par avance
Il y a une chose qu'il faut savoir concernant les trains Thais : ça ne roule pas à la même vitesse qu'en Europe. C'est beaucoup plus lent. Ceci pourrait expliquer que la malgré le nombre élevé de déraillement, il y a peu de blessé ou de mort.
J'ai pris le train de jour de BKK à Chiang Mai, vitesse moyenne, dans les 50 km/h...
Conseil d'ami : Prenez le train de nuit !
Et voici pourquoi : Parti à 8h15 de BKK arrivée à 00h00 à Chiang Mai. Même si on aime le train, ça fini par être long, mais long...l'air de rien, ça fait quand même16h00 de train et dans des paysages pas toujours folichons.
Alors qu'avec le train de nuit, on dort, ça passe nettement plus vite....(Pris entre Surat Thani et BKK)
Les compartiments 1ère classe ne sont pas si cher que ça si l'on compare à une nuit d'hôtel.
Bon voyage !
L'éternité c'est très long....surtout vers la fin (Woody Allen)
Merci c'est ce qu'on compte faire ... un BKK/Chiang Mai partant vers les 18h. Je pense que pour le confort ils sont pas mal même en 2° classe et puis quand on a fait , entre autres , le train Mytkina/Mandalay en Birmanie , 14h d'essoreuse à salade, on est vacciné ! Ce qui m'inquiète le plus c'est (ou c'était ) le nb relativement important de déraillements .
Bonne journée 😉
Ce qui m'inquiète le plus c'est (ou c'était ) le nb relativement important de déraillements .
Bonjour ,
Justement le plus c'est sur la ligne de Bangkok >> Chiang Maï et vers NongKaï mais bon rien de méchant il y a eu une loi de série et surtout pas beaucoup de victimes étant donner la lenteur de ces trains pas bien méchant , mais d'ici quelques années ils veulent le TGV là va falloir mettre tout les lignes de rails en bonne et dù forme et surtout former les futurs conducteurs de ces TGV thaïs , pas évident à suivre .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Ca risque pas d'arriver a Chiang Rai vu que la ligne s'arrete a... Chiang Mai !!! Mdr 😏😏
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
La personne Barbot l'avait écrit c'est pour cela même que je l'avais repris en gras
Entre temps la personne Barbot l'a corrigé
Moi aussi j'ai bien ri 😏
La personne Barbot l'avait écrit c'est pour cela même que je l'avais repris en gras
Entre temps la personne Barbot l'a corrigé
Moi aussi j'ai bien ri 😏
Salut Rene ,
Exact tu as raison j'ai corrigé et effacé Chiang Raï , erreur de ma part autant pour moi , désolé .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Maintenant si l'on considère le nombre de déraillement et que tu es un certain doute, voir un doute certain, disons que dans une certaine mesure, il est justifié.
Ce qu'il faut savoir : C'est qu'ils ont fait (ou plutôt refait), une partie de la ligne qui posait problème.
Certes, ce n'est une garantie totale, mais c'est toujours mieux que rien.
Après ça, il te reste peu d'option....le car ? ou bus ? Dans le deuxième pays le plus accidentogène au niveau mondial après l'Iran...mouai, autant prendre le train.
L'avion ? Pourquoi pas, cela dit, ça n'offre pas plus de garantie que le train.
Il y a un proverbe Thai que tu devrais peut-être considérer : Mai Pai Lé ou quelque chose du genre....
Cela veut dire, plus ou moins, : Ce n'est pas grave, pas important (traduit au pied de la lettre)
Par contre, il faut essayer de le prendre au sens large, à savoir : Ce qui doit arriver, arrivera....Mai Pai lé !
C'est une philosophie de vie que beaucoup de Thaïlandais adopte...
Pour ce qui est du confort des 2èmes classe, pas testé, mais pas mal de bons échos.
Fais gaffe, les couchettes du haut et du bas ne sont pas similaires. A toi de choisir celle qui te convient le mieux.
Et surtout, ne perd pas ton sourire et bon voyage
L'éternité c'est très long....surtout vers la fin (Woody Allen)
mais d'ici quelques années ils veulent le TGV là va falloir mettre tout les lignes de rails en bonne et dù forme et surtout former les futurs conducteurs de ces TGV thaïs , pas évident à suivre .
Nous partons en Thailande en février 2026 et nous souhaitons prendre le train de nuit de bangkok à Chiang Mai. Peut-on réserver 2 billets en 1ère classe? je ne…
Je voulais réserver une couchette pour aller de Bangkok à Chiang Mai le 1er ou 2 novembre et tous les trains sont déjà complets!! Savez vous pour quelle raison?
À nouveau, je viens solliciter votre aide pour quelques renseignements logistiques. Voici les 4 villes autour desquelles nous aimerions articuler notre séjour…
I’m planning a trip around Italy using only trains or public transport in October (hoping the weather stays nice!).
I’d obviously like to see some tourist destinations, but I also want to get off the beaten path a bit, and I’m hoping to find some help here? I don’t plan to linger too long in the cities.
Starting in the north, I’d like to visit Lake Como or Lake Orta, pass through the Cinque Terre for some hiking, spend a few days in Naples and Rome, then head down to Sicily.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
As part of my professional thesis, I’m conducting a study on the evolution of long-distance rail transport in France, particularly since it opened up to competition.
I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
- A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan
- A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
I'm heading to MEXICO IN NOVEMBER 2025. Since private guides and drivers are really expensive—over 300 € per day—I'm thinking of exploring the Yucatán by train. CAN YOU SHARE ANY INFO ON THIS? Thanks
Hi there!
We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
I wanted to know if it’s possible to go from Tashkent to Almaty by train without passing through Kyrgyzstan. I’ve heard the border is often closed 😕 between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
Thanks in advance!
Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
Which train should I take, where to get off, what to see once I arrive, etc.
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used?
Thanks in advance!
Charlie
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us.
I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com.
Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend?
Are the tickets changeable?
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas).
This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima.
I’m looking for suggestions and advice:
Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips...
Do you think it’s possible to do something like this:
5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku)
3 nights in Kyoto
2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo?
2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy...
Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question:
Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.