Converting a heavy-duty bus/coach/truck into a motorhome
by Patrick26
Translated into English.
Oh boy
I'd be really surprised if the DRIRE would let you get a PTRA when the red section says 'None'. In my opinion, you're stuck...😠
Hi.
I agree with fr159.
It looks like a tough spot for you with the DRIRE.
Regards.
It looks like a tough spot for you with the DRIRE.
Regards.
Eh ben, Ya du boulot!!
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You need to contact the manufacturer!
It's possible you could add a PTRA to your PTAC by modifying the rear axle or by having a brand garage make the modifications so your vehicle matches a different RTI than the one you have!....
Complicated but doable on certain models.
Check with a dealer of the brand. ... and prepare your savings, because the modification will necessarily have to be done by an agent of the brand because it affects the vehicle's structure!
PATRICK26
It's possible you could add a PTRA to your PTAC by modifying the rear axle or by having a brand garage make the modifications so your vehicle matches a different RTI than the one you have!....
Complicated but doable on certain models.
Check with a dealer of the brand. ... and prepare your savings, because the modification will necessarily have to be done by an agent of the brand because it affects the vehicle's structure!
PATRICK26
🙂 Hi Patrick26,
There's already a cross-member at the rear of my coach where the towing ring is attached, and it's fixed to the two chassis beams. Don't you think that this original setup would be sufficient to install a hitch to tow a car trailer (approx. 2,000kg)? I might be asking silly questions, but in my view the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked.
See you! 😉
There's already a cross-member at the rear of my coach where the towing ring is attached, and it's fixed to the two chassis beams. Don't you think that this original setup would be sufficient to install a hitch to tow a car trailer (approx. 2,000kg)? I might be asking silly questions, but in my view the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked.
See you! 😉
Hi,
for a 608 commercial vehicle with no towing capacity, I asked Mercedes commercial vehicles to give me the same towing capacity as the standard 608 models (specifying that I would register it as a commercial vehicle and would only tow a 1500kg trailer at the time), knowing there was apparently no modification needed other than adding a towing ball and electrical socket, Mercedes commercial vehicles, after checking compatibility (based on the serial number), told me OK, you need to go through our workshops, that will cost you 12,000 F (in 1999) because they needed to check the brake power.
Strangely, in 2000, they asked me for the same amount at Mercedes passenger vehicles for a complete towing kit for a 300 TD (I had one installed for 800 F at a competitor) 😉
In summary, the towing capacity must have already existed on the vehicle in question (due to first-registration requirements) otherwise it's a flat no (example: Heuliez buses on Iveco chassis—impossible to get towing capacity) Moreover, it's not the regulatory authority that can add towing capacity, only the manufacturer. And for towing equipment on a commercial vehicle, you need to go through a coachbuilder who will certify the towing kit. The junkyards around here refuse to sell used towing kits or used towing balls (my GX47 could tow 3.5T, but I never managed to find a used towing ball for it).
Strangely, in 2000, they asked me for the same amount at Mercedes passenger vehicles for a complete towing kit for a 300 TD (I had one installed for 800 F at a competitor) 😉
In summary, the towing capacity must have already existed on the vehicle in question (due to first-registration requirements) otherwise it's a flat no (example: Heuliez buses on Iveco chassis—impossible to get towing capacity) Moreover, it's not the regulatory authority that can add towing capacity, only the manufacturer. And for towing equipment on a commercial vehicle, you need to go through a coachbuilder who will certify the towing kit. The junkyards around here refuse to sell used towing kits or used towing balls (my GX47 could tow 3.5T, but I never managed to find a used towing ball for it).
GX47
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
FYI GX47, I'm in a similar situation with my DAF.
I have the RTI showing 3500 kg with trailer brakes 7000 kg with air brakes,
and no cross-bar!
After checking with DAF, all chassis in the 2100 series (mine included) were delivered like that, and DAF doesn't make a tow bar for this chassis!
So what do I do then?
Their answer was simple:
Like everyone else! Since it's already in your RTI, go right ahead and do it! And if you want it at chassis height, fit a cross-bar between the two side rails, and if you want a passenger-car tow ball, you mount a plate directly under the bumper with braces from the holes in the chassis cross-members. That's how it's designed. All our customers have done it this way, and no inspector has ever questioned whether the coupling was fitted before or after the red line!
So I'm going to do it! No other choice!
As for braking, if the trailer is properly set up, no problem...
PATRICK26
I have the RTI showing 3500 kg with trailer brakes 7000 kg with air brakes,
and no cross-bar!
After checking with DAF, all chassis in the 2100 series (mine included) were delivered like that, and DAF doesn't make a tow bar for this chassis!
So what do I do then?
Their answer was simple:
Like everyone else! Since it's already in your RTI, go right ahead and do it! And if you want it at chassis height, fit a cross-bar between the two side rails, and if you want a passenger-car tow ball, you mount a plate directly under the bumper with braces from the holes in the chassis cross-members. That's how it's designed. All our customers have done it this way, and no inspector has ever questioned whether the coupling was fitted before or after the red line!
So I'm going to do it! No other choice!
As for braking, if the trailer is properly set up, no problem...
PATRICK26
Hey, your advice is really valuable! Thanks. I'm about to insulate my Master T 35 following your tips. I just want to know what type of adhesive to use to attach it to the bodywork. I bought 7-layer insulation and I'm hoping that's enough for moderate summer/winter use—no extreme temperatures.
Thanks in advance for the glue recommendation!
BYE
Get an MS polymer resin-based adhesive sealant. You'll find affordable ones in pump cartridges at hardware stores. For your fingers, it cleans up with white spirit!
The advantage over neoprene is that you only apply it on one side, and it's compatible with everything (plastic included!)
PATRICK26
The advantage over neoprene is that you only apply it on one side, and it's compatible with everything (plastic included!)
PATRICK26
Hi Patrick 26, and thanks for the advice. I have one more question: I've got a big hole in the bodywork I need to patch, and I want to weld a piece of sheet metal using arc welding (that's all the equipment I have). A neighbor told me to disconnect the battery to avoid frying it, but won't I risk frying the alternator and the starter anyway when I'm using the bodywork as part of the welding circuit? I hope you have the answer. Thanks
BYE
Disconnect the 2 battery terminals and make sure your chassis is properly supported on its tires and that there's no scrap metal bar creating a ground connection with the chassis and everything will be fine. But the best way to fill a hole is with oxy-acetylene and filler metal! There you risk doing more harm than good. Be careful!
Check out my blog—with oxy-acetylene we re-welded a torn metal panel over 30 cm, perfect! Arc welding could never have done that!
PATRICK26
Check out my blog—with oxy-acetylene we re-welded a torn metal panel over 30 cm, perfect! Arc welding could never have done that!
PATRICK26
Hi,
So here's the thing – I'm passionate about horses and own a mare.
I'm looking to buy a light-duty truck (I don't have a heavy-duty license!) and convert it for two horses with a small bunk bed and sink area so I can travel comfortably without having to pay for a hotel room each time.
Can I do the conversion myself, or is that prohibited? Do I need to have it inspected? Is there a risk it won't pass? What do they check? How much does the inspection cost?
Thanks for your help!
Can I do the conversion myself, or is that prohibited? Do I need to have it inspected? Is there a risk it won't pass? What do they check? How much does the inspection cost?
Thanks for your help!
merci pour le conseil.
j'ai essayé la soudure a l'arc: au secours!!!! je passe a travers la carrosserie.De surcroit en enlevant le plancher en bois et en purgeant les coins de rouille j'ai decouvert de sacré trous: 15cm/15cm. Je vais voir si tu as laissé des conseils pour combler avec de la fibre de verre.
Merci pour les réponses et les bons tuyeaux. Ah j'ai pas la possibilité de souder autrement.
Bye
Bonjour!
Juste pour signaler cela: http://donnons.org/annonce.php?idAnnonce=1419
Il s'agit d'un bus à donner (donc à prendre!)... le gars m'a donné un peu plus d'infos: " C'est un véhicule éqipé en dortoir 9 places avec installatiion eau, sanitaire.A conforter.Il n'a pas roulé depuis au moins 4 ans et demande une révision des organes de sécurité bien que ceux-ci aient été vérifié il y a 4 ans.Le moteur changé a 2000 klm., les pneus sont neufs.Donné a l'origine à une association, elle n'en a pas eu l'utilité du tout.Il est garé dans un hangar, donc à l'abri.Carte grise de véhicule de collection il ne peut transporter de passagers sauf un plus le chauffeur et necessite un carnet à souche s'il se déplace au delà des départements limitrophes de son affectation.Encore disponible à cette heure.Année 1964.Il est apprété pour recevoir une peinture.Il est immatriculé. "
Par contre c'est un peu un cadeau empoisonné, dans le sens où étant en collection, il faudrait arriver à lui faire repasser les mines en VASP! (Gasp! ;) ) Néanmoins, il y a au pire certaines choses à en tirer! ;)
A bon entendeur! :)
Juste pour signaler cela: http://donnons.org/annonce.php?idAnnonce=1419
Il s'agit d'un bus à donner (donc à prendre!)... le gars m'a donné un peu plus d'infos: " C'est un véhicule éqipé en dortoir 9 places avec installatiion eau, sanitaire.A conforter.Il n'a pas roulé depuis au moins 4 ans et demande une révision des organes de sécurité bien que ceux-ci aient été vérifié il y a 4 ans.Le moteur changé a 2000 klm., les pneus sont neufs.Donné a l'origine à une association, elle n'en a pas eu l'utilité du tout.Il est garé dans un hangar, donc à l'abri.Carte grise de véhicule de collection il ne peut transporter de passagers sauf un plus le chauffeur et necessite un carnet à souche s'il se déplace au delà des départements limitrophes de son affectation.Encore disponible à cette heure.Année 1964.Il est apprété pour recevoir une peinture.Il est immatriculé. "
Par contre c'est un peu un cadeau empoisonné, dans le sens où étant en collection, il faudrait arriver à lui faire repasser les mines en VASP! (Gasp! ;) ) Néanmoins, il y a au pire certaines choses à en tirer! ;)
A bon entendeur! :)
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
Salut !
Ton message est un peu hors sujet, qd même !... Mais comme on n'est pas des brutes, je te réponds qd mm. Bien sûr que tu peux l'aménager toi-même, ton camion. Et bien sûr qu'il doit passer aux Mines, vu les transformations que tu veux faire. Et encore bien sûr qu'il y a un risque qu'il ne passe pas ! Pour qu'il passe, il faut respecter les normes en vigueur concernant ce type de véhicule (les Mines te diront de quel type il s'agit en fonction de l'aménagement prévu). Et là, CE QU'IL FAUT FAIRE, c'est acheter le recueil de normes AFNOR concernant ces véhicules, que tu trouveras auprès de tous les libraires. Il y a dans ce bouquin tous les points à respecter. Un passage aux Mines coûte dans les 90 euros, plus le contrôle technique, plus la pesée (pour les PL. pour les VL, je sais pas). Au fait, connais-tu le forum http://merco.aceboard.fr ? Je suis sûr que tu trouveras plein de réponses là-bas !
Piéton
Ton message est un peu hors sujet, qd même !... Mais comme on n'est pas des brutes, je te réponds qd mm. Bien sûr que tu peux l'aménager toi-même, ton camion. Et bien sûr qu'il doit passer aux Mines, vu les transformations que tu veux faire. Et encore bien sûr qu'il y a un risque qu'il ne passe pas ! Pour qu'il passe, il faut respecter les normes en vigueur concernant ce type de véhicule (les Mines te diront de quel type il s'agit en fonction de l'aménagement prévu). Et là, CE QU'IL FAUT FAIRE, c'est acheter le recueil de normes AFNOR concernant ces véhicules, que tu trouveras auprès de tous les libraires. Il y a dans ce bouquin tous les points à respecter. Un passage aux Mines coûte dans les 90 euros, plus le contrôle technique, plus la pesée (pour les PL. pour les VL, je sais pas). Au fait, connais-tu le forum http://merco.aceboard.fr ? Je suis sûr que tu trouveras plein de réponses là-bas !
Piéton
Bonjour à tous
Je ne suis pas certains que le guide AFNOR soit dans toutes les librairies🙂, mais bon c’est celui là qu’il faut….
Je vais donner les tarifs en vigueur dans mon département (59) - Contrôle norme 56200 Veritas : 252, 36 € - Limiteur de vitesse : 71, 45 € * - Contrôle Technique : 84, 06 € - DRIRE : 86, 90 €
Tous ces tarifs sont TTC
* En VASP nous ne sommes pas effectivement tenus de mettre un disque dans le chrono tachygraphe par conséquent nous ne sommes plus obligés de passer la visite de celui-ci. Par contre j'ai découvert que la visite annuelle du limiteur est obligatoire !! Quelqu’un a-t-il des infos pour y échapper ?
Je ne suis pas certains que le guide AFNOR soit dans toutes les librairies🙂, mais bon c’est celui là qu’il faut….
Je vais donner les tarifs en vigueur dans mon département (59) - Contrôle norme 56200 Veritas : 252, 36 € - Limiteur de vitesse : 71, 45 € * - Contrôle Technique : 84, 06 € - DRIRE : 86, 90 €
Tous ces tarifs sont TTC
* En VASP nous ne sommes pas effectivement tenus de mettre un disque dans le chrono tachygraphe par conséquent nous ne sommes plus obligés de passer la visite de celui-ci. Par contre j'ai découvert que la visite annuelle du limiteur est obligatoire !! Quelqu’un a-t-il des infos pour y échapper ?
Hi,
I'd like to know if the AFNOR guide sold on this link is the right book?
I'm from Lille and I'm planning to start my motorhome project in an FR1 as well, probably starting this summer.
Thanks for the answer.
AFNOR Guide: http://www.boutique.afnor.org/LIV7DetailLivre.aspx?&nivCtx=LIVZLIVZ1A10A201A206&ts=1866132&CLE_ART=FA092059
I'd like to know if the AFNOR guide sold on this link is the right book?
I'm from Lille and I'm planning to start my motorhome project in an FR1 as well, probably starting this summer.
Thanks for the answer.
AFNOR Guide: http://www.boutique.afnor.org/LIV7DetailLivre.aspx?&nivCtx=LIVZLIVZ1A10A201A206&ts=1866132&CLE_ART=FA092059
Autocar en motorhome = liberté d'espace et de vie !
Hey everyone!
Yes, that link leads to the right book, that's the one you need if you're aiming for the MotorHome category.
FR159: it's true that not all bookstores have it in stock, but it's also true that you can order it from any bookstore...
I'd like to get back to the discussion about the electrical system: should you ground the metal chassis of the bus or not? To the neutral of the 220V? To the negative of the 24V? Does it depend on the situation: presence of a converter, a heating unit, a charger...? If the standard, as written, is dangerous, how do you justify doing it differently? Mr Carriage RV, as a professional, what's your take on this?
Piéton
Yes, that link leads to the right book, that's the one you need if you're aiming for the MotorHome category.
FR159: it's true that not all bookstores have it in stock, but it's also true that you can order it from any bookstore...
I'd like to get back to the discussion about the electrical system: should you ground the metal chassis of the bus or not? To the neutral of the 220V? To the negative of the 24V? Does it depend on the situation: presence of a converter, a heating unit, a charger...? If the standard, as written, is dangerous, how do you justify doing it differently? Mr Carriage RV, as a professional, what's your take on this?
Piéton
Hey
Like Piéton told you, "yes" that's the one. Since you're from Lille, you can go get it directly from AFNOR which is just nearby in Marcq en Bareul. If you want, you can come check out mine, I'm 50 km from Lille
Catch you
Like Piéton told you, "yes" that's the one. Since you're from Lille, you can go get it directly from AFNOR which is just nearby in Marcq en Bareul. If you want, you can come check out mine, I'm 50 km from Lille
Catch you
I'm not going to argue about what some people (myself included) think is dangerous or stupid, with or without a generator—I'm going to stick to what the regulations say.
The 24 volt DC ground is and must be connected to the ground (it's done that way as standard). The 220 volt earth (not the neutral) must be connected to the ground.
Under these conditions, apart from using a generator, it's safe for the users—much less so for the equipment . On reflection.. the first one's still more important... no?
Under these conditions, apart from using a generator, it's safe for the users—much less so for the equipment . On reflection.. the first one's still more important... no?
Hi Apsaratosca, I'd say try getting a C-class license instead, because with a light commercial vehicle you're limited to 3.5T—and that's especially the issue. A C-class license will run you around €1500, but then you'll find it much easier to get a vehicle in good condition, because light vans often get beaten up and heavily overloaded, so their gearboxes and running gear end up pretty worn out.
The type of vehicle you want to convert is a "HOME-CAR" type (for the registration), which is different from converted camper vans. The best thing is to check with the DRIRE in Chambéry who knows this topic well (as MTM is in their area).
The conversion standards are certainly specific, maybe even simpler than for a regular camper van.
Otherwise, you'll find this type of vehicle used on sites that discuss horses, for example: www.acheval.net or www.chevalannonce.com or www.hippoplus.com, there are plenty of others... (see Google)
Worth reading: TRANSPORT_DES_EQUIDES.pdf and used vans
The conversion standards are certainly specific, maybe even simpler than for a regular camper van.
Otherwise, you'll find this type of vehicle used on sites that discuss horses, for example: www.acheval.net or www.chevalannonce.com or www.hippoplus.com, there are plenty of others... (see Google)
Worth reading: TRANSPORT_DES_EQUIDES.pdf and used vans
Alright, I'm going for it—I'll admit I've got this crazy obsession with a bus, and who else could I talk to about it besides here???
So I'm using this forum as a confessional, and I'm hoping to find a good ear, some solid feedback, and maybe a few tips.
Basically, I want a two-level restaurant-bar bus—let's go wild! 😛
So on the first level, a big accessible bar that opens like a pizza truck, and a kitchen with room to work / upstairs the dining room...
Is that even doable?
If yes, the problem is I only know about restaurants /
Getting the license, okay / but who could build this for me and what would the budget be?
thanks in advance 😉
So I'm using this forum as a confessional, and I'm hoping to find a good ear, some solid feedback, and maybe a few tips.
Basically, I want a two-level restaurant-bar bus—let's go wild! 😛
So on the first level, a big accessible bar that opens like a pizza truck, and a kitchen with room to work / upstairs the dining room...
Is that even doable?
If yes, the problem is I only know about restaurants /
Getting the license, okay / but who could build this for me and what would the budget be?
thanks in advance 😉
Hi!
What a great project! Very challenging, but very interesting! In principle, if you throw money at it, there's nothing that can't be done. So why not... As for regulations, you'll only need to follow the same rules as regular camper vans: there are indeed no standards for Public Buildings on Wheels (ERP), and even less so for restaurants... That said, camper van standards are pretty strict, so there's lots to play with in the design of a nice restaurant bar! To the point where I'd almost recommend a type that's not well-regarded here: the NSCP. If you're willing to drive with a tachograph, not take ferries or tunnels, and not drive on Sundays and public holidays, it'll give you more freedom for the fit-out, that's for sure. As for the budget, your best bet is to ask a professional converter, like Loïc from Carriage RV: you'll find his site a few pages back. Anyway, even if it takes you several years before you have this restaurant bus, don't get discouraged!
Piéton
What a great project! Very challenging, but very interesting! In principle, if you throw money at it, there's nothing that can't be done. So why not... As for regulations, you'll only need to follow the same rules as regular camper vans: there are indeed no standards for Public Buildings on Wheels (ERP), and even less so for restaurants... That said, camper van standards are pretty strict, so there's lots to play with in the design of a nice restaurant bar! To the point where I'd almost recommend a type that's not well-regarded here: the NSCP. If you're willing to drive with a tachograph, not take ferries or tunnels, and not drive on Sundays and public holidays, it'll give you more freedom for the fit-out, that's for sure. As for the budget, your best bet is to ask a professional converter, like Loïc from Carriage RV: you'll find his site a few pages back. Anyway, even if it takes you several years before you have this restaurant bus, don't get discouraged!
Piéton
Hey, where are you from? There are some restaurant coaches running in France—start by grabbing one and checking with the owners.
If you're in the west, there's one in Angers that's basic; there are two larger ones between Le Mans and La Flèche, but they're English buses that aren't road-approved. They were for sale at some point—one even had a terrace.
But honestly, with current regulations for a regular restaurant and what's coming up for the RTI, I don't see this being very simple...🤪
If you're in the west, there's one in Angers that's basic; there are two larger ones between Le Mans and La Flèche, but they're English buses that aren't road-approved. They were for sale at some point—one even had a terrace.
But honestly, with current regulations for a regular restaurant and what's coming up for the RTI, I don't see this being very simple...🤪
GX47
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
I'm in the south-east. I'd really like to set up a food truck... I already know the strict standards you need to follow for a restaurant, so that's not what bothers me. I just need to find someone who can design the project and price it out the same way I'd hire an architect for a house..
😛
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Hi Bebiben,
Loïc is at the top of page 118.
The tachograph, sometimes called the black box, is a device that records on a disc (modern versions are digital) the vehicle's instantaneous speed over time: it allows law enforcement to see whether the driver is respecting speed limits, mandatory rest periods, etc. It's mandatory for professionals, and costs a bit.
NSCP is a vehicle type, like Motorhome, Crane Truck, livestock carrier, etc. Indeed, when you reclassify a bus, it goes from the TCP category (public passenger transport) to the VASP category (vehicle with specific equipment), with a type—for example, MotorHome for camper vans. NSCP means Unspecified: it's the 'catch-all' type, that is, it groups together all the vehicles that couldn't be classified in the other types. And since it's such a vague definition, it doesn't have many rights.
You can read about it in pat's message, #794 (p. 34). It's a bit long, but it's clear. And it's not very nice for NSCPs, but if the restrictions and other inconveniences don't bother you, I say why not.
Piéton
Loïc is at the top of page 118.
The tachograph, sometimes called the black box, is a device that records on a disc (modern versions are digital) the vehicle's instantaneous speed over time: it allows law enforcement to see whether the driver is respecting speed limits, mandatory rest periods, etc. It's mandatory for professionals, and costs a bit.
NSCP is a vehicle type, like Motorhome, Crane Truck, livestock carrier, etc. Indeed, when you reclassify a bus, it goes from the TCP category (public passenger transport) to the VASP category (vehicle with specific equipment), with a type—for example, MotorHome for camper vans. NSCP means Unspecified: it's the 'catch-all' type, that is, it groups together all the vehicles that couldn't be classified in the other types. And since it's such a vague definition, it doesn't have many rights.
You can read about it in pat's message, #794 (p. 34). It's a bit long, but it's clear. And it's not very nice for NSCPs, but if the restrictions and other inconveniences don't bother you, I say why not.
Piéton
Hello, 🙂
I've got a family of 3 kids and I love having plenty of space to move around when we go on vacation. I'm looking to fit out my own coach/bus, and as a carpenter and interior designer by trade, the challenge doesn't scare me. Could you point me toward some sources for buying a double-decker bus/coach that's not too pricey? I'm looking in France or nearby Europe. 😊
Cheers,
Aurélien in Limousin 😛
Unlike what pieton says, I'd lean more towards a VASP MAG, which is designed for mobile shop trucks and lets you drive on Sundays and public holidays (to get to events and markets).
Search online for "mobile shop truck conversions" and you'll find plenty of conversion specialists to work with.
Like any food truck, you'll need to meet health and veritas certification requirements for your setup.
Totally doable.
Personally, I'd go for an extended-length bus rather than a double-decker (to avoid emergency exit issues and fit everywhere—the trailer wheels follow the same path as the rear axle of the front section, lower height, cheap to buy used, ability to park at an angle and set up an awning to create a patio, etc.).
I've got tons of wild ideas for events—that's what I do!
PATRICK26
Search online for "mobile shop truck conversions" and you'll find plenty of conversion specialists to work with.
Like any food truck, you'll need to meet health and veritas certification requirements for your setup.
Totally doable.
Personally, I'd go for an extended-length bus rather than a double-decker (to avoid emergency exit issues and fit everywhere—the trailer wheels follow the same path as the rear axle of the front section, lower height, cheap to buy used, ability to park at an angle and set up an awning to create a patio, etc.).
I've got tons of wild ideas for events—that's what I do!
PATRICK26
If you've taken the time to read this forum—at least between the lines—you should've learned that to build a double-decker RV, all your family members need to be okay living in a space less than 1.70m high!
If you've taken the time to read this forum, you should've come across posts giving addresses for sales sites and brand dealership networks.
Finally, one last piece of info: everyone who's come to this forum over the past two years wanting to build a double-decker has ended up settling for a single-decker instead! 25 to 30 m² in a bus compared to 8 to 9 m² in a standard RV—the difference is already noticeable! Have you ever actually driven a double-decker (DD)? It's very particular! It drives great on motorways, but it's really rough on regular roads! Since you're often sitting low, you constantly have to judge your vehicle's height for trees, houses, etc., driving half on the opposite lane, managing bridge heights that'll force you on crazy detours, knowing that many DDs are 13m long and that with heavy-duty RV certification you can't exceed 12m—the max length for a non-articulated truck.
Wind resistance is terrible too! It rocks a lot upstairs! While driving, you can't do much besides sit or lie down! The slightest movement is difficult.
Last point—watch your budget! A DD is always expensive, even old ones with high mileage!
As for the conversion, respecting certain standards will be the challenge! How do you route the mandatory hood vent through the roof if you put the kitchen on the ground floor, for example (going through the loft—simple enough)? And that's just one example of the regulations you have to follow.....
Knowing bus conversions well, I'm giving you a heads-up! No criticism—if you want to go for it, now you're warned!
Welcome among us, and keep us posted!
PATRICK26
PS: What region are you from?
If you've taken the time to read this forum, you should've come across posts giving addresses for sales sites and brand dealership networks.
Finally, one last piece of info: everyone who's come to this forum over the past two years wanting to build a double-decker has ended up settling for a single-decker instead! 25 to 30 m² in a bus compared to 8 to 9 m² in a standard RV—the difference is already noticeable! Have you ever actually driven a double-decker (DD)? It's very particular! It drives great on motorways, but it's really rough on regular roads! Since you're often sitting low, you constantly have to judge your vehicle's height for trees, houses, etc., driving half on the opposite lane, managing bridge heights that'll force you on crazy detours, knowing that many DDs are 13m long and that with heavy-duty RV certification you can't exceed 12m—the max length for a non-articulated truck.
Wind resistance is terrible too! It rocks a lot upstairs! While driving, you can't do much besides sit or lie down! The slightest movement is difficult.
Last point—watch your budget! A DD is always expensive, even old ones with high mileage!
As for the conversion, respecting certain standards will be the challenge! How do you route the mandatory hood vent through the roof if you put the kitchen on the ground floor, for example (going through the loft—simple enough)? And that's just one example of the regulations you have to follow.....
Knowing bus conversions well, I'm giving you a heads-up! No criticism—if you want to go for it, now you're warned!
Welcome among us, and keep us posted!
PATRICK26
PS: What region are you from?
or why not go with an extended two-story bus to settle the debate—check out the jumbocruiser in the article around the middle http://www.automag.be/...e.php3?id_article=31
and anyway, according to the DRIRE engineer I contacted, there's no requirement for a tachograph regardless of the VASP type (motorhome, homecar, NSPC, cargo truck, etc.), so you can drive on Sundays.
for the conversion, the tachograph needs to be functional during the DRIRE inspection visit, just as a check. after that, the biennial inspection is no longer required.
VASP NSPC = Not SPecCified. not necessarily a trash category, but it's a classification that lets you drive a bus with max 9 seats on a heavy-vehicle license without failing your tech inspection because you've moved the seating layout around (since you removed at least one seat from its original position). this lets you move it to work on your conversion (at a workshop, outside your place, relocate, insurance aligned with the classification...). watch out for the trap of having a completely empty bus—you could end up classified as a cargo van, which means you'd have to show up to tech inspections with it loaded to 2/3 of capacity.
and yes, if you're planning a restaurant setup, there are health and food-safety codes to follow. that might be a bit more involved than the NF 56200 standard for camper vans; check the AFNOR website to learn more.
as for the speed limiter, there's no need to verify it if it's part of the drivetrain configuration (like on the S53, for example). if it's another type, I'm not sure.
and anyway, according to the DRIRE engineer I contacted, there's no requirement for a tachograph regardless of the VASP type (motorhome, homecar, NSPC, cargo truck, etc.), so you can drive on Sundays.
for the conversion, the tachograph needs to be functional during the DRIRE inspection visit, just as a check. after that, the biennial inspection is no longer required.
VASP NSPC = Not SPecCified. not necessarily a trash category, but it's a classification that lets you drive a bus with max 9 seats on a heavy-vehicle license without failing your tech inspection because you've moved the seating layout around (since you removed at least one seat from its original position). this lets you move it to work on your conversion (at a workshop, outside your place, relocate, insurance aligned with the classification...). watch out for the trap of having a completely empty bus—you could end up classified as a cargo van, which means you'd have to show up to tech inspections with it loaded to 2/3 of capacity.
and yes, if you're planning a restaurant setup, there are health and food-safety codes to follow. that might be a bit more involved than the NF 56200 standard for camper vans; check the AFNOR website to learn more.
as for the speed limiter, there's no need to verify it if it's part of the drivetrain configuration (like on the S53, for example). if it's another type, I'm not sure.
Those double-decker buses are incredible!! I love them!!
It's clear that a bus like that can't go unnoticed!! In my opinion, no worries about publicity or customer base with machines like that!! All you need to do is go where there's a crowd! And if on top of that, commercially there's a real product and a real concept and real know-how...
But anyway, I got my first quote and that sobered me up; for a bar-restaurant bus you have to count on a minimum of €150,000 HT.. quite an ambitious project with this bus world that fascinates me certainly but that I'm unfamiliar with...
😛
It's clear that a bus like that can't go unnoticed!! In my opinion, no worries about publicity or customer base with machines like that!! All you need to do is go where there's a crowd! And if on top of that, commercially there's a real product and a real concept and real know-how...
But anyway, I got my first quote and that sobered me up; for a bar-restaurant bus you have to count on a minimum of €150,000 HT.. quite an ambitious project with this bus world that fascinates me certainly but that I'm unfamiliar with...
😛
Yeah... this bus is really getting to me!!
Where can you find one of these ultra-kitsch buses? An old secondhand model?
Is it possible to build some kind of deck or terrace on the roof, like what we saw with the French national football team's victory parades? Can the roof be strong enough to support a good amount of weight?
Thank you !
Where can you find one of these ultra-kitsch buses? An old secondhand model?
Is it possible to build some kind of deck or terrace on the roof, like what we saw with the French national football team's victory parades? Can the roof be strong enough to support a good amount of weight?
Thank you !
Hello!
For the terrace, a link from page 122: http://www.motorhomevip.com/
That's pretty cool! 😉
For the upper deck: same page: http://voyageforum.com/v.f/0042.jpg?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=30142;
That's a beautiful beast, isn't it? 😎
I'd also be into the upper deck... knowing that for me it's about making a mobile studio-display-workshop-office. Except I don't currently have the upfront investment, and that takes serious thought..... In the standard coaches I've seen so far, the best was a Vanhool/Volvo: central flat engine (boxer), good headroom, large storage compartments (especially at the rear)...
See you!
For the terrace, a link from page 122: http://www.motorhomevip.com/
That's pretty cool! 😉
For the upper deck: same page: http://voyageforum.com/v.f/0042.jpg?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=30142;
That's a beautiful beast, isn't it? 😎
I'd also be into the upper deck... knowing that for me it's about making a mobile studio-display-workshop-office. Except I don't currently have the upfront investment, and that takes serious thought..... In the standard coaches I've seen so far, the best was a Vanhool/Volvo: central flat engine (boxer), good headroom, large storage compartments (especially at the rear)...
See you!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
If you want, email me: Flodan59@aol.com
I've got photos of this vehicle that might interest you
I've got photos of this vehicle that might interest you
Hi!
FR159: Here's the official site to feast your eyes on it: http://www.derbus.de/. There are also technical specs, like for example fuel consumption: 46L...
Pat26: Pfft... Even on topics that never came up, you still manage to impress us with your knowledge... Anyway, I'm impressed. So, OK, VASP MAG for mobile businesses. As for health regulations, I don't know, but there are probably things to follow when you cook food and sell it, whether on wheels or not. However, when it comes to public reception, i.e. emergency exits based on the number of people, fire protections, disabled access, restrooms—there, no standards! (except the ones common sense dictates...)
Piéton
FR159: Here's the official site to feast your eyes on it: http://www.derbus.de/. There are also technical specs, like for example fuel consumption: 46L...
Pat26: Pfft... Even on topics that never came up, you still manage to impress us with your knowledge... Anyway, I'm impressed. So, OK, VASP MAG for mobile businesses. As for health regulations, I don't know, but there are probably things to follow when you cook food and sell it, whether on wheels or not. However, when it comes to public reception, i.e. emergency exits based on the number of people, fire protections, disabled access, restrooms—there, no standards! (except the ones common sense dictates...)
Piéton
With the internet, there's no guesswork! Just searches, bookmarks of good pages as you go along exploring and researching (for quite a while now!), and all that from, maybe, a bit longer than some folks....
For me, the internet has been a real blessing! At first, I was digging through books! The internet was only just getting started! You couldn't find anything on it yet! If you didn't know how to name a standard or trace decrees by their application or amendment dates, you were stuck!
Today, you type a document number, 56-201 for example, and it comes right up on the internet! No need to remember whether it's CE, NF, or whatever — it just comes up! Then you dig around a bit in the search results and you quickly find the most recent version if you've got a powerful search engine! Easy today!
Back in the day, for the same thing, you had to know beforehand whether it was in the French or European official journal, the date of the implementing decree, and the law or decree number! Easy, huh?! And we made do!
For example, for the text on motor-home homologation (no driver's door!), I had to dig through about 30 hours on the net and I found it! On paper, I would never have found it, not knowing where to look!
PATRICK26
For me, the internet has been a real blessing! At first, I was digging through books! The internet was only just getting started! You couldn't find anything on it yet! If you didn't know how to name a standard or trace decrees by their application or amendment dates, you were stuck!
Today, you type a document number, 56-201 for example, and it comes right up on the internet! No need to remember whether it's CE, NF, or whatever — it just comes up! Then you dig around a bit in the search results and you quickly find the most recent version if you've got a powerful search engine! Easy today!
Back in the day, for the same thing, you had to know beforehand whether it was in the French or European official journal, the date of the implementing decree, and the law or decree number! Easy, huh?! And we made do!
For example, for the text on motor-home homologation (no driver's door!), I had to dig through about 30 hours on the net and I found it! On paper, I would never have found it, not knowing where to look!
PATRICK26
Don't get your hopes up on that one, it's out of reach: over 300,000 euros!
On the other hand, check out this link, there's a German double-decker on a MAN chassis, already equipped with a kitchen (!) that's already set up as a traveling restaurant for 11,000 euros!
Plus, it's being sold by a garage that has the MAN brand sign (MAN-Servicepartner announced in the listing)!
Here's the link:
http://truckscout24.fr/search/fra/detail.asp?vehicletype_id=6&vehicle_id=8686697&make=0&mid=6&page=1&language=fra
If that doesn't work, on truckscout24.fr, choose buses, subcategory double-decker buses, there are only 2 pages, I can't do better!
PATRICK26
On the other hand, check out this link, there's a German double-decker on a MAN chassis, already equipped with a kitchen (!) that's already set up as a traveling restaurant for 11,000 euros!
Plus, it's being sold by a garage that has the MAN brand sign (MAN-Servicepartner announced in the listing)!
Here's the link:
http://truckscout24.fr/search/fra/detail.asp?vehicletype_id=6&vehicle_id=8686697&make=0&mid=6&page=1&language=fra
If that doesn't work, on truckscout24.fr, choose buses, subcategory double-decker buses, there are only 2 pages, I can't do better!
PATRICK26
Posting to announce some really bad news for me!
I just received an email confirming a fear I've had for some time...
As announced 3 months ago, I had a serious health problem that is now resolved.
I had an oligodendroglioma (to put it simply, a cyst), very poorly located because it was right in the middle of my brain!
We found out because I started having episodes of paresthesia in my right cheek, then my right hand, then my right leg. These episodes fall into the large family of epileptic seizures!
These seizures appeared in spring 2006 and disappeared at the same time as the cyst, on January 17, 2007, during the operation.
Great! you'll say! For the seizures and the cyst, YES!
but there's still a problem, and it's a big one!
In France, a disability law prevents you from driving a heavy vehicle for 3 years after your last known seizure! And the right to drive a heavy vehicle is only granted after appearing before a committee, which will panic over my case (fewer than 50 cases of oligodendrogliomas in France in the last 5 years, a disease classified as a rare genetic disorder), it's not certain that the committee will grant me that right! They can refuse it until ten years after the last known seizure (so January 17, 2017)!
It's therefore certain that I won't be able to drive my bus for the next 3 years, possibly even the next 10 years!
After several discussions with family and friends, the decision is unfortunately made! I'm finishing up this beautiful truck and... I'm letting it go!
Back to the family of standard camper vans, with a heavy heart...
I'm not going to keep it in a garage and go cry against it every weekend waiting to be able to drive it, and my dear wife doesn't feel up to getting a license to drive something so big. So we'll buy another large van instead.
Twenty years ago, people died from an oligodendroglioma, ten years ago, people survived it with terrible physical consequences (often stuck in a wheelchair), today, if the only consequence I have to endure is giving up my heavy goods licenses (I keep my motorcycle and car licenses), I'll manage to stomach it... but the pill is hard to swallow! Two words for you: it sucks!
I'll definitely keep hanging around this forum! It's not because they're going to prevent me from driving my truck that the passion will disappear! And besides, when they return my licenses, there's nothing left to do but start over... my wife really likes the K113s which are a bit too expensive these days. In a few years, who knows...
PATRICK26
I just received an email confirming a fear I've had for some time...
As announced 3 months ago, I had a serious health problem that is now resolved.
I had an oligodendroglioma (to put it simply, a cyst), very poorly located because it was right in the middle of my brain!
We found out because I started having episodes of paresthesia in my right cheek, then my right hand, then my right leg. These episodes fall into the large family of epileptic seizures!
These seizures appeared in spring 2006 and disappeared at the same time as the cyst, on January 17, 2007, during the operation.
Great! you'll say! For the seizures and the cyst, YES!
but there's still a problem, and it's a big one!
In France, a disability law prevents you from driving a heavy vehicle for 3 years after your last known seizure! And the right to drive a heavy vehicle is only granted after appearing before a committee, which will panic over my case (fewer than 50 cases of oligodendrogliomas in France in the last 5 years, a disease classified as a rare genetic disorder), it's not certain that the committee will grant me that right! They can refuse it until ten years after the last known seizure (so January 17, 2017)!
It's therefore certain that I won't be able to drive my bus for the next 3 years, possibly even the next 10 years!
After several discussions with family and friends, the decision is unfortunately made! I'm finishing up this beautiful truck and... I'm letting it go!
Back to the family of standard camper vans, with a heavy heart...
I'm not going to keep it in a garage and go cry against it every weekend waiting to be able to drive it, and my dear wife doesn't feel up to getting a license to drive something so big. So we'll buy another large van instead.
Twenty years ago, people died from an oligodendroglioma, ten years ago, people survived it with terrible physical consequences (often stuck in a wheelchair), today, if the only consequence I have to endure is giving up my heavy goods licenses (I keep my motorcycle and car licenses), I'll manage to stomach it... but the pill is hard to swallow! Two words for you: it sucks!
I'll definitely keep hanging around this forum! It's not because they're going to prevent me from driving my truck that the passion will disappear! And besides, when they return my licenses, there's nothing left to do but start over... my wife really likes the K113s which are a bit too expensive these days. In a few years, who knows...
PATRICK26
Patrick, even if this is a setback, it's just one more hurdle, which will make the project so rewarding when it's done!
Besides, you'll be able to drive it in 3 years, and I think that given how long you've been dreaming about it, bought it, and have been working on it, 3 years isn't that long.
My wife also thought getting a Category C license for a bus was daunting, and wasn't keen on it. But once behind the wheel, she realized it was just like driving a big car.
Plus, the commission is meeting to assess what risk you'd pose on the roads. Knowing that: once you've been treated, it's resolved (+ medical certificates confirming it). You're not a delivery driver spending your week in a truck, just an occasional driver.
I think your chances of getting your license back quickly are pretty good.
Hang in there!
Plus, the commission is meeting to assess what risk you'd pose on the roads. Knowing that: once you've been treated, it's resolved (+ medical certificates confirming it). You're not a delivery driver spending your week in a truck, just an occasional driver.
I think your chances of getting your license back quickly are pretty good.
Hang in there!
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
Hi everyone
First off, sorry to hear that Patrik, but don't give up—your project can't end there. You'll just need a bit more time. 😎
I've still got more questions to ask: 😊
_ Do you know where I can find technical reviews of the GX 47 or even for heavy-duty vehicles? (I reckon the engines should be roughly the same)
_ I'm going to install a gas bottle in the cabin, but according to the AFNOR guide the storage needs to be ventilated from outside. However, a Narbonne accessory technician told me that ventilation into the cabin would be sufficient, since it's a camping gas bottle less than 6L. Plus, he says a 1.5m flex hose is allowed, but according to the AFNOR guide again, the maximum is 75 cm. What do you think about that?
_ Do you know the minimum pressure (in bar) that a water pump needs to power a small water heater? And aren't there other pumps besides those from camper van accessory dealers?
_ Finally, do you know if heavy-duty fuel tanks have an internal partition?
That's all, even if it's already quite a lot. And once again, good luck to you Patrik.
First off, sorry to hear that Patrik, but don't give up—your project can't end there. You'll just need a bit more time. 😎
I've still got more questions to ask: 😊
_ Do you know where I can find technical reviews of the GX 47 or even for heavy-duty vehicles? (I reckon the engines should be roughly the same)
_ I'm going to install a gas bottle in the cabin, but according to the AFNOR guide the storage needs to be ventilated from outside. However, a Narbonne accessory technician told me that ventilation into the cabin would be sufficient, since it's a camping gas bottle less than 6L. Plus, he says a 1.5m flex hose is allowed, but according to the AFNOR guide again, the maximum is 75 cm. What do you think about that?
_ Do you know the minimum pressure (in bar) that a water pump needs to power a small water heater? And aren't there other pumps besides those from camper van accessory dealers?
_ Finally, do you know if heavy-duty fuel tanks have an internal partition?
That's all, even if it's already quite a lot. And once again, good luck to you Patrik.
Hello!
I also really like the K113, two axles for tolls, and two levels for space...
Hang in there! If you have to stop driving for a few years, you'll have the perfect opportunity to work on your K113 even more! If your wife thinks 'why not?', I'm sure the whole forum can support you both if needed! 😉
One thing is sure: the forum (us) will always need your knowledge and your updates! Even if the last one isn't "cool", we'll look forward to some great ones!
In any case: Hurry up! Take heart! Safe travels!
Warm regards.
I also really like the K113, two axles for tolls, and two levels for space...
Hang in there! If you have to stop driving for a few years, you'll have the perfect opportunity to work on your K113 even more! If your wife thinks 'why not?', I'm sure the whole forum can support you both if needed! 😉
One thing is sure: the forum (us) will always need your knowledge and your updates! Even if the last one isn't "cool", we'll look forward to some great ones!
In any case: Hurry up! Take heart! Safe travels!
Warm regards.
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
«[...]), it's not said that the commission will give me back this right! they can refuse me that»
It's not said either that the commission will take your right away, keep hope. The motorhome solution is a wise solution, I've already thought about it, I'm 48 and I don't have another 30 years to drive heavy vehicles. You've surely thought a lot to announce such a decision to us. But wait a little longer.
You know, as I've already said, the people at Veritas, MOT, or DRIRE aren't all idiots, and well, doctors aren't all idiots either. Let's consider that the MOT inspection or a visit to Veritas or DRIRE is the same as a medical visit. It's not because you have a small flaw that they're going to throw you away. I flagged my tanks with compartments of over 200 liters, the DRIRE guy noticed it and told me I should also change the original tanks (diesel). I also flagged the toilets, but no comment. On the other hand, he spent a lot of time on the seats, photographed them from every angle, and I must admit I really freaked out. I thought it was all over.
Today, Thursday May 10, 2007, I received the acceptance certificate for individual reception: (J) International category: M1 (J.1) National type: VASP (J.3) Body (national designation): CARAVAN
Right now I'm having a little celebration drink
And well, it's the same for you—it's not because you're not perfect that you won't have the right to drive a truck anymore. Besides, if you only let perfect people drive, there'd never be traffic jams, right😕.
Go all the way with your dream!
Warmly, Daniel
It's not said either that the commission will take your right away, keep hope. The motorhome solution is a wise solution, I've already thought about it, I'm 48 and I don't have another 30 years to drive heavy vehicles. You've surely thought a lot to announce such a decision to us. But wait a little longer.
You know, as I've already said, the people at Veritas, MOT, or DRIRE aren't all idiots, and well, doctors aren't all idiots either. Let's consider that the MOT inspection or a visit to Veritas or DRIRE is the same as a medical visit. It's not because you have a small flaw that they're going to throw you away. I flagged my tanks with compartments of over 200 liters, the DRIRE guy noticed it and told me I should also change the original tanks (diesel). I also flagged the toilets, but no comment. On the other hand, he spent a lot of time on the seats, photographed them from every angle, and I must admit I really freaked out. I thought it was all over.
Today, Thursday May 10, 2007, I received the acceptance certificate for individual reception: (J) International category: M1 (J.1) National type: VASP (J.3) Body (national designation): CARAVAN
Right now I'm having a little celebration drink
And well, it's the same for you—it's not because you're not perfect that you won't have the right to drive a truck anymore. Besides, if you only let perfect people drive, there'd never be traffic jams, right😕.
Go all the way with your dream!
Warmly, Daniel
🙁 What a bummer!
It's unbelievable – the person who created that post got more than one person to jump in and lose credit for their own work? As Calimero would say: "It's really too unfair!"
Honestly, I'm speechless – I can't even come up with a witty response.
It's unbelievable – the person who created that post got more than one person to jump in and lose credit for their own work? As Calimero would say: "It's really too unfair!"
Honestly, I'm speechless – I can't even come up with a witty response.
GX47
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
Hi Patrick,
I completely agree with Daniel (FR159), don't give up.
Great that your surgery was able to stop the seizures; but if I understood correctly, these seizures caused numbness in the touch sensation on the right side of your cheek, then your arm and leg—but did they cause disorderly and uncontrollable reactions of these limbs? Indeed, epilepsy causes brutal, violent, and disorderly movements of the limbs, and it's normal not to drive in that case, whether it's a car or a heavy vehicle—it's equally dangerous either way. But if, as I think, in your case it was only a loss of touch sensitivity, while you kept control of your limbs, you must emphasize this fact if you go before the commission.
You didn't do all this work for nothing, and I hope you'll benefit from it soon: don't give up 😉 Christian
P.S.: I found this about the law, but I think on the second part (HV) it's mainly for HVs used professionally http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnTexteDeJorf?numjo=EQUS0500620A check the PDF version at the bottom.
I completely agree with Daniel (FR159), don't give up.
Great that your surgery was able to stop the seizures; but if I understood correctly, these seizures caused numbness in the touch sensation on the right side of your cheek, then your arm and leg—but did they cause disorderly and uncontrollable reactions of these limbs? Indeed, epilepsy causes brutal, violent, and disorderly movements of the limbs, and it's normal not to drive in that case, whether it's a car or a heavy vehicle—it's equally dangerous either way. But if, as I think, in your case it was only a loss of touch sensitivity, while you kept control of your limbs, you must emphasize this fact if you go before the commission.
You didn't do all this work for nothing, and I hope you'll benefit from it soon: don't give up 😉 Christian
P.S.: I found this about the law, but I think on the second part (HV) it's mainly for HVs used professionally http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnTexteDeJorf?numjo=EQUS0500620A check the PDF version at the bottom.
CHRISTIAN
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
I never found one. For the engine, I bought an expensive vintage RT in great condition from a Savien SM6 mot. 797.
Otherwise, try to find the RT for a Renault/Savien JN1E24 atmo. or Renault S130 – that's the truck base for the GX47. But you'll need to check the swap meets. If I get hold of a dealer's address for you, I'll send it to you by PM.
For the flexible tube, the Standard does say 0.75m, but the inspector might accept more if you have a 6kg Butane bottle (I did say *might*...). But anyway, they'll note the length on the inspection report, and then it's up to the DRIRE inspector to judge.
Stick to the guide – otherwise you won't be able to argue your case if there's a dispute (except for the bottle: if it's Butane and less than 6kg, you can keep it in the cabin).
Otherwise, try to find the RT for a Renault/Savien JN1E24 atmo. or Renault S130 – that's the truck base for the GX47. But you'll need to check the swap meets. If I get hold of a dealer's address for you, I'll send it to you by PM.
For the flexible tube, the Standard does say 0.75m, but the inspector might accept more if you have a 6kg Butane bottle (I did say *might*...). But anyway, they'll note the length on the inspection report, and then it's up to the DRIRE inspector to judge.
Stick to the guide – otherwise you won't be able to argue your case if there's a dispute (except for the bottle: if it's Butane and less than 6kg, you can keep it in the cabin).
GX47
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
Hi Patrick, I agree with everyone, you'll need a doctor's opinion first. And then, the word 'exception' is a rule in our language, especially since your permit isn't for professional use... I think the internet can help you dig deeper into this approach...
Log in first, then come back to this page.
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I have a Renault Trafic, unfortunately black, and my cooler, battery, and BougeRV solar panel.
My battery is mainly used for my electric cooler.
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0CQ4LFVVR?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3
Thanks in advance! Nath
How do you manage to charge your battery using a solar panel while keeping your vehicle in the shade so it doesn’t turn into an oven?
I have a Renault Trafic, unfortunately black, and my cooler, battery, and BougeRV solar panel.
My battery is mainly used for my electric cooler.
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0CQ4LFVVR?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3
Thanks in advance! Nath
Hi everyone, I don’t think there’s already a thread on this topic,
we’re planning—two or three years from now (I know, it’s a ways off...)—a cross-Canada trip from east to west, meaning Montréal ====> Vancouver, and leaving the RV in Vancouver. First, we’ll spend a few days visiting Québec City, then pick up the RV in Montréal. The trip will likely be around 5 weeks, late August to early September. If you’ve got any route ideas, we’d love to hear them! Banff is probably a must-see stop for us. Thanks in advance!
Didier and Nicole
Hello,
Today is January 7th, Orthodox Christmas Day.
It’s the perfect occasion to share on VF a religious site that left a lasting impression on us.
For a long time, we’d admired photos of the Makaryevo Women’s Monastery on Russian websites. They’re always taken from cruise hydrofoils that, in season, depart from Nizhny Novgorod.
This gave us the idea for a crazy challenge: to visit the monastery during a river cruise, with our little plumber’s van that’s become the common thread of our travels!
This challenge seemed impossible to pull off.
The equation was indeed impossible to solve
1. Find a dock 2. Load the van onto a boat 3. Cross the Volga 4. Arrive at sunset 5. Sail past the monastery 6. All with no reliable information. NONE!
Incredibly, every obstacle fell into place one after another! Gifting us unforgettable moments.
The photos follow our exact journey.
1. We arrive on the southern bank of the Volga, searching for a ferry to Makaryevo. First attempt, first failure—we’re way too far east. We find a second ferry, but it serves a different town on the northern bank.

2. We keep going and meet some fishermen. But even they don’t know where to board a vehicle for the monastery.

3. After several fruitless searches, a young man who speaks a few words of English points us to a dock where, in summer, boats *might* serve the monastery. Miraculously, at the end of a rough track, we find an old ferry moored. But no one’s on board, and a chain blocks the entrance.
After an hour of waiting, a worker arrives and tells us they *will* cross the Volga tonight,
but the exit ramp at Makaryevo isn’t accessible for our vehicle.
The captain joins him, and seeing our disappointed faces, they confer, discuss,
and load some planks to raise the ramp!
Another miracle!
4. We board, with just one passenger accompanying us— the Trafic is the only vehicle on board.

5. The crossing was magical. And longer than expected, since the Volga here is several kilometers wide, and we’re navigating between countless islands!

6. Under a sky that gradually clears, we discover there are homes on the river— invisible from the banks—that form small communities where people get around by boat!

7. Then, suddenly, around a bend in the channel, the monastery appears in the distance on the northern bank.

8. At the exact moment our boat rounds the buoy and nears the monastery, the sun breaks through the clouds!

9. A breathtaking sight, with our boat gliding along the monastery walls in absolute silence.

10. The sky, now a deep blue, makes the vibrant colors of the onion domes pop.

11. We sail slowly past the monastery under extraordinary light— something our little compact camera can’t fully capture.

12. As promised, the captain and his crew adjust the exit ramp. You can’t tell from the photo, but even with the planks, it was a close call— the van’s chassis barely cleared the ramp. We thanked them warmly.

13. By the end of the day, the monastery is, of course, closed. But another miracle happens! It turns out the passenger who crossed with us is the mayor’s wife. When Sylvie told her we were from France, she called her husband, who immediately contacted the Mother Superior. Like in a dream, the monastery opens just for us. A nun and a guard come to meet us and take us through the chapels and gardens!

14. A visit all the more intimate since only the silent nuns, deep in prayer, are present in these sacred spaces.

15. After dinner in our little van, we enjoy the exceptional light illuminating the now-closed monastery. We’re the only visitors, and the site feels like a massive ship anchored on the Volga.

16. The setting sun now bathes the monastery walls in gorgeous pink hues!

17. Gradually, the legendary Volga itself takes on magical colors! For the night, I’ll just back the van up to level it. It’ll take us a while to fall asleep after such intense moments.

18. Just as inexplicably, the magic continues the next morning! Seeing I’m struggling with my knee, the guard lets us drive slowly along the monastery’s perimeter path. So there we are at dawn, solitary wanderers between the Volga and the monastery walls.

19. The morning light now illuminates the monastery’s eastern façade, which we hadn’t admired yesterday. An exceptional moment.

20. Even more impressive when we realize we’re on the nuns’ prayer path. We cross paths with them—tall, silent, black-clad figures, fully covered.

We leave Makaryevo with regret, following the Volga toward Kostroma on the Golden Ring. That’s about all there is to add.
We’ve already taken three long trips through Russia in our little van. The travel journals are shared in the link in our signature.
Best regards, Sylvie & Bernard
Today is January 7th, Orthodox Christmas Day.
It’s the perfect occasion to share on VF a religious site that left a lasting impression on us.
For a long time, we’d admired photos of the Makaryevo Women’s Monastery on Russian websites. They’re always taken from cruise hydrofoils that, in season, depart from Nizhny Novgorod.
This gave us the idea for a crazy challenge: to visit the monastery during a river cruise, with our little plumber’s van that’s become the common thread of our travels!
This challenge seemed impossible to pull off.
The equation was indeed impossible to solve
1. Find a dock 2. Load the van onto a boat 3. Cross the Volga 4. Arrive at sunset 5. Sail past the monastery 6. All with no reliable information. NONE!
Incredibly, every obstacle fell into place one after another! Gifting us unforgettable moments.
The photos follow our exact journey.
1. We arrive on the southern bank of the Volga, searching for a ferry to Makaryevo. First attempt, first failure—we’re way too far east. We find a second ferry, but it serves a different town on the northern bank.

2. We keep going and meet some fishermen. But even they don’t know where to board a vehicle for the monastery.

3. After several fruitless searches, a young man who speaks a few words of English points us to a dock where, in summer, boats *might* serve the monastery. Miraculously, at the end of a rough track, we find an old ferry moored. But no one’s on board, and a chain blocks the entrance.
After an hour of waiting, a worker arrives and tells us they *will* cross the Volga tonight,
but the exit ramp at Makaryevo isn’t accessible for our vehicle.
The captain joins him, and seeing our disappointed faces, they confer, discuss,
and load some planks to raise the ramp!Another miracle!
4. We board, with just one passenger accompanying us— the Trafic is the only vehicle on board.

5. The crossing was magical. And longer than expected, since the Volga here is several kilometers wide, and we’re navigating between countless islands!

6. Under a sky that gradually clears, we discover there are homes on the river— invisible from the banks—that form small communities where people get around by boat!

7. Then, suddenly, around a bend in the channel, the monastery appears in the distance on the northern bank.

8. At the exact moment our boat rounds the buoy and nears the monastery, the sun breaks through the clouds!

9. A breathtaking sight, with our boat gliding along the monastery walls in absolute silence.

10. The sky, now a deep blue, makes the vibrant colors of the onion domes pop.

11. We sail slowly past the monastery under extraordinary light— something our little compact camera can’t fully capture.

12. As promised, the captain and his crew adjust the exit ramp. You can’t tell from the photo, but even with the planks, it was a close call— the van’s chassis barely cleared the ramp. We thanked them warmly.

13. By the end of the day, the monastery is, of course, closed. But another miracle happens! It turns out the passenger who crossed with us is the mayor’s wife. When Sylvie told her we were from France, she called her husband, who immediately contacted the Mother Superior. Like in a dream, the monastery opens just for us. A nun and a guard come to meet us and take us through the chapels and gardens!

14. A visit all the more intimate since only the silent nuns, deep in prayer, are present in these sacred spaces.

15. After dinner in our little van, we enjoy the exceptional light illuminating the now-closed monastery. We’re the only visitors, and the site feels like a massive ship anchored on the Volga.

16. The setting sun now bathes the monastery walls in gorgeous pink hues!

17. Gradually, the legendary Volga itself takes on magical colors! For the night, I’ll just back the van up to level it. It’ll take us a while to fall asleep after such intense moments.

18. Just as inexplicably, the magic continues the next morning! Seeing I’m struggling with my knee, the guard lets us drive slowly along the monastery’s perimeter path. So there we are at dawn, solitary wanderers between the Volga and the monastery walls.

19. The morning light now illuminates the monastery’s eastern façade, which we hadn’t admired yesterday. An exceptional moment.

20. Even more impressive when we realize we’re on the nuns’ prayer path. We cross paths with them—tall, silent, black-clad figures, fully covered.

We leave Makaryevo with regret, following the Volga toward Kostroma on the Golden Ring. That’s about all there is to add.
We’ve already taken three long trips through Russia in our little van. The travel journals are shared in the link in our signature.
Best regards, Sylvie & Bernard
"Hey fellow road-trippers! 🚐🔥
After 4 years on the road, I’ve noticed something simple: we’re all looking for the same things. Authentic welcomes, great local eateries, and stops that don’t feel like supermarket parking lots.
But it’s always bugged me to see small producers or local guesthouses getting their margins eaten up by big booking platforms.
That’s why I created TerraNomad.
The concept is straightforward:
The pro (farmer, restaurant, small campsite, guesthouse) pays no commission to be on our map. In return, they offer a special welcome or discount to members.
It’s direct, local, and human. We’re starting in France, then heading together toward Morocco, Spain, and Portugal. Quick question: Does this kind of "no-middleman" network speak to you? I’m opening the first 100 Founding Member spots this Friday night (special launch price at 12 € for the year—just 1 € per month). Can’t wait to read your thoughts and see if you’d be up for this adventure! 🌍✋"
The pro (farmer, restaurant, small campsite, guesthouse) pays no commission to be on our map. In return, they offer a special welcome or discount to members.
It’s direct, local, and human. We’re starting in France, then heading together toward Morocco, Spain, and Portugal. Quick question: Does this kind of "no-middleman" network speak to you? I’m opening the first 100 Founding Member spots this Friday night (special launch price at 12 € for the year—just 1 € per month). Can’t wait to read your thoughts and see if you’d be up for this adventure! 🌍✋"
Is it complicated to rent a car and drive in Morocco? Also, is an international driver’s permit mandatory? Thanks
hi
where can you park a camper van in Trieste to sightsee and sleep?
thanks
Hi there,
Does anyone have a good agency recommendation for renting a camper van in Morocco (Marrakech or Essaouira) for about two weeks in March 2026?
Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four—two adults with two kids aged 4 and 7—about to embark on a year-long round-the-world trip in a camper van. I’m currently planning the Asia leg, which should last about 6 months. We’ll arrive in Thailand in January, head north, then move on to Laos. Ideally, we’d continue to Vietnam, Cambodia, and then return to Thailand to head south into Malaysia. If the budget allows, we’d love to include China and Japan. The big question after lots of research is: how easy is it to temporarily import a vehicle into these countries? The info I’ve found is outdated (2019–2020), and given how quickly regulations change, I’d love to hear from anyone currently (or recently) traveling in these countries with their vehicle. I’ve read that you need a local guide in Vietnam, local license plates in China, and that importing a vehicle into China is quite complicated—are these rules still in place? More generally, is there a recommended route for this part of the world with a camper van?
Thanks in advance!
We’re a family of four—two adults with two kids aged 4 and 7—about to embark on a year-long round-the-world trip in a camper van. I’m currently planning the Asia leg, which should last about 6 months. We’ll arrive in Thailand in January, head north, then move on to Laos. Ideally, we’d continue to Vietnam, Cambodia, and then return to Thailand to head south into Malaysia. If the budget allows, we’d love to include China and Japan. The big question after lots of research is: how easy is it to temporarily import a vehicle into these countries? The info I’ve found is outdated (2019–2020), and given how quickly regulations change, I’d love to hear from anyone currently (or recently) traveling in these countries with their vehicle. I’ve read that you need a local guide in Vietnam, local license plates in China, and that importing a vehicle into China is quite complicated—are these rules still in place? More generally, is there a recommended route for this part of the world with a camper van?
Thanks in advance!
hello fellow travelers
For my golden years, I'd like to drive to India in my 508. I want to avoid Iran and Pakistan. Instead, I’m thinking of going through Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, then taking the ferry from Baku to Türkmenbaşy in Turkmenistan, followed by the Silk Road through Central Asia—Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.
After that, China? I’ve seen that some travelers manage to drive through China with their own vehicle... Then Tibet, Nepal, and India... But things get tricky with the Himalayan crossing. I’ve checked on Google—it looks tough.
Any tips or info on these routes? Thanks
After that, China? I’ve seen that some travelers manage to drive through China with their own vehicle... Then Tibet, Nepal, and India... But things get tricky with the Himalayan crossing. I’ve checked on Google—it looks tough.
Any tips or info on these routes? Thanks
Hi,
It seems that vans and campervans aren't allowed on Hurtigruten ferries?
We have a California van with a bike rack—length: 5.70 m / height: 2.20 m / width: 1.95 m.
We'd like to take the ferry from Trondheim to the Lofoten Islands this coming September.
Thanks for sharing any info!
regions Brittany, Rhône-Alpes, and Massif Central (Auvergne Limousin)
Hi fellow travelers,
We’re planning our first trip to Iceland.
We’re considering renting a 4x4 where we could sleep from time to time.
My question is: What’s the current regulation in Iceland? Which areas allow sleeping in your vehicle, and where is it prohibited (requiring you to stay in campgrounds)?
In June, is it possible to find spots without having booked in advance?
Sergio
Hi there,
We’re traveling in our camper van from Haute-Savoie.
We’ve got 2 weeks in April and want to explore northern Portugal.
We’re thinking of:
- Peneda-Gerês National Park - the Douro Valley - Porto
We love nature, hiking, and culture (and also good food and wine).😉
Do you have an itinerary to suggest?
Thanks in advance for your replies
We’re traveling in our camper van from Haute-Savoie.
We’ve got 2 weeks in April and want to explore northern Portugal.
We’re thinking of:
- Peneda-Gerês National Park - the Douro Valley - Porto
We love nature, hiking, and culture (and also good food and wine).😉
Do you have an itinerary to suggest?
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there,
We're planning a full week in Iceland in April. Given the short timeframe to prepare, I’m asking for some help on the forum.
We’re considering renting a camper van to be more independent with our travel. - Is this really a good idea at this time of year due to weather conditions (cold nights, poor road conditions, etc.)? - Can we just "park" anywhere for the night to sleep, or do we absolutely have to go to a campsite? What are the approximate rates for a van with 2 people? Do we need to book in advance? - If this mode of transport is recommended, do you have any good places to rent one?
Iceland is still a big island with lots of points of interest, so I think it’ll be tough to see everything in 8 days. - Are there parts of the island we should prioritize in April? We like hiking (nothing too long—6 or 7 hours is out of the question) and unique landscapes. - Are some sites inaccessible at this time of year? - Is Reykjavik worth stopping for a day or two?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Jeff
We're planning a full week in Iceland in April. Given the short timeframe to prepare, I’m asking for some help on the forum.
We’re considering renting a camper van to be more independent with our travel. - Is this really a good idea at this time of year due to weather conditions (cold nights, poor road conditions, etc.)? - Can we just "park" anywhere for the night to sleep, or do we absolutely have to go to a campsite? What are the approximate rates for a van with 2 people? Do we need to book in advance? - If this mode of transport is recommended, do you have any good places to rent one?
Iceland is still a big island with lots of points of interest, so I think it’ll be tough to see everything in 8 days. - Are there parts of the island we should prioritize in April? We like hiking (nothing too long—6 or 7 hours is out of the question) and unique landscapes. - Are some sites inaccessible at this time of year? - Is Reykjavik worth stopping for a day or two?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Jeff
Hi there,
Most of the time when I travel, I tow a trailer with an ATV for my local trips... I’d love to hear from anyone who’s traveled with a trailer and a second vehicle of any kind—especially the downsides of towing a trailer in Norway, aside from ferry costs.
Thanks!
Most of the time when I travel, I tow a trailer with an ATV for my local trips... I’d love to hear from anyone who’s traveled with a trailer and a second vehicle of any kind—especially the downsides of towing a trailer in Norway, aside from ferry costs.
Thanks!
hi,
I’m planning a trip to Albania in a camper van, most likely between May, June, and early July (2027), for about 60 days. On the way down, I’ll go as far as Bari (or Brindisi) and cross by ferry, and on the way back, I’ll go through the former Yugoslavia (or maybe take the return ferry?).
Has anyone been there recently? What are the roads like, the must-see spots, and any general tips you can share?
There’ll probably be two of us traveling together.
Thanks
Hi there,
During our last trip to Greece in 2021, we used Anek Lines' open deck offer, which allowed us to spend the night in our van on an open deck by the sea with access to the ferry's bars, restaurant, and showers (on the Ancona-Igoumenitsa route).
From my initial research, it seems this service no longer exists—can anyone confirm this?
Any alternatives?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to drive my camper van to southern Spain in autumn 2026. Ideally, I’d like to find a ferry leaving from France (Marseille or Toulon, doesn’t matter) that drops me off as far south in Spain as possible. I’ve done some research but haven’t had any luck.
Thanks for your tips!
Vanouk
We’d like to spend 15 days in August visiting Normandy by camper van, starting from Lyon.
Has anyone got an itinerary to suggest for exploring Normandy?
We’d like to go to Calvados to visit: Flower Coast, Honfleur, Cabourg, Deauville, D-Day landing beaches
Mont Saint-Michel
Alabaster Coast, Étretat cliffs, and maybe Rouen Fabienne
We’d like to go to Calvados to visit: Flower Coast, Honfleur, Cabourg, Deauville, D-Day landing beaches
Mont Saint-Michel
Alabaster Coast, Étretat cliffs, and maybe Rouen Fabienne
Hi there,
I have a bit of a crazy dream... I'd love to drop everything and hit the road with my wife and kids in a camper van.
I want to visit villages to learn, immerse ourselves in other cultures, and see different perspectives on the world. To teach my kids different values.
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a campervan road trip and would love some tips from those who know these countries: Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, and Slovenia again. At the moment, nothing’s set in stone, but for example, is it better to visit Slovenia or Bosnia? My preferences lean toward landscapes (rivers, sea, lakes)—basically anywhere there’s water! :) Wild camping, cheap or even free spots, and a *very* tight budget—it’s the discovery, curiosity, and meeting locals that drive me. I’ll visit cities and sites only if access is easy (by bike, for example, or by train from an affordable campsite) and if visitors aren’t treated like cash cows. Just reasonable stuff, really. So, any advice is welcome—like swimming spots or easy hikes along coasts or rivers. I love caves and offbeat visits (salt mines in Poland, La Roque Saint-Christophe in France, etc.). Castles and old ruins? Not really my thing... Thanks for your help! Sylvia
I’m planning a campervan road trip and would love some tips from those who know these countries: Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, and Slovenia again. At the moment, nothing’s set in stone, but for example, is it better to visit Slovenia or Bosnia? My preferences lean toward landscapes (rivers, sea, lakes)—basically anywhere there’s water! :) Wild camping, cheap or even free spots, and a *very* tight budget—it’s the discovery, curiosity, and meeting locals that drive me. I’ll visit cities and sites only if access is easy (by bike, for example, or by train from an affordable campsite) and if visitors aren’t treated like cash cows. Just reasonable stuff, really. So, any advice is welcome—like swimming spots or easy hikes along coasts or rivers. I love caves and offbeat visits (salt mines in Poland, La Roque Saint-Christophe in France, etc.). Castles and old ruins? Not really my thing... Thanks for your help! Sylvia
Hi, I’m planning to pick up a camper van in Dubai and drive it back to France... is this even possible? What’s the best route? What are the main challenges? Are there secure parking areas along the way? Is diesel fuel available for the whole trip? ... So many questions... Thanks for your help! See you soon!
I'm planning to drive to the UAE by road, going through Iraq. Has anyone done this and can give me some info? Specifically about the border crossings Turkey/Iraq and Iraq/Kuwait.
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on a trip to New Zealand in a campervan. Is it a good idea to mix hotels and a car on the North Island and a campervan on the South Island? Or should I do the whole trip in a campervan—though visiting big cities seems trickier that way.
Other questions: which companies do you recommend, and what are the least tiring or most sensible routes? 😄
Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas!
Hi there,
We’re planning to tour Scandinavia by camper van—Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway (in that order)—for 5 weeks from late May to late June 2026.
I’ve done it before, but that was way back in 1980 😎 and by hitchhiking!
We’d love to hear from anyone who’s done this trip about the best routes, great tips, must-know advice, and what to do or avoid (ferries, campsites, etc.).
Thanks in advance!
hi there,
We’re heading to southern England this summer in our camper van, including a stop in London.
Does anyone have a good experience with a campsite near London that has easy access to public transport to get into the city center? Ideally, we’d like to leave the camper van at the campsite...
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
We’re heading to southern England this summer in our camper van, including a stop in London.
Does anyone have a good experience with a campsite near London that has easy access to public transport to get into the city center? Ideally, we’d like to leave the camper van at the campsite...
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip with my camper van in autumn 2026 to head to southern Italy from Genoa by ferry.
Ideally, I’d like to leave from Genoa for southern Italy (like Messina) or another city in the boot.
I’ve done some research online but haven’t had any luck.
Can you help or give me some advice?
Thanks in advance!
Vanouk
Hi there, we’ll be in Portugal from March 9 to April 14, 2026. We’ve booked our first five days in Lisbon for sightseeing. After that, we’d like to rent a campervan (RV), but we’re having trouble finding a good site for the rental. The rental would be for about three weeks. Do you have any suggestions for us? We think it’s best to book the campervan before we arrive. And since we’re not mechanics, we need a vehicle in good condition...
Thanks so much for your suggestions. We’re open to everything—even route ideas and places to visit! Pierrette
Thanks so much for your suggestions. We’re open to everything—even route ideas and places to visit! Pierrette
