Cycling trips—how old is too old?
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LE Lethieu Globetrotter ·
To answer the question: I’ll let you know when I stop! For now—turning 72 in two days—I’ve got a "Portugal tour" planned for spring... and a "Crete tour" as a backup plan... http://www.lethieu39.fr/dans-les-cartons-les-projets/ In the meantime, happy New Year and safe travels to all...
michel mathieu www.lethieu39.fr
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
Hi Françoise, I browsed this forum some time ago, looking to buy a "nice" touring bike. I was in great shape back then (well, for my 66 years, at least)... Three weeks ago, though I never thought I was at risk (healthy lifestyle and all), I had a sudden heart attack after cycling 4 km in the cold... I’ve since learned that cold is a major risk factor, just like stress, smoking, or being overweight. After a bit of a "slump"—since I really need physical activity (this year, I was planning to hike around Mont Blanc and cycle down the Loire)—reading about your health issues actually cheered me up! Thanks again, safe travels, and watch out for the cold! Christian PS: I couldn’t get your website to open.
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
Before I posted my last message, I hadn’t read yours about your vertebra fracture! I hope you’ve been recovering well since November. Hang in there! Christian
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
17 178jules Veteran ·
It's true that "at our age," something can happen to us in no time, and a heart attack—just the word is scary! But it's not the end of sports in many cases. I have a brother who's 3 years younger than me. He overdid it with marathons and more, had a heart attack, and the doctor prescribed him 1 to 2 hours of cycling a day. I had to fight with him to get him to buy a heart rate monitor... I'm not even sure he did it!

not being a high-risk person (healthy lifestyle)

Healthy lifestyle—what *is* a healthy lifestyle? If I believe some sources, we're far from the truth, and even our various specialists, with help from pharmaceutical labs, might be leading us to the slaughterhouse—look into the statin scandal, by the way, that might interest you. Check out "Michel de Lorgeril" online.
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
"Good lifestyle habits" for me mean: - daily physical activity: walking or cycling (that’s my "vehicle" for getting around town every day, not to mention outings when the weather’s nice) + 1 hour of gym per week - balanced diet (plenty of fruit and veg, very little cold cuts, eggs, cooking with olive oil…) - no tobacco - little alcohol: at parties with friends, a bottle of wine now and then… apparently, I don’t drink enough: 1 to 2 glasses of red wine recommended per day! 😉

I only found out what statins are after my health scare… they’re one of the meds I was given because my bad cholesterol is slightly above the norm… the pharma lobby really got me, I’ll bring it up with my cardiologist at my next visit.

My "personal pipes" were probably in bad shape, but it was clearly the physical effort—limited, but without warming up—that triggered it. Christian
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
CL Claisse Veteran ·
Hey MICHEL

Saw your blog with your two projects—nice one! You’re heading to Portugal—are you flying or sorting it out by train?

Any worries about your gear if you’re thinking of taking a flight??

That’s what kinda scares me and keeps me in FRANCE.

GOOD PREP
BERNARD "Aucun conseil n'est plus loyal que celui qui se donne sur le navire en péril. Voiture : Invention ingénieuse, permettant de contenir 110 chevaux dans le moteur et un âne au volant.
LE Lethieu Globetrotter ·
You're doing Portugal—are you flying or organizing train travel? Do you have any concerns about your gear when you consider flying? That’s what scares me a bit and keeps me limited to FRANCE.

Thanks... I’m planning to fly into Porto and back from Lisbon (EasyJet). So far, I’ve been lucky—just one or two minor "fixes" despite only using "low-cost" airlines. But I’ve always flown from Lyon or Geneva to or from "regional" airports. Is that related to my crazy luck??? All I know is that things go smoothly if airport managers, handlers, and subcontractors are decent and people aren’t too "under pressure." And it’s certain that at some airports (Paris??), it’s really sketchy...

One year, I tried an "all-ferry" solution: left the bus in a Venice parking lot and took a ferry for a "Greek island tour." It could’ve worked for a Greece, Crete, Italy, or even Sardinia and Corsica trip—from one port, you can easily expand your horizons—but boats are *so* slow!!! Happy trails...
michel mathieu www.lethieu39.fr
FR Frannycyclo Regular ·
But as I feared, there aren’t many seventy-somethings cycling on the forum. Counting me, we’re only 3 in total.

Patience—if I don’t kick the bucket first, in two years and five months we’ll be four, though gender parity still won’t be respected! Happy cycling, Françoise
Françoise www.frannycyclo.com
BE Bern95 Regular ·
Hello everyone, And in two years and seven months there will be five of us.......
RI Rigoll Regular ·
Hey Lethieu! Oh, you beat me by a few days—I turned 72 on 11/2! Yeah, stress plays nasty tricks. I try to avoid it. No extra weight for me (1.71m, 69kg). Diet: Born in Dijon, I’m a bon vivant—I don’t deprive myself of anything, and I’ve been smoke-free since 1984! I don’t cycle in winter but walk instead (10km/day). I get back on the bike in March, doing 50km/day. This year, I plan to start from Givet to the Baltic, then follow the old Iron Curtain down to the Adriatic, then northern Italy, cross the Alps, traverse France, visit one of my daughters in the Landes, and head back to Givet. There you go—departure around May 25, return end of August. I live in campgrounds and under the tent, like a wild man, and I love it! To everyone: drink cool and French!!!!! Rigoll
JM
LE Lethieu Globetrotter ·
Before my possible (probable) tour of Portugal in a few days, I’m doing a 3-day loop in the Camargue, around the lagoons... and, as tradition dictates, heading to the Vélocio Easter gathering in Provence (usually from Rive de Gier to Gigondas). Happy planning and have a great season to all seven of you...
michel mathieu www.lethieu39.fr
CY Cyclo78 Regular ·
I haven’t been online for two years, but you can add one more septuagenarian—I just turned 74 and I’m really not in great shape anymore. Cyclo 78 (Alain) 😉
Le vélo et la marche sans faire de compétition, ça maintien la forme
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi everyone,

Like I did in 2016, I’m sharing a 3-month bike-trip project here for early 2017. This year it’ll be in Southeast Asia (Thailand – Cambodia – Laos) by mountain bike from January 4 to April 3, 2017.

The planned route map is here. There are a few variations, and the route isn’t set in stone. Whenever possible, we’ll take unpaved trails or dirt roads.

Right now, there are three of us—all men between 65 and 66 years old. The group can grow, and anyone interested can contact me through this forum or via private message. We already have our flight tickets for Lyon–Bangkok round trip.

The site where you can follow the trip is here.

The site for the 2016 trip to Mexico by recumbent trike is here.

The site for the 2014 and 2015 trips in Southeast Asia by recumbent trike is here.

The site for the 2011 classic bike trip and the 2013 recumbent trike trip is here.

Jean Marie
CY Cyclo78 Regular ·
Hi there,

As I mentioned in my post last April, I had just turned 74. This year I managed to continue the EV6 from Basel to Radolfzell, then did a loop around Lake Constance. Back in Basel, I took the EV15 to Neuf-Brisach, then a little detour to Freiburg before returning to Guebwiller. Okay, I went a bit slower and was more tired in the evenings, but I was really happy with myself. Next year will be... another year ;) maybe sticking around the Yvelines. Alain
Le vélo et la marche sans faire de compétition, ça maintien la forme
17 178jules Veteran ·
Good evening, Still going strong, but a year without cycling. Walking and biking became too painful, so I decided to have hip surgery. Hip replacement in August after having some teeth pulled in July. Feeling good now—finally making a gradual comeback—and a trip in 2017 is "in the works." Jules
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
SI Sitik Veteran ·
Bikes—how old is too old? Everyone’s got their own answer, or almost. Last year we hiked western Sichuan on foot; I’d just had wrist surgery and one-handed cycling isn’t easy. This year it was my husband’s turn to smash his shoulder and get a prosthesis. So we just bought e-bikes. They let us get back on two wheels without putting too much strain on our shoulders. We just rode the Verdon Gorge—gorgeous training ground. Two more seventy-somethings still pedaling.
JM Jmcombret Regular ·
Good question. I'm 68, and since retiring I've done a round-the-world trip and several 3- to 5-month journeys. I try not to dwell on it too much, even though it's always in the back of my mind. My answer: enjoy the present and dream about the future.
Un brin de folie est comme l'argent: ça ne fait pas le bonheur, mais ça aide!
NA Navigaterre Regular ·
See post No. 7, which is still relevant.
je fus navigateur navigaterre , je reste navigaterre. Qu'importe d'où nous venons, car nous pouvons aller beaucoup plus loin que ce dont nous avions révé .
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
Hi there... Wow, just looking at this site and especially this forum really lifts my spirits! Thailand, Cambodia, Laos... I’m full of admiration and envy!

Envious because if I hadn’t had a health issue in January, I would’ve done a bike trip in France in 2016 (either following the Loire or the Vélodyssée from Roscoff to Hendaye), and I would’ve loved to join you. Especially since I’m planning to visit that region soon.

Admiring because your trip planning seems really well thought out. I took a (too quick) look at your blogs and discovered your cyclist “gear” with interest, plus the "bikemap" site, which looks super useful.

Wishing you tailwinds for your trip! Christian
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
17 178jules Veteran ·
Hi Navigaterre, Your first post caught my eye, then I forgot about it. When I saw the second one, I thought, "Why not start a club, or just a group, or even a gathering blog?" How do you see it—what format, minimum age, purpose, etc.? Feel free to email me directly at 178jules at gmail.com to chat a bit more. Other "senior" travelers on VoyageForum can share their thoughts or offer to join in. 178Jules, Daniel in real life Happy Sunday
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
Why not start a Facebook group? It works really well.
Je ne vais pas vite ...mais j'y vais !!! https://facebook.com/claude.lagriffoul
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Christian,

Thanks for your reply—it’s really flattering!

Yes, the route planning is pretty detailed, with one or more possible itineraries prepared. That doesn’t mean we always stick to the plan, but the prep already gets us in the mood and lets us start traveling before the actual trip.

I’ve added a few more details on my site about route planners because I realized I hadn’t mentioned them, even though I use them a lot. My explanations are pretty brief—you really need to try the tools to get the hang of them. I use Bikemap and Openrunner, but there are plenty of others I haven’t tested. For route planners, gear, and GPS apps, check it out here.

It’s too bad that health issue is keeping you from joining us. We would’ve loved to have our group grow. I looked at your previous contributions—I also live pretty healthily, no tobacco or alcohol, and I thought I wouldn’t have to deal with this kind of problem. But I see that’s not the case, and it can happen to anyone out of the blue. Cold weather is only a minor risk for me because I’m wary of it and avoid it (which explains why I choose certain countries for winter trips). Still, sometimes you’re "forced" to go out in freezing temps. Now that I know the risks, I’ll avoid strenuous activity in those conditions.

Wishing you a speedy recovery and happy travels!

Jean Marie
PT Ptitgris Regular ·
And what about those of us who aren’t on Faceb**k—are we automatically excluded?!
ptitgris
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
I was 200% reluctant to sign up for Facebooc. I have a friend who left for a big cycling adventure in Africa, and he posts about his journey every day on Facebooc. Despite all my reservations, I signed up a year ago, and I don’t regret it—I haven’t had any "weird stuff" happen, everything’s fine. I even created my own page, and everything’s going well there too—nothing to complain about… Shows you shouldn’t hesitate to change your mind. If there’s ever a "slip-up," I won’t hesitate to unsubscribe.

So I don’t see why there should be any exclusions. But if you’ve got another idea, it’d be interesting to hear it.
Je ne vais pas vite ...mais j'y vais !!! https://facebook.com/claude.lagriffoul
SI Sitik Veteran ·
No opinion on Facebook or I’m not on it. Simply because there are countries where it’s inaccessible. Like western Sichuan.
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
Sorry, but I don’t have any other ideas... After all, aren’t we doing great here? 😏
Je ne vais pas vite ...mais j'y vais !!! https://facebook.com/claude.lagriffoul
PT Ptitgris Regular ·
Love hearing you say that!!! ;)
ptitgris
AL Alainchti62 ·
Hi everyone, I’m new to the forum. I found this discussion really inspiring, and I hope we all keep enjoying cycling for many years to come.
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
62 = for the Pas-de-Calais or 62 years old?? 😏
Je ne vais pas vite ...mais j'y vais !!! https://facebook.com/claude.lagriffoul
MA Marengo ·
In September 2016, I was 79 and my wife was 78. We went cycling in Austria with a group where most could have been our kids. Some of the hills were tough to climb, but we climbed them. I’ve had a hip replacement for 14 years and never think about it. Just so you know, when we were young, we weren’t exactly sporty—we’re not ex-champions, just ex-not-very-good who’ve always kept active... you should never stop cycling, that’s the secret. And if pedaling gets tough sometimes, just remind yourself you’re better off on your bike than in a cardiologist’s waiting room. When I can’t pedal anymore, I’ll let you know—but that’s not happening anytime soon...
Robert
GA Gabey Veteran ·
Hi Jean Marie, Soon you’ll be off! Well deserved, and after all that prep you must be excited? I’m pretty impressed seeing the three of you head out. We’ve been traveling as a couple for years. We tried a trip with two other couples in the Spanish mountains, and to stick to the thread’s topic—one couple was over 70… best forgotten!

I haven’t looked at your route in detail, but it seems there are several entry points into Thailand. I’m sure you’ve checked the visa exemption rules. One thing you might already know: the two-month Thai tourist visa is free until the end of February.

By the way, we might cross paths—we’re leaving on January 12th for Saigon, then Cambodia (Phnom Penh National Park) to take the Discovery Mekong Trail up to southern Laos, and maybe back to Bangkok via Vientiane.

Quick question: how does the trike handle on dirt tracks?

Okay, I’ll stop polluting the thread now.
http://www.catherineetgabrielsurlaroute.blogspot.com/
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Catherine and Gabriel,

We’re right in the middle of preparations for our departure on January 4th.

So far, we haven’t had any issues with the group. I guess it helps that we’re all the same age, have known each other since childhood, and cycled together until we were about 25.

We got our Thai visa for free in Lyon on December 12th. We’ll be entering Thailand two more times after that, but each stay will be under the 30-day visa exemption for French travelers.

The trike handles well on fairly wide and not-too-rough tracks. If we have to carry it, though, things get trickier—which is why we’ve decided to go with mountain bikes this year.

It’s definitely possible we’ll cross paths this year and get to meet. If that happens, we’d be happy to! I’ll send you more details about our route "planning" in a private message.

Here’s the site for 2017: http://cyclotourismetranquille.e-monsite.com/pages/voyage-2017/carte-google-du-projet-d-itineraire.html

Hope to see you soon, maybe in Cambodia or Laos!

Jean Marie
LU Lucbertrand Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean-Marie, I followed a good chunk of the spots you marked on that gorgeous “interactive” map during my own trips between Thailand and Laos. In particular, you’ve planned the 120 km dirt track west of the Mekong that ends in Luang Prabang—stunning, with tons of elevation gain. The stretch starting from Luang Prabang along the left bank of the Mekong is also really pretty once you’re about fifteen klicks outside town. I also rode your route to Vientiane, just in the opposite direction. The section south of Vientiane in Laos was another highlight I covered on a different trip—you can check out the full trip reports I posted on VF. But the absolute highlight was the February–March 2016 ride that partly overlapped your northern Laos route. I only documented the off-road segments:

voyageforum.com/...ost=7452444;#7452444

All that to get to my question: how do you actually make a slick interactive map like the one showing your route? Luc
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Luc,

Thanks for the link, but I’d already gone through your trip report—it actually helped shape our route and bike choices for this 2017 ride.

We’re leaving on Wednesday, January 4, so I had to get the upcoming Google map ready. While I was at it, I put together a quick tutorial. It might not answer every question you have, but it walks through the steps for creating a Google map. I’m pretty sure I’ll use it next time too, since the beginning—up to “create a map”—isn’t exactly intuitive, and I always have to fumble through it (which, at twice a year, is about par for the course).

You can view and download the little PDF tutorial here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1HF1AWrBfCHd0phQ2VLeTRBNXc

Jean Marie
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
Hi Jean Marie, Best wishes (it’s that time of year!) for your trip... I’ll be thinking of you when I’m pedaling—just to ease your own pedaling! 🙂 How lucky to set off with a team that’s been together since the "shorts" days, plus a mechanic’s skills (I saw the racks)—in short, everything to avoid nasty surprises. Safe travels! I’ll definitely follow your blog (I get the feeling you’re the group’s IT guy). Christian
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Christian,

True. Mechanically, we manage pretty well, but that doesn’t rule out an irreparable breakdown without the right tools. Yes, I’m the one who writes the site and records the routes. Wishing you a happy 2017 too.

Jean Marie
CO Coulonneux42 Veteran ·
Hi Jean-Marie, I just came across your post. Wishing you a great trip—it’s awesome! Personally, I cycled through Vietnam in 2012 and Cambodia in 2013. After recovering from anemia, I stopped, but I’m ready to hit the road again. Anyway, congrats and safe travels! I’m from Montbrison and a pigeon fancier—I often go to Neulise to train my homing pigeons. Hope to meet you someday. I’m in my 72nd year, and all’s well. I’ll be following your blog. André
http://mali20082.uniterre.com/ http://loiredanubeavelo.over-blog.com/ http://vietnamnord2012.over-blog.com/ http://cambodge2013.eklablog.com/ André
SP Spacebird Regular ·
Hello, I read that you're heading to Vietnam, Cambodia, then Thailand around January 12th. While I’m not bringing my bike this time, I’m also leaving for Vietnam around those dates—maybe Cambodia and Thailand too, using "transport and youth hostel/guesthouse" mode. I’d love to know if you’ve already considered the "possible risks and challenges" of finding accommodations and other transport during Tết? Unless you’re camping and cycling the whole route, of course—in that case, you’re less dependent on closed or fully booked infrastructure.
LU Lucbertrand Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean-Marie, thanks for the link—I’ll give it a try. I’m not exactly a tech whiz, but apart from the middle of the Gobi Desert, I’ve never really felt out of my depth, even in the Atacama with just a 1:500,000 or even 1:1,000,000 scale map. I’ve even got to say that often when you take a wrong turn, that’s when you make the best discoveries, so let’s protect the right to get lost .

Anyway, safe travels on the trails of Southeast Asia, and don’t forget that survival on Laotian roads comes down to knowing *kin kao* or *rao* (eat rice) and *kin feû* (eat soup).

Luc
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
To answer the original question: “bike travel—how old is too old?” I’d say this morning: without panniers, up to 105 years old! ;)
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
17 178jules Veteran ·
The guy’s an alien—his heart’s half his age. But it gives hope to youngsters like us! Daniel
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
LU Lucbertrand Globetrotter ·
Hi Christian, without panniers I’ve had two experiences with men aged 83. The first time we were doing a ride with panniers around the Causses area. We stopped under the Millau Viaduct to marvel at the pier, which is taller than the Eiffel Tower. A cyclist riding at a good pace arrived, stopped, and we chatted. He was 83 and still did 80 to 100 km several times a week. We set off together, he disappeared into the distance, and I wasn’t even 60 yet with good legs!!! Another time, my bike shop organized a small race near Mont Thou in the Saône Valley, north of Lyon. I signed up, thinking I had good legs—I’d just come back from a 3.5-month trip across South America. I got overtaken on a climb and left behind by an 83-year-old competitor. There’s hope, though don’t expect to break the brand-new hour record of 22.580 km (if I remember right) for the over-105s Luc
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
And yet you don’t come off as an amateur at all!!! And on the occasion of the second “challenge” you mentioned, you’d “doped up on altitude” in South America... I learned a lesson from the old-timer: never stop! I’ve been part of this conversation for a while now, but I only recently discovered your travels, and I’ve only had a quick look (so far) at your stories—hats off to you! Christian
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
PE Penloch Regular ·
Hi,

In the same vein, a few years ago I was in northern Laos (Luang Nam Tha), a really rugged area, and at a little roadside eatery where I was having dinner, the waitress came by with two dishes while my table neighbors—a senior couple—had already been served. I thought at the time that the dish was for us, but it wasn’t.

The New Zealand couple, our neighbors aged 82 and 83, had come from Thailand via the north through Chiang Rai and were heading to Hanoi. They hadn’t had a proper meal in two days, which explained their appetite. They stayed an extra few days in the area to "recharge."

I ran into them again a week later in Luang Prabang, but by then it was a piece of cake for them since it was mostly downhill.

Encounters like this inspire a lot of respect and humility. Of course, this couple had been doing long-distance hiking for a long time and hadn’t started in their sixties.
AL Alainchti62 ·
Hi Claude,

62 for the Pas-de-Calais, and 59 this year 🙂… just a youngster.
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
And a "big" athlete (avatar). Well done!
Je ne vais pas vite ...mais j'y vais !!! https://facebook.com/claude.lagriffoul
FR Frannycyclo Regular ·
Crocomalo still has hope! My last trip (home-Mediterranean-Atlantic-Loire-Rhône-Rhine Canal-Rhine-Danube-Black Sea) should’ve been called the "trip of despair"! But I’m getting ready to hit the road again! Happy cycling, www.frannycyclo.com
Françoise www.frannycyclo.com
RI Rigoll Regular ·
Yes, that’s the EuroVelo 6. I did it in 2014—I was 70. I have great memories of it. I’m planning to set off again this summer for another adventure. Now’s not the time to lose my touch! Jean-Marie
JM
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
Hi Françoise... thanks for your encouragement! I took a look at your site and saw that you posted your June 6, 2016, day just two days ago!... when do you reach the Black Sea? 😉 Given what I know about your health issues, I can only tip my hat and cheer you on for your next adventures. Christian
http://limportantcestlechemin.over-blog.com/
17 178jules Veteran ·
Good evening Françoise, We're still here, and we're still getting on the bike! We've got another 20 to 25 years of riding ahead to beat the old-timer's record. I haven't decided yet for this year—I've got a few projects in the works. Happy 2017 plans!

Daniel
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."

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