D'après cet article de Bloomberg (malheureusement en anglais), le gouvernement chinois aurait demandé aux fournisseurs d'accès à internet en Chine de bloquer l'accès aux VPN d'ici Février 2018 au plus tard...
www.bloomberg.com/...nal-vpns-by-february
Si cette information était confirmée, cela serait un sacré chambardement, non seulement pour les touristes et les voyageurs, mais aussi pour toutes les entreprises étrangères qui travaillent sur place...
ce qui veux dire? j'ai prévu de prendre un VPN pour mon séjour en aout/octobre. j'espère que ca va encore fonctionner?
il me semblait que les VPN installé lorsqu'on est à l'exterieur de la Chine ne pouvaient pas être tracé en chine. alors dans ce cas, comment vont-ils bloquer les VPN?
désolée si la question est nulle, je suis pas une experte. :-D
il me semblait que les VPN installé lorsqu'on est à l'exterieur de la Chine ne pouvaient pas être tracé en chine. alors dans ce cas, comment vont-ils bloquer les VPN?
Ce n'est pas comme cela que cela fonctionne.
Lorsque vous utilisez un VPN, les sites auxquels vous accédez ne peuvent pas être tracés... mais votre utilisation du VPN lui-même peut l'être (dans la plupart des cas)
il me semblait que les VPN installés lorsqu'on est à l'exterieur de la Chine ne pouvaient pas être tracés en chine. alors dans ce cas, comment vont-ils bloquer les VPN?
Bonjour,
Jusqu'en 2015, même les petits VPN gratuits fonctionnaient. Mais en 2016 la Chine a fait une grande offensive contre les VPN et seuls quelqu'uns des plus costauds passent encore au travers. Mais ils sont tous tracés, même si installé en france. Il faut donc en choisir un qui permet de basculer sur un autre serveur un fois que tu es repéré.
Sinon demander aux fournisseurs d'accès de bloquer certains sites est très long à mettre en place. On est tranquille pour 6 mois au moins. Enfin je l'espère, je serais là bas en octobre.
Ah, ok, je comprend. et donc, comment savoir quel VPN est bloqué? en gros, les plus connus vont être ciblés, non? parce que je cherche un plan B! lol
D'ailleurs a HK, y'a pas besoin de VPN? si? alors lequel fonctionne la bas? :-)
merci
sabrina
Au contraire, les gros acteurs (Astrill, Pure, etc.) sont plutôt bien organisés pour jouer au chat et à la souris avec les autorités en multipliant leurs serveurs. Les tout petits sont plus aléatoires (ils peuvent cesser de fonctionner du jour au lendemain).
Les gros ont un autre avantage: ils ont souvent une offre "découverte" gratuite qui fonctionne pendant quelques semaines, et que vous pouvez mettre à profit pour profiter du service gratuitement pendant votre voyage, avant de résilier à votre retour.
Sinon je confirme que nous n'avons aucun besoin de VPN à HK.
alors, comme cela j'en apprends de plus en plus sur les VPN. tant mieux si HK est "libre", même si cela ne fait pas partie de mon voyage cette fois.
du coup, après des recherches :
Astrill aurait des problèmes depuis le début d'année.
je recherche donc les autres du marché, de "gros acteurs"!
il y a Hide my ass, Express vpn et Pure vpn... (n'hésitez pas à me dire si il y en a qui fonctionne mieux là bas!)
mon voyage étant de 45 jours, j'aurai un eee pc et un téléphone portable. vu que tous propose un mois gratuit, pensez vous qu'il soit possible de :
-avant le départ prendre un vpn depuis la France, utiliser le mois gratuit en chine et depuis la chine en installer un autre et résilier le premier?
de plus, je compte prendre une carte sim chinoise à l'aéroport de Pékin, cela peut-il est un pb?
vu que :
"L'opérateur de télécoms chinois Guangzhou Huoyun Information Technology a ainsi annoncé avoir commencé à bloquer les VPN depuis le 18 juillet 2017." mais je ne sais pas quel réseau il fait celui là.
et que :
Pour une carte sim en tant qu'étranger, il est obligatoire d'enregistrer l'identité de l'acheteur et que les petites boutiques ne sont apparemment pas équipés pour prendre la référence d'un passeport étranger, j'ai donc la possibilité avec China Mobile à un kiosque au terminal 3 à PEK mais que pour la 4G, il est préférable d'aller chez China Unicom (qui est plus mon choix, mais je sais pas si ils sont à l'aéroport)
lors de cet enregistrement d'identité, je suppose que le rapport est fait entre le numéro de la carte sim chinoise et l'identité et donc, le numéro de série du téléphone? et que les autorités ont peut être la possibilité de nous tracer?
dans ce cas, il vaut peut être mieux ne pas avoir le vpn sur le téléphone?
merci de vos réponses à tous, en tout cas elles m'aident à m'organiser.
sabrina
Astrill aurait des problèmes depuis le début d'année.
je recherche donc les autres du marché, de "gros acteurs"!
Tous partagent les mêmes soucis: les contre-mesures s'intensifient et ils jouent au chat et à la souris afin de contourner les mesures techniques prises par les autorités.
mon voyage étant de 45 jours, j'aurai un eee pc et un téléphone portable. vu que tous propose un mois gratuit, pensez vous qu'il soit possible de :
-avant le départ prendre un vpn depuis la France, utiliser le mois gratuit en chine et depuis la chine en installer un autre et résilier le premier?
Compliqué. L'accès à ces sites est soumis aux mêmes restrictions donc vous ne pourrez accéder à l'installation du 2e VPN qu'en utilisant le premier... Aussi, les logiciels entrent souvent en conflit entre eux sur les ordinateurs donc vous devrez sans doute désinstaller le premier pour installer le second. Si jamais quelque chose se passe mal au milieu de l'opération, vous serez bloqués avec le premier arrêté et le second pas encore actif.
Pour votre seconde question, que vous installiez le logiciel VPN sur votre ordinateur et/ou sur votre téléphone ne fait aucune différence. S'il est interdit de chercher à contourner le grand firewall, avoir et utiliser un VPN ne vous expose pas à la moindre amende. Bref vous ne risquez pas grand chose sinon constater que cela ne fonctionne pas le cas échéant.
Vu le service que ce VPN vous rendra je vous invite à considérer l'option de payer pour le second mois ou de vous passer de VPN:
- soit en vous déconnectant
- soit en utilisant d'autres solutions que google: le moteur de recherche de Microsoft (Bing) fonctionne ainsi que les wego.here.com à la place de Google Maps. Créez-vous une adresse autre que gmail (laposte, gmx, protonmail etc. ne sont pas filtrés)
Enfin, en plan B vous pouvez tenter d'utiliser Tor Browser (suivez les instructions spécifiques ici pour configurer l'option Meek, sans quoi cela ne fonctionnera pas)
Ok,
c'est plus sage en effet l'option payante. je dois encore regarder pour les abonnements au mois et pas sur 1 an. dans ce cas, je prendrais deux mois pour le temps du séjour.
soit en utilisant d'autres solutions que google: le moteur de recherche de Microsoft (Bing) fonctionne ainsi que les wego.here.com à la place de Google Maps
Sur Iphone, avec une version mise a jour tres recemment, je n ai toujours pas de carte de la chine (seulement HK et macao)
jusqu en juin, apple plans fonctionnait sans VPN, plutot bien meme puisque les itineraires avec les transports en commun fonctionnent a shenzhen et a canton au moins. plans fonctionne bcp mieux d ailleurs que googlemaps, dont les cartes souffrent d un decalage par rapport au GPS, googlemaps peut servir pour consulter une carte, planifier des itineraires, consulter les vues satellites... en tenant compte du decallage, mais pas pour un guidage GPS
j ai lu des trucs qui me font penser que ce sera bientot de l histoire ancienne, mais en juin, ma carte SIM cross border china unicom achetee a hong kong me donnait encore des datas mobiles en chine continentale sans filtrage (en tout cas gmail et googlemaps fonctionnaient sans VPN)
https://www.cuniq.com/hk_en/data-card/great-china/cross-border-king-hkno.html
plans fonctionne bcp mieux d ailleurs que googlemaps, dont les cartes souffrent d un decalage par rapport au GPS, googlemaps peut servir pour consulter une carte, planifier des itineraires, consulter les vues satellites... en tenant compte du decallage, mais pas pour un guidage GPS
J'ai lu sur ce décalage mais je n'ai jamais eu ce problème. J'utilise Google maps pour naviguer à tous mes voyages et c'était très précis. Je l'utilise presque toujours quand je conduit et les instructions vocales sont précise. du genre "tournez à droite dans 100 mètres", exactement 100 mètres avant l'intersection. Ça fonctionne aussi bien dans des grandes villes comme Beijing, Shanghai etc que dans des endroits plus reculés comme dans le Gansu.
Donc je me demande si ce décalage est réel ou c'est une histoire que les gens ont lu et répètent sans l'avoir expérimenté.
Donc je me demande si ce décalage est réel ou c'est une histoire que les gens ont lu et répètent sans l'avoir expérimenté.
j habite a shenzhen depuis un an, testé et re testé, il arrive parfois sans que j 'ai la moindre idee de la raison que googlemaps soit calé correctement, mais c est tellement rare que je ne l utilise quasiment jamais
de plus apple plans fonctionne avec ET sans VPN, comme on est +ou- oblige de jongler sans arret, c est un detail pas negligeable
Donc je me demande si ce décalage est réel ou c'est une histoire que les gens ont lu et répètent sans l'avoir expérimenté.
sur mon iphone j ai testé apple plans, googlemaps, la carto de tencent, de baidu, de wechat, maps me
Les raisons resumees ci dessous semblent plausibles et coherentes avec ce que j ai observe, la plupart du temps (mais pas tout le temps), google maps donne une position a distance (quelques dizaines de metres) tandis que toutes les autres app te donnent une position correcte
en comparant les apps, je retrouve la bonne position sur googlemaps, pas ininteressant parce qu il y a des infos ecrites en pinyin differentes d apple plans et de maps me
par contre pour le guidage, ca rend googlemapsinutilisable.
apple plans marche avec ou sans VPN, avec un guidage en francais, des infos et des recherches en pinyin, c est donc devenu mon outil privilegie pour le pas a pas
Mars Coordinates, or GCJ-02 datum, is precisely why you cannot depend on GPS in China. While the rest of the world uses the most common GPS standard known as the World Geodetic System 1984, or WGS-84, for all digital mapping products, China chose to adopt a system of coordinates that debuted during the Cold War era to bamboozle foreign intelligence agencies. GCJ-02’s algorithmic offset means your real location could be up to 500 meters east, west, north or south (yes, it’s that random) of what you see on the map.
Oui, bonne remarque, moi qui utilise beaucoup la cartographie sur smartphone, j'ai souvent été gêné par ce décalage entre les tracés plan et tracés satellite.
Cela vient du fait que dans les années 2008 quand google et la Chine étaient en froid total, google n' a plus voulu mettre à jour ce genre de problème.
Par contre on peut contourner le problème en utilisant la version chinoise de Google maps qui s'appelle ditu.Google Maps.cn sur laquelle des positions sont exactes.
je continue mes lectures, bien interessantes sur le sujet du decalage. Au passage, pour la pertinence par rapport au fil, c est vrai que la partie VPN dont je parle ne concerne "que" les voyageurs qui utilisent la carto sur smartphone, il doit quand meme y en avoir 2 ou 3
donc un autre extrait: les systeme de coordonnees GPS adopte par la chine est ou a été un veritable enjeux strategique et politique: les lois chinoises exigent (ou ont exigé a certaines periodes, ou exigent des services qui ne leur plaisent pas) que les tel ou les app n utilisent pas d algo de correction
source: http://geoawesomeness.com/china-messing-gps-coordinates/
Regulations also demand that all foreign handheld devices must also display the offset or merely disable their GPS functions. Which is why, if your phone or camera detects it is in Chinese territory, its geo-tagging ability becomes bizarrely compromised.
encore un truc qu il faudra que je teste quand j y retourne:
Il existe (ou a existé) une version chinoise de google (avec les frontieres qui plaisent au gouvernement chinois par exemple) sur le web: ditu.google.cn
mais je n ai jamais vu cette option sur l appli iOS
D'après cet article de Bloomberg (malheureusement en anglais), le gouvernement chinois aurait demandé aux fournisseurs d'accès à internet en Chine de bloquer l'accès aux VPN d'ici Février 2018 au plus tard...
www.bloomberg.com/...nal-vpns-by-february
Si cette information était confirmée, cela serait un sacré chambardement, non seulement pour les touristes et les voyageurs, mais aussi pour toutes les entreprises étrangères qui travaillent sur place...
Apple pulls major VPN from China App Store
ExpressVPN, a British Virgin Islands-based virtual private network (VPN) provider, said its iOS app had been removed from the store.
A notice from Apple said the software “includes content that is illegal in China, which is not in compliance with the App Store review guidelines”, and the decision was made on Saturday, according to ExpressVPN.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2104610/apple-pulls-major-vpn-china-app-store
et ce n est pas le seul article qui confirme cette hypothese
Je serai en Chine trois semaines en septembre et je compte bien mettre un VPN sur mon smartphone Android pour avoir accès à mes appli Google... désolé mais "We Chat" je m'y fait pas 😛
Bon en 2015 j'ai utilisé Express VPN qui passait quasiment partout...payant mais rapide et efficace. Apparemment Express VPN n'est plus proposé sur l'Apple store mais fonctionne bien en Chine...
Ici il y a une liste de 5 services qui passerait encore ( du moins l'article est pas daté avec précision, mais il est de cette année )
fr.vpnmentor.com/...liste-verifiee-2017/
Vue l'article ci-dessous posté par Renaudsechet , c'est ptet mieux d'installer NordVPN non?
Bon en 2015 j'ai utilisé Express VPN qui passait quasiment partout...payant mais rapide et efficace. Apparemment Express VPN n'est plus proposé sur l'Apple store mais fonctionne bien en Chine...
Express VPN n'est plus proposé sur l'Apple store CHINOIS
Il l'est encore sur l'Apple Store français par exemple, De toute façon, Même avant, il fallait le télécharger et le configurer avant d'arriver en Chine.
en juin, a ma connaissance, astrill et express vpn marchaient encore
Express VPN n'est plus proposé sur l'Apple store CHINOIS
En effet confirmé par Express VPN eux même que leur service fonctionne toujours en Chine. Pour ma part je partirai avec ça vue qu'il ont un forfait services au mois abordable.
Mais il faut suivre mois par mois à mon avis. Ca va évoluer.
Pour activer un service VPN, votre ordinateur se connecte à une adresse IP distante. Les services de contrôle disposent d'une base de donnée des fournisseurs de service VPN. Ainsi toute tentative de connexion à une de ces adresses sera rejetée par "la grande muraille de Chine"
Par contre si c'est un VPN privé ou un VPN d'entreprise, ça peut le faire. Tout dépend comment ils sont configurés.
En effet les robots de la grande muraille balayent en permanence tout le réseau internet pour déconnecter les VPN.
Mais , il y a un mais, Express VPN dispose de plusieurs serveurs hors Chine très facilement basculables.
Ainsi lorsque lorsque votre VPN est repéré, ce qui n'arrive au plus que 3 ou 4 fois dans une semaine, avec Express VPN un seul clic pour basculer sur un autre serveur et c'est reparti pour un tour.
Personnellement je n'ai pas trop été géné par la censure ces derniers temps en utilisant Express VPN. Et il y a de grandes chances que cela continue au moins jusqu'à la fin de l'année.
Mais, il y a un mais, Express VPN dispose de plusieurs serveurs hors Chine très facilement basculables. Ainsi lorsque lorsque votre VPN est repéré, ce qui n'arrive au plus que 3 ou 4 fois dans une semaine, avec Express VPN un seul clic pour basculer sur un autre serveur et c'est reparti pour un tour.
Toutes les offres de VPN payantes fonctionnent sur ce principe.
Un autre aspect important, totalement hors de notre contrôle, et qui peut pousser le gouvernement chinois à "fermer les robinets" est l'actualité internationale. Si les choses venaient notamment à escalader plus que de raisonnable en Corée du Sud, il y a fort à parier qu'une bonne partie des fournisseurs de VPNs aient soudainement plus de soucis qu'à la normale pour maintenir leur service.
Plan b, intaller baidu moteur de recherches chinois installer aussi baidu antivitus.
C'est simple. Ne pas chercher a aller sur facebook ou autres. Simplement envoyez des mails. Moi, je garde les cartes sd de mon appareil photos que je rentre dans l'ordi en rentrant. Effectivement, il est question d'interdire les vpn. Par ailleurs, les VPN sont reconnaissables facilement sur facebook. Les adresses apparaisse sous forme de carré avec un x a l'intetieur.
Plan b, intaller baidu moteur de recherches chinois installer aussi baidu antivitus. C'est simple. Ne pas chercher a aller sur facebook ou autres.
En même temps si on parle de VPN ici, c'est pour aller sur les services Google, Facebook et autres, sinon on aurait pas ouvert le sujet VPN sur le forum...😏
Par contre ouvrir un compte mail de secours chez Yahoo par exemple, ou aller sur ce moteur de recherche, effectivement ça peut aider quand le VPN/proxy passe pas...quoi que vous faite quoi si vous ne lisez pas le chinois? Les sites et les vidéos qui ressortent via ce moteur tout comme l'équivalent Youtube ( Youku ) sont en chinois..
Il y aussi Wechat ( un Whap App amélioré selon moi ), plus qu'utile en Chine, de toute façon , si on rencontre quelqu'un en Chine, on communique via Wechat.
Nous sommes en mars/avril 2018 , les derniers messages datent de mi 2017...depuis ils ont du renforcer leur système chez les fournisseurs d'accès...et c'est peut être donc plus compliqué pour les VPN aujourdhui...C'est intéressent de voir l'évolution..
Si tu telecharge baidu depuis la france, tu as beaucoup de sites en français ou en anglais. Personnellement, quand je suis en voyage j'en profite pour deconnecter. L'ordi me permet de trouver l'hotel du lendemain et d'envoyer un mail de temps en temps.
J'étais en Chine tout le mois d'avril (2018) dernier. J'ai utilisé VPN Master et Turbo VPN, version gratuite sans aucun souci (sur Androïd). Même chose pour ma conjointe qui utilisait un autre VPN gratuit. Donc, cette histoire m'apparaît peu crédible. Toutefois, pour avoir rencontré un Québécois qui vit à Shanghai depuis des années, il a remarqué que la censure est de plus en plus présente mais que les Chinois continuent à utiliser des VPN et à les faire installer en visitant la parenté (hum hum) à Hong Kong.
je me rends en chine (liaoning) la semaine prochaine.
comment utiliser le VPN ? comment y accéder si je télécharge depuis la France?
y'a une icône Master ou celui de Turbo?
et est-ce que je peux accéder à mon yahoo mail sans vpn?
Je réponds a tous. Pourquoi vous compliquer la vie, alors qu'il existe un moteur de recherches et son anti-virus fiable, Que ceux qui résident en Chine en éprouvent le besoin, ok. Par compte, pour les vacances, deconnestez-vous.
Je réponds a tous. Pourquoi vous compliquer la vie, alors qu'il existe un moteur de recherches et son anti-virus fiable, Que ceux qui résident en Chine en éprouvent le besoin, ok. Par compte, pour les vacances, deconnestez-vous.
Bonjour,
J'ai des collègues qui ont besoin de déconnecter pour profiter de leurs vacances.
A contrario, c'est précisément parce que je garde une veille informatique pendant mes vacances que j'en profite pleinement, sachant que je n'aurai aucune mauvaise surprise au retour.
Chacun son équilibre vie privée / vie professionnelle.
Même combat !
En vacances on se déconnecte!!!!!!!
Et même en temps ordinaire on peut vivre sans facebook sans tweeter sans google etc.... et avoir une vie sur le net sans CEUX QUI FONT DE NOUS DES MARCHANDISES!
Je le sais je le fais!
🙂
Même combat !
En vacances on se déconnecte!!!!!!!
Et même en temps ordinaire on peut vivre sans facebook sans tweeter sans google etc.... et avoir une vie sur le net sans CEUX QUI FONT DE NOUS DES MARCHANDISES!
Je le sais je le fais!
🙂
Très bien, bravo. Mais laissez les autres faire ce qu'ils veulent 🙂
je me rends en chine (liaoning) la semaine prochaine.
comment utiliser le VPN ? comment y accéder si je télécharge depuis la France?
y'a une icône Master ou celui de Turbo?
et est-ce que je peux accéder à mon yahoo mail sans vpn?
Installer les VPN gratuits avant de partir (de la France) afin de vous familiariser avec son fonctionnement. Démarrer le VPN, vous allez trouver un bouton "Connecter". Le VPN va chercher le meilleur endroit (comprendre pays/ville) pour se connecter. Vous n'avez aucune configuration à faire. Vous allez recevoir la réponse si ça fonctionné dans l'application elle-même. Une fois une réponse "positive" reçue, ouvrir votre courriel pour voir si vous avez accès (un VPN va ralentir la communication). Si la connection ne fonctionne pas, recommencer 2-3 fois et sinon essayer un autre VPN. En installer au moins 2 avant de partir pour la Chine. Pour Yahoo, je ne sais mais même si cela fonctionne, pourquoi ne pas activer votre VPN pour avoir une communication protégée? Un VPN encrypte toutes échanges que vous faites avec votre mobile ou portable (ou cellulaire).
C'est votre choix mais pas le choix de tout le monde.
Tant mieux si votre emploi vous permet de décrocher ainsi. Quand on est à son compte, on ne décroche jamais. Ce n'est pas comme avoir un emploi. On a le choix entre rester connecté ou rester à la maison. Et certains veulent garder le contact avec la famille. Vous faites vos choix, laissez les autres faire les leurs.
Merci pour votre réponse,
Là je suis à Dandong (où il pleut des cordes depuis ce matin) après un voyage en Corée du Nord.
Je n'ai trouvé aucun VPN qui fonctionne, je suppose qu'il faut payer, mais là c'est trop tard, finalement je passe par yahoo pour consulter les infos internationales
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The end of a golden age
For years, travel forums embodied the spirit of mutual aid on the web. Travelers generously shared their experiences, tips, and secret spots. This collective generosity seemed endless. But behind this altruistic facade lay a more complex reality.
The silent infiltration of forums
Free travel forums have gradually become marketing hunting grounds. Under the guise of "experienced travelers," professionals in tourism, affiliates seeking commissions, or aspiring influencers testing monetization strategies now lurk.
These fake profiles master the community’s codes. They build credibility by answering dozens of basic questions before subtly slipping in their paid recommendations. A "favorite" hotel mentioned insistently, an "essential" guidebook systematically cited, an "extraordinary" local agency that keeps coming up in conversations.
New travelers can no longer tell the difference between selfless advice and disguised promotion. This informational pollution has gradually eroded the trust that gave these platforms their value.
The rise of paid Travel Planners
Faced with this decline, a new profession has emerged: the independent Travel Planner. These professionals fully embrace their commercial status and charge for personalized advice.
The model is transparent: you pay for real expertise, tailor-made itineraries, and guaranteed availability. Some offer packages for 150-300 € to plan a two-week trip entirely. Others charge by the hour.
This professionalization marks a turning point. Travel advice is leaving the realm of volunteerism and entering the world of paid services. Paradoxically, this acknowledged monetization can restore a form of trust: you know what you’re paying for.
The irruption of artificial intelligence
But now, a third option is emerging: generative AI. ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and others can now generate travel itineraries in seconds, for free, with no commercial agenda.
AI promises neutral, synthetic, endlessly customizable information. It compiles thousands of sources in real time, suggests alternatives, and adapts recommendations to your budget and time constraints. It doesn’t sell anything, earns no commissions, and has no hotels to promote.
But this apparent neutrality hides its own limitations. AI feeds on existing data, often from the same polluted forums or marketing content. It can invent restaurants that don’t exist, mix up tourist seasons, or ignore recent local realities. It has never walked a city’s streets, negotiated with a tuk-tuk driver, or felt the atmosphere of a neighborhood at nightfall.
The forgotten alternative: authentic local experts
In this landscape saturated with dubious information, imperfect AI, and monetized services, one often-overlooked option remains: consulting real local professionals.
Not the agencies at the top of Google’s first page—often the most expensive and generic. But small local businesses, independent guides established for years, still-free municipal tourism offices, and cultural associations organizing themed tours.
These players offer what neither AI nor forums can: embodied, up-to-date, contextualized knowledge of the area. They know the newly opened restaurant, the museum temporarily closed for renovations, the impromptu weekend festival, or the alternative route to avoid construction.
Finding them takes extra effort. You have to search in the local language, look beyond the first page of results, check regional institutional websites, and join community Facebook groups. But this approach is often rewarded with free or low-cost advice of unmatched precision.
Toward an ecology of travel advice
The future of travel advice likely won’t be binary but hybrid. AI can rough out itineraries, propose logistical options, and compare alternatives. Travel Planners can refine, personalize, and reassure anxious travelers. Local experts can enrich, correct, and ground advice in on-the-ground reality.
But for this ecosystem to work, we’ll need to develop new discernment. Learn to spot fake profiles on forums. Systematically verify AI suggestions. Assess the real value of a Travel Planner before paying. And, above all, rediscover the habit of contacting those who live there directly.
Travel has always been a school of discernment. It teaches us to distinguish the authentic from the fake, sincere advice from commercial manipulation. In the digital age, this skill becomes more crucial than ever.
Because ultimately, the real question isn’t which information source to prioritize, but how to cultivate our own ability to evaluate, cross-check, and ultimately make informed choices. The best travel guide may still be our critical thinking.
Travel is, above all, a story of encounters.
Those that inspire us, guide us, and make us dream.
That’s why we’re happy to announce a partnership between Petit Futé and VoyageForum, two worlds that share the same passion: travel experienced and recounted by those who truly set off.
In practical terms, you can now find VoyageForum directly on PetitFuté.com, through:
Over 190 destinations linked to the forum: on each “Discover the destination” page, a “Travelers’ Forum” tab lets you access discussions, tips, and testimonials from travelers just like you.
A link to the forum in the “Community” menu under “Discover the forum”, where you can chat, ask questions, or simply dream about your next getaway.
This partnership marks a new step in giving travelers even more of a voice.
A way to connect practical information and lived experience, to share insights so everyone can plan their trips by relying on what’s most valuable: exchanges between enthusiasts.
Thanks to all of you who keep this wonderful community alive, day after day.
Because travel is even more beautiful when it’s shared
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I’ve kept quiet about them... to preserve them.
Those are the words of a passionate traveler who recently wrote to us.
For years, he’s been discovering rare, authentic places... and chooses to say nothing.
Out of respect. Out of fear of destruction. Out of love for secrecy.
What would you do?
You stumble upon a magical spot, still untouched by mass tourism.
Do you keep it to yourself... or do you open the door, gently, to other travelers?
At DIRECTRAVEL, we’re asking ourselves these questions.
Can sharing be an act of passing something on?
Or is it always the beginning of the end for these preserved places?
Read the article here.
We’ve got a little game for you (okay, it’s not a walk in the park—you’ll have to do some digging!) with DirecTravel: the prize is 5 nights for one person at the Nilaya Experience guesthouse, right in the heart of Kerala, India.
The stay is worth 700 €. It’s set in a magical spot among the rice fields, offering a relaxing and 100% authentic getaway, far from the noise, hosted by Raghu and Véronique.
How to enter is simple:
1- Head over to directravel.org.
2- Browse the site to find the answers to the 10 contest questions. Click here for the questions.
Each question includes a clue to guide you to the right page.
3- Answer all 10 questions correctly to validate your entry.
Contest Rules
The game is free and with no purchase necessary.
A random draw will be held on September 19, 2025, among all correct entries.
The winner will be contacted directly by DIRECTRAVEL.
The prize is non-transferable, non-exchangeable, and valid based on the accommodation’s availability.
What if your travel memories had a place in a real journal? 🌍
Back-to-school season is when we get back into our routines, but it’s also when we look back on the great memories from summer. We often promise ourselves we’ll organize our photos, jot down our stories… and then life gets busy. Those memories slowly fade, stuck in our phones...
Travel journals from MyAtlas are here to change that. They let you gather your stories, your images, and your emotions in a beautiful keepsake you can hold onto and share. It’s like a personal diary, but illustrated by your travels.
Creating your journal also extends the travel experience: reliving your photos, rediscovering details you’d forgotten, and bringing those moments back to life.
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A new step for visitors starting September 2025
Laos is modernizing its border entry procedures. From September 1, 2025, the Laos Immigration Police Department will pilot a new online arrival registration system for foreign passport holders.
This new procedure is similar to Thailand’s recent switch to a digital arrival card system (introduced in May 2025). Just like in Thailand, travelers heading to Laos will still need a valid visa—either an e-visa obtained online in advance or a visa on arrival (VOA) at eligible checkpoints—but they can now skip the paper immigration forms at the border.
TikTok is currently experimenting with a hotel booking feature directly integrated into its app, in partnership with a well-known specialized platform. American users can now search for and book accommodations without leaving TikTok. Meanwhile, content creators with over 1,000 followers can promote hotels and restaurants in the U.S. and earn commissions or vouchers for bookings. This test, limited to the U.S. market for now, aligns with the trend of social commerce. There’s no doubt this initiative will be closely watched by major players in the online travel industry.
Originally planned for an official opening on July 3, 2025, the Grand Egyptian Museum in Cairo, which has already been partially open since autumn 2024, has had its official inauguration pushed back to the end of the year. This decision, made due to growing tensions in the Middle East, was motivated by the desire to give the event the international dimension it deserves.
Spanning 500,000 m²—larger than the Louvre (which has 360,000 m² of total space, including 73,000 m² of exhibition areas)—the museum will house up to 100,000 artifacts, including the complete collection of Tutankhamun and a monumental statue of Ramses II.
It can already welcome 4,000 visitors per day with limited access, with a future capacity estimated at 13,000 per day once fully open.
It is with deep sadness that we share the news of the passing of François Boucher, the founder of VoyageForum.
We will remember his passion for travel, but most of all, the pride he took in this forum, which has become indispensable among travelers. While there may have been heated debates, we ask that you show respect for him.
François was still very active on the forum, especially in the technical development section. VoyageForum was his life’s work. He worked passionately to update the site and make up for the 4 years of closure due to the pandemic.
Today, VoyageForum has also lost its developer.
That’s why we’re reaching out to this community to continue François’s legacy. If there are any former or current developers among you who know PERL and would be willing to help, your support would be greatly appreciated.
According to a recent study, Bangkok ranks first among the top 100 global destinations for remote workers in 2025. The Thai capital stands out for its excellent value for money, solid infrastructure, and high satisfaction levels among digital nomads.
Dubai, London, Tokyo, and Nakhon Ratchasima (in Thailand) complete the top 5, each catering to different priorities (safety, connectivity, cultural vibrancy). The study also highlights the cost-of-living gaps between cities: from Weligama (Sri Lanka), very affordable, to New York, the most expensive.
Social media engagement and visitor return rates are also becoming key indicators for assessing a destination’s appeal to nomads.
We’re thrilled to share an exclusive offer from our partner Subocea for August:
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You’ve probably noticed it: the real travel gems no longer show up in search results. In today’s all-digital age, those local operators, small authentic accommodations, passionate guides, and committed local initiatives remain invisible. No flashy website, no ads, often not even an online presence.
Yet they exist—people who take care of their land, their culture, their community. Hidden in valleys, villages, forests. These are the ones who truly give meaning to travel, the kind you only discover through word of mouth... or among savvy travelers.
A collaborative project is starting to patiently catalog them, one by one. It’s called DirecTravel. Not very well-known yet—it’s just getting started—but already shared among independent travel enthusiasts. Here, no standardization or flashy interface: every address has been discovered on the ground, the old-fashioned way. Some have even been recognized by the Sustainable Travel Awards.
Their approach? Taking the time to listen, build connections, and support local initiatives that will never appear on Google’s first page.
If you’re looking for something beyond the usual recommendations, and if the idea of sharing genuine tips speaks to you, then this project might interest you. And maybe you, too, have a gem to share with them.
Travel bookings to the United States are seeing a significant drop in France for summer 2025, with over a 30% decrease in the spring and around -11% for summer departures.
Several reasons explain this disengagement:
an unfavorable exchange rate at the start of the year,
very high prices on the ground (accommodation, dining),
negative experiences with immigration,
as well as a political and social context perceived as off-putting (civil rights, safety, tense social climate).
Tourism professionals also note difficulties for Florida and some Southern states, while destinations like New York and Orlando are faring better.
The recent drop in the dollar and airfares could, however, encourage last-minute departures, and tourism stakeholders are betting on a gradual recovery starting this autumn, with major events planned for 2026 like the World Cup or the 250th anniversary of the United States.
This summer, your memories deserve more than just a corner of film!
For the summer season, our partner MyAtlas is offering you an exclusive deal: 10% off all travel journals to print with the code ETEVF25 😛
Perfect for preserving your photos, anecdotes, itineraries, and highlights, the MyAtlas journal turns every trip into a real keepsake book—personalized and ready to flip through anytime.
Whether you're off on an adventure or exploring just around the corner, now’s the perfect time to capture the essence of your getaways and relive them again and again.
Don’t let your best stories gather dust in your phone: print them, share them, and above all, treasure them 😉
This forum was closed for a long time after COVID, then due to its sale by the previous owner. Since 2022, there have been notable changes for Russia. It became possible to travel to Russia as a tourist again after COVID restrictions ended in summer 2022. But before that, in March 2022, the EU and member countries cut air links with Russia, as well as train lines. They also cut Russian banks off from the Euro-American banking network—meaning cards and wire transfers.
EU-based insurers stopped offering policies for Russia.
The Green Card for cars in Russia was also discontinued.
Then the EU abolished the simplified visa regime agreement with Russia.
All in all, a summary of the current practical aspects would be helpful.
I’ve been traveling to Russia regularly for about twenty years, and after the long COVID break, I resumed in autumn 2022.
Visa
The usual paper visa is much more expensive. On one hand, because the previous regime was scrapped, and on the other, because invitations for multi-entry visas are pricier. A single-entry 30-day visa costs 80 €. The multi-entry one is 240 €. To be sure you’ll get a 12-month multi-entry, it’s best to buy a telex invitation from the MID (Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs), though there are few resellers. Prices vary depending on the seller.
E-visas are now available for Schengen passport holders. A big simplification for trips up to 16 days within a 60-day validity period. You can apply from 40 days up to 5 days before your desired date. Issued in up to four days. The site is https://evisa.kdmid.ru/ Cost: 50 €. Processed through an Emirati bank (United Arab Emirates).
Medical Insurance
Medical insurance with repatriation is required to get a visa. So you’ll need to buy a policy. This brings up payment methods. If you’re already familiar with Russia and have a Russian bank account, you can pay with your Russian card. Otherwise, you’ll have to buy from a site that accepts payments via a Belarusian bank—which means your bank must work with Belarus—or go through https://goingrus.com/fr/insurance
Transport from the EU
Minibus (marshrutka) from Kirkenes (Norway) to Murmansk. Schedules are coordinated with flights from Oslo, which arrive between 11:00 and 12:00. They wait on the right as you exit the airport. Some are chartered by groups and leave directly, but may have space—ask the driver. Otherwise, two companies run the route, with a stop in town at the corner of the Scandic, where they depart around 14:00 or 15:00. Payment in cash (NOK or RUB) to the driver. Main operator: https://borodinbus.com
Bus from Tallinn (Estonia) to St. Petersburg. The border crossing is on the Narva River. The Russian road checkpoint has been closed since January 2024 for construction expected to last 2.5 years, so reopening is possible in summer 2026. In the meantime, it’s a two-bus journey: Tallinn-Narva, then walk across the bridge between the Estonian and Russian checkpoints at Ivangorod, followed by another bus. Several companies: Luxexpress, Ecolines, Baltic Shuttle, Anniston, СКСавто.
Bus from Riga to Pskov or St. Petersburg (final destination). Departs from Riga’s bus station (behind the train station) daily between 18:00 and 19:00. Arrives in Pskov between 01:00 and 02:00 (Russian time). Company: СКСавто. There’s another bus around 21:00 with Ecolines, but it’s longer, with a long stop at the border.
Bus from Gdańsk to Kaliningrad. Several buses per day. From the PKS bus station, behind Gdańsk’s central station, on the other side of the boulevard. From Kaliningrad, a 1-hour flight to St. Petersburg costs around 5000 RUB.
Basically, unless you’re planning to go to Murmansk and the Kola Peninsula—and possibly from Murmansk, flights to Arkhangelsk, then Nenetsia (Naryan-Mar), etc.—the three main crossing points with airports are Tallinn, Riga, and Gdańsk.
The Gdańsk-Kaliningrad bus is the fastest, and the ticket to St. Petersburg is very reasonable.
The Narva-Ivangorod route is the riskiest in terms of potential queues and crossing time. Holiday periods are especially risky. Last mid-June, I took a 14:00 bus from Tallinn. I’d bought a single-berth compartment on the Grand Express St. Petersburg-Moscow train, leaving at 23:00, with the idea of a good night’s rest before a Moscow-Magadan flight. A 7-hour queue at the border meant I arrived at St. Petersburg’s bus station at 23:00—missed the train, had to book a room, and spent time finding a reasonably priced flight to Moscow the next day for the same airport as my Magadan flight.
The Riga-Pskov route is a bit long but relaxed. If you get off in Pskov, you can still get decent sleep between 02:00 and 12:00. The Oktyabrskaya Hotel is cheap. I’ve also stopped in Izborsk. You ask the driver when boarding in Riga. The stop is on the federal highway—cross the road, and the main inn is 200m away. You can explore the medieval site the next morning before taking a bus to Pskov (30 km).
From Pskov, there are fast regional Lastochka trains—three or four per day—to St. Petersburg, taking 3.5 hours. Very comfortable and affordable.
Also, two daily flights with Azimuth to Moscow-Vnukovo from 5000 RUB. A one-hour flight. It’s a section of Pskov’s military airfield, just a few kilometers from the city center.
Money
Cash. The EU issued a nonsensical decree: a ban on importing EU currency (euros, zloty, kroner, forints, etc.) except for personal travel use. This doesn’t make sense because as a citizen of a eurozone country, you *have* to have euros—cash or electronic (card). You can’t travel without them. The stipulation about a limit for personal use is absurd because personal use can mean anything from a hostel bed to a luxury hotel room, plus transport (flight tickets, train tickets in Russia), restaurants, etc. Estonian customs officers ask about this at the border when leaving. They ask in Estonian, then Russian, then English, depending. Since I cross with a French passport, I just say, "Sorry, I don’t understand," no matter what. Then they ask with a questioning look, "Euro?" and I shake my head. I haven’t been searched, but they do ask to glance in your bag. Russians with large suitcases often get checked.
Cards and phone apps: if you have a Russian bank account.
Telephony and Internet
Roaming works but is pricey. Okay for calls and SMS, but very expensive for data. In that case, use an e-SIM with your home carrier if your phone supports it. Otherwise, look into prepaid rechargeable SIMs in Russia for data only—like SIM cards for mobile modems.
Russian SIM: Since this year (2025), as of March, it’s mandatory to be registered in the EBS (Unified Biometric System) to buy a SIM card. For a non-resident foreigner, this means first registering for a SNILS at an MFC (Multifunctional Center)—also called "My Documents." The SNILS is the pension center, which doesn’t require residency. After getting your SNILS number and certificate, you register on the public services portal, Gosuslugi. Finally, you register in the EBS system (voice sample—you read numbers—and a biometric facial photo).
Personal Car
The Green Card no longer covers Russia, and neither do EU-based insurers. But third-party liability insurance (OSAGO) is mandatory. Since the closure of the Russian checkpoint at Ivangorod for construction and the Finnish border closure, the routes are from Kirkenes in Norway, the Estonia-Pskov route, and—since the Belarus-Russia joint visa this year—the Belarus route, e.g., Poland-Terespol-Brest or Lithuania-Belarus.
No OSAGO sales if you cross via Kirkenes. I didn’t see any at Shumilkino, the Russian checkpoint after Estonia toward Pskov. If you have a Russian card, you can buy online, of course. Otherwise, pay in cash on-site at certain company offices (specific forms aren’t available at all agencies) or online by paying to a third-party account outside Russia—with added fees.
Spotlight on the "What A Trip Festival" in Montpellier
From September 22 to 28, 2025, head to Montpellier for the What A Trip Festival, the must-attend event for travel and adventure in images 😉
This event draws around 40,000 passionate visitors who come to (re)discover the world through documentary film screenings, followed by meet-ups, conferences, and workshops.
The "travel village" hosts a dedicated fair: exhibitor booths, a travel bookstore, photo exhibitions, food trucks, and free concerts set the pace.
The "Les rencontres voyageurs" booth will be there to offer you: a friendly atmosphere, conferences, masterclasses, fun games, and even interviews!
From December 9th to 12th, experience a winter getaway in the heart of the Czech capital, under the magical lights of the Christmas markets.
Enjoy an all-inclusive stay, blending cultural discoveries and festive holiday vibes with Hasamélis & MyAtlas.
Explore Prague’s treasures: Old Town Square, the castle, and the Town Hall Tower for breathtaking views…
This guided tour also takes you to exclusive, privately booked venues: Strahov Monastery, Estates Theatre, Municipal House… A rich cultural program in a cozy, festive atmosphere.
Calling all adventure and off-road enthusiasts: the must-attend event of the year is just around the corner!
From August 26 to 30 in Valloire, don’t miss THE OFF-ROAD SHOW, the premier event dedicated to expeditions, overlanding, and motorized exploration.
4x4s, trucks, motorcycles, SSVs, gear, travel, test drives, meet-ups... Over 180 exhibitors and the 4th edition of the Rencontres Voyageurs, a 1,000 m² space hosted by Campers Lab and MyAtlas.
On the program: Activities, talks, interviews, masterclasses...
One motto: get inspired, connect, explore... in the heart of the Alps.
At the Seto forum (Association of Travel Agents), it was highlighted that, despite an uncertain geopolitical context, summer bookings are showing a slight increase (+1.4% overall as of the end of April), with +1.6% on medium-haul and +0.6% on long-haul flights. This growth is supported by an expected revenue increase of +2.9% and an average basket rise of +3.2%.
In terms of destinations, the Greek islands remain at the top despite a slight decline of -1%, the Balearic Islands are gaining ground (+2%), and Tunisia stands out with strong growth (+13%) thanks to its excellent value for money. For long-haul, Mauritius continues to dominate (+9%), while the United States is experiencing a downturn (-14%), behind Indonesia (-6%) and ahead of the Dominican Republic (+4%). Finally, French Polynesia (+16%) and Vietnam (+41%) are emerging as booming destinations.
"Les rencontres voyageurs" is a must-attend event for all travel enthusiasts, at the heart of France’s most beautiful gatherings.
Whether you're a seasoned traveler or a beginner looking for your first adventures, these meet-ups aim to bring people together, inspire, and share knowledge.
They offer a unique opportunity to chat with inspiring travelers, discover their authentic stories, their favorite spots around the world, and their practical tips for traveling peacefully and enrichingly 😉
"Les rencontres voyageurs" also feature conferences and masterclasses led by industry experts, covering a variety of topics such as responsible travel, content creation, and optimizing itineraries.
These sessions, both practical and inspiring, are designed to expand your knowledge and fuel your projects. On top of that, there are fun and educational activities, including the famous traveler quiz, encouraging exchanges and conviviality. Finally, visitors can explore an exhibition of travel vehicles, vans, 4x4s, nomadic equipment, and chat with professionals about van conversions, mobility, and innovations dedicated to vanlife.
A complete, immersive experience that’s all about discovery.
VoyageForum needs you more than ever! To continue making it the biggest space for exchange, inspiration, and sharing, we want to better understand your desires and expectations.
Take a few moments to answer our survey and let’s build the future of VoyageForum together!
Big traveler survey! We want to know everything! 🌍
Dreaming of your next trip already? So are we, but to better understand the desires and habits of French travelers, we need your help to later offer the best tips, good deals, trips, and more.
It’s a short form (promise, it only takes a few minutes).
And... there might just be a 50 € gift voucher up for grabs for one of the participants. Just like that, to thank you for taking part✨
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The cruise sector has seen a remarkable rebound since the pandemic, with 2024 attendance 20% higher than in 2019—outpacing air traffic growth, which was limited to 10%.
This performance is driven by an early recovery in the U.S. starting in 2021, competitive pricing, and enhanced onboard offerings. Cruise companies have invested in innovation, with a notable increase in patents related to passenger health (14%) and onboard services (50%).
These efforts have attracted a younger clientele, with millennials now making up 34% of passengers. This recovery model could inspire the airline industry to accelerate its own rebound.