Sénégalais: atterrir à Genève avec un visa long séjour français?
by Flolhia
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
SVP, besoin d'une info urgente :
Je pars de Dakar, est ce que je peux atterrir à geneve avec un visa long séjour français (un an/conjoint de français) ??
L'ambassade de France à Dakar me dit que ce n'est pas possible !!
Et si jamais ce n'est pas possible, puis je prendre un vol pour la France via un pays européen (Portugal ou espagne) pour escale ??
En encore une fois l'ambassade de france sous entend que ce n'est pas faisable sans accord au préalable du pays européen en question...
Diadieuf ! Merci d'avance !
Bonjour Flolhia
Si tu as un visa long sejour francais ( en fait un titre de sejour conjoint de francais) tu peux circuler dans l ensemble de l espace Schengen cad aussi bien la France que la Suisse.
Biensur tu dois avoir ton passeport senegalais en plus de ton titre de sejour francais.
Ca semble hallucinant que des agents consulaires francais aient pu dire l inverse !
En tout cas pas de souci dans ton cas pour atterrir a Geneve, la suisse faisant partie de l espace Schengen ( comme la Norvege ou l Islande par exemple bien que pays non membre de l UE). Par contre impossible d atterrir a Londres dans ton cas la GB etant hors Schengen.
Si tu as un visa long sejour francais ( en fait un titre de sejour conjoint de francais) tu peux circuler dans l ensemble de l espace Schengen cad aussi bien la France que la Suisse.
Biensur tu dois avoir ton passeport senegalais en plus de ton titre de sejour francais.
Ca semble hallucinant que des agents consulaires francais aient pu dire l inverse !
En tout cas pas de souci dans ton cas pour atterrir a Geneve, la suisse faisant partie de l espace Schengen ( comme la Norvege ou l Islande par exemple bien que pays non membre de l UE). Par contre impossible d atterrir a Londres dans ton cas la GB etant hors Schengen.
si c'est une escale, je ne vois pas le problème si on ne sort pas de la de transit, en attente.... ? pas besoin de visa pour les transit....
Bonjour,
Il est très imprudent de poser ce genre de question sur un forum. Ce qui compte ce sont les pouvoirs des autorités de contrôle.
D'abord la compagnie aérienne qui peut refuser l'embarquement si elle pense qu'il y aura un problème à l'arrivée. Je rappelle que c'est la compagnie qui doit payer les frais et amendes si un passager n'est pas en règle 'la caution à verser par la compagnie est énorme dans ce cas.
Qu'est-ce qui vous dit que la police suisse va s'estimer compétente pour vérifier l'authenticité d'un visa accordé par la France? Je pense qu'il faut arriver dans le pays qui a délivré le visa. Bien sûr si vous entrez par la France vous pourrez ensuite aller en Suisse avec un visa schengen...et je rappelle que si vous êtes "de type africain" les contrôles de police en Suisse ne sont pas agréables (j'ai déjà raconté sur ce forum mes déboires au passage en voiture avec des amis antillais donc français depuis des générations).
Fiez-vous à ce que dit l'ambassade de France même si elle ne sait pas expliquer pourquoi. Vérifiez auprès de la compagnie aérienne.
Bonne chance et bon séjour en France et n'oubliez pas que "les conseilleurs ne sont pas les payeurs"
gaura
Bonjour,
Le plus simple, allez sur ce site: http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_privat/index.html?lang=fr, tout en bas de la page, cliquez sur " contact" et vous pourrez poser votre questions directement à l'administration des douanes suisses. Si la réponse est positive, imprimez la pour n'avoir aucun problème avec le douanier de faction à votre arrivée.
Je n'aurai pas le temps...
En Suisse comme ailleurs les douanes s'occupent de la circulation des marchandises et la police aux frontières ou équivalent s'occupe de la circulation des personnes. Le site indiqué par Sissi57 traite des marchandises (pour les marchandises la Suisse n'est pas dans l'espace Schengen) et renvoie à l'Office des migrations internationales pour les personnes(visa, papiers...). Tous les ressortissants de l'espace Schengen ne peuvent pas entrer en Suisse librement, pour les autres çà doit être encore plus compliqué. Il y a une FAQ sur le site de L'OMI.
Si Flolhia nous donne la version de l'administration suisse on aura appris quelque chose.
gaura
Tous les ressortissants de l'espace Schengen ne peuvent pas entrer en Suisse librement, pour les autres çà doit être encore plus compliqué.
Bonjour
Comment ca un ressortissant Schengen ou resident ne peut entrer en Suisse ????
J aimerais que vous m expliquiez pourquoi.... Je suis Ok pour votre distinction douane et police frontaliere....mais pour le reste vos propos me semblent erronés (mais j attends que vous me prouviez le contraire....)
Bonjour
Comment ca un ressortissant Schengen ou resident ne peut entrer en Suisse ????
J aimerais que vous m expliquiez pourquoi.... Je suis Ok pour votre distinction douane et police frontaliere....mais pour le reste vos propos me semblent erronés (mais j attends que vous me prouviez le contraire....)
Bonjour Sissi,
J'avais cliqué sur ton lien. Certes, il s'agit bien de "particuliers" par opposition à "entreprises" mais il n'est question que de la règlementation en matière de marchandises. Quand on clique sur passeport , visa, çà renvoie au site de l'office suisse des migrations, ce que j'ai fait aussi.
En France comme en Suisse les gens confondent contrôle de douane et contrôle de police aux frontières. Les douanes sont des administrations financières, qui dépendent des ministères des finances, elles s'occupent de la circulation des marchandises, des taxes et infractions qui les concernent. La police aux frontières contrôle la circulation des personnes (papiers, visa..) et dépend du ministère de l'intérieur en France ou équivalent en Suisse (la police me semble cantonale et la règlementation pour l'entrée sur le territoire essentiellement fédérale si j'ai bien compris ce que j'ai lu sur le site de l'OMI à Berne). J'ai de bonnes raisons de connaître les différences...
A bientôt sue VF
gaura
bonjour,
Allez sur le site du bureau fédéral des migrations ( bfm.adm.ch) . j'ai regardé en diagonale , il y a des restrictions suisses à la libre circulation des ressortissants de l'espace schengen pour les permis de travail.
Pour notre ami sénégalais la FAQ indique qu'il doit s'adresser à la représentation suisse dans son pays pour savoir si son visa schengen lui permettra d'entrer par la Suisse.
gaura
la libre circulation s applique a la Suisse etant signataire de Schengen.
la question est de savoir si notre amis senegalais reside deja en France ( auquel cas y a vraiment aucun souci de passer par la suisse) ou s il s agit de son 1ere arrivée en France.
la question est de savoir si notre amis senegalais reside deja en France ( auquel cas y a vraiment aucun souci de passer par la suisse) ou s il s agit de son 1ere arrivée en France.
a geenève cointrin il y a une sortie française donc je ne vois pas le problème. bien sur la ssortie française te mène à ferney voltaire et l'entrée en suisse est soummise au conditions normarles de l'espace shegen, pour plus de sureté adresse-toi à l'ambassade de suisse si tu veut être sur.
Bonne arrivée
🙂
Bonjour,
Et merci à tous d'avoir apporté vos conseils et renseignements sur le sujet que j'ai laissé.
J'ai déjà voyagé en france mais sous un visa Schengen 3 mois donc différent de long séjour.
Je n'ai toujours pas trouvé de réponse définitive à la question !!
mais je me suis renseigné de différentes façons que voici ci dessous.
Concernant l'ambassade, suite au message de Gaura et à l'imprudence de poser ce genre de question sur un forum : un forum est un espace de débat où y a toujours des avis opposés, etc. et qu'il convient à chacun de savoir quoi prendre et quoi laisser... mais pour ma part, les réponses m'ont apportées des pistes à explorer donc je ne saisi pas bien le sens de "l'imprudence" commise ? il faut juste faire preuve de discernement... Je partage votre avis sur le fait de bien sur se fier d'abord à ce que dit l'Ambassade mais malheureusement il y a aussi de mauvaises infos de leur coté ! voir des méconnaissances graves du sujet alors que cela devrait être très clair et précis à leur niveau !! Cela m'est déjà arrivé par le passé et dernièrerement sur un autre sujet : il est demandé pour prendre un RDV à l'ambassade de france à dakar pr le depot de la demande de visa d'acheter une "carte" Africatel à Ecobank - 5000FCFA - c'est écrit sur le formulaire téléchargeable sur le site de l'ambassade et cela m'a été confirmé par mail, alors que pour les conjoints de français il n'y en a pas besoin !! c'est ce que m'a répondu la personne au tél en me donnant un autre numéro à appeler qui n'est pas du tout payant (hors communication biensur) et confirmé ensuite par d'autres personnes !
Infos trouvées grâce à vos liens et en prenant contact avec l'aéroport de geneve :
- douanes suisse : si vous voyagez via un pays de l'espace Schengen (pour mon cas oui puisque le vol est via Lisbonne, la TAP), votre arrivée sur le sol suisse n'est pas controlée par la police de l'immigration car votre vol arrive de l'espace Shengen !! c'est donc à Lisbonne au transit que vous êtes contrôlé et tamponné. Et cela ne dépend pas des autorités suisses...
- Office des migration suisses : il faut disposer d'un visa type D pour entrer sur le sol suisse. Etant donné que c'est précisé nulle part sur le formulaire si le visa long séjour est de type D, j'attends la réponse de l'ambassade à qui j'ai posé la question...
- ambassade Suisse et Cie aérienne : pas pu y aller encore, mais ca serait effectivement à faire pour avoir aussi leur version...
Personnellement vu l'urgence, j'ai pris un vol sur Lyon même si cela ne m'arrange franchement pas... Des amis l'ont fait et ont pu transiter par lisbonne sans pb... l'ambassade de France via mail a répondu être peu sure de cette possibilité, à voir avec les services aéroportuaires du Portugal. Plus le temps et vus que les amis l'ont fait on verra !!
Bonne suite à tous et merci encore
Concernant l'ambassade, suite au message de Gaura et à l'imprudence de poser ce genre de question sur un forum : un forum est un espace de débat où y a toujours des avis opposés, etc. et qu'il convient à chacun de savoir quoi prendre et quoi laisser... mais pour ma part, les réponses m'ont apportées des pistes à explorer donc je ne saisi pas bien le sens de "l'imprudence" commise ? il faut juste faire preuve de discernement... Je partage votre avis sur le fait de bien sur se fier d'abord à ce que dit l'Ambassade mais malheureusement il y a aussi de mauvaises infos de leur coté ! voir des méconnaissances graves du sujet alors que cela devrait être très clair et précis à leur niveau !! Cela m'est déjà arrivé par le passé et dernièrerement sur un autre sujet : il est demandé pour prendre un RDV à l'ambassade de france à dakar pr le depot de la demande de visa d'acheter une "carte" Africatel à Ecobank - 5000FCFA - c'est écrit sur le formulaire téléchargeable sur le site de l'ambassade et cela m'a été confirmé par mail, alors que pour les conjoints de français il n'y en a pas besoin !! c'est ce que m'a répondu la personne au tél en me donnant un autre numéro à appeler qui n'est pas du tout payant (hors communication biensur) et confirmé ensuite par d'autres personnes !
Infos trouvées grâce à vos liens et en prenant contact avec l'aéroport de geneve :
- douanes suisse : si vous voyagez via un pays de l'espace Schengen (pour mon cas oui puisque le vol est via Lisbonne, la TAP), votre arrivée sur le sol suisse n'est pas controlée par la police de l'immigration car votre vol arrive de l'espace Shengen !! c'est donc à Lisbonne au transit que vous êtes contrôlé et tamponné. Et cela ne dépend pas des autorités suisses...
- Office des migration suisses : il faut disposer d'un visa type D pour entrer sur le sol suisse. Etant donné que c'est précisé nulle part sur le formulaire si le visa long séjour est de type D, j'attends la réponse de l'ambassade à qui j'ai posé la question...
- ambassade Suisse et Cie aérienne : pas pu y aller encore, mais ca serait effectivement à faire pour avoir aussi leur version...
Personnellement vu l'urgence, j'ai pris un vol sur Lyon même si cela ne m'arrange franchement pas... Des amis l'ont fait et ont pu transiter par lisbonne sans pb... l'ambassade de France via mail a répondu être peu sure de cette possibilité, à voir avec les services aéroportuaires du Portugal. Plus le temps et vus que les amis l'ont fait on verra !!
Bonne suite à tous et merci encore
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There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel





