Why do we always think that "ELSEWHERE" is better than our own country?
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Totally!

To build on that, I’m in Madrid right now—this is my third stay in a city I really love (it’s hard to explain, it’s just a gut feeling; it’s not the most beautiful city in Spain or Europe, but I feel great here). If I could, I’d structure my life like this: several months in Madrid during the cooler months (from November to May) and then in Saint Petersburg, with trips in between...

Since I can’t stand either extreme heat (above 30°C/86°F, I feel awful) or cold, it’s tough to find a place I like *and* with a climate I can handle. I have some very specific "criteria" that mean my ideal city doesn’t exist, but splitting my time this way—with the money or job to go with it—I’d love that...

It’s not that it’s *better* than France; it’s that *I* feel better there. Not everything is rational—I’ve never felt attached to France... I’ve never felt like I belonged. That doesn’t mean I don’t like France (I’m clarifying because, in real life, I’ve been accused of that before, and it annoys me because it’s not related at all).
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CA Cambrousse Globetrotter ·
No, it’s not that there’s no connection—it’s that the connection is whatever we bring to it ourselves. It’s a very personal alchemy, feeling good somewhere.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
There you go!
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MI Mick013 Veteran ·
Hi there, It must be tough living in Paris; having lived there, I find that 27-28°C is more unbearable than 32-33°C in Provence (or anywhere with a Mediterranean climate). Besides, when it was hot, the ones who complained the most about the heat at my workplace were me—a Provençal—and the *pieds-noirs*.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I don’t live in Paris itself but in the suburbs, in a cool house—we’re several degrees cooler than in Paris. But yeah, I really struggle with the peak of summer. It’s either way too hot (over 35°C) or just gloomy...

That said, having lived in Provence until I was 23, I never enjoyed summer there either. During my childhood, at my parents’ place in the Provençal countryside, I spent every summer cooped up inside the house to stay cool, only going out in the evenings.

Same in Nice—it was even hotter in the apartment, so I couldn’t stand it... Too humid, too.
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MA Mariecric ·
Bravo and thank you, Philippe. You’ve analyzed the situation so well—it’s what makes us idealize the countries we travel through, even for months at a time. First, language can cut us off from their reality... and if we truly get close to the local people, the social inequalities are glaring, poverty is endemic, and beyond the warm smiles, there’s often sadness when you take the time to notice. But that humanity is wonderful, and I understand why the Western world finds comfort in it. I miss the wide-open spaces and those brothers and sisters from around the planet who were my motivation for traveling even more. It’s been 13 years since I’ve taken a single flight (I hadn’t overdone it before, traveling by land for months or even years at a time), and I’ve chosen bike trips—improvised, solo, with camping—that take me less far but still let me live beautiful adventures. Best, Michèle
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
and beyond the warm smiles, there’s often sadness when you take the time to look.

There’s no proof that the Thai or Indian person you pass on the street is actually sad—that’s a Western perspective. Western society is very materialistic and individualistic, unlike other societies that are built on family foundations. Plus, in Asia and Latin America, religion often gives life meaning.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Well, over the past few years, I’ve visited quite a bit of France (Brittany, Normandy, Hauts-de-France, Alsace, the Loire châteaux, and I regularly go back to see my beloved Nice). I actually really like the France of small towns. Big cities, not so much.

But since I’ve got a bit more budget now than before, I treat myself—especially with great restaurants!

Anyway, I love visiting France AND traveling abroad. The vibe is different, and you don’t see the same things!

Spain is always a great winter destination.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I ended up sticking to France because of Covid. But at the rate things are going, soon many countries will be better than our home country.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
What do you mean by that?

Actually, in France, we tend to do road trips. Before, it was complicated because cars were often at the end of their life...

Elsewhere, you have to rent a car, which is a bit of a hassle—we’ve never done it personally (I don’t drive, so in France, I travel with a chauffeur).
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LE Lecondor Veteran ·
Hi there, it’s been 8 years since I left France for a better life economically, and I don’t miss France much. When I go back from time to time, my friends tell me I’m lucky given everything that’s happening in the country.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
We're at the point where things are just getting worse non-stop. French people are pretty damn kind, though.

That said, in terms of safety, South America wouldn't have been my first choice either...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Hello, it's been 8 years since I left France for a better life economically, and I don't miss France much

It's because you have the privilege of receiving a pension from the French system... If you were working under a local contract, I’d give you less than a month in Peru before you’d be heading back to the nest at Roissy CDG airport. You know better than I do that the average Peruvian has two jobs just to survive? And when I say "job," most of the time it’s unskilled labor. So, would you like to see yourself working 10 hours a day, breaking your back in a copper mine?
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
We’re at the stage where it’s getting worse non-stop. The French are pretty damn nice.

the French spend all their time moaning, yeah... then can you tell me how the situation is deteriorating? I’d really like to know
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
then can you tell me how the situation is getting worse? I'd really like to know

At this point, there's nothing left to do for you 😐
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
At this point, there’s nothing left to do for you 😐

It’s not very classy of you to make me look like an idiot. I haven’t dared to so far, but whatever—let’s move on...
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Oh, but it's simply because you no longer live in France, right?
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi, even though I still live in France. But when it comes to the grass being greener elsewhere, it’s not just about the zeros in your bank account—it’s also about how you feel about things. Personally, I have a phobia of waste, so living in a country like India, where apparently there’s trash everywhere and unfortunately slums, would be really tough for me. Then there’s the fact that European lands are, by their very nature, lands of the middle—lands of contrasting colors, at least in a poetic sense.
CH Chnoupi Globetrotter ·
So true! And kudos for your patience... 😉
"Celui qui a atteint son but a manqué tout le reste"
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
good evening Chnoupi, thanks for appreciating my messages 🙂 Best regards
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Be patient and close your eyes—it’s ideal. I’m fine, everything’s fine, I’m fine...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Well, France isn’t so bad, even if it could be better.

That’s always what I tell myself when I get back from a trip.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Well, France isn’t so bad, even if it could be better. It’s always what I tell myself when I get back from a trip.

It’s funny—I haven’t had that kind of thought in such a long time. I still really struggle with coming home, sometimes even feeling a sense of humiliation.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Don’t go back then. 🙂
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
My dear Agnès,

Don’t come back then. 🙂

Thank you for your great advice, but I’m going home no matter what—to the land where I was born. No one can stop me from saying what I think about the risky turns it’s taken and followed. When the time comes, I’ll be old enough to die somewhere else.

Yours, And long live free Auvergne.

Michel
MA MaitairoaOff ·
"... it's not really South America I would've turned to..."

Given your obvious (and barely contained) sympathies, South America would actually make a wonderful welcoming land—Italy too, which was its cradle, after all!
sourire ...
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Keep a travel journal instead of lecturing all the veterans on the forum.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MA MaitairoaOff ·
It wouldn’t have what you call a "lesson" if there weren’t an overproduction of "angelic" material! !
sourire ...
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
It's an old one, but thankfully it's still relevant! !😉
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Auvergne free of what?

People of mixed origins like me? Okay, I must still have 0.01% Auvergne blood if I go back 12 generations...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
And that’s when I reread the original post and realize it’s pretty old.

The participant had felt a greater sense of lightness and freedom abroad. Well, first off, when you’re on vacation, you feel better than at home where you get up every day to go to work.

Then you feel freer in countries that are less organized, but try living there and you’ll discover the downsides.

Personal reasons keep me from doing what I consider ideal: from May to October in France, and the rest of the year abroad, in the sun...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
It's an old one, but luckily it's still up !😉

I held back from asking what his old username was and why he's an anarchist. Guess I've made some progress over the years...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Well, you’re deleting the Off😏
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Oh yeah, they really need to get married, with Attila!
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Auvergne free from what? From people of mixed origins like me? Okay, I must still have 0.01% Auvergnat blood if I go back 12 generations...

What we likely realize—or at least what I’ve realized through travel and the years—is that people live, if not happier, at least more at peace in countries with a simpler and more intuitive relationship to national identity than France. I felt this even more sharply during the COVID years, through the atmosphere, the discourse, the tone of the media, even the sound of voices on the radio.

In the vast majority of the world’s countries, the nation is defined by language, culture, blood, or borders: you know who you are, where you come from, where you’re going, and the question of whether to embrace or reject national identity doesn’t even arise. When blame is needed, you know who to point to; when suffering comes, you know why.

But in France, we have Rousseau and Ernest Renan, which means we don’t build a state from a nation—instead, we build a nation from a preexisting state, all while glorifying the daily renewal of a collective freedom that’s purely theoretical.

In Rousseau’s world, it’s perfect, even poetic—a great high school essay topic. But in today’s postcolonial, instant-communication, image-driven, consumerist world, it no longer works, and in my opinion, it never will again.

That an Auvergnat might embrace this ideal and transcend their origins is one thing, and I wouldn’t doubt it. But that a cosmopolitan, globalized population would find it fulfilling, or that individuals in control of their bodies, minds, and identities would be satisfied with it, is another.

This is why a Turk, a Hungarian, an Icelander, or a Scot structurally feels more at ease, more serene, and probably happier than a French person—and more factually free in daily life.

Faced with this obstacle, ideology hardens, values become rigid, and secularism loses its 1905 spirit, abandoning its liberal foundations to be turned into a religion of sorts. This shift has been glaringly obvious since 2005, and every analyst agrees—but the result is a country without clear values, polarized by pointless ideological battles, and where, whether you like it or not, people aren’t happy and don’t live well.

Michel
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
Strong westerly winds in Brittany today, right? (doesn’t thrill me 😎)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hey Jean Luc,

What’s bothering you?

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
That an Auvergnat woman subscribes to and transcends her origins in this ideal is one thing,

As I mentioned earlier, I’m hardly more Auvergnat than you are...

I live here now, but I’ve lived elsewhere before.

I’m a mix, and not necessarily French. 😉

A lack of mixing leads to racial purity, and that’s not exactly appealing...
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Lack of mixing leads to racial extinction, which isn’t exactly appealing...

In genetics, maybe, but genetics isn’t on a human timescale. To me, that’s a specious argument. That said, I’m just trying to explain why being French is tough, doesn’t make you happy, and makes you feel like you’re better off somewhere else.

Michel
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
I thought—but I must be wrong—that since the end of World War II, we no longer used the word "race" when talking about humans.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
End of the line is an expression. I could have written inbreeding.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Cultural non-mixing leads to the same result as genetic non-mixing...
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Cultural non-mixing leads to the same result as genetic non-mixing...

No, you're mixing up decades and millennia. There’s always cultural mixing, anyway, but the ideology of acculturation is something else entirely. France is filled with people who were forbidden their culture, forbidden to pass it on, all in the name of idealism—almost transcendence. Oh, I used to believe in that like everyone else; we love believing in beautiful idealistic stories. But now, at my age, with my experience—no. Besides, all that’s left of idealism is withdrawal, and with the current concept of secularism—an innovation of the 2000s—we’re far from it now.

Michel

PS: I’m explaining what I understand, answering the initial question, illustrating—but this is my experience and my point of view, about a complicated country.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Mixed-race folks like me?

Do you also descend from Neanderthals like many people on Earth? It seems we partly descend from both Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
France is populated by people who have been forbidden from embracing their culture, forbidden from passing it on, all in the name of idealism, almost transcendence.

Can you tell me who in France forbids people from having their culture? You don’t seem to understand what French society is really about...
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Can you tell me who in France forbids people from having their own culture? You don’t seem to understand what French society is...

Did I not understand what French society is? You’ve got to be joking, I guess. Or you just don’t have a broad view of the facts and things.

Michel
MA MaitairoaOff ·
Mixed-race like me?

Do you also descend from Neanderthals like many people on Earth? It seems we partly descend from Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.

... but some people descend even more from one than the other :( !
sourire ...
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Or you don’t have a broad view of the facts and things.

Sorry for being a bit provocative 😛 French society is best described by Marcel Gauchet, no doubt. That’s exactly why he talks about social division. What is French society, really? It’s class contempt, insularity… In short, don’t expect to be invited to dinner by Mr. Bernard Arnault anytime soon, etc. And it’s the same old social patterns repeating themselves in this society… Don’t tell me what I’m writing is just clichés about French society—class contempt and insularity—I’ve experienced it multiple times in the professional world. What I mean is, if you don’t have the right codes for the company and the social circle you work in, you won’t last long. In Anglo-Saxon companies, if you’re good and you work hard to hit your sales targets at the end of the month, you’re appreciated. Not in French companies. That’s why it’s often said that France is a highly centralized country where orders come from Paris. So if you didn’t go to the *grandes écoles*, the ENA, etc., you won’t go far in life—which explains the widespread feeling of social downgrading. That’s why populations with a regionalist fiber end up speaking out—maybe that’s what you meant in your previous message?
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
... but some don’t even descend more from one than the other 🙁 !

That’s exactly why I consider myself a primitive man 😉
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
That’s exactly why it’s commonly said that France is a highly centralized country where orders come from Paris. So if you haven’t attended the grandes écoles, ENA, etc., you won’t go far in life, which fuels the widespread feeling of social downgrading.

A sort of elective monarchy with a technocratic oligarchy—yeah, not wrong. I was talking about the state and the nation, even before these considerations.

Is it because populations with a regionalist fiber end up showing it—maybe that’s what you meant in your previous message?

There’s no such thing as a "regionalist fiber," just nations that are ignored and erased.

Michel

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