bonjour
heritier dun break 504 diesel de 81 en bon etat, je me demande si c'est tjrs autant demandé en afrique? et notamment en algerie et au maroc?
ça se vend combien? les frais de douane, c'est....%?
merci pour vos infos
Le mieux serait que tu en fasses don au musée de ta commune. Cela ferait de toi un mécène.
Mais bon, vouloir récupérer de l'argent sur une vieille épave dont la valeur est plus sentimentale qu'autre chose est une chose tout à fait louable dans le monde d'aujourd'hui.
Sinon, pour répondre précisement à ta question, une Mercédès 240 de 81 se dédouane dans les 5000 euros. Si t'as quelqu'un de ta famille MRE retraité, il a droit à une exonération de 25% sur les frais de douanes.
merci pour vos reponses
cette voiture est effectivemment vieille, 28 ans, mais dans un etat de conservation que les caisses d'aujourd'hui n'afficheront pas dans 28 ans !! ce n'est donc pas une epave !
de par sa conception datée, et le manque de pieces det ici, je ne tiens pas a la garder, je pense qu'elle a bien plus sa place a faire le taxi en AOF, ou elle est promise a durer encore longtemps, les 504, c'est pas une legende, c'est d'une solidité a tte epreuve (j'ai roulé avec une berline sans huile dans la boite de vitesse, essayer d'en faire autant avec une caisse d'aujourd'hui, vous ferez 20 bornes, moi j'ai roulé 6 mois avant de m'en rendre compte , faire le niveau et repartir de plus belle, c'etait il y a 15 ans pour aller au maroc avec des potes )
si j'avais les moyens, j'irais en afrique pour en faire don a des villageois d'un coin reculé, mais je suis fauché pour le moment, et cette caisse qui a tjrs dormi au garage va vite rouiller l a ou je la gare, c'est tout
je m'informe, il fut un temps ou descendre des 504 ou autres pijot etait un bon petit bizgo tranquille, mais il semble que ce soit plus le cas
En Algérie seule les Voiture neuve ( 2009) sont autoriser a pénétrer en Algérie; et seul les Algeriens Résident en Algérie ont le droit d amener ces Voiture….……en plus les taxes sont très très élevée….
"il fut un temps ou descendre des 504 ou autres pijot etait un bon petit bizgo tranquille, mais il semble que ce soit plus le cas"
Contraintes imposées pour limiter (un tant soit peu) le statut de dépotoir et de débarrasse-ferraille.
Je comprends les nostalgiques et compatis à leurs peines.
Slt
ben c'est pas plus mal, si ça peut dissuader ceux qui souhaitent se defaire de leur "poubelle" en Afrique, que de plus ça leur rapporte 😠, alors qu'en Europe ils pairaient pour la debarrasser!
Salut tu généralises un peu vite...
Il existe des gens qui descendent des voitures en bon état de marche, pas des poubelles comme tu dis, certaines servent même à des toubibs de brousses.....
cette 504 est, je le repete, en tres bon etat general, c'est pas une poubelle!!
les 504 ont eté fabriquées de 1968 à 2005 (usine peugeot au Nigeria), y doit y avoir une raison, non? elles etaient pensées comme des voitures pour notables de province mais elles ont fait leur preuve au magrheb, en AOF, mais aussi en egypte et en syrie, les taxis sont toujours preneurs, je crois, moins cheres et nettement plus robustes que les japonaises !
il y en a des tas qui sont descnedues a l'etat de poubelles, c'est vrai, mais de là à penser que on prenne l'afrique pour un depotoir, de ce point de vue, je crois pas...par contre, de depotoir pour les industries polluantes et de pays de cocagne pour les exploitants de richesses du sous sol, là oui ! ne nous trompons pas d'ennemis
je suis pas nostalgique, je ne l'ai jamais fait, de descendre une bagnole là bas, j'ai expliqué plus haut pourquoi je pense que cette bagnole a plus sa place la bas qu'ici...que les pays ait durci leur legislation pour stopper le flux de l'occaz en afrique, c'est donc un fait mais enfin, je crois que ça profite plus aux japonais qu'aux africains
Salut,
Ne t'en fait pas pour les commentaires, c'est un sujet qui débouche obligatoirement sur des polémiques.....
Ta voiture rendrait sûrement de grand service en afrique .....
Tchuss ......
Tout véhicule roulant âgé de plus de 3 ans ne peut plus être importé en Algérie !
Donc plus d'espoir !
LILI
Bonjour,
D'après la Loi de Finances 2007, …No body peux Importer sur le sol Algérien une vielle Voiture ….Seules les Voitures Neuve sont autorisé" a être Importé par les Individu ou les concessionnaire…..Même les Voiture Neuve (2009) acheté chez des Garagistes ne sont pas accepté......…Elle dois être acheté chez Un Concessionnaire
Les Seuls Veilles Voitures qui pénètrent en Algérie, sont celles de nos Compatriotes Immigrés & les Touristes étrangers ( uniquement pour la Durée de leurs Vacances); les Voitures du corps diplomatique en Algérie , et les Voitures Utilitaires et Industriel des sociétés Etrangères Implanté en Algérie.
Bonne Journée…………………………………..Tamurtanagh
Bonjour,
Je ne suis pas tout à fait d'accord avec l'idée qui circule encore des voitures poubelles vendues en Afrique.
Ce temps semble révolu en réalité. On vend des autos ayant un fort kilométrage mais des bagnoles pourries j'en vois rarement circuler pour être vendues. Par contre c'est vrai que les acheteurs ont tôt fait de transformer les bagnoles en épaves...
Les dispositions prises par certains gouvernements sont assez nulles car d'une part la voiture (vétuste ou récente) est un accès à la liberté (de se déplacer) et d'autre part ce sont des voitures à petit prix qui pourraient être commercialisées. L'âge n'a rien à voir ! La voiture de Coloane serait certainement appréciée dans des tas de village car facile à entretenir... pour leurs petits (très) budgets ce qui n'est pas le cas des voitures récentes.
Il faut pas non plus exagérer en parlant de voitures poubelles car faire 5 000 k avec une poubelle sous 40°.... t'es pas sûr d'arriver.
"Les dispositions prises par certains gouvernements sont assez nulles car d'une part la voiture (vétuste ou récente) est un accès à la liberté (de se déplacer)"
Et aussi à la liberté de faucher et de briser des vies.
L'une des causes majeures des accidents (je ne dis pas que c'est la seule) sur les routes marocaines est la vétusté des véhicules.
Je suis pas d'accord car ce qui fait que les véhicules soient des dangers publics c'est pas l'âge mais l'entretien. D'ailleurs, les visites techniques imposées en Europe ne concernent pas l'âge mais l'état. Faut pas tout mélanger.
bonjour.le meilleur endroit pour vendre cette voiture c'est en mauritanie.là ils vous arreterons a la frontiere marocco mauritanienne et vous l'a vendrez sur place.mais ne vous laissez pas rouler dans la farine ils sont malin et rusé.ça peut se vendre a mon avis environ 15.000 frs.ils utilisent cette voiture pour les taxis brousse.mais attention en vendant exigez surtout qu'il vous paie en euros et qu'il fasse noter par la douane que vous avez vendu votre véhicule .car en entrant a la frontiere la douane va noter que vous entrez avev tel véhicule.si vous ne faites pas comme cela , vous serez obliger de ressortir avec votre voiture.le mieux pour la vendre c'est d'allez jusqu'à nouakchott.et l'à on vous l'arracher.sinon dans un autre pays les douanes sont beaucoup trop chere.a votre service.richard
bonjour,
tu as l' air d' oublier la conduite kamikaze des chauffeurs marocains, je pense plus particulièrement aux chauffeurs de taxis. pressés de finir une course pour repartir dans l' autre sens .
*****.ça peut se vendre a mon avis environ 15.000 frs****
c'était peut etre valable au siècle dernier !
La Mauritanie croule sous les Mercedes Audi BM, invendues , achetées moins de 2000 euros par les truands grossistes.
Il y en a des kms à Nouakchott, sur la route de Rosso.
Alors , une très vieille 504, même en bon état !! ................
C'est fini , l'Afrique, sauf pour les "professionnels" de la descente, avec commandes d'avance, et surtout pas pressés de conclure.
"bonjour,
tu as l' air d' oublier la conduite kamikaze des chauffeurs marocains, je pense plus particulièrement aux chauffeurs de taxis. pressés de finir une course pour repartir dans l' autre sens"
Bonjour,
"L'une des causes majeures des accidents (je ne dis pas que c'est la seule)..."
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
Hello, my husband and I will be in Egypt this coming November. Cairo seems more challenging to explore without a guide, and we’ll be there for 3 full days. Would anyone have the name of a guide?
Thanks!
Hi there!
I’m heading to Dakhla at the end of October for about two weeks as a backpacker.
Without renting a car or booking pricey excursions, what are the best ways to get around and explore?
I’ve heard that the small taxis only cover limited routes outside the city center, and the local buses might be tricky...
Thanks to anyone who knows the area and can share their tips for nature and culture in this up-and-coming destination!
Laurence
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.