Six-week trip to Mexico
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Translated into English.

GR Greggig Regular ·
...to pick up your Mexico travel journal, obviously! 😉
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Georges,

I’m trying to take some good photos, but just then a couple of tourists show up and plant themselves right in front of the entrance gate, staring up in awe with their giant, ridiculous khaki bush hats on full display.

Ugh, those tourist clods—what a pain! Scout’s honor, it wasn’t me blocking the gate! Though I *do* wear a "ridiculous khaki bush hat" too! 😛😏

Anyway, I’m (back from India, me too) waiting with varying levels of patience for your thoughts on Oaxaca! 😉
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
But with a short stop in Chiapa de Corzo before getting there!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Chiapa de Corzo

We find the colectivos to Chiapa de Corzo at the bus stop, right where we were dropped off from Palenque. The road to Tuxtla Gutierrez is interesting—we cross the mountains and descend almost into the plains. Chiapa is still at around 400 meters in altitude, but the climate is noticeably warmer than in SCdlC. We’re dropped off at the junction for Chiapa, or more precisely, a few hundred meters away. With the mid-morning heat, the idea of walking doesn’t exactly thrill us, but luckily, as the guidebook says, you just have to cross the road—watch out for traffic—to wait for a colectivo heading to Chiapa. Easy as pie.

The interesting part of Chiapa is tiny. There’s, of course, the dock on the Grijalva River, which is really beautiful. But the boat ride will have to wait until tomorrow. The main central square is… large, and pretty deserted, and let’s just say it’s a bit sterile. The much-touted monument La Pila in the middle was built in 1562 in the Mudéjar style. If I understood correctly, it was a fountain, but the water isn’t running. There’s nothing like a turned-off fountain to disappoint a visitor—it’s like a waterfall that turns out to be dry after hours of hiking. So, we only stop for about ten minutes, just long enough to try out my zoom lens on two Indigenous women sitting in the square. The photos aren’t great, but they still show off those beautiful floral-themed outfits that the women love so much.

In the immediate area, there’s the covered market, which isn’t exactly thrilling and is tiny to boot, and also the Santo Domingo convent. It looks nice from the outside (photo), but no luck—it’s under repair and can’t be visited.

Since we’ve decided to do the Sumidero Canyon excursion the next morning, we’ve got a lot of time to kill, so we decide to head to the ruins about 2 km east of the central square, which shouldn’t be too much of a slog. The streets are pretty deserted; it’s already quite hot, and people are staying indoors—totally understandable. When we arrive at the Archaeological Park, bad news: we can’t go in. The women having their lunch behind the fences explain that it’s closed for repairs after an earthquake. We can just make out a few mounds that don’t seem as exciting as Teotihuacan or Palenque, but it’s worth noting that this site is *very* old. Chiapa has been occupied for at least 3,500 years and was a commercial and cultural crossroads between various Indigenous cultures—Olmec, Zoque, and Mixtec—and even farther-reaching Central American cultures.

As evening falls, we inevitably end up near the dock. There really aren’t many restaurant options. Time and the river flow quietly…
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Chiapa de Corzo – The Sumidero Canyon

Before diving into the new day, I’m posting two photos of Y trying on a dress last night that a Tzotzil woman was trying to sell us while we were at one of the few restaurants overlooking the river. It’s to illustrate, once again, the beauty of all the different textiles you can find in Mexico. The floral embroidery stood out beautifully against the black background of the dress 😎 (cotton or wool, I can’t remember). I have to say, we were really tempted to buy it, and at a very modest price.

Unfortunately, we thought the dress was a bit short, and the woman didn’t have any others. Looking back now and seeing the photos, it seems like a good fit, doesn’t it? Maybe we were too influenced by the justified impression that Indigenous people are often quite short… and yet Y isn’t tall! In the end, we bought a pretty blouse (with flowers, of course) for 200 pesos. Oh, and dinner cost us 415 pesos—it was fish and shrimp, and it was delicious, washed down with 2 or 3 coronas. 😛

After an early breakfast (200 pesos for two), we bought our tickets for the famous canyon excursion: 250 pesos per person, which is pretty expensive for Mexico. But we waited… and waited… and waited… An hour passed, and we were still alone, and the lancha wouldn’t leave until there were enough passengers. 🙁 There’s room for a good dozen people in there!

A foreign tourist arrived and waited with us. He’s a Franco-Spaniard from Ronda, Andalusia. We chatted about Andalusia, which we love. More tourists arrived—two or three Mexican couples from California. Still not enough to launch the lancha, and it was starting to get hot… We negotiated an extra 100 pesos each 😕 to finally start our excursion.

Maybe now’s the time to talk a little about the Grijalva River. It’s named after one of the first Spanish conquistadors, Juan de Grijalva, who, if I’m not mistaken, was one of Hernán Cortés’ companions. The local names for the river are Tabasco (or Tavasco?), like the Mexican state of the same name, but also Rio Chiapa or Rio Mezcalapa. Its source is in Guatemala. One of the restaurants at the Chiapa de Corzo dock had an interesting map of the state of Chiapas, showing how the river flows in a southeast/northwest direction, following the orientation of a mountain range crossing the border with Guatemala. The river empties into the Gulf of Mexico downstream from Villahermosa. We’d seen all that water from our plane when arriving from Mexico City… On the map, I roughly show this configuration of southern Mexico.

You might be wondering: why bore people with all these details? First, I find these details really interesting—I write based on my personal research, and if it bores readers, they can just skip to the next paragraph. Second, the Grijalva River is fundamentally important for several reasons, especially in the history of Mexico and Central America. It more or less formed a border between the Aztec Empire and Mayan territories (not to mention other Indigenous groups—this is just to keep it simple). And further back in history, it undoubtedly facilitated trade and cultural exchanges between all these regions.

Back to the canyon. We passed under the big bridge spanning the river—it’s the road to Tuxtla Gutiérrez. After a checkpoint (the entrance to the “park”), we entered the heart of the canyon, and yes, it’s impressive. The cliffs are steep on both sides and reach over 1,000 meters in height in some places! 😮😎

We stopped for a few moments on the shore to watch a family of spider monkeys, who let us photograph them peacefully. A number of birds perched on the abundant floating vegetation to fish. But there’s way more than just vegetation—it’s impossible not to notice all the trash of all kinds being carried by the river. We’re in the age of plastic, ugh… 😠

The exit of the canyon opens onto a large expanse of water, the reservoir of the Chicoasén dam. The landscape is green and pleasant to the eye. Before turning back, we made a quick stop: cold drinks were being offered from 2 or 3 boats. Given the heat, it was tempting. I got a michelada for 50 pesos (!), which I regretted a few minutes later. It’s a mix of beer and I-don’t-know-what, and it was pretty gross. 🙁 No better than the micheladas I’d tried the previous year in Colombia.

All in all, the trip lasted over 2 hours. The route was about 20-30 km. We got back to Chiapa tired from the heat. Y’s upset with me because I didn’t think to buy sunscreen, and she got a little sunburned 😊—the horror for a Thai who, like all her compatriots, is constantly worried about her skin getting darker!

In the central square, we had trouble finding space in a colectivo to Tuxtla Gutiérrez. It was noon, crowded, and the sun was blazing, I can’t even tell you! On the way: 30 pesos for both of us, and it’s only 10-12 km away. In Tuxtla, we took a taxi to cross the city (60 pesos) to the bus terminal, where we waited a few hours for our bus to Oaxaca.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca - Arrival

We had booked our bus tickets to Oaxaca at an office in SCdlC. You can find these offices in all major cities, which is handy when you're not too confident with the internet. The overnight bus cost us 1,720 pesos for two, or 40 euros per person—a significant expense, but since it's not every day, right? All we had to do was wait at the Tuxtla terminal...

That’s where we met this Spaniard, whom we initially mistook for a Mexican. He was heading to Guadalajara to meet his Mexican girlfriend. He seemed to have some experience in the country and spoke highly of Guadalajara—authentic, with no excessive tourism. He also explained that neither he nor I were gringos but güeros (or weros). The term refers to light-skinned people (as opposed to morenos, who have darker skin) and whose hair is supposedly blond or light brown, though that second condition doesn’t seem strictly necessary in practice. Fair-skinned to begin with but with the slight tan I’ve developed after so many years in the tropics, I fit perfectly into this category and don’t stand out too much as a foreigner in the crowd.

It’s an overnight bus. Let’s hope traffic is smooth and there are no obstacles on the road. On the way from SCdlC to Chiapa de Corzo, I’d noticed signs advising brake-less vehicles to “follow the red line” on descents: “Vehículos sin frenos siguen la raya roja,” and other vehicles to yield to brake-less ones: “Cedan el paso a vehículos sin frenos.” Not exactly reassuring for travelers!

Fortunately, the ride was comfortable, and best of all, there were almost none of those dreaded “topes” that had bothered us so much between Palenque and SCdlC! Dawn found us in the last mountains before Oaxaca. A quick taxi ride, and we arrived at the hotel.

Describing Oaxaca is going to be a challenge—there’s so much to see and do! We spent several days there, so I’ll just follow the thread of some photos as I took them.

We were just a few days away from the famous Día de Muertos, and it was immediately noticeable. There were far more foreign tourists than we’d seen so far, except in Teotihuacan. The Día de Muertos in Oaxaca isn’t yet completely turned into a gringo festival, like Songkran has become a “Farang” event in Bangkok, but the trend is clear.

All over the city center, you could see skeletons of all kinds, often arranged in funny scenes for tourists to take souvenir photos. Crowds were everywhere—outside the cathedral (photo) and beyond.

One thing that really stands out is the vibrant artistic scene in this city. Some photos taken at the Jardín Labastida, near the Templo de Santo Domingo, show the variety of paintings and other artworks looking for buyers.

But it’s not all modern. On the sidewalk, this elderly Indigenous woman had laid out several beautifully embroidered blouses. A couple of Americans, who claimed to be experts in local Indigenous art, were amazed. They said it’s rare to find handicrafts from this particular village (San Pedro Ixtlahuaca, if I remember correctly) in the city. We just admired the quality of the work and left the Americans, who seemed determined to make a purchase.

That’s a first impression of Oaxaca. I’ll need several more pages to “soak up” all my memories of this city. See you soon for the next part!
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
I brought back a lot of things from Mexico, but I never haggled because people need to make a living.
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
I brought back a lot of things from Mexico, but I never haggled because people need to make a living

Hi Marie-Françoise,

That’s really noble of you, but it’s not necessarily the best approach either. Sure, I’m not about arguing over the last peso (or rupee, or baht, etc.). There are people who think they’re clever by haggling like crazy—I’m not one of them.

But a little negotiation, with a smile, often makes the sellers happy in many of these “exotic” countries, where prices aren’t really fixed to begin with. Haggling is completely part of the way of life there.

The key is knowing when to stop—if the other person firmly resists, for example. And you don’t haggle over small items. I’d never dream of trying to knock down the price of a kilo of mangoes I buy on the street in Mexico, India, or Thailand! But every time I take local transport, for instance, I ask the price upfront and 9 times out of 10, I try to get it lowered (often the initial price is inflated because I’m a foreigner).

I totally agree with you that people need to make a living, and I’m not stingy with those I meet. Knowing how to haggle is another matter entirely.
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
It’s clear you live in Asia!
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FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
For me living in France, Mexico isn’t exactly an "exotic" country.
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – Zaachila Market

Let’s start with a practical detail: breakfast. We tried two or three different spots and lucked out. For example, there’s Rincón del Búho on Avenida de la Independencia, 600 meters from the Zócalo and just before Nuestra Señora de la Merced. It’s super clean, the food is excellent, and the service is impeccable. For 220 pesos, we both ate our fill.

Now that we’re stuffed, it’s time to move on to the "adventure-discovery" part of our trip! By "adventure," I mean a gentle version of it, of course!

One of Oaxaca’s many draws is the number of fun little day trips you can take in the surrounding valleys. The city is surrounded by the Sierra Madre mountains, and there are three main valleys to explore, offering plenty of options.

It’s Thursday, which means it’s Zaachila Market day—a small town in the Valle Grande, south of Oaxaca. We take the local bus (9 pesos per person) for this little 15-kilometer excursion from Oaxaca. On our left, we pass the international airport. Once there, it only takes a few minutes to reach the market, and we’re greeted by a lively atmosphere.

The market is centered around a small square, easily recognizable by its unique fountain: the basin is lined with bricks in geometric patterns typical of indigenous design, topped by a statue of an Indigenous man in full regalia—his headdress is quite extraordinary. We sit on one of the benches ("in Mexico, there are tons of public benches") to people-watch. I take photos of locals with striking features—men in sombreros and elderly women who could almost pass for Mediterranean grandmothers. I get the impression that the Indigenous people of the region, mostly Zapotecs if I’m not mistaken, have much lighter skin than others. Their facial features seem almost Southern European. The vibe is super friendly; people are relaxed and smiling. An elderly man sitting next to us strikes up a conversation, and we chat pleasantly until his wife arrives—a cute little grandma like the ones I used to see in the mountains of northern Italy during my childhood vacations.

I mentioned the sombreros: there are some beautiful displays if we needed another one. But there’s everything here—turkeys, flowers, fruits—and food stalls where you can sit down to eat and have a drink. And those beautifully decorated breads? Never seen anything like them before!

After thoroughly exploring the market, we head toward Santa María Church, about a hundred meters away, up a flight of steps. No, we’re not here to visit the church (we’ve seen enough of those!), but to check out the archaeological site just a little farther. I’m well aware that Zaachila has archaeological significance—it was an important center of Zapotec culture, roughly contemporary with Monte Albán (just a few kilometers away). But to be honest, we could’ve skipped the 45-peso entry fee (per person), totaling around 4-5 €, because there’s not much to see besides a mound. The two tombs buried beneath it are open for viewing, but it only takes a minute—nothing particularly striking. Still, no regrets; we made a small donation to support the country’s heritage research and restoration efforts. Plus, the area is lush and pleasant, with beautiful cacti and flowers.

On our way back to the market, Santa María Church stands dramatically against a heavy, cloudy sky.

We take a shared taxi back to Oaxaca (17 pesos per person). That evening, we stroll near the Templo de Santo Domingo. In one of the side streets, we find a tiny little restaurant where we try tlayudas (125 pesos for two). What a discovery—delicious! 😛

A quick note on the markets around Oaxaca. Since they’re held on different days—usually just one day a week—a traveler who wanted to visit them all would need to stay in Oaxaca for a full week. Which isn’t hard to do, given how much there is to see and do in this incredible city. But of course, that’s not feasible for the "schedule-obsessed" travelers who want to "do Mexico" in 10 days…
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – The Templo de Santo Domingo de Guzmán

If there’s one must-see in Oaxaca itself, in my opinion, it’s the Templo de Santo Domingo de Guzmán. A stunning example of Mexican Baroque style, this church was founded by the Dominican order in the mid-16th century. Inside, you’re struck by the exuberance of the ornamentation, for which over 60,000 gold leaves were used. 😇 The vaults—what can I say? Just look at the photos and judge for yourselves. Personally, we found it absolutely breathtaking, mind-blowing. Yes, it’s elaborate, but what beauty, what elegance! 😎

Heading back toward the Zócalo, there are several possible routes, and every street in the center has something interesting. Here, a charming little house. There, an unusual entrance: the « Calaveras Old School », or « Skulls Old School ». The mural to the right of the door leaves no doubt about the place’s favorite theme. After a few detours, we find ourselves near the Mercado Benito Juárez. There’s a bit of chaos like in any market, but it’s far from as dirty as what you often see in India (since we’ve just come back from there).

And of course, we end up back at the Zócalo. It’s impossible to take a full photo of the square—it’s too crowded from every angle. Suffice to say that, like in almost every city I’ve seen in Mexico (and Colombia), it’s a particularly pleasant place to wander, sit (yes, yes, you already know: in Mexico, the benches tra-la-la!), and watch the world go by.

With all this, you can easily spend most of a relaxed day in Oaxaca.🙂
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi there,

So, from what I’m reading, you can definitely spend a pleasant week exploring Oaxaca and its surroundings. Between Oaxaca and Chiapas, which did you prefer?
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

Reading your post, it sounds like you could have a lovely week of discoveries in Oaxaca and its surroundings. Between Oaxaca and Chiapas, which did you prefer?

Without a doubt! I’d say going for just 3 days would be way too short, but at least it would let you: 1) explore the city (the downtown area is walkable, but you could easily spend a full day there), 2) take a day trip (a nearby market, or Mitla and Hierve el Agua), and 3) visit Monte Albán (amazing—I’d go back in a heartbeat).

But it’d be a rush. Honestly, you should plan at least 4–5 days, if not more, for the city and its surroundings.

As for choosing between Chiapas and Oaxaca, it’s tough. But if you pushed me, I’d pick Oaxaca. Why? Because there’s so much to do from one base. Sure, San Cristóbal de las Casas (SCdlC) is nice, there are indigenous markets nearby, and you can do the Sumidero Canyon as a day trip from SCdlC. But SCdlC is much smaller than Oaxaca. Plus, if you’re into archaeology, Monte Albán is right outside Oaxaca, while Palenque requires a grueling 5–6 hour trip (so it’s not a day-trip option from SCdlC).

Others will definitely have different opinions!
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
I’m not interested in Colonial Mexico at all—I only love pre-Columbian civilizations and the current indigenous peoples.
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FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
Sorry, but I don’t know how else to put it
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MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Georges,

Okay, Oaxaca is a go! Since we’re neither "schedule-obsessed" (love that phrase! 😉), nor marathon sightseers, we’ll spend a week in Oaxaca—it blends colonial heritage with pre-Columbian treasures. Thanks again for this travel journal! 🙂

Michel
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
I'm used to this forum where the national sport is to humiliate others ^to shut them up
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JO Joss34 ·
I'm used to this forum where the national sport is to humiliate others ^to shut them up

It's just that you have a habit of making condescending or completely off-topic remarks when no one asked for them. You don’t like "colonial" Mexico or Catholic churches because you're Protestant (NB: that’s a dumb argument, by the way)—that’s your choice, but honestly, we don’t really care. Also, sorry, but the Yucatán you visit is far from authentic; it’s more like a money-making machine, and to me, it’s not even really Mexico when you push it. To get back to the author’s point, Oaxaca is *totally* worth the detour—way more than Chiapas, in my opinion.
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
Everyone has their own opinions and their own vacations
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – Meanwhile...

Hmmmm, there’s some tension in the air with these recent messages... I hope the food will help smooth things over. Oaxaca has a reputation as a major culinary hub in Mexico. Without having visited the "expensive" restaurants, we definitely ate very well during our stay.

This is a personal point, but it’s part of our travel experience: since Y is Thai, it sometimes causes a few issues when it comes to food. Let me explain: from long experience with Thais, I can say that, as a general rule (with a few exceptions), they’re not very open to cuisines different from their own, no matter their social class. Y is no exception. It took years for her to start appreciating European food (but now she especially loves cheeses!). When we travel, she absolutely needs, from time to time, to retreat to a restaurant where she can have rice and fish, or better yet: shrimp.

No problem, we found the perfect spot in Oaxaca. It’s at the corner of Fray Bartolomé de Las Casas and Bustaramante, 100 meters from the Zócalo, and it’s called « Mariscos – La Red» ("The Net"). Having discovered this "ideal" restaurant (from a Thai’s perspective), we went back several times and were never disappointed. Y tried all the shrimp dishes, always with rice (photo), and loved them. 🙂 Excellent food, washed down with a few ice-cold "Sol" beers, friendly service, a nice crowd (you easily chat with the tables next to you), and very reasonable prices (we paid around 300 pesos for two, or 14 €).

Another great spot, especially for breakfast, is at the corner of the Zócalo, at the start of Miguel Hidalgo Street, called Chili Guajili. I particularly enjoyed the Tacos de Coloradito (100 pesos, served with an amazing orange juice—see photo, as well as another great dish). It’s delicious, really satisfying, especially if you add the little sauces they serve on the side. These little sauces, a funny detail, Y calls them "nam chim", as they remind her exactly of the little sauces served in Thailand. Oh, and I almost forgot: it’s also a good place for Wi-Fi.

I mentioned "Sol". Along with the well-known "Corona" (not the virus!), these are my favorite beers in Mexico. They’re refreshing. 😛 I tried a few others but never found a truly excellent beer (I had the same experience in Colombia). However, I’ll give special mention to the "Indio" beer, first for its name, and then for this special edition "Bienvenidos – Edición Muertos" which I find quite amusing (photo).

This brings us back to the central theme of our stay in Oaxaca: the "Día de Muertos" festivities. How could we forget? It’s everywhere. In the evening, for example, some very typical faces among the crowd enjoying themselves around the cathedral (photos). On our way back to our hotel, a bit outside the center, we stumble upon a local celebration. The photo is blurry due to the low light (my phone has its limits), but you’ll recognize all those devil horns and masks that are so much fun.

If you ever want to get into the local spirit, you can either get your face painted in the street or simply buy a mask—you’ll find them everywhere.

But beyond all the skeletons and devils of all kinds, there’s also the more normal vibe of the city. One evening, we’re drawn to music in the middle of the Zócalo. There’s a whole group of musicians performing on the bandstand, and they’re really good. The atmosphere is amazing. 😎 Y starts dancing a few steps, much to the delight of the spectators (she always impresses!). 😉 We strike up a conversation with an American couple, really nice people, and we exchange contact info, but as often happens when traveling, you meet people you really click with and then quickly lose touch... 😐

And on Wednesday evenings, there’s a "danzón" between the Zócalo and the cathedral. "Danzón" is a dance of Cuban origin that’s become very popular in Mexico, though it seems more like a community dance than a specific style. What we see looks more like salsa. Doesn’t matter—people are dancing or watching others dance. It’s relaxed and good-natured. Ah, life is good in this country! 🙂
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hello,

Regarding the archaeological site of Zaachila, you wrote this:

I’m well aware that Zaachila has archaeological significance—it was an important center of Zapotec culture, more or less contemporary with the Monte Albán period (which is only a few kilometers away). But to be honest, we could’ve skipped the 45 pesos entry fee (per person), which added up to a total of 4–5 euros, because there’s really not much to see aside from a mound. The two tombs buried beneath it are open for visits, but it only takes a minute: there’s nothing particularly striking.

What you’re saying is backed up by the *Guide Vert*. Here’s a quote:

« What remains of the last Zapotec capital, aside from stones used by villagers as building material and pottery shards collected by children for years? The site consists of a few grassy mounds and two tombs uncovered in 1962. »
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
This lockdown is TOUGH ::!!!!!!
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ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
We’re not going to Zaachila for the site but more for the market. From what I remember, I think it’s on Thursdays (double-check!)
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
We’re not going to Zaachila for the site but rather for the market. From what I recall, I think it’s on Thursdays (to be confirmed)

That’s right, it’s on Thursdays. The market is really nice, and we loved the interaction with the locals (though where in Mexico isn’t the contact super friendly?).

I’ll continue this travel journal in the coming days, but in the meantime, I’ve got a lot on my plate with my return trip to Europe (visiting my mom, who really needs my support given the situation). What’s happening with flights these days is pretty problematic. 😕
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
The borders are closed
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Borders are closed

I just checked the France-Diplomatie website: https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/le-ministere-et-son-reseau/actualites-du-ministere/informations-coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-les-reponses-a-vos-questions/

Here’s what it says:

"Returning to France

I’m a French national currently traveling abroad temporarily. Should I return to France immediately?

A/ If you’re a French resident within the European area (European Union, Schengen Zone, United Kingdom).

If you’re a French national with your usual residence outside France but within the European area, we recommend avoiding intra-European travel, even to return to France, unless imperative reasons require it. If you’d need to cross several land borders to get back to France, direct flights should be prioritized whenever possible.

B/ If you’re a French national with your usual residence outside the European area.

We recommend avoiding international travel as much as possible over the next 30 days, even to return to France, unless imperative reasons require it. If you feel it’s necessary to return to France—especially given health concerns—you should contact our embassies and consulates as soon as possible."

(I put a few words in bold)

These are "recommendations," even if they’re strong ones. I’d be very surprised if they refused a French citizen re-entry, especially if it’s to visit elderly relatives.
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
Okay, in my daughter’s case, since she lives 5 km away, she should be able to come visit us given our age.
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
pOK in my daughter’s case—she lives 5 km away—she should be able to come visit us given our age

I think it’s best to drop this off-topic discussion and get back (I promise) to the original topic: Mexico.
NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
pOK in my daughter’s case, since she lives 5 km away, she should be able to come visit us given our age

I think it’s best to drop this off-topic discussion and get back (I promise!) to the original topic: Mexico.

yesss! 🙂
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – The Tlacolula Valley

While the small town of Tlacolula lends its name to the district, it might not be the main draw for travelers in the valley stretching east of Oaxaca—Mitla and Hierve el Agua are bigger attractions. I’ll come back to those, but let’s start with Tlacolula, where we went on market day. It’s only 30 km from Oaxaca, and you can easily get there by bus in under an hour (20 pesos pp). A tuk-tuk from the main road (the Pan-American Highway) to the town center costs us 15 pesos.

We arrived early in the morning and, while waiting for the market to liven up, we checked out the church. The entrance portal clearly shows indigenous (Zapotec) influence, much like in Chamula (see the SCdlC section). It’s colorful but fairly simple. The main motifs seem to be a tree of life and a repeated floral pattern above the doorway—maybe flowers. All of this contrasts with the more "European" style inside, with its heavily ornate Baroque decor (silver everywhere). We weren’t particularly impressed, having already seen so many stunning Mexican churches.

To be honest, the market didn’t excite us much either, and we didn’t stay long. We might’ve been more interested if we hadn’t already seen the Zaachila market! We continued our journey to Mitla, about a dozen kilometers away, by taxi this time—just 50 pesos.

We wandered through some deserted, uninviting streets, looking for our hotel near the archaeological zone on the town’s higher ground. From the hotel, we had a great view of the surrounding mountains (photo). Hierve el Agua is up in those mountains.

We ate for 185 pesos at a very modest restaurant—really just a private home—right above the shops clustered around Mitla’s famous ruins. There were some nice handicrafts. As usual, the textiles impressed me the most. Check out these vibrant "rugs" displayed outside one of the shops. I usually don’t jump at the first place I see, and it was farther down, away from the "market," where I found what I was looking for. From the street (the "Camino Nacional"), you could see these "rugs" and shirts hanging on lines in a house’s courtyard. It wasn’t really a shop, but we went in a little hesitantly. A young man welcomed us and gave us a demonstration on a loom while chatting with his mother… not in Spanish. We loved the understated, non-garish colors of the "mantenes"—actually meant to be table runners, but they could work for other things too (bedspreads, curtains?). That’s what you see on the left side of the photo. How could we resist? We ended up buying two for 400 pesos after a little haggling. If I’m not mistaken, that’s about half the price you’d find elsewhere.

Speaking of "mantenes," I should mention Huizache, a well-known shop in Oaxaca located halfway between the Zócalo and the Templo de Santo Domingo. They have absolutely everything, all top quality, and there’s plenty of variety. It’s pricier, of course, but this is Mexico—it’s still very affordable. We’d seen some gorgeous textiles there and thought, "Next time." Well, next time it is—for curtains in Y’s house in Isan.

Back to Mitla. Tourist buses start pouring in during the day—all for those famous ruins. We had time to wander and see the Church of San Pablo, planted right in the middle of the ruins and undoubtedly built with recycled stones. Surrounded by impressive cacti, it’s quite striking. From the entrance to the archaeological zone, we could clearly see those well-known ruins, which must’ve been photographed thousands of times (like the photo with the tourist in the red backpack). The style matches the ruins around the church, and it’s not very big. So, we decided to skip the paid visit and saved 75 pesos each. You might say it’s only about 4 euros, but it all adds up—after six weeks, it starts to make a difference! Okay, I admit we were a little stingy, hahaha!

We went back to the church. I love the simple façade—beautiful pink and cream stones. The interior isn’t mind-blowing, but I did notice the religious statues, which, for once, gave saints and holy figures darker, indigenous faces. The indigenous influence, of course, and it made me happy to see. The Virgin’s white robe is stunning.

In the evening, we returned to the central square, looking for a restaurant. There wasn’t much buzz in this little town, and dining options were limited. We settled into the small room at La Ofrenda, next to the Don Cenobio hotel. Our dinner was delicious for 400 pesos, and since the service was great, we left a 50-peso tip for the surprised young waiter.

On our way back to the hotel, we stumbled upon a lively festival on the church steps. We were the only foreigners. They offered us drinks. Sitting on the church steps, we soaked in the joyful atmosphere. I took some photos with my phone. It was night, so the quality was terrible, but when I looked closer, I thought they had a certain oil-painting or watercolor charm. The blur even fit the mysterious vibe of a pagan celebration.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – The Tlacolula Valley: Hierve el Agua

The next morning, we set off for the Hierve el Agua excursion. From where we are, in the "upper" part of Mitla near the archaeological zone, it’s a good kilometer from the main road. Our bags are light, but since we’re not really sure where to find transport to Hierve el Agua, we flag down a tuk-tuk. Five minutes and 20 pesos later, we’re at a "stop" for colectivos. They’re nice, colectivos, but the downside is you have to wait until they’re full before leaving. The wait is long, with passengers trickling in. Finally, we’re on our way, joined by a couple of French-French folks—I mean the kind of French people you run into quite often who can’t string together three correct words in a foreign language—and another couple who turn out to be Québécois. It wasn’t obvious at first because the young woman speaks perfect Spanish, practically without an accent. I’ve always gotten along well with Québécois, and these two are no exception. It turns out they come to Mexico two or three times a year. He’s a freelance photographer, which gives him a lot of freedom to move around.

The colectivo takes the shortest route, a good dozen kilometers to Hierve el Agua. Once past Xaaga, a tiny little village, the road turns into nothing more than a rough, unpaved track, and the colectivo really shakes us around. We wind our way up the mountain I’d photographed the day before from the hotel, and we get stunning views of the valley below. It takes a good half-hour to arrive.

We haven’t eaten anything this morning, not even had a coffee, so our priority is to grab some food. There are a few huts in front of the site entrance. We settle in where we think we might get something decent to eat. The owner bustles around trying to light the fire under the griddle where she’ll make us "tlayudas." The acrid smoke from her efforts drives us as far away as possible from the "kitchen." Check out the photo—you’ll agree this isn’t a five-star setup! But what comes out about ten minutes later are absolutely delicious tlayudas. This dish is so good, I’m sharing a photo of it. If you ever pass through Oaxaca, don’t miss trying it! With two orange juices—excellent, by the way—Y and I pay a total of 235 pesos, which is a bit pricey for Mexico, but it was worth it, no regrets.

The site entrance costs us 25 pesos per person—that’s practically a giveaway! Unfortunately, time has slipped by, and it’s already well past 9 a.m. when we arrive at this much-touted spot for its beauty. Yes, without a doubt, I’d say it’s very beautiful. There are first of all two natural pools bordering a waterfall, all formed by the calcareous deposits from the water washing down the mountain. And it overlooks a breathtaking landscape. You can’t get enough of scanning the mountains stretching out in every direction. Wild mountains—you imagine with a little shiver what it would be like to venture into them for a few days. A mysterious, untouched Mexico, at least untouched by invaders… You think of those repeated descriptions of Castaneda’s travels with his Indian mentors, the "brujos" Don Juan and Don Genaro—there are always endless mountains, dangerous and full of "power." At least, that’s what this author chose to share, because he was heavily disputed, and the accusation of fraud still hangs in the air.

We’re not the first to arrive. There are already a good hundred people occupying the most scenic spots. Especially this one woman in a swimsuit planted right at the edge of the waterfall, smack in the middle of what would otherwise be a stunning scene. Once again, it’s the problem of people hogging the sites and not thinking of others. It’s like those people with ridiculous hats who monopolized the entrance to the church in Chamula… On top of that, this woman is far from having an attractive physique—it’s impossible to take a decent photo. Maybe a little Photoshop? But I’m not a fan of heavy photo editing… Finally, after a long wait, I get the chance to take a few halfway decent photos.

Let’s check out what’s further on. There’s a trail leading to another waterfall about 500 meters from the main site. We arrive at a small basin where the water bubbles out (well, it’s cold, so not exactly bubbling). Against a backdrop of dark green mountains, it’s pretty surreal. The trail continues and descends below the waterfalls. I go alone because Y is starting to get tired. From below, the view of the waterfall is striking, even though there’s not a drop of water today. What must it be like after a good rain!

We head back to the park entrance. Several buses are in the parking lot, waiting for all those tourists who no doubt came straight from Oaxaca. Actually, even though I’m not big on organized tours, taking one of those buses from Oaxaca might be the best option—as long as you take the first one. That way, you’re sure to arrive among the first visitors and enjoy the place more.

We take a colectivo back to Mitla. It’s 50 pesos per person each way—I forgot to mention that earlier. We meet a very friendly Franco-Colombian guy, Nicolas, someone who’s traveled a lot. He confirms what I’d already heard: Mexicans are more open than Colombians. He says he spent years in Medellín without anyone ever opening their door to him…

We wait a good hour at the Mitla bus stop—there isn’t much frequency in transport. Finally, a rickety bus arrives, and we pay 20 pesos per person to get back to Oaxaca. A taxi for 60 pesos takes us to our new hotel, right near the Mercado Benito Juárez. In the late afternoon, after a well-deserved rest, we head out for a strong margarita on the Zócalo (300 pesos), and for dinner—you guessed it—we go back to La Red. Y still hasn’t tried all the shrimp recipes yet!
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
a well-packed margarita on the Zocalo (300 pesos)

At that price, it must’ve been well-packed indeed…
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
a strong margarita on the Zocalo (300 pesos)

At that price, it had to be strong indeed…..

It was one margarita each, for me and Y. But yeah, 150 pesos is expensive for Mexico. Though I should mention it was at one of the fanciest bars on the Zocalo, and they didn’t skimp on quantity or strength!

I brought up these "refreshments" so no one thinks I’m cheap!
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
It's not just in the Riviera Maya where everything is expensive
Le Mexique pour toujours après de nomb Les chiens aboient la caravane passe
MI Michant Veteran ·
that kind of French person you run into pretty often who can’t string together three correct words in a foreign language

a woman in a swimsuit planted right at the edge of the waterfall, smack in the middle

those people with ridiculous hats

people who hog the sites and don’t think about others

Plus, this woman is far from having a flattering figure

What can you do, nothing’s right these days, my poor sir! 😎😛
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
This kind of French person you run into quite often who can’t string together three correct words in a foreign language

A woman in a swimsuit standing right at the edge of the waterfall, smack in the middle

Those people with ridiculous hats

People who hog the sites and don’t think about others

Plus, this woman is far from having an attractive figure

What can you do, nothing’s right these days, my poor sir! 😎😛

Yeah, no point denying it—some things in life are just annoying. It’s not that I’m too hung up on them, there are better things to do, but why hide it and pretend everything’s all sweetness and light? I think it adds a bit of depth to the story, actually.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
It’s not just on the Riviera Maya where everything is expensive

I should clarify, though, that this was an exception—things are generally much cheaper, and I might even have gotten the amount we paid for those two (large) drinks wrong. After all, memory can be fuzzy sometimes.
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
After all, you can have a faulty memory at times.

Let’s just say it was after an excess of the aforementioned drink…

PS: Last winter, a Margarita cost between 70 and 90 pesos.
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
After all, we can have a failing memory at times.

Let’s just say it was after an excess of the aforementioned drink…..

PS: Last winter, a Margarita cost between 70 and 90 pesos….

No doubt, it was a double Margarita then 🙂. I must’ve mixed up the price I paid for two orders—me and Y—for the price of a single one. My apologies!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – Monte Albán: Introduction

I’m sorry for the confusion I caused about the price of a margarita ordered on the Zócalo! Prices on the Zócalo aren’t that high, actually—I remember eating at the restaurant El Jardín one of the first days, which was a pretty decent spot. Sure, we didn’t order the most expensive thing on the menu—we just had some tamales, probably washed down with a beer—and it was only 270 pesos for two people, or about 10 or 12 €.

We also grabbed coffee at Café Brújula (“The Compass”), which guidebooks recommended, but it wasn’t the best place because it was too crowded. It was just 70 pesos for two (and I wasn’t blown away by the coffee).

Try finding prices like that in a big European city—or even on the Riviera Maya, which everyone keeps raving about!

If you wander just a little off the main drag (it only takes a few minutes on foot), you’ll find the local spots. One evening, we ventured into a bar near the intersection of C. Colón and C. Melchor Ocampo. There were about a dozen customers, all Mexicans, and they looked like regular folks. We ordered rum at the counter and quickly struck up a conversation with a couple of our neighbors—people were as friendly as always, in our experience. I think it was all men in there, but as usual, everyone was respectful toward Y. Then we ordered mezcal, which earned us approving nods because “mezcal deserves respect.” The owner served us from a slightly grimy, unlabeled bottle—it was either cheap hooch or the good stuff, the kind country folks make outside the commercial circuit. A guy invited us to his table, a musician who made us promise to come see him play the next day at a restaurant. Our drinks cost us 80 pesos!

We’ve been here for several days now and feel right at home. Wandering around this city is a real pleasure. But we’ve still got plenty to do—hay mucho pan que rebanar!—and at least one exceptional site left to visit: Monte Albán. We easily found the bus to get there, just around the corner from the Mercado Benito Juárez. The fare is 60 pesos round-trip per person. Monte Albán is just a few kilometers outside the city, perched on a hill you can see when heading to Zaachila or the airport. Entry is 75 pesos per person.

I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this before, but it’s worth saying: foreigners pay the exact same prices as Mexicans, which I think is worth noting. It’s a refreshing change from the inflated prices foreigners have to pay for visits in India or Thailand, and it’s made me appreciate Mexico even more!

For the introduction, I won’t bother reinventing the wheel—I’ll just paraphrase Wikipedia: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Albán "Monte Albán is a major archaeological site that reached its peak during the Zapotec period between 200 and 600 AD, though it was likely founded by the Olmec people. It’s located about 10 km from the city of Oaxaca de Juárez. This city was built on an artificially leveled surface atop a mountain, towering 400 meters above the valley floor (at an actual altitude of 1,941 meters)."

I could go on and on praising Mexico: there’s always high-quality information available at archaeological sites and museums. Check out the photo of the first sign at the site—it’s in three languages, please: Spanish, English, and what I think is Zapotec. With an overview of the site. You can’t do better than that. Among other things, we’re told this is the first major urban center known on the American continent—nothing less! Monte Albán is one of the few sites in the world that clearly demonstrates the development of a state and a system of government (you might think of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, but Angkor is much more recent). Perched on this hill, the system was based on tributes paid by the various agricultural communities in the Oaxaca valleys.

I think I’ve whetted your appetite. I’ll take a short break before continuing. Hasta luego, amigos!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – Monte Albán: The Site

The site strikes you with its almost geometric purity and the sense of space you feel there. It’s monumental yet remains light. We had the same impression at Teotihuacan, though we know it’s a different culture… But can we doubt there were influences in both directions? The two sites are roughly contemporary, spanning from the middle of the millennium before Christ to the end of the first millennium of the Christian era. We found Palenque more compact, though, constrained by dense jungle.

The central plaza of Monte Albán is perfectly flat. The Zapotecs clearly put in significant earthmoving efforts. The buildings are arranged all around as well as along a central axis in the middle of the plaza. The first photo shows pretty well what you see when coming from the north (that’s the official entrance). In the background on the left is the South Platform (PS). I took this photo as we were leaving, and visitors were starting to arrive, but even so, you can see the site is far from crowded. This isn’t Teotihuacan!

The second photo I took earlier from the top of the PS, so it’s a view to the north—no one around! On the east side of the PS, there’s still a beautiful stele featuring what I interpret as a warrior wearing an outlandish headdress. And smiling? That would be a first… The sculpture is somewhat heavy but far from unpleasant.

My third photo, taken from the top of the PS: it’s the building on the northwest side of the platform, where you’ll find the famous « Danzantes ». In the background, the Oaxaca Valley and the mountains. The next photo shows how Monte Albán stands magnificently in the middle of the valley and also how much greener it is than Teotihuacan. But less so than Palenque—further south, you’re in rainier zones. Obvious, my dear Watson!

It’s for this (relative) greenery and this atmospheric layout overlooking a stunning valley that I’d say, if pressed, it’s the site I preferred in Mexico (I’d also visited Uxmal in Yucatán ages ago). It’s certainly a remarkable site, one of the most beautiful I’ve seen.

The site’s importance is obvious, and not just for tourists or archaeologists! Coming down from the PS, we stumble upon a circle of people sitting cross-legged, chanting I don’t know what while swaying back and forth. They’re neither Indigenous nor mestizo—they’re either « güeros » or foreigners, which wouldn’t surprise me. Probably people seeking a spiritual experience in a « sacred place ».

The last photo is of one of the « danzantes ». These are a few bas-reliefs of « dancers », or at least that’s what we think they are, found at the base of the PS on its northwest side. Same remarks as for my « smiling warrior »—it’s not particularly fine sculpture.

I’ll leave you here for today. We spotted a café next to the museum at the site entrance, and we haven’t eaten anything this morning!

As I said, I really enjoyed this visit. Y too (she doesn’t talk much in my story—I should give her more space! 😉). She also loved the greenery and… the flowers!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – Monte Albán: The Museum

The café at the back of the museum has a pleasant terrace with a view of part of the valley below. We order coffee, which costs 150 pesos if I remember correctly. A bit pricey, but it’s the real deal—good coffee—and this isn’t the cheapest spot in town either. We really needed to stretch our legs after trekking through the ruins.

The museum isn’t huge and can easily be visited in half an hour if you’re in a hurry (though an hour is better). There are still quite a few interesting things to see. As always, the pottery catches my eye, just like everywhere else in the world. Pottery and textiles—have you noticed? It’s not just booze and churches!

The figure in the first photo is sporting one of those extravagant headdresses. Once again, it seems these indigenous cultures placed particular importance on hair and what they wore on top of it. And if I’m not mistaken, this was true for other cultures in the Americas too—at least, the Native Americans of North America were well known for it.

I can’t resist sharing the second photo—a rather grotesque figure that reminds me of Butt-Head, one of the stars of a popular American animated TV series from the ’90s. A character who added his own brand of slyness to the duo’s sheer stupidity with Beavis. 🙁😉 Just in case you don’t know what I’m talking about, I’ll throw in a picture of Butt-Head too—it’ll expand your cultural horizons, hahaha!

Among other things, the museum gives a description of Zapotec writing. We’re told it may have been the first writing system in Mesoamerica—a vast region stretching from northern Mexico to Costa Rica, encompassing Aztec, Mixtec, Olmec, Zapotec, Maya, and other cultures. Since there was certainly no writing further north and the Incas to the south didn’t have any either, this would make it the first writing system in the Americas. That’s no small feat! It hasn’t been fully deciphered, but it seems to have been a mix of pictograms, phonetic signs, and abstract symbols. There are parallels to be drawn—in terms of the development of writing—with Egypt or China.

Another interesting explanation concerns the importance the Zapotecs placed on astronomical observations and the development of calendars. This brings the Maya to mind. And weren’t these the same concerns found in all ancient civilizations—Sumer, Babylon, China, etc.? In the end, we’re all the same across the world.

At the museum entrance, you can also see examples of dental modifications from the Oaxaca valleys (it wasn’t just skulls they deformed). First photo: inlays on Mixtec teeth. Second photo: filed and grooved teeth from an unspecified culture. Ouch—just thinking about it makes me cringe, and I hate going to the dentist!

Let’s also mention this modern art exhibit—a ceramics project called *Metamorfosis* by Fernando Peguero from Santa Maria Atzompa. The pieces are striking, almost like jellyfish. And what about these two works by Lalo Martínez? A colorful skull smiles at passersby, and here’s an original flowerpot adorned with a string of skulls. Perfect gifts to bring back for Aunt Marie-Julie, right? 😉

Mexican artists never lack inspiration or imagination—their cultural heritage is extraordinarily rich… and quite psychologically complex, I’d say!

Like in all museums, there’s a gift shop next door selling all sorts of souvenirs and books. I never buy souvenirs there—if there’s anything nice, it’s always expensive. But books… I can’t help but browse, and I need something to read. I pick up *Una Realidad Aparte* by Carlos Castaneda. It’s the second book in his sensational series from the ’60s and ’70s about his initiatory experiences with the Indian sorcerers Don Juan and Don Genaro. Many people consider these experiences fictional, and I’m one of them. Still, it’s an entertaining read, and diving back into it—in Spanish this time—is also a kind of journey into the Mesoamerican imagination.

We return to Oaxaca in the early afternoon. We’re a little hungry, so we head to the Mercado nearby. I don’t know what the dish was called—probably a chocolate-based sauce—but it was delicious and exactly what I needed! 😛 The meal (for two) cost 150 pesos, and we washed it down with a good orange juice for 30 pesos. We still have hours to wander around Oaxaca, which isn’t unpleasant. Later in the afternoon, two margaritas set us back… 150 pesos, yep! 😉
AQ Aquilegia Globetrotter ·
We got back to Oaxaca in the early afternoon. We were a bit peckish, so we headed to the Mercado right nearby. I don’t know what the dish was called—some kind of sauce based on chocolate, probably—but it was delicious and just what I needed!

Hi there,

As I mentioned in another thread, the sauce in your photo is mole negro, made with chili peppers, and there’s a bit of chocolate among the ingredients. A good mole negro isn’t sweet—it’s actually a bit bitter, spicy, with a complex flavor thanks to a bunch of ingredients (including chili peppers, herbs, spices, nuts, chocolate, and seeds). The black color comes mostly from burning the chili seeds, not the chocolate.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
As I explained in another discussion, the sauce (in your photo), mole negro, is made from chili peppers—even though there’s a bit of chocolate among the ingredients. A good mole negro isn’t sweet but rather a bit bitter, spicy, with a complex flavor thanks to a bunch of ingredients (including chili peppers, herbs, spices, nuts, chocolate, and seeds). The black color comes mostly from the chili seeds that are burned, rather than the chocolate.

Ah, okay, thanks for the explanation. Indeed, the taste is never sweet but rather a bit bitter or tangy. Burning the chili seeds—that’s interesting.
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
Hi,

I’m really not a fan of mole negro… it seems to me that peppers, chocolate, and chicken just don’t go well together. You shouldn’t confuse 'exotic cuisine' with gastronomy… I must be really picky…! The only Mexican dish that wins me over is *rellenos*—whether it’s chicken, shrimp, or beef.
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AQ Aquilegia Globetrotter ·
Here’s a recipe (in Spanish) for Mole Negro de Oaxaca. Even if you don’t read Spanish, you can see that the preparation is pretty complicated with lots of ingredients. A key ingredient is the chilcahuatle pepper, which is almost impossible to find outside the state of Oaxaca. Mole Negro is the jewel of Oaxaca’s gastronomy.

https://lossaboresdemexico.com/receta-mole-negro-de-oaxaca/
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

I’m really not a fan of mole negro… it seems to me that chili peppers, chocolate, and chicken don’t go well together. We shouldn’t confuse ‘exotic cuisine’ with gastronomy… I must be pretty picky…! The only Mexican dish that wins over my taste buds is *rellenos*—whether with chicken, shrimp, or beef.

Hi Francis,

I’m not surprised by what you’re saying. Not confusing "exotic cuisine" with gastronomy—that’s spot on.

I’ve often shared how much I enjoyed the food we found in the regions we traveled through in Mexico, but we didn’t always find the food excellent either. Plus, it’s pretty repetitive. Sure, tortillas are way better than the arepas you constantly find on your plate in Colombia, but in my humble opinion, they’re not as satisfying as good bread or (to avoid being too Franco-French) the variety of chapatis, parathas, puris, etc., you find in India.

And the grated cheese they serve way too often on top of Mexican dishes? Not exactly a brilliant move either. As far as cheese goes, I’ll pass (I hated it).

Tastes and preferences vary, obviously, and everyone has their own experiences. Overall, I’d say you eat well in Mexico (and it’s cheap), but I didn’t find it lived up to the "haute gastronomy" hype you often read about in guidebooks.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Here’s a recipe (in Spanish) for Mole Negro de Oaxaca. Even if you don’t read Spanish, you can see that the preparation is quite complicated with lots of ingredients. A key ingredient is the chilcahuatle pepper, which is almost impossible to find outside the state of Oaxaca. Mole Negro is the jewel of Oaxaca’s gastronomy.

https://lossaboresdemexico.com/receta-mole-negro-de-oaxaca/

What a mix! Among other things: raisins (sultanas), oregano, cloves, cinnamon, avocado leaves, walnuts, almonds, peanuts, etc... plus, of course, chocolate and chili. There must be hundreds of personal recipes!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Food

Since we're on the topic of food, and chocolate in particular, we're definitely in the land of chocolate (a Nahuatl word "xoxolatl")! Cocoa beans are roasted in several small shops in Oaxaca, and the aroma fills the streets! I noticed they add spices, cinnamon, and maybe cloves? Many chocolate shops serve chocolate-based drinks. We treated ourselves to a large "chocomio" (if I remember the name correctly)—it’s this big cup filled with a creamy, refreshing chocolate drink. You just have to see the concentration on Y’s face while enjoying it—a true delight! 😛 (Apologies again for "hiding" their face). We had to make an effort not to have one every day, for fear of becoming "gorditos" like many Mexicans!

One thing I’ve always loved is "tamales": here’s one I got at Oaxaca’s central market. Amazing and filling (50 pesos). 😛 …. I also mentioned Colombia: the meat was excellent, but it was meat and nothing but meat every day? And the "arepas" were coming out of my ears. 🙁 Luckily, there was often a good "sopita" as a starter, and then (that’s why I’m mentioning it) some great "tamales" too.

Oh, and those famous margaritas on the Zócalo! I know someone who really knew how to enjoy them. Salud! Hips! 😎😛[;]

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