La Birmanie, pourquoi?
by Krims
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Je voulais simplement proposer un débat à propos d'un voyage au Myanmar, c'est à dire, quel en est l'intérêt?
Nous faisons un voyage de 6 mois, et nous sommes passés par le Myanmar, que nous quittons demain.
Peut-être est-ce la saison qui a gâté notre périple, ou alors notre intérêt modéré pour les temples, mais nous n'avons eprouvé que peu d'attirance pour Myanmar. Effectivement, comme ressenti par la plupart des voyageurs, les birmans sont extrêmement agréables, prêts à tout pour satisfaire une demande, quelle qu'elle soit. Malheureusement, ce qui nous a dérangé, c'est leur façon de saluer la voiture MTT (Myanmar Travel and Tour, géré par l'état) que nous avons loués un après-midi pour se rendre au mont Popa, sans savoir qu'elle y appartenait. En effet, les ouvriers, composés en grandes partie de femmes et d'enfants, lorsqu'ils voient arriver la voiture se redressent et saluent tels des pantins la voiture appartenant à l'Etat, sans doute sous contrainte de leur corvée infligée par cette douce dictature. Au retour, nous avons été à nouveau troublés par cet hommage gracieusement offert. Bien sûr cela n'est qu'une anecdote, et la population est accueillante et captivée par les touristes.
Concernant le lac Inle, ce lac, pour ma part bien sûr, est loin d'être un lac somptueux. Bagan est un lieu truffé de temples, mais nous ne sommes pas fanatiques des temples, alors une fois une dizaine visités, que faire?? Concernant Hsipaw et Piy Oo Lwin, ces deux bourgades sont sympathiques, mais loin d'etre magnifiques, et malheureusement nous n'avons pas eu le temps de faire quelques jours de randonnée. Cependant, les alentours paraissaient secs, ne donnaient pas envie aller gambader dans la campagne. Mandalay et ses environs sont agréable à visiter, et quelques temples avec vue sur la ville sont à voir, mais la ville en elle-même est loin d'être jouissive.Quant à Yangon c'est une métropole qui reste extrêmement, et ça c'est assez agréable de ne pas être compacté.
Ce résumé est simplement pour savoir d'où la plupart des voyageurs tirent leur satisfaction du Myanmar. Ça n'est pas un reproche, loin de là, mais simplement un débat. Nous avions rencontré au Swaziland, une dame addicte de voyage, qui nous avait deconseillé cette destination car elle avait été déçue de l'emprise dictatoriale, et des paysages dégarnis...
Effectivement la population est adorable, rigolote mais cela suffit-il à un voyage?? Nous avons été déçu par l'architecture des villes, la beauté des paysages... Donc notre question est, qu'est-ce qui vous a fait vibrer au Myanmar?
Chris-M
Quel est ton intérêt de proposer un débat sur ce pays ?
Ton opinion est faite et si tu veux des retours de voyageurs qui ont et qui aiment ce pays, je te suggère de faire un tour sur le forum, non seulement tu y trouveras des feed backs de voyageurs ravis de leur périple, mais aussi matière à réflexion sur ce pays, son gouvernement et sur la prétendue ouverture actuelle au monde extérieur.
C'est comme tout autre voyage, on aime un endroit et pas un autre et c'est très subjectif.
Bonne chance !
C'est comme tout autre voyage, on aime un endroit et pas un autre et c'est très subjectif.
Bonne chance !
Malheureusement, ce qui nous a dérangé, c'est leur façon de saluer la voiture MTT (Myanmar Travel and Tour, géré par l'état) que nous avons loués un après-midi pour se rendre au mont Popa, sans savoir qu'elle y appartenait. En effet, les ouvriers, composés en grandes partie de femmes et d'enfants, lorsqu'ils voient arriver la voiture se redressent et saluent tels des pantins la voiture appartenant à l'Etat, sans doute sous contrainte de leur corvée infligée par cette douce dictature.
Bonjour Rassurez-moi : vous êtes un troll ? Parce que sinon, votre remarque sur les ouvriers qui saluent les voitures officielles serait d'une crétinerie rare... En plus, votre comportement serait odieux, si cela était vrai. Vous pourriez louer une voiture à l'Etat, ce serait normal, et absolument pas choquant de soutenir directement la dictature. Mais quel scandale que ces pauvres gens, payés une misère pour entretenir des routes, qui n'ont reçu aucune éducation (vous le dites vous-même, ce sont en partie des enfants qui travaillent), quel scandale donc que ces gens qui saluent une voiture de la dictature qui les opprime. Ils feraient mieux de s'installer dans un pays plus cool, au bord de la mer, à boire des daiquiris toute la journée, plutôt que d'offenser par leur attitude de braves touristes qui roulent dans des 4x4 gouvernementaux et climatisés. Bref, vous faites le tour des forums en écrivant des imbécilités pour faire réagir les gens ? Ca marche. Je n'ai pas pu m'empêcher de croire que vous pourriez être un idiot. Heureusement que c'est un jeu de votre part.
Frédéric
Bonjour Rassurez-moi : vous êtes un troll ? Parce que sinon, votre remarque sur les ouvriers qui saluent les voitures officielles serait d'une crétinerie rare... En plus, votre comportement serait odieux, si cela était vrai. Vous pourriez louer une voiture à l'Etat, ce serait normal, et absolument pas choquant de soutenir directement la dictature. Mais quel scandale que ces pauvres gens, payés une misère pour entretenir des routes, qui n'ont reçu aucune éducation (vous le dites vous-même, ce sont en partie des enfants qui travaillent), quel scandale donc que ces gens qui saluent une voiture de la dictature qui les opprime. Ils feraient mieux de s'installer dans un pays plus cool, au bord de la mer, à boire des daiquiris toute la journée, plutôt que d'offenser par leur attitude de braves touristes qui roulent dans des 4x4 gouvernementaux et climatisés. Bref, vous faites le tour des forums en écrivant des imbécilités pour faire réagir les gens ? Ca marche. Je n'ai pas pu m'empêcher de croire que vous pourriez être un idiot. Heureusement que c'est un jeu de votre part.
Frédéric
Pour ton information, j'ai vécu une situation du même genre.
Ce n'était pas des personnes qui saluaient une voiture du gouvernement, mais des gens, bus, voitures et chars qui devaient faire place nette en se rangeant sur les bas-côté de la route lors du passage d'un convoi officiel, précédé de motards qui obligeaient tout le monde à cesser toute activité ...🏴☠️
Pour ton information, j'ai vécu une situation du même genre.
Ce n'était pas des personnes qui saluaient une voiture du gouvernement, mais des gens, bus, voitures et chars qui devaient faire place nette en se rangeant sur les bas-côté de la route lors du passage d'un convoi officiel, précédé de motards qui obligeaient tout le monde à cesser toute activité ...🏴☠️
C'est un tout autre sujet. Ca arrive aussi à Paris de voir passer des convois officiels... En tout cas, ça n'a aucun rapport. Vous êtes aussi un troll ?
C'est un tout autre sujet. Ca arrive aussi à Paris de voir passer des convois officiels... En tout cas, ça n'a aucun rapport. Vous êtes aussi un troll ?
bonjour,
je suis d'accord avec vous sur plein de points.
ça ne cesse de qualifier le Myanmar de "magique", probablement y a -il une grosse part de pitié là-dedans et aussi une part de culpabilisation refoulée de certains touristes qui culpabilisent malgré tout à visiter une dictature, mais qui au fond s'en fichent un peu beaucoup. Les vacances d'abord.
Pour les sites je suis d'accord : Inlé ? objectivement très bof. Qui peut dire que les paysages y sont exceptionnels ? impossible. Bagan : de beaux temples (et de la poussière...🤪). Mais quand vous en avez vu 3...
Les birmans ? ben oui, "gentils" (comme il faut le dire à toutes les sauces...) mais ni plus ni moins qu'ailleurs. Et ont-ils seulement le droit de ne pas être gentils ?...
Hsipaw, etc. pareil : quoi d'exceptionnel ? des paysages plutôt quelconque.
Tout le centre du pays : rien à voir.
bref, un degré d'éxagération phénoménal sur ce pays.
je suis d'accord avec vous sur plein de points.
ça ne cesse de qualifier le Myanmar de "magique", probablement y a -il une grosse part de pitié là-dedans et aussi une part de culpabilisation refoulée de certains touristes qui culpabilisent malgré tout à visiter une dictature, mais qui au fond s'en fichent un peu beaucoup. Les vacances d'abord.
Pour les sites je suis d'accord : Inlé ? objectivement très bof. Qui peut dire que les paysages y sont exceptionnels ? impossible. Bagan : de beaux temples (et de la poussière...🤪). Mais quand vous en avez vu 3...
Les birmans ? ben oui, "gentils" (comme il faut le dire à toutes les sauces...) mais ni plus ni moins qu'ailleurs. Et ont-ils seulement le droit de ne pas être gentils ?...
Hsipaw, etc. pareil : quoi d'exceptionnel ? des paysages plutôt quelconque.
Tout le centre du pays : rien à voir.
bref, un degré d'éxagération phénoménal sur ce pays.
bref, un degré d'éxagération phénoménal sur ce pays.
100% d'accord. Actuelement, c'est un phénomene de mode, alimenté par les agences de voyages occidentales et par la publicité monstrueuse qu'a fait le "gouvernement" Birman pour attirer un maximum de touristes aveugles, qui en rentrant chez eux, vont glorifier ce pays, ce qui aurra pour but de redorer le blason des dictateurs, devenus miraculeusement des gens tout à fait fréquentables, depuis qu'ils ont libérés la dame de paille et troqués leurs habits militaires, contre un costard 3 pièces.
La Birmanie, pourquoi?
Pour pouvoir dire."J'y suis allé" - "on a FAIT la Birmanie"
100% d'accord. Actuelement, c'est un phénomene de mode, alimenté par les agences de voyages occidentales et par la publicité monstrueuse qu'a fait le "gouvernement" Birman pour attirer un maximum de touristes aveugles, qui en rentrant chez eux, vont glorifier ce pays, ce qui aurra pour but de redorer le blason des dictateurs, devenus miraculeusement des gens tout à fait fréquentables, depuis qu'ils ont libérés la dame de paille et troqués leurs habits militaires, contre un costard 3 pièces.
La Birmanie, pourquoi?
Pour pouvoir dire."J'y suis allé" - "on a FAIT la Birmanie"
Oui, chaque touriste a ses préférences, et c'est très bien
Nous devons accepter nos différences si nous voulons voyager et apprendre à comprendre les autres...
je suis allée en Birmanie il y 10 ans, et encore une fois en 2011, un mois à chaque fois 2 personnes, individuellement, sac à dos.
Et nous allons y retourner aussitôt que ppossible.
C'est de loin le pays que je préfère, en raison de l'accueil si chaleureux des Birmans. Bien sûr, comme dans tout pays, nous devons faire l'effort de communiquer et de parler un petit peu leur langue, ce qui ouvre beaucoup de portes, et lorsque nous voyageons à 2 personnes dans les bus, les trains, à vélo ou a pied dans les rizières. Hélas le gouvernement est bien celui que tous décrient, et nous voyons bien à quel point les gens sont exploités, mais est-ce une raison pour décider si oui ou non les habitants méritent notre attention? Donc libre à chaque voyageur de juger de ce qu'il aime ou non.
Nous devons accepter nos différences si nous voulons voyager et apprendre à comprendre les autres...
je suis allée en Birmanie il y 10 ans, et encore une fois en 2011, un mois à chaque fois 2 personnes, individuellement, sac à dos.
Et nous allons y retourner aussitôt que ppossible.
C'est de loin le pays que je préfère, en raison de l'accueil si chaleureux des Birmans. Bien sûr, comme dans tout pays, nous devons faire l'effort de communiquer et de parler un petit peu leur langue, ce qui ouvre beaucoup de portes, et lorsque nous voyageons à 2 personnes dans les bus, les trains, à vélo ou a pied dans les rizières. Hélas le gouvernement est bien celui que tous décrient, et nous voyons bien à quel point les gens sont exploités, mais est-ce une raison pour décider si oui ou non les habitants méritent notre attention? Donc libre à chaque voyageur de juger de ce qu'il aime ou non.
Aïe Aë Aë
Ptillivier, je viens de voir en lisant ton message qu'il y a de plus en plus de Suisses, TROP POUR TOI !!!
Eh oui, cher Olivier, les Suisses sortent de temps en temps de leur petit pays, désolée...
Eh oui, cher Olivier, les Suisses sortent de temps en temps de leur petit pays, désolée...
Tu as raison de faire part de tes avis, quoiqu'en disent certains. Pour eux il faudrait venir sur forumvoyages et dire "tout est super"? pour que la masse soit satisfaite.
Que les gens défendent les pays qu'ils ont visités c'est normal mais c’est pas une raison pour démonter les avis inverses. Les gouts et les couleurs...
Que les gens défendent les pays qu'ils ont visités c'est normal mais c’est pas une raison pour démonter les avis inverses. Les gouts et les couleurs...
+1😏
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Pour la contribution ...
Pour le reste, je rejoins l'avis de certains qui trouvent à juste titre que la Birmanie est sur représentée et peut-être surévaluée. De là à tout foutre à la poubelle. Vu les réactions de certains le but n'est pas d'émettre un avis constructif, simplement d'aller à l'encontre de la "mode". Et ça, c'est aussi drôle que les bobos qui vont en Birmanie "Pour l'avoir fait".
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Pour la contribution ...
Pour le reste, je rejoins l'avis de certains qui trouvent à juste titre que la Birmanie est sur représentée et peut-être surévaluée. De là à tout foutre à la poubelle. Vu les réactions de certains le but n'est pas d'émettre un avis constructif, simplement d'aller à l'encontre de la "mode". Et ça, c'est aussi drôle que les bobos qui vont en Birmanie "Pour l'avoir fait".
Ma petite anecdote de troll était simplement pour mettre en évidence une dictature gérée par des mains de fer, et non pas pour s'amuser du comportement d'un peuple brimé en permanence. Mais j'aime l'ironie!
Comme le dit le message de gogogadgeto, La dictature tente de se redorer le blason, mais garde une mainmise omniprésente sur la population dont "mon" ressenti est déplaisant. Dans d'autres pays "dictatoriaux" (à moindre mesure sans doute) où j'y ai passé un peu plus de temps, je n'ai pas éprouvé le même sentiment d'oppression. Mais effectivement, on doit s'y préparer...
Sinon ce message était pour savoir ce qui vous avait plu lors de vos voyages, et quels étaient vos impressions, et je remercie ceux qui participent à cette discussion.
Pour terminer, nous avons voyagé en train, en bus, en moto et en vélo. Nous avons passé une belle soirée à danser avec des locaux, croisé des "taupes" qui vous posent des questions survie que l'on fait au Myanmar, où l'on réside... Quelques souvenirs resteront gravées, mais ce pays, je suis loin de l'avoir trouvé sublime et passionnant... Mon propre avis bien sûr.
Chris-M
bonjour
d'accord pas de paysages fabuleux, une over dose de temple, une couleur beige du paysage du nord au sud.....mais encore une atmosphere agreable, calme, sans stress, securisante, qui ne durera pas ainsi que des rapports casiment normaux entre population et touristes
ln
Hélène
bonjour,
je suis stupefaite de ce que vous écrivez; quels sont donc vos critères du voyage? la beauté du voyage n'est pas uniquement dans la beauté
des paysages ou l'asepsie d'un regard carte postale...il me semble que tout départ vers la différence est d'abord un abandon à l'essentiel,
à la rencontre de l'autre humain, pour y apprendre simplement l'humilité ! Je suis allée en Birmanie et j'y ai capté quelques messages qui font plutot
du bien à l'ame....je vous inviterais bien à écouter de plus près l'histoire et la philosophie de ce pays...quelques lumières éclaireront j'espère votre
approche un peu consumérisme.
je suis stupefaite de ce que vous écrivez; quels sont donc vos critères du voyage? la beauté du voyage n'est pas uniquement dans la beauté
des paysages ou l'asepsie d'un regard carte postale...il me semble que tout départ vers la différence est d'abord un abandon à l'essentiel,
à la rencontre de l'autre humain, pour y apprendre simplement l'humilité ! Je suis allée en Birmanie et j'y ai capté quelques messages qui font plutot
du bien à l'ame....je vous inviterais bien à écouter de plus près l'histoire et la philosophie de ce pays...quelques lumières éclaireront j'espère votre
approche un peu consumérisme.
vero
Birmanie. L'autre pays des bisounours.
Tiens, voilà de quoi passer 30 minutes instructives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVyeus64d9c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QUpPAt72MQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwqj-3Qj_dM
Tiens, voilà de quoi passer 30 minutes instructives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVyeus64d9c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QUpPAt72MQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwqj-3Qj_dM
Très bon ce reportage, je l'avais vu il y a quelque temps c'est assez édifiant.
on ne va pas meler la religion a tt cela
elles sont ttes aussi connes qd il s agit de tuer celui qui est different bouddhiste ou pas ils peuvent tuer la differance voir les bouddhistes et les musulmans en birmanie actuellement
et puis merde on n a le droit de trouver des paysages plus beaux les uns que les autres ds le monde selon sa sensibilite
je n ai pas aime non plus le senegal il y en a marre du plolitiquement correct
ln
Hélène
je connais la situation politique de ce pays! lucide et partir à la rencontre des birmans c'est aussi aller entendre leur expression ...
et ils s'expriment!!
et ils s'expriment!!
vero
pas fanatique de l islam, mais un peu de respect pour eux et les autres ethnie en birmanie, les birmans n ont pas etre les maitres de la birmanie d ailleur l onu denonce ces genicides
ln
Hélène
je connais la situation politique de ce pays! lucide et partir à la rencontre des birmans c'est aussi aller entendre leur expression ...
et ils s'expriment!!
wouais, wouais. T'es trop haut perchée pour moi, et j'ai pas le gout à polemiquer. Je te laisse donc baigner dans ton jus sirupeux et à tes illusions utopiques. Moi ce que je connais de la Birmanie, c'est la réalité que vit le peuple au quotidien, alors tes fables, tu les racconteras a quelqun d'autre. seeu
et ils s'expriment!!
wouais, wouais. T'es trop haut perchée pour moi, et j'ai pas le gout à polemiquer. Je te laisse donc baigner dans ton jus sirupeux et à tes illusions utopiques. Moi ce que je connais de la Birmanie, c'est la réalité que vit le peuple au quotidien, alors tes fables, tu les racconteras a quelqun d'autre. seeu
bonjour,
je suis stupefaite de ce que vous écrivez; quels sont donc vos critères du voyage? la beauté du voyage n'est pas uniquement dans la beauté
des paysages ou l'asepsie d'un regard carte postale...il me semble que tout départ vers la différence est d'abord un abandon à l'essentiel,
à la rencontre de l'autre humain, pour y apprendre simplement l'humilité ! Je suis allée en Birmanie et j'y ai capté quelques messages qui font plutot
du bien à l'ame....je vous inviterais bien à écouter de plus près l'histoire et la philosophie de ce pays...quelques lumières éclaireront j'espère votre
approche un peu consumérisme.
Je m'attendais a une reflexion vis a vis du Myanmar, et non pas une lecon d'apprentissage au voyage... Je n'ai pas a me justifier sur ma facon de voyager, et mon approche, est loin d'etre consumeriste, et si vous me le demandez, je vous en offrirais gracieusement les panels de mes vertues de gentils voyageurs, voire meme de cooperation a l'etranger... (et oui, ca m'est deja arrive de parler avec des locaux, voire de vivre chez eux, voire meme de les heberger en France, oui, je suis un peu foufou!!!) . Tout ca pour dire que d'apres les retours que j'ai eu de la Birmanie, je m'attendais a un pays magnifique et qui s'ouvrait, et finalement ca me parait loin de tout ca... A bonne entendeur
je suis stupefaite de ce que vous écrivez; quels sont donc vos critères du voyage? la beauté du voyage n'est pas uniquement dans la beauté
des paysages ou l'asepsie d'un regard carte postale...il me semble que tout départ vers la différence est d'abord un abandon à l'essentiel,
à la rencontre de l'autre humain, pour y apprendre simplement l'humilité ! Je suis allée en Birmanie et j'y ai capté quelques messages qui font plutot
du bien à l'ame....je vous inviterais bien à écouter de plus près l'histoire et la philosophie de ce pays...quelques lumières éclaireront j'espère votre
approche un peu consumérisme.
Je m'attendais a une reflexion vis a vis du Myanmar, et non pas une lecon d'apprentissage au voyage... Je n'ai pas a me justifier sur ma facon de voyager, et mon approche, est loin d'etre consumeriste, et si vous me le demandez, je vous en offrirais gracieusement les panels de mes vertues de gentils voyageurs, voire meme de cooperation a l'etranger... (et oui, ca m'est deja arrive de parler avec des locaux, voire de vivre chez eux, voire meme de les heberger en France, oui, je suis un peu foufou!!!) . Tout ca pour dire que d'apres les retours que j'ai eu de la Birmanie, je m'attendais a un pays magnifique et qui s'ouvrait, et finalement ca me parait loin de tout ca... A bonne entendeur
Chris-M
Ma réponse ne t'est pas adressée personnellement, mais comme tu as lancé le sujet, il te concerne également.
Je pense, qu'avant de vous étriper pour savoir si oui ou non ce pays "vaut" la peine d'être visité ou non, je vous suggère de vous informer de manière non exhaustive sur la situation réelle actuelle et non sur les dictats des agences de voyage ou de la propagande gouvernementale en consultant ces sites :
www.altsean.org/ www.irrawaddy.org et en vous plongeant, si vous e avez le courage, dans un ouvrage assez énorme, il faut bien le dire, sur la "Birmanie contemporaine" édité sous la direction de Gabriel Defert.
Je pense, qu'avant de vous étriper pour savoir si oui ou non ce pays "vaut" la peine d'être visité ou non, je vous suggère de vous informer de manière non exhaustive sur la situation réelle actuelle et non sur les dictats des agences de voyage ou de la propagande gouvernementale en consultant ces sites :
www.altsean.org/ www.irrawaddy.org et en vous plongeant, si vous e avez le courage, dans un ouvrage assez énorme, il faut bien le dire, sur la "Birmanie contemporaine" édité sous la direction de Gabriel Defert.
Je le lirai avec plaisir lors de mon retour en France. Cependant , mon idée était loin des propositions des agences de voyage, mais plutôt des sensations, des récits des touristes sur les forums, et je m'apprêtais à voyager dans un pays où les touristes sont reclus... Mais je n'y ai pas trouvé grand intérêt. Coopérer, travailler dans ce pays , pourquoi pas, mais le visiter en tant que tel... J'ai du mal à concevoir que le tourisme de masse qui est en train de s'y dessiner (dont j'ai fait parti, bien sûr), peut leur apporter une solution politique.
Chris-M
Ce ne sont pas les touristes qui sont reclus, mais la population, même si aujourd'hui il lui est plus aisé d'obtenir un passeport qu'il y a 2 ans.
En ce qui concerne le tourisme, on ne peut vraiment pas parler de tourisme de masse, à part l'afflux de fin d'année qui pose de vrais problèmes, l'infrastructure touristique ne pouvant faire face aux demandes. Le reste de l'année, on ne rencontre que peu voyageurs sur les sites ou ailleurs.
En ce qui concerne les paysages, évidemment si on se ballade avant la mousson, tout est brûlé, mais dès qu'il se met à pleuvoir, à part la plaine de Bagan qui reste malgré tout assez sèche, c'est très vert. (voir photo jointe qui est une exception).
Maintenant un pays qui a vécu plus de 40 années sous la férule d'une dictature sans pitié mettra des décennies avant de revenir à une vraie démocratie, car même si le gouvernement actuel fait les yeux doux aux investisseurs de tout poil pour renflouer ses caisses, il n'en reste pas moins que ces dirigeants sont et restent des militaires, même s'ils sont aujourd'hui "défroqués".
En ce qui concerne le tourisme, on ne peut vraiment pas parler de tourisme de masse, à part l'afflux de fin d'année qui pose de vrais problèmes, l'infrastructure touristique ne pouvant faire face aux demandes. Le reste de l'année, on ne rencontre que peu voyageurs sur les sites ou ailleurs.
En ce qui concerne les paysages, évidemment si on se ballade avant la mousson, tout est brûlé, mais dès qu'il se met à pleuvoir, à part la plaine de Bagan qui reste malgré tout assez sèche, c'est très vert. (voir photo jointe qui est une exception).
Maintenant un pays qui a vécu plus de 40 années sous la férule d'une dictature sans pitié mettra des décennies avant de revenir à une vraie démocratie, car même si le gouvernement actuel fait les yeux doux aux investisseurs de tout poil pour renflouer ses caisses, il n'en reste pas moins que ces dirigeants sont et restent des militaires, même s'ils sont aujourd'hui "défroqués".
je connais la situation politique de ce pays! lucide et partir à la rencontre des birmans c'est aussi aller entendre leur expression ...
et ils s'expriment!!
wouais, wouais. T'es trop haut perchée pour moi, et j'ai pas le gout à polemiquer. Je te laisse donc baigner dans ton jus sirupeux et à tes illusions utopiques. Moi ce que je connais de la Birmanie, c'est la réalité que vit le peuple au quotidien, alors tes fables, tu les racconteras a quelqun d'autre. seeu
Je viens de m'inscrire à ce forum, et suis triste de voir un tel manque de respect !!! Tu n'as pas répondu à la question " es-tu allé en Birmanie ?" Que connais-tu de ce pays ? Si tu y es allé et que tu exprimes ton ressenti, alors je dois accepter ton analyse, car chacun est libre d'apprécier ou non un pays visité et ses habitants. Mais j'ai plutôt l'impression que tu dissertes dans le vide, sans connaître?!?!? Je ne suis ni aveuglée par les bons sentiments, ni naïve, je voyage en Asie depuis des années et je peux admettre que l'on soit très critique envers les agissements d'un gouvernement pourri.
Mais j'ai beaucoup de peine à accepter que certaines personnes se permettent de juger sans qu'ils donnent l'impression de connaître leur sujet !!! Tu dis ne pas avoir le goût à polémiquer, alors tais-toi ou affine un peu tes jugements afin que je puisse accepter tes arguments !!!
et ils s'expriment!!
wouais, wouais. T'es trop haut perchée pour moi, et j'ai pas le gout à polemiquer. Je te laisse donc baigner dans ton jus sirupeux et à tes illusions utopiques. Moi ce que je connais de la Birmanie, c'est la réalité que vit le peuple au quotidien, alors tes fables, tu les racconteras a quelqun d'autre. seeu
Je viens de m'inscrire à ce forum, et suis triste de voir un tel manque de respect !!! Tu n'as pas répondu à la question " es-tu allé en Birmanie ?" Que connais-tu de ce pays ? Si tu y es allé et que tu exprimes ton ressenti, alors je dois accepter ton analyse, car chacun est libre d'apprécier ou non un pays visité et ses habitants. Mais j'ai plutôt l'impression que tu dissertes dans le vide, sans connaître?!?!? Je ne suis ni aveuglée par les bons sentiments, ni naïve, je voyage en Asie depuis des années et je peux admettre que l'on soit très critique envers les agissements d'un gouvernement pourri.
Mais j'ai beaucoup de peine à accepter que certaines personnes se permettent de juger sans qu'ils donnent l'impression de connaître leur sujet !!! Tu dis ne pas avoir le goût à polémiquer, alors tais-toi ou affine un peu tes jugements afin que je puisse accepter tes arguments !!!
Je viens de m'inscrire à ce forum, et suis triste de voir un tel manque de respect !!!
Bin voyon 😏comme la vie est bien faite. Tu découvres aujourd’hui ce forum et tu t’inscrit spécialement pour répondre à ce post précis ? T’avais rien d’autre a demander ? tu ne planifies pas un proche voyage ? tu n’a pas quelque chose à partager avec la communauté ? Bizarre de s’inscrire juste pour ça. Tu sais, c’est pas reluisant de se faire plusieurs pseudos pour pouvoir naviguer en mode couleuvre
Tu n'as pas répondu à la question " es-tu allé en Birmanie ?"
Bien que cela ne te regarde pas, et que je n’ai pas à me justifie, je répondrai que oui. Et toi ?😛
Que connais-tu de ce pays ?
Je connais ce qui se passe hors de l’autoroute touristique doré que tu sembles tant apprécier. Aux hommes on impose des zones interdites et aux chevaux, des œillères, mais le résultat est le même : Marcher droit devant, sans se poser de questions.
Si tu y es allé et que tu exprimes ton ressenti, alors je dois accepter ton analyse, car chacun est libre d'apprécier ou non un pays visité et ses habitants.
J'ai déjà exprimé mon resenti, et tu n'est pas obligée d'adhérer à mes idées. Vas en Birmanie autant que tu veux, je m’en moque puissance 12
Mais j'ai plutôt l'impression que tu dissertes dans le vide, sans connaître?!?!?
C'est toi qui est entrain de me juger sans me connaitre 😉
Je ne suis ni aveuglée par les bons sentiments, ni naïve, je voyage en Asie depuis des années et je peux admettre que l'on soit très critique envers les agissements d'un gouvernement pourri.
Vraiment ? Voilà une phrase en pleine contradictions avec tes agissements 😉
Tu dis ne pas avoir le goût à polémiquer, alors tais-toi ou affine un peu tes jugements afin que je puisse accepter tes arguments !!!
Relaxes-toi. Tu n'as pas a accepter mes arguments si ils ne te plaisent pas. Contrairement au peuple Birman, tu est libre de faire ou penser ce que bon te sembles, et je ne suis pas un dictateur. Tu vois, tout vas bien 🙂
Mais j'ai beaucoup de peine à accepter que certaines personnes se permettent de juger sans qu'ils donnent l'impression de connaître leur sujet !!!
J'ai répondu à toutes tes questions de neuneu. Maintenant, à toi de répondre à une seule de mes questions: Au fait, que me reproches-tu EXACTEMENT ? Qu'ai-je dit qui t'as offusquée à ce point ? Réponds.
Bin voyon 😏comme la vie est bien faite. Tu découvres aujourd’hui ce forum et tu t’inscrit spécialement pour répondre à ce post précis ? T’avais rien d’autre a demander ? tu ne planifies pas un proche voyage ? tu n’a pas quelque chose à partager avec la communauté ? Bizarre de s’inscrire juste pour ça. Tu sais, c’est pas reluisant de se faire plusieurs pseudos pour pouvoir naviguer en mode couleuvre
Tu n'as pas répondu à la question " es-tu allé en Birmanie ?"
Bien que cela ne te regarde pas, et que je n’ai pas à me justifie, je répondrai que oui. Et toi ?😛
Que connais-tu de ce pays ?
Je connais ce qui se passe hors de l’autoroute touristique doré que tu sembles tant apprécier. Aux hommes on impose des zones interdites et aux chevaux, des œillères, mais le résultat est le même : Marcher droit devant, sans se poser de questions.
Si tu y es allé et que tu exprimes ton ressenti, alors je dois accepter ton analyse, car chacun est libre d'apprécier ou non un pays visité et ses habitants.
J'ai déjà exprimé mon resenti, et tu n'est pas obligée d'adhérer à mes idées. Vas en Birmanie autant que tu veux, je m’en moque puissance 12
Mais j'ai plutôt l'impression que tu dissertes dans le vide, sans connaître?!?!?
C'est toi qui est entrain de me juger sans me connaitre 😉
Je ne suis ni aveuglée par les bons sentiments, ni naïve, je voyage en Asie depuis des années et je peux admettre que l'on soit très critique envers les agissements d'un gouvernement pourri.
Vraiment ? Voilà une phrase en pleine contradictions avec tes agissements 😉
Tu dis ne pas avoir le goût à polémiquer, alors tais-toi ou affine un peu tes jugements afin que je puisse accepter tes arguments !!!
Relaxes-toi. Tu n'as pas a accepter mes arguments si ils ne te plaisent pas. Contrairement au peuple Birman, tu est libre de faire ou penser ce que bon te sembles, et je ne suis pas un dictateur. Tu vois, tout vas bien 🙂
Mais j'ai beaucoup de peine à accepter que certaines personnes se permettent de juger sans qu'ils donnent l'impression de connaître leur sujet !!!
J'ai répondu à toutes tes questions de neuneu. Maintenant, à toi de répondre à une seule de mes questions: Au fait, que me reproches-tu EXACTEMENT ? Qu'ai-je dit qui t'as offusquée à ce point ? Réponds.
Ca vire au n'importe quoi. Entre le grand défenseur de la cause birmane qui vis tranquille au Canada (si je m'en réfère à vos informations) et qui ose critiquer Pinochet à moins de 5000km de Santiago, pour plagier un certain Pierre, et les bigots qui ne jurent que leur passion aveugle c'est un dialogue de sourd. D'ailleurs je regrette d'y avoir mis les mains au début.
Ce qui est fait est fait, mais là on touche le fond. Que ceux qui veulent aller en Birmanie y aille, que les autres s'abstiennent. Ca c'est pas un cas de conscience pour moi, pas plus que de vivre dans un pays qui a mis un Flamby sur le trône 😄
Ce qui est fait est fait, mais là on touche le fond. Que ceux qui veulent aller en Birmanie y aille, que les autres s'abstiennent. Ca c'est pas un cas de conscience pour moi, pas plus que de vivre dans un pays qui a mis un Flamby sur le trône 😄
Je ne comprend pas ce que viens foutre le Canada et Pinochet dans ce me.dier, mais on est d'accord sur un point. Chacun fait ce qu'il veux. je ne suis ni flic, ni juge, ni curé, ni modo.
Chacun sa M et dieux pour tous.
Je préfère rire et ne pas m'offusquer !!!
Eh oui je viens de m'inscrire à ce forum, car je voyage depuis plus de
40 ans, et je pensais pouvoir échanger avec des gens équilibrés et sans prise de tête.
Je ne me suis pas inscrite pour cette discussion précise, mais il se trouve qu'elle m'a intéressée et j'ai eu envie de réagir...
Je n'écris pas sous plusieurs pseudos, et je dois être bien naïve pour avoir osé imaginer que j'allais pouvoir avoir des échanges avec des voyageurs ayant réellement visité les pays que j'apprécie, et non avec des gens qui, me semble-t-il n'ont jamais mis les pieds dans les pays dont ils parlent!
Ciao et bonne nuit
bien sûr, bien sûr 😉 que d'arguments 😏
Et ma réponse ???
Histoire de relancer le débat: La Birmanie, Pourquoi pas ??
"Nous apprécions beaucoup la sincérité de ton récit et de ton ressenti à l'issu de ce voyage."
Merci, je ne m'attendais pas a tant de reconnaissance
"Voila un excellent exemple de ce que devrait être le forum. Heureusement pour l'Indonésie, les gens du forum sont assez ouverts d'esprit. Il n'en va pas de même sur la partie Thailande ou Vietnam de VF"
Et je rajoute desormais le Myanmar si vous me le permettez...
" où sitôt que quelqu'un émet une opinion perso qui contredit l'image carte postale - prospectus papier glaçé de ces nations, il se fait remettre en boîte de manière pas toujours courtoise par certains membres (presque toujours les mêmes d'ailleurs) "
Je n'irai pas jusque la, mais presque
Ce message que je transfere est a mediter. Simplement transfere d'une autre discussion, qui ne m'a jamais ete dediee, mais que je trouve interessante a vous faire part. Sur ce, je vous quitte, et desole de ne pas avoir reussi a aboutir a un debat constructif.
(et desole pour l'absence d'accent)
Ce message que je transfere est a mediter. Simplement transfere d'une autre discussion, qui ne m'a jamais ete dediee, mais que je trouve interessante a vous faire part. Sur ce, je vous quitte, et desole de ne pas avoir reussi a aboutir a un debat constructif.
(et desole pour l'absence d'accent)
Chris-M
Merci de ce petit message.
J’aimerais ajouter que se poser la question de se rendre en Birmanie est légitime, par contre les commentaires péremptoires et moralisateurs de certains ne le sont malheureusement pas . Personne de peut prétendre à la légitimité de se rendre dans ce pays ou non. Venir en Birmanie est un choix de responsabilité personnelle et individuelle.
J’aimerais ajouter que se poser la question de se rendre en Birmanie est légitime, par contre les commentaires péremptoires et moralisateurs de certains ne le sont malheureusement pas . Personne de peut prétendre à la légitimité de se rendre dans ce pays ou non. Venir en Birmanie est un choix de responsabilité personnelle et individuelle.
Venir en Birmanie est un choix de responsabilité personnelle et individuelle.
Exactement. je suis 100% d'accord avec ça. ça permet de faire un tri.
Exactement. je suis 100% d'accord avec ça. ça permet de faire un tri.
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I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
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Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
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I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
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Hi,
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Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
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After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
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Hi there,
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I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
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Hi there,
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Thanks in advance for your help.
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Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.






