Frontières d'Europe et droit de douanes
by Meriadec17
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour a tous, je souhaiterais avoir des renseignements sur les tarifs pour faire passer une voiture par les frontieres suivantes : - Turquie/Grèce Grèce/Albanie Grèce/Macédoine Grèce/Bulgarie Albanie/Macédoine et l'inverse Macédoine/Bulgarie et l'inverse Macédoine/Serbie et l'inverse Serbie/Montenegro et l'inverse Montenegro/Serbie et l'nverse Serbie/Bosnie Herzégovine Montenegro/Bosnie Herzégovine Montenegro/Croatie Bosnie Herzégovine/Croatie Croatie/Slovénie Slovénie/Italie
Voila alors si vous savez n'hésitez pas a m'informer, si vous ne savez pas tant pis, mais merci kan meme de m'avoir lu, et enfin si vous savez ou je peux trouver ces informations(sites, telephones....) merci de me le dire!!
Bye
Bonsoir,
Comment ça, faire passer une voiture ?....
Michel
Comment ça, faire passer une voiture ?....
Michel
ben, je pars en avion en Turquie et g l'intention d'y acheter une voiture pour rentrer en France...
Bonsoir,
J'ai du mal à comprendre...
Tu veux juste une voiture pour faire le trajet retour jusqu'en france ? ou tu veux importer en france une voiture que tu vas acheter en turquie?
(je sais pas si ma question est claire...mais je pense -peut être que je me trompe- que suivant le cas les réponses ne seront pas les mêmes...)
sinon simple curiosité...tu t'es renseigné un peu pour savoir comment procéder niveau assurance?
Bonjour,
Je peux me permettre de demander quel est l'intérêt de la chose ? 🤪
Michel
Je peux me permettre de demander quel est l'intérêt de la chose ? 🤪
Michel
Bon alors, on va esayer d'etre plus clair, un ami est actuellement en Syrie, je m'envole le trois juillet et on veut rentrer en France en visitant un maximum de pays, pour cela nous avons deux choix, le train, ou la voiture, le train coute cher, la voiture moins cher. Nous projetons donc d'en acheter une en arrivant en Turquie pour faire le reste du voyage, il ne s'agit pas d'importer une voiture, mais juste de rouler avec, arrivée en France, elle sera probablement morte, donc a la casse.
Alors Tatra, étant donné que nous sommes sur un forum de voyages, je me disais que la question du pourquoi ne se posait meme pas non? sinon c'est que tu te trompes de site.
Voila, sinon je ne me suis pas posé encore la question des asurances mais je comptais aller voir mon asureur pour lui poser la question, mais si vous avez des infos a ce sujet, n'hésitez pas a me les communiquées, et sinon comme vous l'avez surement compris, c'est l'argent qui pose probleme, je voudrais donc connaitre les modalitées de passages aux différentes douanes des pays hors UE que j'ai cité plus haut, pour me faire une idée du cout du voyage.
J'espere que je n'ai pas manqué de clarté, dans le cas contraire n'hésitez pas a me le dire.
Bonjour,
Cela risque d'être compliqué. En plus, je doute de l'intérêt financier.
Michel
Cela risque d'être compliqué. En plus, je doute de l'intérêt financier.
Michel
Le fait que ce soit compliqué ne me fait pas peur, c'est justement le but du voyage, on veut de l'aventure, de l'imprevu, des difficultées, mais bon on prendra le train!
Le moins cher pourrait bien être l'avion.
Michel
Michel
Bon alors, on va esayer d'etre plus clair, un ami est actuellement en Syrie, je m'envole le trois juillet et on veut rentrer en France en visitant un maximum de pays, pour cela nous avons deux choix, le train, ou la voiture, le train coute cher, la voiture moins cher. Nous projetons donc d'en acheter une en arrivant en Turquie pour faire le reste du voyage, il ne s'agit pas d'importer une voiture, mais juste de rouler avec, arrivée en France, elle sera probablement morte, donc a la casse.
Alors Tatra, étant donné que nous sommes sur un forum de voyages, je me disais que la question du pourquoi ne se posait meme pas non? sinon c'est que tu te trompes de site.
Voila, sinon je ne me suis pas posé encore la question des asurances mais je comptais aller voir mon asureur pour lui poser la question, mais si vous avez des infos a ce sujet, n'hésitez pas a me les communiquées, et sinon comme vous l'avez surement compris, c'est l'argent qui pose probleme, je voudrais donc connaitre les modalitées de passages aux différentes douanes des pays hors UE que j'ai cité plus haut, pour me faire une idée du cout du voyage.
J'espere que je n'ai pas manqué de clarté, dans le cas contraire n'hésitez pas a me le dire.
Légende : en rouge : les dires de "meriadec17" en bleu : les miens
Bonsoir,
Bon alors, on va esayer d'etre plus clair, un ami est actuellement en Syrie, je m'envole le trois juillet et on veut rentrer en France en visitant un maximum de pays, pour cela nous avons deux choix, le train, ou la voiture, le train coute cher, la voiture moins cher. Nous projetons donc d'en acheter une en arrivant en Turquie pour faire le reste du voyage, il ne s'agit pas d'importer une voiture, mais juste de rouler avec, arrivée en France, elle sera probablement morte, donc a la casse.
je ne crois pas, comme l'ont dit certains, que le jeu en vaut la chandelle.
Appelle cela comme tu veux, mais c'est de l'importation, que tu mettes ta voiture à la casse ou que tu la conserves.
Si tu possèdes une voiture personnelle, tu ferais mieux de la mettre sur un bateau et d'aller rejoindre ton ami en Syrie. Ensuite tu fais le voyage avec lui.
Ici, on est sur un forum de voyages et ta demande est un peu particulière. Mais il suffisait simplement d'aller chez mon pote "google" et de taper dans la recherche "achat d'un véhicule à l'étranger" et tu aurais trouvé la solution. http://www.lescomparateurs.com/guide/acheter-voiture-etranger.html
aller consulter les chapitres suivants : 1) - Importation depuis un pays situé hors de la zone UE 2) - Autres formalités pour l'achat d'un véhicule à l'étranger
Je sais que les voitures sont moins onéreuses dans certains pays par rapport à la France, mais au vu des démarches et du prix que tu dois payer lorsque tu vas arriver en France, j'ai bien peur que tu aies quelques surprises. Et peut-être pas des bonnes, surtout que tu n'achètes pas ton véhicule dans un pays de l'UE. Car les taxes, dont la TVA, se paient en France et sur le taux français, soit 19, 6 %, que tu aies acheté ton véhicule en Syrie.
http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=29 http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=30
Que tu conserves le véhicule arrivé en France ou que tu le mettes à la casse, le problème reste le meme et les taxes sont les memes. Sinon ce serait trop facile et tout le monde ferait la meme chose.
Au vu de la complexité des démarches à effectuer, j'y regarderais bien avant de me lancer dans une telle "aventure". Faut vraiment aimer se compliquer la vie, mais bon, y'en a au moins pour tous les goûts. 🙂
Alors Tatra, étant donné que nous sommes sur un forum de voyages, je me disais que la question du pourquoi ne se posait meme pas non? sinon c'est que tu te trompes de site. Je ne sais pas qui se trompe de site, mais ce n'est sûrement pas Tatra. Si tu veux qu'on puisse te renseigner, faudrait que l'on ait des renseignements un peu plus précis, chose que Tatra te demandait. Par contre, c'est peut-être toi qui te trompe de site, car ici on est sur un forum de voyage, et non "d'achat de voitures à l'étranger" 😏
Voila, sinon je ne me suis pas posé encore la question des asurances mais je comptais aller voir mon asureur pour lui poser la question, mais si vous avez des infos a ce sujet, n'hésitez pas a me les communiquées, et sinon comme vous l'avez surement compris, c'est l'argent qui pose probleme, je voudrais donc connaitre les modalitées de passages aux différentes douanes des pays hors UE que j'ai cité plus haut, pour me faire une idée du cout du voyage. J'espere que je n'ai pas manqué de clarté, dans le cas contraire n'hésitez pas a me le dire.
Renseigne-toi bien au niveau des assurances, car à moins de bien connaitre ton assureur, en général, il te faut présenter la carte grise du véhicule au moment de l'assurance et un certificat de non-gage, papiers que tu n'auras que lorsque tu rentreras en France.
Bon courage, moi je rends mon tablier avant l'heure 😄
Cordialement
Légende : en rouge : les dires de "meriadec17" en bleu : les miens
Bonsoir,
Bon alors, on va esayer d'etre plus clair, un ami est actuellement en Syrie, je m'envole le trois juillet et on veut rentrer en France en visitant un maximum de pays, pour cela nous avons deux choix, le train, ou la voiture, le train coute cher, la voiture moins cher. Nous projetons donc d'en acheter une en arrivant en Turquie pour faire le reste du voyage, il ne s'agit pas d'importer une voiture, mais juste de rouler avec, arrivée en France, elle sera probablement morte, donc a la casse.
je ne crois pas, comme l'ont dit certains, que le jeu en vaut la chandelle.
Appelle cela comme tu veux, mais c'est de l'importation, que tu mettes ta voiture à la casse ou que tu la conserves.
Si tu possèdes une voiture personnelle, tu ferais mieux de la mettre sur un bateau et d'aller rejoindre ton ami en Syrie. Ensuite tu fais le voyage avec lui.
Ici, on est sur un forum de voyages et ta demande est un peu particulière. Mais il suffisait simplement d'aller chez mon pote "google" et de taper dans la recherche "achat d'un véhicule à l'étranger" et tu aurais trouvé la solution. http://www.lescomparateurs.com/guide/acheter-voiture-etranger.html
aller consulter les chapitres suivants : 1) - Importation depuis un pays situé hors de la zone UE 2) - Autres formalités pour l'achat d'un véhicule à l'étranger
Je sais que les voitures sont moins onéreuses dans certains pays par rapport à la France, mais au vu des démarches et du prix que tu dois payer lorsque tu vas arriver en France, j'ai bien peur que tu aies quelques surprises. Et peut-être pas des bonnes, surtout que tu n'achètes pas ton véhicule dans un pays de l'UE. Car les taxes, dont la TVA, se paient en France et sur le taux français, soit 19, 6 %, que tu aies acheté ton véhicule en Syrie.
http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=29 http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=30
Que tu conserves le véhicule arrivé en France ou que tu le mettes à la casse, le problème reste le meme et les taxes sont les memes. Sinon ce serait trop facile et tout le monde ferait la meme chose.
Au vu de la complexité des démarches à effectuer, j'y regarderais bien avant de me lancer dans une telle "aventure". Faut vraiment aimer se compliquer la vie, mais bon, y'en a au moins pour tous les goûts. 🙂
Alors Tatra, étant donné que nous sommes sur un forum de voyages, je me disais que la question du pourquoi ne se posait meme pas non? sinon c'est que tu te trompes de site. Je ne sais pas qui se trompe de site, mais ce n'est sûrement pas Tatra. Si tu veux qu'on puisse te renseigner, faudrait que l'on ait des renseignements un peu plus précis, chose que Tatra te demandait. Par contre, c'est peut-être toi qui te trompe de site, car ici on est sur un forum de voyage, et non "d'achat de voitures à l'étranger" 😏
Voila, sinon je ne me suis pas posé encore la question des asurances mais je comptais aller voir mon asureur pour lui poser la question, mais si vous avez des infos a ce sujet, n'hésitez pas a me les communiquées, et sinon comme vous l'avez surement compris, c'est l'argent qui pose probleme, je voudrais donc connaitre les modalitées de passages aux différentes douanes des pays hors UE que j'ai cité plus haut, pour me faire une idée du cout du voyage. J'espere que je n'ai pas manqué de clarté, dans le cas contraire n'hésitez pas a me le dire.
Renseigne-toi bien au niveau des assurances, car à moins de bien connaitre ton assureur, en général, il te faut présenter la carte grise du véhicule au moment de l'assurance et un certificat de non-gage, papiers que tu n'auras que lorsque tu rentreras en France.
Bon courage, moi je rends mon tablier avant l'heure 😄
Cordialement
Le cerf vidé
Je vous souhaite tout le bonheur du monde, tous ensemble.
2 infos pour toi:
1. ton assureur ne peut assurer cette voiture donc soit tu trouves un assureur turc soit tu en prend une a chaque frontiere...
2. les voitures, meme d'occasion et mauvais etat, sont cheres en turquie.
Et a ton budget de depart, n'oublie d'ajouter les frais de dedouannement en france qque soit son etat. 😏
2. les voitures, meme d'occasion et mauvais etat, sont cheres en turquie.
Et a ton budget de depart, n'oublie d'ajouter les frais de dedouannement en france qque soit son etat. 😏
Bonjour,
Oui, j'avais omis de préciser qu'acheter une voiture en Turquie était cher, plus cher qu'en France en tous cas.
Michel
Oui, j'avais omis de préciser qu'acheter une voiture en Turquie était cher, plus cher qu'en France en tous cas.
Michel
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I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
Hi,
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
Hi everyone,
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie