Se procurer des verres au Vietnam
by Thank
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Est- il avantageux d'apporter notre prescription et de se faire fabriquer des verres ajustés sur place.
Perso, j'ai besoin d'un foyer dégressif. Fabrique-t-on des verres de qualité au Vietnam? Si oui dans quelle ville?
Le prix est-il vraiment intéressant rapport qualité/prix?
Bonne journée
Fabrique-t-on des verres de qualité au Vietnam?
Les verres sont d'excellente qualité et le foyer dégressif également.
Le prix est sans aucune comparaison avec ce qui se fait en France.
J'ai payé dans les 25 euros, verre + monture + livraison à l'hôtel dans la demi-journée.
A Saigon, près du marché Ben Thanh, dans la rue Le Thanh Ton ou la rue Le Loi, on a le choix des boutiques.
Les verres sont d'excellente qualité et le foyer dégressif également.
Le prix est sans aucune comparaison avec ce qui se fait en France.
J'ai payé dans les 25 euros, verre + monture + livraison à l'hôtel dans la demi-journée.
A Saigon, près du marché Ben Thanh, dans la rue Le Thanh Ton ou la rue Le Loi, on a le choix des boutiques.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
bah ecoutes, dans ce cas tu donnes les verres a ton ophtalmo c'est pareil et tu verras
perso, en thailande, j'ai eu droit a des analyses gratuites sans obligation d'achat..
bref j'avais achete une paire de lunettes a saigon, j'ai eu qq soucis d'adaptation avec alors je les ai montre a des opticiens en thailande et en france (grand optical), on m'a demontre le "niveau de qualite" de ces verres...
pour info, en thailande, les opticiens ont les memes appareils de mesure que les ophtalmo, ils font des mesures gratuites sans forcer les gens a acheter
je suis alle a CentralWorld, je voulais verifier que ces mesures etaient fiables alors j'ai fait faire 3 analyses par 3 opticiens differents et pour voir si les resultats etaient les memes sur les mesures de mes yeux
perso, en thailande, j'ai eu droit a des analyses gratuites sans obligation d'achat..
bref j'avais achete une paire de lunettes a saigon, j'ai eu qq soucis d'adaptation avec alors je les ai montre a des opticiens en thailande et en france (grand optical), on m'a demontre le "niveau de qualite" de ces verres...
pour info, en thailande, les opticiens ont les memes appareils de mesure que les ophtalmo, ils font des mesures gratuites sans forcer les gens a acheter
je suis alle a CentralWorld, je voulais verifier que ces mesures etaient fiables alors j'ai fait faire 3 analyses par 3 opticiens differents et pour voir si les resultats etaient les memes sur les mesures de mes yeux
Faites-le, vous ne risquez pas grand chose, au prix où on vous les vendra!
Mais c'est comme partout, il y a des bons opticiens, et des moins bons. En Suisse, les opticiens qui pratiquent des prix exhorbitants disent de ne pas se fournir en France, la qualité étant nettement insuffisante. Que les opticiens Français disent que la qualité des verres achetés en Asie soit insuffisante, n'est pas surprenant!
Que ce soit à Hanoi ou à HCMC, on trouve des bons opticiens et au niveau prix, ça vaut vraiment la peine. Attention toutefois, toutes les adresses ne se valent pas ;-)
Que ce soit à Hanoi ou à HCMC, on trouve des bons opticiens et au niveau prix, ça vaut vraiment la peine. Attention toutefois, toutes les adresses ne se valent pas ;-)
"Share what you know, learn what you don't"
de toute facon, il n'existe qu'une poignee restreinte de fabricants de verre de qualite reconnue a travers le monde
a cote de cela, il y a toujours des fabricants chinois...
c'est un peu comme les medicaments au vietnam, quiconque se renseigne un minimum avant d'acheter verra vite s'il achete des contrefacons ou non...
un opticien fait la majorite de sa marge sur les montures, pas sur les verres
a cote de cela, il y a toujours des fabricants chinois...
c'est un peu comme les medicaments au vietnam, quiconque se renseigne un minimum avant d'acheter verra vite s'il achete des contrefacons ou non...
un opticien fait la majorite de sa marge sur les montures, pas sur les verres
c'est comme partout, il y a des bons opticiens, et des moins bons
Cela est vrai en France, quand un de mes patients se plaignent que les verres commandés ne sont pas bien adaptés à sa vue. L'opticien rejette l'erreur sur l'ophtalmo et l'ophtalmo rejette l'erreur sur l'opticien et mon patient subit les conséquences
Cela est vrai en France, quand un de mes patients se plaignent que les verres commandés ne sont pas bien adaptés à sa vue. L'opticien rejette l'erreur sur l'ophtalmo et l'ophtalmo rejette l'erreur sur l'opticien et mon patient subit les conséquences
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
a mon tour d'apporter mon temoignage personnel
j'ai fait fabriquer 2 paires de lunettes correctrices une myopie+dégressive et une autre pour la myopie simple parce qu'elle est solaire.
(copie d'ordonnace ramenée de France - re contrôle par l'opticienne avec sa machine qui valide la prescription)
centre de saigon : rue Tran hung dao
la degressive est parfaite la solaire me fait quasiment tourner de l'oeil après 5 min de port
80 euros en tout !
centre de saigon : rue Tran hung dao
la degressive est parfaite la solaire me fait quasiment tourner de l'oeil après 5 min de port
80 euros en tout !
c'est comme partout, il y a des bons opticiens, et des moins bons
Cela est vrai en France, quand un de mes patients se plaignent que les verres commandés ne sont pas bien adaptés à sa vue. L'opticien rejette l'erreur sur l'ophtalmo et l'ophtalmo rejette l'erreur sur l'opticien et mon patient subit les conséquences
sauf qu'au final, tu as une obligation de resultat
desormais meme si les opticiens francais jouent l'atout commercial de vouloir changer les verres en cas de mauvaise correction, apres tout, ils ne font qu'appliquer la loi
en france il y a des normes, tout est encadre par la loi et par des organismes
au vietnam, rien ne te peut te garantir la provenance et la qualite des verres certes tu fais une grosse economie mais pour quel risque ?
a ton avis, pourquoi tous les expats au vietnam font generalement faire leurs lunettes pendant qu'ils passent des vacances en france, en thailande ou a singapour?
les yeux, c'est la sante et s'il y a bien un domaine ou tu peux pas sacrifier la qualite pour le prix, c'est bien pour la sante...
Cela est vrai en France, quand un de mes patients se plaignent que les verres commandés ne sont pas bien adaptés à sa vue. L'opticien rejette l'erreur sur l'ophtalmo et l'ophtalmo rejette l'erreur sur l'opticien et mon patient subit les conséquences
sauf qu'au final, tu as une obligation de resultat
desormais meme si les opticiens francais jouent l'atout commercial de vouloir changer les verres en cas de mauvaise correction, apres tout, ils ne font qu'appliquer la loi
en france il y a des normes, tout est encadre par la loi et par des organismes
au vietnam, rien ne te peut te garantir la provenance et la qualite des verres certes tu fais une grosse economie mais pour quel risque ?
a ton avis, pourquoi tous les expats au vietnam font generalement faire leurs lunettes pendant qu'ils passent des vacances en france, en thailande ou a singapour?
les yeux, c'est la sante et s'il y a bien un domaine ou tu peux pas sacrifier la qualite pour le prix, c'est bien pour la sante...
a mon tour d'apporter mon temoignage personnel
j'ai fait fabriquer 2 paires de lunettes correctrices une myopie+dégressive et une autre pour la myopie simple parce qu'elle est solaire.
(copie d'ordonnace ramenée de France - re contrôle par l'opticienne avec sa machine qui valide la prescription)
centre de saigon : rue Tran hung dao
la degressive est parfaite la solaire me fait quasiment tourner de l'oeil après 5 min de port
80 euros en tout !
ca illustre mes propos
50% de reussite
je trouve que l'economie ne justifie pas qu'on abime ses yeux !!
c'est comme ceux qui vont faire de la chirurgie esthetique dans certains pays (la tunisie notamment) on economise beaucoup parfois y a rien a redire, et parfois, on paie cher le risque pris...
centre de saigon : rue Tran hung dao
la degressive est parfaite la solaire me fait quasiment tourner de l'oeil après 5 min de port
80 euros en tout !
ca illustre mes propos
50% de reussite
je trouve que l'economie ne justifie pas qu'on abime ses yeux !!
c'est comme ceux qui vont faire de la chirurgie esthetique dans certains pays (la tunisie notamment) on economise beaucoup parfois y a rien a redire, et parfois, on paie cher le risque pris...
je signale que je suis très content de ma paire de lunettes pour 80 euros
très bonne idée de délocalisation ? webmasters a vos claviers ....!
d'ailleurs je repars dnas pas longtemps et je prends que 25% en sus avis au interressés (message privé / copie d'ordonnance / chq : livraison au retour )
très bonne idée de délocalisation ? webmasters a vos claviers ....!
d'ailleurs je repars dnas pas longtemps et je prends que 25% en sus avis au interressés (message privé / copie d'ordonnance / chq : livraison au retour )
la solaire me fait quasiment tourner de l'oeil après 5 min de port
Tu peux refuser la marchandise et on te la change sans problème. D'ailleurs, on ne m'a demandé que 25 % de versement d'avance.
Tu peux refuser la marchandise et on te la change sans problème. D'ailleurs, on ne m'a demandé que 25 % de versement d'avance.
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
...
d'ailleurs je repars dnas pas longtemps et je prends que 25% en sus
avis au interressés (message privé / copie d'ordonnance / chq : livraison au retour )
tu te serais arrêté après " pas longtemps " ...c'était aussi bien et certains auraient déjà compris l'allusion quitte à te contacter en MP.
Je trouve le reste de trop 😠 et rien que pour cet étât d'esprit je ne te confierais pas mon ordo et préfère faire travailler quelqu'un d'autre quitte à ce que cela soit plus chère.
Toi tu te gauffres 25% au passage et t'assures le SAV au cas où... 😠
tu te serais arrêté après " pas longtemps " ...c'était aussi bien et certains auraient déjà compris l'allusion quitte à te contacter en MP.
Je trouve le reste de trop 😠 et rien que pour cet étât d'esprit je ne te confierais pas mon ordo et préfère faire travailler quelqu'un d'autre quitte à ce que cela soit plus chère.
Toi tu te gauffres 25% au passage et t'assures le SAV au cas où... 😠
Cela fait plusieurs fois que nous faisons faire nos lunettes au Vietnam (myopie pour notre fille, progressifs pour mon mari) lors de nos séjours là-bas et nous n'avons que de bonnes expériences. 🙂 Prix variant de 20 à 45 euros, selon les verres, montures comprises,
"Notre" opticien est à côté du marché Ba Chiu, à Saïgon. Il y a d'ailleurs une très jolie pagode à proximité dans le quartier.
J'avais signalé dans notre dernier album photos ramené du Vietnam, l'an dernier, cette opportunité de faire de jolies économies en matière d'optique lors de vos voyages :
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/miguel.angulo/vietnam_2007/source/2007-02-19-saigon998.htm
(vous pouvez aussi regarder les autres photos !)
Je ne sais pas sur quoi les opticiens font leur bénéfice en France, montures ou verres (ou les deux) ou si c'est le prix de la main d'oeuvre qui plombe complètement la facture... toujours est-il que j'ai payé il y a 10 jours, chez Grand O... précisément, 250 euros pour changer deux simples verres de correction de myopie... 😠
Je ne sais pas sur quoi les opticiens font leur bénéfice en France, montures ou verres (ou les deux) ou si c'est le prix de la main d'oeuvre qui plombe complètement la facture... toujours est-il que j'ai payé il y a 10 jours, chez Grand O... précisément, 250 euros pour changer deux simples verres de correction de myopie... 😠
Nos albums/carnets et vidéos de voyages dans mon profil, ainsi que:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/miguel.angulo/
Je suis cette discussion avec interêt puisque dans 1 mois je serai au Vietnam et j'aimerais savoir si quelqu'un a des bonnes adresses d'opticiens à Hanoi ?
Pour quelques dizaines d'euros, çà vaut peut-être le coup d'essayer...
Merci beaucoup.
Sans probleme et je confirme, a des prix defiant toute concurrence.
Si tu ne passes pas a Saigon, Hue est aussi bien reputee pour les lunettes.
A Nha Trang, un bon magasin dans la partie "vietnamienne" de la ville, en cas de besoin, je te donnerai l'adresse (j'irai voir sur place).
Je confirme pour les verres solaires il m'est arrivé la même chose à Saigon.
En outre il y a des teintes de verres solaires que l'on trouve en France/Europe qu'ils ne font pas au VN.
Pourquoi dans ce Forum personne ne donne aucune adresse de bon(s) opticien(s) au VN ? Ca pourrait servir et c'est la demande implicite du post d'origine
Ma femme (myope) s'est fait faire des solaires (et elle n'a pas mal a la tete) chez un opticien dont j'ai oublie le nom au debut de Le Loi en face du marche Ben Thanh.
J'y connais rien en lunettes, je pense que la plupart des bonhommes se valent et tu peux avoir du bon et du pas bon partout. Avec des prix commencant a 10 EUR la paire (en discutant), rien ne t'empeche d'en faire 3 ou 4 et de choisir.
tu peux toujours les demander en MP 😉
il n'est pas évident de donner une adresse.
Imagines 2 secondes que tu me donnes l'adresse d'un resto indien que tu as aimé à Santa Monica L.A, je vais traverser L.A ( habitant Orange ) et me retouver avec un changement de direction entre temps qui fait que c'est devenu un Fast-Food mexicano-finlandais... 😎
Encore que là, ça concerne un plaisir des papilles.
Pour des yeux, je n'ose imaginer tes réactions si tu vas à un adresse donnée ici et qui te ferait un travail qui ne correspondrait pas du tout à ce que tu attendais.
De plus, des pistes ont été donné par rapport à des rues ou des quartiers... 😉
Plus de précision ce serait hors charte de un et de plus de deux, si je tiens un magasin et que je suis cité en négatif, je pourrais demander des " réparations " à VF pour avoir laisser diffamer ( je ne reviens sur le sujet, certains se feraient de nouveau plaisir à épiloguer )
Donc, lire entre les lignes, MP puis " fureter " sur place.
Bonnes recherches 🙂
Edit : de plus habitant le Vietnam, tu dois être " bien placé " 😉
( Demandes à MahieuSteph qui habite à côté de chez toi ) il a fait une réponse ici ( juste au-dessus )
il n'est pas évident de donner une adresse.
Imagines 2 secondes que tu me donnes l'adresse d'un resto indien que tu as aimé à Santa Monica L.A, je vais traverser L.A ( habitant Orange ) et me retouver avec un changement de direction entre temps qui fait que c'est devenu un Fast-Food mexicano-finlandais... 😎
Encore que là, ça concerne un plaisir des papilles.
Pour des yeux, je n'ose imaginer tes réactions si tu vas à un adresse donnée ici et qui te ferait un travail qui ne correspondrait pas du tout à ce que tu attendais.
De plus, des pistes ont été donné par rapport à des rues ou des quartiers... 😉
Plus de précision ce serait hors charte de un et de plus de deux, si je tiens un magasin et que je suis cité en négatif, je pourrais demander des " réparations " à VF pour avoir laisser diffamer ( je ne reviens sur le sujet, certains se feraient de nouveau plaisir à épiloguer )
Donc, lire entre les lignes, MP puis " fureter " sur place.
Bonnes recherches 🙂
Edit : de plus habitant le Vietnam, tu dois être " bien placé " 😉
( Demandes à MahieuSteph qui habite à côté de chez toi ) il a fait une réponse ici ( juste au-dessus )
Parano ou juriste Too Cool ou les deux ?
Je me vois bien en train de faire un procès à quelqu'un ou à un forum ou à un guide quelconque qui m'a donné une adresse à la con...
J'ai fait deux jours d'hopital en Inde avec un restau tibétain à Kodaikanal conseillé par le Routard...je leur ai signalé et puis voilà c'est tout, ça peut servir aux autres.
Les forums servent à échanger des informations précises et exactes pour faciliter la vie en voyage.
Une adresse exacte prouve surtout que le renseignement est bon et vrai, sinon ce sont des propos de comptoir.
Cool cool...
sinon ce sont des propos de comptoir.
Cool cool...
J'en prends note🙂
Change HCMC Airport = arnaque à l'arrivée, arnaque au départ
Je m'insurge toujours contre des accusations sans preuve, en l'occurence la situation de monopole du bureau de change monétaire à l'aéroport de Tan Son Nhat. Il y a actuellement 8 bureaux de change appartenant à des banques différentes à l'aéroport, ceci pour remettre les pendules à l'heure.
Je donne souvent l'image de celui qui rouspète contre "les propos de comptoir", et le seul argument que l'on me retourne souvent c'est de "de la propagande communiste"!
J'en prends note🙂
Change HCMC Airport = arnaque à l'arrivée, arnaque au départ
Je m'insurge toujours contre des accusations sans preuve, en l'occurence la situation de monopole du bureau de change monétaire à l'aéroport de Tan Son Nhat. Il y a actuellement 8 bureaux de change appartenant à des banques différentes à l'aéroport, ceci pour remettre les pendules à l'heure.
Je donne souvent l'image de celui qui rouspète contre "les propos de comptoir", et le seul argument que l'on me retourne souvent c'est de "de la propagande communiste"!
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Cela existe encore le communisme au Vietnam?
Dans la tête de ceux qui sont anti communistes primaires🙂
Dans la tête de ceux qui sont anti communistes primaires🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Dans la tête de ceux qui sont anti communistes primaires🙂
rolala, oui
et meme qu'a cuba, en chine et tous les autres pays du meme genre, on les appelle des dissidents, des revolutionnaires, des anarchistes
et quand on "ose" parler, on va en prison
motif: menace de la securite nationale dixit la condamnation recente du pretre qui a ose tenir un blog...
au fait, ta carte du parti, tu la paies ou ils te la donnent gratos?
rolala, oui
et meme qu'a cuba, en chine et tous les autres pays du meme genre, on les appelle des dissidents, des revolutionnaires, des anarchistes
et quand on "ose" parler, on va en prison
motif: menace de la securite nationale dixit la condamnation recente du pretre qui a ose tenir un blog...
au fait, ta carte du parti, tu la paies ou ils te la donnent gratos?
ta carte du parti, tu la paies ou ils te la donnent gratos?
Si j'en avais une, je te le ferais avaler sans procès🙂
Si j'en avais une, je te le ferais avaler sans procès🙂
http://www.maison-chance.org/
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
W've got home;
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- Is Halong Bay really something to avoid because of overtourism? Even back then, it was pretty crowded. Is there a less touristy alternative?
- We’ll be traveling from Hanoi down to Danang (the only city we didn’t stop in back in ’96). Even though it’s a bit overhyped in a Chinese-tourist kind of way (from what I’ve read), we’re only going for the beach—pure relaxation for 7 days. The beaches are stunning, and I know the South China Sea is warm like coffee.
- Then, we’ll visit Hoi An, where I stopped in ’96. It was already popular with backpackers back then, but no glowing boats or all the touristy fuss!
- After that, Hue, where I have great memories—it’s a beautiful city.
- And also the nature around Ninh Binh, followed by 2-3 days in Hanoi.
That’s the plan. I’d love to hear any tips to avoid mass tourism, and if anyone’s done this before: - Is it possible to rent a car in Danang and drop it off in Hanoi?
Thanks, and long live the Nam! !
Hey everyone,
I’m over in East Borneo in mid-July.
I’m struggling to wrap up the end of my itinerary, even though it’s pretty straightforward (long but simple).
Last year, we did Malaysia (KL and the mainland + around Kuching).
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees. Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands. Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way). Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan. Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide). Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre. Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island. Day 10 – Head to Semporna. Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai. Day 15 – Bohey Dulang. Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous. I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing. I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture. But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary. If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
What do you all think? Thanks in advance!
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees. Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands. Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way). Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan. Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide). Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre. Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island. Day 10 – Head to Semporna. Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai. Day 15 – Bohey Dulang. Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous. I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing. I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture. But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary. If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
What do you all think? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Thanks for your opinions/answers! Marc Lamarre
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Thanks for your opinions/answers! Marc Lamarre
Hello,
I’ll be in Malaysia with my wife, mainly in Langkawi and Penang for Christmas and New Year’s at the end of 2026.
If you’ve had the experience—and since I’ve read (though it’s not very clear) that these two islands get quite crowded during this period—would you recommend booking accommodation well in advance, or is it easy to find something on the spot?
Hotels or Airbnb?
Do you have any great tips for accommodation or any practical info to share?
We’ll be staying 5 to 7 days on each island.
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there. To make the most of Lake Toba, is it better to find accommodation on the lake’s shores (which one?) or on Samosir Island? Thanks for your tips!
Hi. Is it possible to take the train from Malacca to Ipoh? Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
We’re heading to Vietnam as a family on July 8th for a little over 3 weeks (north and center). We’ve only booked the first 3 nights in Hanoi, and nothing else after that. We like to decide things on the spot and go with the flow, without rushing everywhere. But I’m still a bit unsure: when heading down to the center (Hue), is it better to book the overnight trains in advance? We don’t want to take any flights while we’re there—just use the overnight train for the long trips. But I’m worried we won’t get seats if we buy the tickets on the spot, say, 2 days before. What do the experts here think? And which website can we use to book the tickets? Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone!
I’m heading back to Thailand in July 2026 with a stopover in Cambodia to visit the Angkor site.
After Angkor, I’ve booked a stay on Ko Chang island. Does anyone know if there are direct transport options from Cambodia to Ko Chang without having to go back through Bangkok? That would be amazing!!
I think there are, but I’d need more details!!
I went to Thailand in February 2025 and don’t remember having to apply for a visa—is that still the case now? And for Cambodia too?
Thanks so much!!!
Laurence from Bayonne
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
hi
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
Hi there,
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi,
After our trip to China, we want to spend a week in the Philippines for some beach time and snorkeling.
We're looking for the best spot to settle in—nice beaches, great marine life, and short transfer times.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Hi there,
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Bonjour,
En voyage en Thaïlande je suis à la recherche de jonc bouddhiste kumlai.
Quelqu’un saurait-il me guider pour en trouver?
À Bangkok j’ai visité quelques temple mais je n’en n’ai pas trouvé sur les magasins à proximité.
Si vous avez une idée je suis preneuse! Belle journée :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
Kanchanaburi:

Kanchanaburi:

Sri Chiangmai:

Soppong:

Tha Wang Pha:

🙂 Hi everyone!
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hi there,
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
Hi everyone,
Family of 4—2 adults and 2 kids (11 and 15) who are well-traveled. We’re planning a 15-day trip to Indonesia and would love your thoughts on our itinerary. We love discovering local culture, food (!!), seeing beautiful landscapes, and keeping an active pace. We’re not the type to lounge on the beach for 5 hours or spend ages by the pool when we’re halfway across the world. Also, we try to avoid places "ruined" by mass tourism (like Holbox in Mexico, which we loved 10 years ago but not at all on our last visit, or Phi Phi in Thailand, completely destroyed by mass tourism).
Special note: we love traveling by train :)
Here’s what we’ve planned so far:
**Day 1** Arrival in Jakarta, then domestic flight to Yogyakarta. Settle in Yogyakarta.
**Day 2** Borobudur in the morning, then exploring nearby villages.
**Day 3** Prambanan in the morning, followed by culinary discovery / market / local vibe in Yogyakarta.
**Day 4** Train to Jombang, then driver/bus to the Bromo area. Overnight stay.
**Day 5** Sunrise at Bromo, exploring the volcano and sea of sand. Relax in the afternoon.
**Day 6** Travel to eastern Java, then train, ferry, and road to reach Sidemen in Bali.
**Day 7** Sidemen
**Day 8** Sidemen
**Day 9** Sidemen
**Day 10** Transfer to Gili Air (car to the port + fast boat?)
**Day 11** Gili Air
**Day 12** Gili Air
**Day 13** Transfer to Ubud
**Day 14** Ubud
**Day 15** Return to Bali airport, flight to Jakarta, then international flight.
Does this itinerary seem coherent for a family? Does it feel too packed or well-balanced? Would you make any changes to certain stops, durations, or transfers?
Thanks so much for your tips and experiences!
Family of 4—2 adults and 2 kids (11 and 15) who are well-traveled. We’re planning a 15-day trip to Indonesia and would love your thoughts on our itinerary. We love discovering local culture, food (!!), seeing beautiful landscapes, and keeping an active pace. We’re not the type to lounge on the beach for 5 hours or spend ages by the pool when we’re halfway across the world. Also, we try to avoid places "ruined" by mass tourism (like Holbox in Mexico, which we loved 10 years ago but not at all on our last visit, or Phi Phi in Thailand, completely destroyed by mass tourism).
Special note: we love traveling by train :)
Here’s what we’ve planned so far:
**Day 1** Arrival in Jakarta, then domestic flight to Yogyakarta. Settle in Yogyakarta.
**Day 2** Borobudur in the morning, then exploring nearby villages.
**Day 3** Prambanan in the morning, followed by culinary discovery / market / local vibe in Yogyakarta.
**Day 4** Train to Jombang, then driver/bus to the Bromo area. Overnight stay.
**Day 5** Sunrise at Bromo, exploring the volcano and sea of sand. Relax in the afternoon.
**Day 6** Travel to eastern Java, then train, ferry, and road to reach Sidemen in Bali.
**Day 7** Sidemen
**Day 8** Sidemen
**Day 9** Sidemen
**Day 10** Transfer to Gili Air (car to the port + fast boat?)
**Day 11** Gili Air
**Day 12** Gili Air
**Day 13** Transfer to Ubud
**Day 14** Ubud
**Day 15** Return to Bali airport, flight to Jakarta, then international flight.
Does this itinerary seem coherent for a family? Does it feel too packed or well-balanced? Would you make any changes to certain stops, durations, or transfers?
Thanks so much for your tips and experiences!